‘The Korean model’

At various times, administration officials and their allies have offered a variety of historical comparisons for the war in Iraq. To hear war supporters tell it, the conflict is like the Revolutionary War, WWI, the U.S. Civil War, the Spanish Civil War, and World War II.

Today, the White House has a new historical model in mind.

President George W. Bush would like to see a lengthy U.S. troop presence in Iraq like the one in South Korea to provide stability but not in a frontline combat role, the White House said on Wednesday.

The United States has had thousands of U.S. troops in South Korea to guard against a North Korean invasion for 50 years. […]

White House spokesman Tony Snow said Bush would like to see a U.S. role in Iraq ultimately similar to that in South Korea.

“The Korean model is one in which the United States provides a security presence, but you’ve had the development of a successful democracy in South Korea over a period of years, and, therefore, the United States is there as a force of stability,” Snow told reporters.

How wrong is this? Josh Marshall counts the ways.

Let’s run through a few differences. First, Korea is an ethnically and cultural homogenous state. Iraq, not a culturally or ethnically homogenous state. And needless to say, that has been a point of some real difficulty. Second, Korea a democracy? Well, yes, for about fifteen years. Without going into all details, South Korea was a military dictatorship for most of the Cold War.

A deeper acquaintance with the last half century of Korean history would suggest that a) a fifty year occupation, b) lack of democracy and c) a hostile neighbor were deeply intertwined. Remove B or C and you probably don’t have A, certainly no A if you lose both B and C.

The more telling dissimilarity is the distinction between frontline troops and troops for stability. At least notionally (and largely this was true) US troops have been in South Korea to ward off an invasion from the North. US troops aren’t in Iraq to ward off any invasion. Invasion from who? Saudi Arabia? Syria.

No, US troops are in Iraq for domestic security, in so many words, to protect it from itself, or to ensure the continued existence of an elected, pro-US government.

The Bush gang told the nation that the war in Iraq would be brief. Then they said, repeatedly, that we are “turning the corner.” Then they said there would be a short-term “surge.”

Now they envision a scenario in which U.S. troops are in Iraq, refereeing a bloody internal conflict, for several decades.

The politics of this matters, as well. Congressional Dems have been saying for quite some time that Bush not only wants a blank check, but that he also wants an open-ended presence in Iraq, with no end in sight.

As of this morning, the official White House response to this, apparently, is, “Yep.”

“…Bush would like to see a lengthy U.S. troop presence in Iraq…”

Well I hope he’s happy! I know the Republican party might be less happy about it, especially around November 2008.

In other news, AIPAC would like to thank the US congress for not impeaching the biggest criminal to ever inhabit the Whitehouse. Their continued support is very appreciated.

  • First, I really cannot believe BushCo reached for this analogy. Even were it a better fit, is this really the spin they want? “We think Iraq is just like a conflict that has required the presence of US troops for 50 years!”

    Second, it is hard to see how they make the Korea Comparison while rejecting out of hand the Biden/Serbia solution of separate semi-autonomous ethnic states in a loose federal arrangement. Were BushCo to actually consider the 3-state solution, having “DMZ’s” and foriegn troops protecting the ethnically-charged borders would make sense.

    The politics of this would be comically bad were it not so serious a matter. Can you imagine if BushCo had been remotely honest with the American public in late 2002 and said “We are planning to invade Iraq not because they have WMD or are an immediate threat to us, but because Saddam Hussein is a bad man – nevermind our past support – the world will be a safer place without him. The downside is that his removal will leave Iraq in sectarian chaos and all told it will cost us thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars to try and stabilize the country. In the end, I anticipate a Kroea-like solution where we have several thousand peacekeeping troops there potentially for 20-30 years. I trust the American public will support me in this.”

    Maybe, just maybe, the public would have gotten off their asses and into the process for that one.

  • When cold war propaganda called Uncle Sam a colonial imperialist war monger I laughed, but now I wonder.

    The Korea plan sounds like an old school colonial imperial occupation to me.

  • A permanent U.S. presence in Iraq has always been the plan. And, lest we forget, itreally is all about the oil.

  • Do you want U.S. troops in iraq for the next 50 years? If so vote repulican!
    I’d start running these kind of adds today!

  • Key point, surely: S Koreans were – and still are – happy for us to be there. Rackies – not so much.

    Why? Well, for one thing, we didn’t lie our way onto their terrain. And for another, we didn’t torture people in captivity.

  • To hear war supporters tell it, the conflict is like the Revolutionary War, WWI, the U.S. Civil War, the Spanish Civil War, and World War II.

    and now Korea. Well, at least they’re getting closer….next stop, Viet Nam.

  • Smiley & Ed pretty well covered it . . .

    The South Koreans, both government and the man in the street, wanted us there.
    How about we’uns start pushing for an Iraqi plebescite: “Should the American military stay in our country or should they leave by a week from Tuesday?” Let the purple fingers decide.

  • Nice. Combine this with the “lily pad” testimony the other day by Pace, and I mean, come on. And by the way….where’s that all important addition to the bureaucratic chain, the new Hadley saving “War Czar” anyway?

  • Exactly what the authors of the PNAC have been after all along…A Good Foothold In the Middle East. Bush has never had any intention of ever leaving and now he is slowly making that line public. The base we are building in Iraq is proof of our intention to stay permanently. Bush is seeing to it that it will be extremely difficult to leave Iraq without the country collapsing. He is trying to make sure that Iraq stays dependent on us like an addict to his dealer. For Iraq’s “political process”, or their “elected government” to continue our forces or are US trained Iraq forces will be needed until the entire country becomes Iraqi-American.

    At least 50yrs giving us the chance to infiltrate the entire ME. These PNAC geniuses completely overlook the obvious continuous loss of life this plan entails. For example: Imagine China establishing bases in America and banning Christianity.
    Need I say more. PNAC refuses to recognize the influence of religion on the politics of the ME. This was not an issue in Korea. North and South Koreans were still all Koreans, not Sunni, Shiia, Kurd, Arab, Muslim, Persian, Iranian etc., and Bush Cronies will never get this or that military might does not make right.
    Please impeach these guys before they can do more damage

  • So Bushie wants to keep our troops in the range of Iran’s weapons? That should give Iran some much needed leverage in the future.

  • Knowing a little bit of US history, I’ve always thought the closest example was the Philippine-American War.

    A religious president annexing a strategically valuable country against the will of it’s people. Three years of fighting to defeat the Filipino army, followed by a DECADE of pacification, including concentration camps, torture, death squads, scorched earth campaigns, massive starvation and death of the civilian population to finally consolidate American rule.

    It can be done, but are we willing to pay this cost?

  • Bush is looking like he wants to apply the Korean model to the unitary presidency after North Korea and his attempts to act like the Great Leader.

  • its yet another example of the US spilling its blood for a country who hates as long as big business has a strategic interest then our govt is all to happy to spill the innocent blood of its own citizens or any humans on the planet for that matter.

  • And to take the use of the Korea model to it’s logical conclusion, by 2056 someone in the region will have nukes.

    This guy never ceases to amaze.

    US troops have been in South Korea to ward off an invasion from the North. US troops aren’t in Iraq to ward off any invasion. Invasion from who? Saudi Arabia? Syria.

    Could it be Shrubicide is just having another “Sunni? Shia? Moment”? Perhaps if someone explained to the Boy King that North Korea and South Korea are two distinct countries…

  • What? This won’t work?

    Come on, it worked for the Israelis when they occupied southern Lebanon during the 80s and 90s, right?

  • Maybe some actual South Koreans could weigh in on this. I’d be really interested in what they have to say on the matter.

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