The misplaced hysterics over YouTube debate questions

Early on at Wednesday night’s CNN debate for Republican presidential candidates, a young woman in Huntsville, Ala., asked the field what they would do “to repair the image of America in the eyes of the Muslim world?” Given the current of state of international diplomacy, it seemed like a reasonable question.

But last night, far-right activists discovered that the woman who asked the question was, at some point in the past, an intern for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Therefore, conservatives now argue, the question was a “plant,” and evidence of negligence and carelessness on the part of CNN.

I realize that every few weeks, the right needs to find something new to get hysterical about, but all of this is painfully silly. Conservatives have worked themselves into high dudgeon since late Wednesday night, but I can’t quite figure out why they’re so apoplectic.

Apparently, some of the selected YouTube clips aired during the debate came from people who are Democrats. The retired general who asked about DADT supports Hillary. A young woman who asked about product-safety works for a union. A young man who asked about farm subsidies once worked as an intern for a Democratic congresswoman. All of these constitute, in the minds of a wide variety of right-wing activists, “Democratic plants” at a Republican debate.

Let’s take a deep breath here. Say, hypothetically, we here at The Carpetbagger Report decided to host a presidential forum, and I invited readers to submit questions for the candidates. Once I had a complete list, I’d go through them and pick the ones that seemed interesting, provocative, policy-oriented, relevant, etc. The goal would be to produce a spirited, though-provoking discussion.

Would I do background checks to see where the questioners interned years ago? Probably not, because it doesn’t matter. Whether questions came from candidates’ harshest critics or their own family members is largely irrelevant — the point is to consider the questions themselves on the merit.

That’s what CNN did. Republicans are, in response, demanding that heads should roll.

The LA Times went back and looked at some of the questions used at the Dems’ YouTube debate four months ago, and found “at least two of the citizen-interrogators had clear GOP leanings.” Guess what? That doesn’t matter either. Republicans asking questions of Dems; Dems asking questions of Republicans — it’s all just public discourse.

Indeed, you’ll notice that it didn’t occur to progressive blogs to do background checks on the folks who submitted questions to Dems at the last YouTube debate — in large part because we don’t care. The important part of the debate were the answers, not where the questioners interned years ago.

Indeed, Malkin herself conceded on Wednesday that “the questions were almost all coherent and well-framed.” But now that she knows more about the backgrounds of those who asked them, the questions are an outrage?

Seriously?

The right is extraordinarily good at creating manufactured outrages based on nothing but misplaced fury, but this latest “scandal” is particularly inane.

The poor folks at Red State have gone completely around the bend, issuing a list of demands:

1) Republican candidates for President should boycott CNN.

2) Republican viewers should boycott CNN until they fire Sam Feist, their political director; and David Bohrman, Senior Vice President and Executive Producer of the debate.

3) One or more of the Republican candidates should demand a do over wherein we can have a substantive debate about substantive issues that exclude CNN’s agenda, which is clearly out of touch with the Republican party, and the drivel we saw from YouTube.

I’m at a loss to understand how so many conservatives could complain so bitterly about such nonsense. CNN hosted a debate, Americans submitted fair questions, candidates answered them. So what, exactly, is the problem? That CNN didn’t impose ideological tests on voters with inquiries?

Even by the right’s embarrassingly low standards, this is just dumb.

Can we just start invoking images of Daffy Duck in high dudgeon (or even Donald) when the fury is upon ’em?

At some point ridicule will have to have an effect……won’t it?

I can dream, can’t I?

  • Maybe if the GOP candidates could coherently answer a real question, the right wouldn’t get so hysterical every time somebody asks one.

  • If you take the Bush administration attitude (i.e. What Would Rove Do) to its ultimate conclusion, this is where you end up. Republicans and Democrats not talking to each other.

    It’s hideous – instead of creating an idealized American-style democracy in Iraq, they’re trying to recreate the ethnic tensions of Iraq over here.

    Onward, ever backwards.

  • I think the problem is that these lame ass clowns have spent so much of the last 15 years feigning outrage that they are incapable of doing otherwise now. Remember when you were a kid and made faces, your mother told you to stop or it would stay that way…….

  • I think that in general no one should allow CNN to hold debates of any kind. They are just embarrassing. It was stupid enough on the last Democratic debate, where they let the viewer get to see that all-important opening photo op, but then they did it again with the YouTube GOP one. As the Nevada crowd was allowed to boo and make noise during the Democratic debate, the same thing happened in Florida. CNN shouldn’t have gone overboard screening the YouTube questioners: They should have spent some time screening the audiences and telling them how to behave respectfully.

  • So, the poor dear candidates won’t have to answer a question from a Democrat if elected? (Heaven help us!)
    For being praised for how tough they are they sure seem to need to be treated like hothouse plants.

    Georgy Porgy puddin’ and pie …

  • Two things.

    First of all, 70% of the country are now ‘Democratic Plants’. And if you do enough research on people, you will find they are all merely 3 degrees of separation away from the Kucinich Campaign.

    Second of all, Grover Norquist? I mean holy crap, friggin’ GROVER NORQUIST????!!! That’s where CNN should apologize, for giving airtime to a man who should be in jail with his buddies Abramoff & his lawyer Safavian.

  • Edward Copeland @5,

    Great point. The audience behaved as if it was at a football game, not a civic event. One of the most unappealing aspects of our recent civic discourse is that way it encourages people to “choose sides” and root for your own team as if it was a team – or a tribe. Not a great thing if you’re hoping for intelligent analysis of the issues.

  • “So what, exactly, is the problem?” It isn’t the questions. It isn’t the media. We need a whole new slate of Repbulican candidates!!!!!!!!!

  • Actually, I kinda like the thought of only bonafide republifucks being allowed to ask the questions…

    That would just showcase what a bunch of bigotted white-supremacist religious nutcases the party represents!

  • The republican world view depends on a liberal media out to get them. It is a known fact that facts have a liberal bias as Colbert said. There is nothing a MSM outlet can due to make the conservatives happy. They should stop trying.

  • A little illustration of why the whining about who asks the question is beside the point:

    “Your Honor, I object! That question is being asked by someone who has an agenda that may be contrary to the interests of my candidate, er, client!”

    “Objection overruled. Please answer the question.”

    Actually, not even a bad lawyer would do something so dim as try and base an objection on something that’s simply an attempt to lamely discredit the question.

  • The veneer of tuffness and authority that RepubCo wraps itself in is actually too thin to be called a veneer. It’s a puff of smoke on a windy day. How do they get away with being the hard ass party? They’re the biggest f’n crybabies on the planet. If they can’t have their bubble they just won’t play and they’ll loudly and proudly hate whoever took their bubble away.

    The average two year old has more guts than your average whining RepubCo wuss.

  • Every time you read Red State, remember that it’s run by a gaggle of home-schooled twenty-nothings whose existence proves the catastrophe of home schooling. I well remember one of the comments from one of the arrogant little brownshirts who monitor the discussion, telling people to “line up and don’t make waves or you’ll draw attention to yourself and we’ll ban you.”

    What most of them need is a good spanking, but it would probably get them off.

  • You know, I was in the minority yesterday when I said CNN should have disclosed that Kerr (the gay general) was campaigning for Hillary. I thought they should have.

    After reading the right’s reaction to others who asked questions — with them digging into the backgrounds (and knowing Malkin, probably the trash) of every single questioner — I now admit I was wrong and get your all’s points.

    These people want nothing but ideological purity, and any little thing that dares to intrude upon their carefully constructed reality is attacked relentlessly. No matter how good the question, how relevant the topic, or how important it is for the public to know a candidate’s position, these people will find a way to dogpile it if it didn’t come from one of their own.

    They really do want a world in which people never, ever disagree with them, don’t they?

  • These hysterical Republicans in reality believe in dictatorship for America. Aren’t the Republican candidates able to handle any question posed by an American citizen? Can Rudy, Mitt, and Huck walk and chew gum at the same time?

    Doesn’t every American have the right to ask questions about the vision and policies for country? There weren’t any “stupid questions” at the CNN debate. If there were any “stupid questions” at the debate, wouldn’t the questioner end up looking stupid!

  • It’s the tribal mindset. Questioners from outside of the tribe are a priori enemies. The assumption is so deeply ingrained they don’t even recognize it.

    Demonization of The Other is, eventually, a path to political oblivion in the modern context. The GOP is going down this cycle, and may be a good while before they manage to get back up.

  • It’s definitely a far cry from having someone ask Hillary if she prefers diamonds or pearls, which was the previous complaint against CNN.

  • Wingnuts get mad often because it is the easiest response to incovenient data. This is because they live in their own reality. When the world does not bend to their view point you can either get really pissed off or you can examine why your reality and the reality based community diverge. But this would be hard and require introspection.

    I seem to remember the wingnuts wanting the editorial staff of the New York TImes publically executed sometime ago. Anybody remember what that was all about? Neither does the run of the mill wingnut, he moved on to later and greater outrages.

  • As I mentioned previously, I listen to right-wing talk radio. Yesterday evening the main topic was the debate and about the “plants” by the Democrats. The right-wing rhetoric was sooo hateful, that I actually felt sorry for CNN. It seems CNN can’t win no matter what they do. They can’t please the Dems and they can’t please the right-wingers.

    Maybe for the next debate, if CNN has one, they could choose half of the questions from a well known conservative organization and half of the questions from a liberal organization. Of course, that is no guaranty that would please anyone, but at least both sides could say they were represented.

    However, I know there is no perfect solution. Bush and his people have polarized this country to such an extent that it will take a long time before any sense of decency can be restored.

  • Hell, I’d love to see a Democratic debate in which only loyal Republicans could ask the questions. They might learn something, finally.

    Good for Mark D. #17, seeing the light. Takes guts to do that.

    This is beyond comprehension. Who the hell cares where the questions come from? As CB says, they should be judged on their merit, irrespective of their source.

    And I’m afraid JimBob # 19 is right – fanatical, political tribalism taking root in America.

  • To paraphrase FauxNoise: If the Republican candidates (and their screetching supporters) cannot handle simple and straightforward questions from folks with Dem-leanings, how can we expect them to handle al qaeda and Osaba bin missing-for-a-long-time-now?

  • “They really do want a world in which people never, ever disagree with them, don’t they?”

    Not quite. They want a world where people never, ever disagree with them, where they make all the rules (and all the money), and where they get to torture anyone who ever disagrees with them in the slightest or not follow one of their rules. They are sort of like the self-proclaimed morality police in Egypt, but without any understanding of what morality is.

  • This is standard, textbook Republican tactics. If you can’t or don’t want to answer the question (or if you’d like to divert attention from your inability to answer), attack the messenger. It is ad hominem on steroids.

    How long before Malkin posts the address of each questioner?

  • Notwithstanding the fact that Republicans are hyperbolic idiots, this is a democratic republic. Every citizen has a right and the duty to ask pertinent questions of all prospective candidates.

    Translation: wingnuts are pussies.

  • They are sort of like the self-proclaimed morality police in Egypt, but without any understanding of what morality is.
    –bubba

    That was an amazingly spot-on analogy. Nicely done.

    I think a lot of this hysteria over the debate — and the vapors they get on a host of other issues — has to do with the fact the current GOP and their sycophantic supporters care about one thing, and one thing only: winning. Period. End of discussion.

    As the past seven years have shown, they don’t give a damn about policy, doing what Americans want them to, having honest debate, or finding real solutions to real problems.

    All they concern themselves with is slandering their opponents (see: Max Cleeland), obstructing legislation that help real people instead of companies and donors (see: every bill this session), finding ways to keep wedge issues alive without ever really planning to “fix” them (see: abortion and gay marriage), and turning even the most mundane and pointless issue into a national crisis (see: Terry Schaivo).

    Whatever they think will get them more votes, they’ll do it.

    Whatever happens after that — you know, actually governing — never enters their minds.

    I have no idea if jimBOB’s prediction of the GOP’s demise is true or not, but for the best of the country, it better be, because we as a nation can’t take much more of the “win at all costs!” mindset these idiots posses. There’s simply too much other stuff falling through the cracks.

  • Seven years of Bush planted softballs has them spoiled.
    I don’t blame them for getting pissed, I mean how can they actual expect an intelligent answer to a question not coming from a complete starry-eyed lunatic ?

  • The funny thing is that I would think that the Republican candidates would WANT to get their questions from the most liberal people out there. If they are trying to talk with conservative voters, these questions should be the ones that they slam out of the park each and every time.

  • I think part of the issue is that conservatives are authoritarians, which means that a person’s credentials are far more important than what the person does. And that’s why they refuse to acknowledge anything that comes from a tainted source, because they lack any real judgment and can only determine the merits of an idea based upon who said it.

    For them, ad hominem is not only a reliable argument, it’s the crux of everything they understand. The fact that they attack their opponents personally is a side-effect of the disease, not the main point. They don’t really understand any other way of comprehending reality and assume we’re doing the same thing.

  • If the candidates had answered the questions intelligently, if the crowd had not been a bunch of yahoos, the Right Wing Blogs would be trumpeting just how well they handled the questions. If some questions were found to be from people they might dislike (a large list), they’d just state proudly how well they faced the liberals, the enemy, etc.

    The case is that the debate was a humilating disaster of a bizarre audience, inability to answer questions, and almost nothing on issues like our rather unstable economy or larger global issues.

    The Republican crowd and candidates looked like idiots. So instead of blaming them for being idiots, the Republican Blogoverse looks for someone else to blame.

    Because Republicans are never wrong.

  • I have been unable to understand the outrage and hysterics over this whole thing, because as so many have also stated, it’s the question – and the answers that follow – that matter.

    None of this would be happening if, instead of the voter asking the question, the Anderson Cooper had asked all of them, without identifying where the question came from – and that just proves the point.

    Republicans seem to be very territorial about all of this – as if it is up to them to decide who can and cannot ask questions of “their” candidates. As if we have no right to ask “the other party” anything that might be of concern to us. You would think that they would want their candidates to appeal to ALL voters, but apparently not.

    It’s really maddening. I listened to a discussion on POTUS 08 about it last night and found myself screaming at the radio, and then firing off an e-mail to them when I got home. I got a nice response, but one of the points made was that there is a difference between a citizen and a citizen-activist, and the audience should have been informed. In my mind, every person who votes is an activist, and if the question was valid and rational enough to have been selected from thousands that were submitted, it should be obvious that the question could stand alone.

    I think this is just another case of allowing something irrelevant to distract from the real issues.

  • Bear in mind that for too many “conservatives,” the enemy is, and has always been, liberals, progressives, and Democrats. To accept that they too have a right to question authority, would be a challenge to the demonization of them that has been part and parcel of the GOP’s strategy, i.e. wedge issues. The slightest humanization of their “enemies” simply can’t be allowed…

  • It’s a conspiracy!

    The issues that real Americans care about have a well-known liberal bias.

  • Let me get this straight — there are Republican questions; and there are Democratic questions and never the two shall meet?

    I watched the debates and none of the questions had a liberal bias. They were some decent questions delivered in mostly a straightforward, if not softball, style. The candidates were not challenged or grilled — just asked questions that are on Americans’ minds.

    This outrage proves what I’ve suspected for some time now — the right is only concerned about the interests of the top “tier” (i.e., corporations, wealthy, oil barons, etc). How dare you little people ask me anything! We don’t need your stinkin’ questions….

  • Who do these people think they are? Someone should remind them that “EVERYBODY” was made Person of the Year last year. Not just Republicans. How irresponsible would it be for CNN to say they are having a public debate, invite questions from the public, and then say only the Republican public? Their view is so antithetical to democracy it boggles the mind that some of the good citizens of the country still follow them.

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