The not-pending Republican collapse

Guest Post by Morbo

The New Hampshire primary results have certainly shaken things up. I can’t say that’s a bad thing. I really didn’t want the Democratic contest to be over with by Groundhog Day. Call me crazy, but I was hoping to hear from the residents of more than two states before we call it a day.

But here’s one thing that hasn’t changed: Some progressives remain guilty of being overconfident. It is the curse of our species. I remember talking to Democrats on the eve of the 2004 election who were busy planning their John Kerry victory parties.

We’re doing it again. I keep seeing claims in print and on the web that not only is the 2008 presidential election a lock for the Democrats but the Republican Party is on the verge of collapse. All of their candidates have problems and certain factions won’t vote for certain candidates and blah, blah, blah.

Oddly enough, even some conservatives are parroting this line. Recently, Michael Tomasky, editor of the Manchester (U.K.) Guardian’s website wrote:

That the “conservative base” is dissatisfied with the GOP field is probably the single most common observation of this presidential campaign season. The second most common observation is probably that the Republican candidate, whoever it turns out to be, is doomed to defeat. National Review ran a recent cover story positing not only that the GOP is likely to lose the presidency in 2008, but that the loss may mark the beginning of a long period of wandering in the wilderness as the party gropes to redefine itself after George W. Bush’s calamitous tenure.

The collapse of the GOP is a common liberal fantasy — and I’m convinced some right-wingers are egging it on just to make us overconfident. Let’s not fall for it. The Republicans aren’t going anywhere. And they certainly have a decent shot at retaining the White House this year.

I know John McCain is all the rage this week, but let’s look at how a candidate who is perceived to be even weaker could win — Mike Huckabee. Let’s say he rebounds on Feb. 5 and is nominated by the Republican Party. Progressives rejoice, right? He’s ignorant on foreign policy, denies modern science and is a religious extremist. Plus, other elements in the Republican Party don’t like him and will do him in. That’s the liberal fantasy.

Here’s the reality: None of that has to count against him. Yes, Huckabee is ignorant on foreign policy. To that the average American says, “So what?” Can you name a president worse on this question than George W. Bush? Foreign policy issues rarely drive a presidential campaign. They ought to, but the fact is they don’t. One would think they would this year of all years — but polls show Iraq fading as an issue as violence there drops. (So typical of us!)

You say Huckabee’s too stupid to be elected? Again, please take a look at the current occupant of the White House. Yes, Huckabee rejects evolution. So do more than half of all Americans.

But Huckabee’s a religious fanatic, right? Sure, to you and me. Most Americans won’t see him that way or won’t care. Americans endorse the separation of church and state in principle. Practice is another matter. Most people simply aren’t alarmed by government-sponsored religious displays, prayer in public schools or before government meetings, candidates that drone on endlessly about Jesus and so on. Americans ought to be alarmed about this stuff, but they’re not.

Stop fantasizing that establishment Republicans will do in Huckabee. Despite its repellant policies, the modern GOP has great party discipline. It’s the one thing I admire about them. The Republican Party is not about forming circular firing squads. Sure, the factions snipe and pick at one another during the primary season, but when all is said and done, they will coalesce around their nominee. Huckabee will bow before Grover Norquist, kiss his foot and sign some type of “no new taxes” pledge. The tax hating, “deregulate-or-die” types will climb aboard and turn on the money faucet. (As the Carpetbagger pointed out this week, the right’s “Huckabee Panic” is already starting to fade. Meanwhile, there’s already talk in progressive circles about refusing to support Hillary Clinton if she knocks out Barack Obama or vice versa. Real smart. Yep, we’ll just let a Republican replace Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens — who, as I keep reminding anyone with ears, will turn eighty-friggin’-eight years old on April 20.)

Huckabee has his charms. I’ve heard him speak, and he’s very good. He’s funny, poised and relaxed. He comes across as an “everyman.” His back story is appealing. Like Bill Clinton, he grew up in strained circumstances and made good. Huckabee used to be overweight but managed to shed 110 pounds. He’s not a fuddy-duddy Baptist. He plays the bass guitar in a rock band! He also has the alarming ability to appear to be moderate.

Remember, a disturbing number of voters in this country make their decision not on who’s best qualified but on which candidate seems nicer and more fun, the kind of person you’d like to have a beer or talk about fishing with. If mastery of policy mattered, the Democrats would have won the last two elections without breaking a sweat.

Just to be clear, I can’t stand Huckabee. He’s woefully inexperienced and completely unqualified to be president. And yes, he really is a religious fanatic. The thought of Huckabee naming Supreme Court justices keeps me awake at night. It annoys me to no end that many Americans will make their decision on personality and not positions — but that’s what they do.

If Huckabee gets the nod, many Americans will be meeting him for the first time because, believe it or not, most people in this country have not been glued to political blogs following every twist and turn of the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary for the past five months. I love you all, but we’re wonks and eat this stuff up; most other folks are talking about Brittney Spears’ kid sister getting pregnant.

These folks are not reading The New York Times or the Daily Kos. They are (maybe) reading the Daily Dispatch-Gazette-Journal-News-Leader-Bulletin-Herald-Tribune or whatever is published in their town, which runs the political news in the form of wire copy that may or may not be above the fold. More likely, they aren’t reading any news at all, and they aren’t tuned in to CNN or even the Fox News Channel every day.

Finally, you have not even begun to see what the Republican smear machine will do to the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is. Recently, there has been some speculation that the Voldemorts of the GOP might be afraid to come after Obama since he’s African American. Please. This is a party that did not hesitate to smear a wheelchair-bound hero of the Vietnam War as soft on terrorism. These people are evil. Their only goal is to win. They will do, say and spend whatever it takes to make that happen. Do you ever wonder why Republican political attacks never seem to hit bottom? Do you marvel at how they manage to keep going lower and lower? It’s because for the GOP, there is no bottom.

Any Democrat who thinks a contest against Huckabee (or Romney or McCain or Giuliani) would be a cakewalk or that voters are so fed up with Republican rule that we could nominate Ralph Wiggum and still win is living in Liberal Fantasyland. Leave that place. You want to win? Do two things: Roll up your sleeves and fight for it and be prepared on Nov. 4 to pull the lever marked “D” even if the candidate you’re backing right now isn’t on the ballot.

Yep, you’re right. I’m an Independent (never been a Democrat), and I can’t stand the modern GOP. When I was younger I kept thinking that Americans would wake up and realize how bankrupt the GOP’s policies are, but they rarely do. They’re too easily sedated with advertising, consumerism, television, religion, etc. And the GOP is so good at playing the Fear Card.

Even if the Dems win this year, it will put them back to 1993 again, with Limbaugh leading the hordes of idiots to take back congress in the next election. Really, I think there is no hope for this country anymore. Economic collapse and peak oil await us, and neither party knows what to do about this.

The one bright side is that Americans are more fed up than I’ve ever seen them in my 20+ years of following politics. The middle class knows it’s being raped; all the easy credit and reality TV in the world can’t put humpty dumpty back together again for a lot of folks.

  • The Republicans do stand a chance of winning if the Democrats pull our party apart with charges of racism and sexism. Both definitely exist. But with all the “journalists”out there trying to dig up examples, parsing every word not only candidates but the thousands of “advisers” say, we can’t play into it. Obama is a good candidate. I would happily vote for him for president. But so are Edwards and Clinton. I don’t agree with everything they say – I’m opinionated and somewhat stubborn in my opinions. Our tendency to rip apart and demonize our candidates, though, will deliver a victory to the Republicans.

  • This isn’t a very cheerful post to wake up to on Saturday morning, Morbo. But unfortunately, you’re right.

    In spite of it all, I continue to believe that Democrats have a unique opportunity this year to build a coalition that will produce a historic landslide and dominate politics for the next generation – or more. I hope we don’t blow it.

  • Rule number one in politics: never take anything for granted. It’s hard describe the nearly universal scorn for Harry Truman in 1948. Even harder to imagine the Republican euphoria over the fact that the Republican Governor of New York (whom Alice Roosevelt Longworth said looked like the little man on the wedding cake) was going to win by all accounts. Every “scientific” poll … new at that time, and only off, as its turned pit. by half a percent, supported that euphoria. Hence the newsworthiness caused by the results.

  • I won’t feel safe about a Democratic win until the results are in. Many people do not vote in the primaries. If the fear card gets played before the elections (which I’m sure it will) Democrats must be prepared. I’ve noticed in the debates that the GOP canidates are much more specific in their ideas. I want to see that in the Democratic hopefuls. (maybe it’s the questions).

  • jen flowers (#4) is right. The biggest disadvantage Dems have is that the Republicans own virtually all the microphones. I have to laugh when I hear the NY Times or the Washington Post described as liberal. The only way to conclude that is to say that centrist media contains no news that is inconvenient to the Republican party. The media also frames the debate. Look at how much the Dems had to debate, especially in the early CNN/MSNBC debates, about illegal immigration and gay marriage. These were not the biggest concerns of Democratic voters. They were Republican wedge issues. The new tactic is to use these absurd “fact checkers” like Politifact who merely spin candidate comments in a way that makes the fact checkers appear even-handed, while promoting specific biases.

  • Danp: The biggest disadvantage Dems have is that the Republicans own virtually all the microphones.

    Not just that, but also, despite the fact they’ve had countless members exposed as pederasts, pornographers, and womanizing pricks… they are still the party of moral authority.

    That’s why the biggest fairy tale going right now is the one where Hillary claims all her dirty laundry has been vetted.

    Bosh.

    If you think all those microphones with all their moral authority have forgotten Clinton’s philandering and lying you are too deeply immersed in the film on the screen. Step back.
    Look hard. There is a train wreck coming in the very next scene….

  • The Republicans are way better at playing the game than the Dems are. They have a huge interest in not having a Democratic president gain access to whatever records are left when Bush leaves office even though they’d love to have a Democrat to take the fall for Bush’s failures.

    The very fact that Bush is in his second term should serve as a cautionary tale to every Democrat.

  • The Repubs may look disorganized now, but they will surely be marching in lockstep once their leaders anoint the front runner.

    The Repub party rulers still have a significant part of the country convinced that the Repubs are working for them. And those people smile and give thanks as they bend over and let the Repubs do them over and over. How do you reach those people when their media (Faux Noise) and in many cases their own church are selling them down the river? Heck, even their President will stand up and tell them the biggest lies. How do you reach decent people that have had the moral authority in their world perverted and twisted so thoroughly?

  • I don’t want to inspire overconfidence here, but in fact there is solid evidence for the collapse of the GOP.

    We have something completely unprecedented happening. Usually, in any election cycle, you might get 2 or 3 incumbents who retire. If you’re lucky, you get 4; if it’s a miracle, you get 5.

    We have 29 right now: 8 Senators and 21 Representatives. All Republicans. It’s never happened before in American political history that this many incumbents of one party have done this. Polls show that in 7 of the 8 senate races and in all the house races, a well-run (I’ll emphasize well run) campaign can result in a Democrat taking the office. All the Democrats running are attractive candidates and right now are leading well in the polls, while their opposition is in disarray trying to replace the incumbent.

    Additionally, there are 4 Senators – MConnell in KY, Smith in OR, Coleman in MN, Chambliss in GA who are all trending down in support – down in the mid 40s of approval right now – and a well-run campaign there can put them on the “endangered species list.”

    There are also another 12 Representatives who are running behind in their re-election races.

    There is indeed a serious chance here of a 60+ Senate and a 2/3 House. We’ll need this regardless of who gets in the White House – particularly we’ll need it if we have to deal with the Presidents Clinton – if we want to end Bush’s illegal theft of power (which Hill and Billary will never voluntarily give up).

    Notice I said throughout that well run campaigns can work. Overconfidence never leads to a well-run campaign. But doing the kind of work we did in 2006 can really seriously pay off this time around like we haven’t seen it since 1936 and 1964.

    And given that the IPCC said in their final report that we have a 3-4 year window of opportunity to put in place the policies that will allow us to mitigate global warming, these congressional races are almost more important than the presidential campaign, since whichever Democrat gets in the WH already knows it isn’t a hoax. With the kind of congress I am thinking of, we can get through all the things we need and just in time.

    Forget about the “shiny object” of the Presidency and concentrate on rebuilding the Legislative Branch. This is where what we really need is found.

  • Right. The repubs will never fade into oblivion when their policies fail to satisfy or be relevant to the population, just like all these other parties are still going STRONG:

    * Federalist Party (c.1789–c.1820)
    * Democratic-Republican Party (1792–c.1824)
    * Anti-Masonic Party (1826–1838)
    * National Republican Party (1829–1833)
    * Nullifier Party (1830–1839)
    * Whig Party (1833–1856)
    * Liberty Party (1840–1848)
    * Law and Order Party of Rhode Island (1840s)
    * Free Soil Party (1848–1855)
    * Anti-Nebraska Party (1854)
    * American Republican Party (1843-1854)
    * American Party (“Know-Nothings”) (c.1854–1858)
    * Opposition Party (1854–1858)
    * Constitutional Union Party (1860)
    * National Union Party, (1864–1868)
    * Readjuster Party (1870-1885)
    * Liberal Republican Party (1872)
    * Greenback Party (1874–1884)
    * Anti-Monopoly Party (1884)
    * Populist Party (1892–1908)
    * Silver Party (1892-1902)
    * National Democratic Party/Gold Democrats (1896–1900)
    * Silver Republican Party (1896-1900)
    * Social Democratic Party (1900–1901)
    * Home Rule Party of Hawaii (created to serve the native Hawaiian agenda in the state legislature and U.S. Congress) (1900–1912)
    * Socialist Party of America (1901–1973)
    * Progressive Party 1912 (“Bull Moose Party”) (1912–1914)
    * National Woman’s Party (1913-1930)
    * Non-Partisan League (Not a party in the technical sense) (1915–1956)
    * Farmer-Labor Party (1918–1944)
    * Progressive Party 1924 (1924)
    * Communist League of America (1928–1934)
    * American Workers Party (1933–1934)
    * Workers Party of the United States (1934–1938)
    * Union Party (1936)
    * American Labor Party (1936–1956)
    * America First Party (1944) (1944–1996)
    * States’ Rights Democratic Party (“Dixiecrats”) (1948)
    * Progressive Party 1948 (1948–1955)
    * Vegetarian Party (1948–1964)
    * Constitution Party (United States 50s) (1952–1968?)
    * American Nazi Party (1959-1967)
    * Puerto Rican Socialist Party (1959–1993)
    * Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party (1964)
    * Communist Workers Party (1969–1985)
    * People’s Party (1971–1976)
    * U.S. Labor Party (1975–1979)
    * Concerned Citizens Party (1975-1992) Become the Connecticut affiliate of the Constitution Party (then known as U.S. Taxpayers Party) with party founding
    * Citizens Party (1979–1984)
    * New Alliance Party (1979–1992)
    * Populist Party of 1980s-1990s (1984–1994)
    * Looking Back Party (1984–1996)
    * Grassroots Party (1986–2004)
    * Independent Party of Utah (1988–1996)
    * Greens/Green Party USA (1991–2005)
    * New Party (1992 – 1998)
    * Natural Law Party (1992–2004)
    * Mountain Party (2000-2007) Become the West Virginia affiliate of the Green Party July 16, 2007 [1]

    They’re letting just anybody blog nowadays, I guess.
    Study history and learn about CHANGE.
    The present republican party is history.

  • Funny thing, I came to approximately the same conclusion about a month ago. The Huckster is just about the perfect re-incarnation of the Chimp, and if the oiligarchs and pllutocrats want to keep on keeping on in the present mode–which hasn’t hurt any of them in the least, and has handsomely profited a lot of ’em–Huckelberry’s the perfect, ovbious choice. I would in NO WAY be surprised to see The Hulk and his monstrous progeny installed in the ShiteHouse next year this time.

  • Don’t worry about me getting overconfident. As long as the American people are allowed to vote, the modern day version of the Republican Party will remain a viable threat.

    After seven years of Bush, roughly one-third of the American people think he’s great. That’s terrifying. No way is this party collapsing.

  • Given the differences in birthrates of whites versus blacks, Hispanics, and Asians and given the very high levels of immigration, there is no way that the Democratic Party will not be the one dominate party in the future. It does not really matter how the Democratic Party performs because demographics will eventually make the Republican Party irrelevant.

    If you look at the state party level or even Congressional races, the Republicans are quickly becoming irrelevant. There are over 100 Democratic Congressmen running for office unopposed. That number has gone up the last few elections. The 2010 redistricting will allow the Democratic Party to eliminate at least 30 Republican seats.

    The real question is what will America be like as a one party state with the Democratic Party in charge. On thing you can count on is that corruption will become pandemic.

  • Morbo you make some excellent points. I must confess, however, that I have been promoting the “Republicans Imploding” mantra because in watching the conservative slime machine for decades now, that seems to be how they get it to work! The repeat something long enough, and people begin to believe it.

    There is certainly evidence right now that there is discourse between members of the evangelical side of the party, and definitely between the evangelical and corporate wings. At least through the primary season I want to keep promoting this discourse.

    The general election, as you have noted, is an entirely different story. There is “no bottom” to how far Republicans will go to win an election. At that time, Dems better wake up and do all they can to make sure the Dem candidate wins.

    BAC

  • I’m comforted by Tom Cleaver’s position above, but if the country could put another Republican in the White House after the debacle of the foregoing 8 years, I guess there’s just no hope. It would indicate to me than, not only are Americans as a whole (represented by majority) satisfied with seeing the country driven into the ground on afterburner and made an international pariah, but they wish the pace of events to accelerate. The whole panel is lit red, people; everything is falling apart. All those who think Mike Huckabee is the man to put the country on the right path, raise your hoof.

    The policy of electing a leader who is just like your yokel neighbour was a failure. A lot of people threatened to move if George Bush was reelected, but hardly any of them actually did (according to immigration stats). Maybe that’s what it would take, although hardcore Republicans are so selfish that they probably wouldn’t care.

    Whoever is elected has his or her work cut out.

  • The Republican Party won’t be slain until the stake gets physically driven through its heart on November 4. And we’ve all got to be there doing our part to push it in.

    Jen and others mentioned the media’s counterbalancing role to any Democratic gains and I’m sure the media is preparing the tsunami to try to wash back surging support for the Democrats.

    But Morbo’s point that most people aren’t actively following the news or reading blogs like CB to shape their perspectives is spot on — but their is another facet to that point. Water cooler talk around this country is grumbling quite strongly about the economy and the general feeling that things are going the wrong way. Britney’s histrionics are less and less fun to watch when personal finances are hitting the skids. This is a Republican economy exactly as they would like to see it: the rich got richer and the rest of us can go suck rocks. But then again, the American public has voted against its own self-interest before. We all need to spend time away from the keyboards making the future happen the way we’d like to see it.

  • Recently, there has been some speculation that the Voldemorts of the GOP might be afraid to come after Obama since he’s African American. Please.

    “Please” indeed. We already know what the rap is on Obama/Osama. The fact that the “madrassa” stories and the rest are b.s. and have been repeatedly debunked as such, that hasn’t stopped Faux from pushing those buttons. As the case with Begala indicates, they’re perfectly happy to keep pushing a story well after they have learned it’s not true. There are, after all, absolutely no negative consequences for doing so, and since professional standards and ethics are not remotely an issue for them, why not?

    What worries me most, though, about this particularly smear, is not that it will be effective with voters. I’m much more concerned–as is the Secret Service, by all accounts–that it’s going to inspire someone with a gun to Save America from the crypto-Islamofascist plot to conquer us from within. There has never been a shortage of such people. And I am old enough to remember 1968 quite vividly. And 1963 for that matter.

  • Speaking of a replacement for Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, when is Barack Obama going to toss out some “red meat” on the campaign trail, so that I can overcome my doubts about him (i.e. – that he’s a DINO)? Obama has got to articulate that there are things at stake in this election; “playing nice” IS NOT ENOUGH!

  • The two Rs I most fear are McCain and Huckabee. McCain is seen as a war hero and a “maverick” and Huck is very personable, and a minister, so he must be a good person. Never mind the truth.

    Huck was on the Colbert Report the other night and he’s very charming and funny. So it’s important that we get the truth out on him. Either one of the top three Dems would school Huck in a debate on foreign policy (and most everything else), his record as governor (esp the guy he let out of prison who went on to murder more women) re judgment, etc. It’s important that the Dems are tough on him and not play nice.

    McCain has a temper issue, and is running from his support of bush’s war. The Dems need to keep push that as well.

    All of this discussion is persuading me to go ahead and pre-emptively send people the Annenberg report on Obama (to those I know would send me the idiotic Obama emails). I’m so so tired of rumors and lies being perpetuated.

  • slip kid,

    if Obama throws out the “red meat” I’m guessing you are looking for, he gets tagged as an Angry Black Man… and loses his appeal to independents and moderate Republicans who grasp how badly Bush shat the bed, appreciate that Obama seems at least respectful of their views even when they disagree, and would sooner eat their own kids than vote for a Clinton.

    (Not, at this point, that I can really blame them for that last. And I pulled the lever for Bill twice.)

  • And don’t let’s forget that FEC is, at the moment, pretty much dead in the water, lacking 4 out of the necessary 6 members (the von Spakovsky “issue”). The two still there have already said that anything they say will only have advisory, not mandatory, power. If that’s not carte blanche for the Repubs to do as they please, I don’t know what is. So, what they can’t achieve by “steering” the public (smears etc), they’ll finish off by plain skulduggery. By hook, or by crook…

    We will have to work a lot harder than even in ’06, to make sure that the tsunami is so overpoweringly great and visible, that neither the hook nor the crook will avail them anything. It’s not going to be easy.

  • No matter what happens, Democrat or Republican, the voters will put another imperial/imperialist President into the White House who will rule the US by decree and meddle militarily in the world wherever he/she can.

  • The GOP could nominate Ralph Wiggum and win. Their candidate means nothing to them.

    So we shouldn’t sit on our laurels, ever. Even if we are right.

  • We need to bring back some of those parties. I for one would love to see an “Anti-Nebraska Party.” No platform or anything, just a hilarious name.

    Also, no mention of the Freak Power Party? For shame.

  • dajafi,

    “Red meat” by definition is not necessarily angry . (I digress here: I am f’king tired of the media characterizing John Edwards as “angry.”) “Red meat” means why voting Democratic is important. Obama risks being a goddamn mealy-mouth by not pointing out the shortcomings of the Republicans. Obama needs to stand up and be an unapologetic Democrat. Over the last ten years, “playing nice” with the Republicans in Congress has only got the Democrats and the nation FUCKED! Not that I am looking for a “fire-breather,” but Kumbaya just doesn’t cut it!

  • “Huckabee has his charms. I’ve heard him speak, and he’s very good. He’s funny, poised and relaxed. He comes across as an “everyman.” His back story is appealing. Like Bill Clinton, he grew up in strained circumstances and made good. Huckabee used to be overweight but managed to shed 110 pounds. He’s not a fuddy-duddy Baptist. He plays the bass guitar in a rock band! He also has the alarming ability to appear to be moderate.”
    Pretty much what I have said several times already, and I still think Huck is the most worrisome potential opponent.

  • Tom Cleaver @ 14

    I remember a CBR report mentioning Trent Lott’s speedy exit preceded the passage of some type of law barring lobbying after retirement from Congress.

    It’s not the heinousness of the GOP that has em running for the doors. It’s the ka-ching of cash registers. They may well be replaced by more filthy animals just like ’em.

    Let us also not forget the prevalence of paperless voting machines.

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