The perception of who’s fighting fair (and who isn’t)

While the campaigns of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama continue to trade shots, both sides are simultaneously characterizing the other as the aggressor. The motivation, of course, is obvious: voters have (some) tolerance for political disputes in the heat of a competitive presidential campaign, but no one likes a bully.

Greg Sargent, in a terrific item, explores the “spin war” over which of the two leading Dems is perceived as “the fair-fighter being victimized by the other’s out-of-control aggression.” He thinks Obama is winning this angle of the campaign.

At risk of overgeneralizing, much media coverage and commentary right now appears to be hewing closer to the Obama campaign’s chosen narrative, which is roughly that the Clinton machine is using every gutter tactic at its disposal to halt the triumph of new politics and the making of history. […]

Big Dog’s entry, whatever its upsides, has made it far easier for Obama to carve out the role of victim for himself. That the Obama campaign has worked to squeeze that latter factor for advantage is overwhelmingly clear. There was a very palpable shift in the Obama camp’s strategy last week, when after weeks of responding to Bill Clinton’s criticism tentatively he went on ABC to hit back at both Clintons and argue that he was facing “two formidable opponents.”

The Obama campaign (no advisers were available for comment) has rightly pointed out that Bill’s criticism has only grown in volume, forcing them to respond more aggressively. And there’s little doubt that Bill’s criticism of Obama — blared through that big megaphone of his — has been brutally harsh and perhaps helped tip Nevada to Hillary.

At the same time, the lesser told part of this story is that the Obama campaign has very consciously — and skillfully — used this development to its tactical advantage, by casting Obama as the David heroically battling against a kind of two-headed Clintonian Goliath. “I can’t tell who I’m running against at times,” Obama said during the debate, in a refrain that the campaign’s been pushing ever since. Much of the press coverage of late has adopted this view and tone.

That sounds about right to me, but I’m still wondering whether Obama can win the “spin battle” while losing the “spin war.”

In the Democratic primaries, there may very well be a temptation to root for the little guy. Everyone loves an underdog, and in this contest, Obama is the scrappy challenger, facing the most powerful, monolithic Democratic machine in generations.

Indeed, Greg’s point highlights a prism through which all Clinton attacks may soon be filtered — every new criticism and/or misleading ad starts to look like yet another attempt by Goliath to crush David. After a while, all the attacks start to blur together as one big phenomenon: Clinton the Bully. Maybe Dems will respond to this, maybe not.

But the Clinton campaign’s rejoinder is obvious: “If David can’t beat Goliath in the primaries, he doesn’t deserve to face an even more ruthless foe in the general election.”

That’s the thing about looking like a “victim”; it has a limited shelf-life. It can generate some sympathy, and make the aggressor look a thug, but as I explored yesterday, in a presidential campaign, there may be a lot of Dems who don’t trust a sling-shot to get the job done.

In this sense, Obama should pivot — arguing in effect, “Yes, Clinton’s been the aggressor, and yes, I can take it and dish it out. But in the long run, while Clinton is throwing the kitchen sink at me, I’m going to connect with voters about the issues that matter most….”

Stay tuned.

Victim has a very short shelf life indeed. The willingness to accept that mantle is one of my greatest reservations about Obama. I want a fighter, not a finger pointer.

  • “In this sense, Obama should pivot…”

    Exactly. Clinton took Obama off his game for a time by attacking his perceived strengths (sound familiar?) during which he had to defend himself and prove he could play hardball with one two of the best. Now that he’s got that going, he has to get back to his own message. Voters still don’t have a clear picture of what his vision is beyond “one America” and “change.”

  • At some point, the most effective ad is one Edwards should run, showing him asking the audience at the SC debate if they think the squabbling between Clinton and Obama is going to get help anyone health care or a college education; it’s reaching the stage those of us who are parents recognize as the point where you say, “I don’t care who started it, I don’t want to hear any more,” and the voters will begin to tune them both out.

    It is my hope that this works to Edwards’ advantage. Some of the new poll numbers out of SC would seem to suggest that it is.

  • I think Obama has poor strategic judgement. The more he tries to spin his “party of change” comments to the Reno paper, the more he keeps linking himself in voter minds with Ronald Reagan/Republicans. Maybe what HRC said at the debates was not literally true, but it correctly spun the impression people would get by watching the video. The victory he gets from challenging HRC on this looks pretty Pyrric to me.

  • I agree that Obama may be winning the spin wars here. It’s amazing to me that he gets away with saying that Hillary will “say anything” to win when it’s obvious hyperbole. What she would do, he would do too except he’d pretend to be holier than thou while doing it. This is an election for the leader of the free world. It doesn’t bother me that Hillary will bring a RPG to a gunfight as long as she gets us back to a United States that I can be reasonably proud of. Whoever becomes President is going to have to fight HARD to regain the ground we’ve lost in the last 7 years. Anyone who says they won’t vote for Hillary if she’s the nominee must be a Bush lover because all the Rethugs are running as Bush III. If they want to take a chance with another four years of that…well, it’s no different than voting for the Rethug nominee.

    BTW, anyone who thinks Obama will pick up the indies and Moderate Rethugs should worry about the Bradley effect. Those are exactly the folks that will tell you they’ll vote for a black man but will inevitably be unable to overcome their own bigotry.

  • I think the David v Goliath frame has risks for both camps (and as Anne points out, perhaps an upside for Edwards), but I also think Bill’s current role, while arguably successful recently, is unwise. Although I did get a big kick out his calling out the press yesterday.

    He wouldn’t probably like it, but he needs to go do retail, small group, donor, and local press work out ahead where the lights aren’t as bright and have HRC stay in the currently-targeted states (although Chelsea can stay with HRC). There are just more downsides than I can count to Team Clinton having Bill constantly in the “main” state particularly if Hillary is there as well.

  • This is the first time Obama looks strong to me – if he’s able to presnet an aura of integrity while playing politics AND control the narrative, then well played. Republican victimization and calls for cleaner campaigning have always been hardball politics meant to let you smear your opponant and shut down crit of you – maybe he’s smarter than I think.

  • “BTW, anyone who thinks Obama will pick up the indies and Moderate Rethugs should worry about the Bradley effect. Those are exactly the folks that will tell you they’ll vote for a black man but will inevitably be unable to overcome their own bigotry.” — g8grl @ 5

    So, an un-bigotted person should not vote for a minority candidate because other people are bigots? I hear what you’re saying, but I’m sorry, that’s circular logic.

  • g8grl @ 5 says s “It doesn’t bother me that Hillary will bring a RPG to a gunfight as long as she gets us back to a United States that I can be reasonably proud of.”

    An odd definition of pride.

  • @8

    People are very reluctant to come out and say what was set @ 5 – because of the self-fulfilling prophecy effect. People just don’t want to go there.

  • When the Republicans come after her they’re going to be flogging a cartoon version of her as a ruthless megalomaniac with a tendency towards dishonesty and expediency. That’s already the cartoon version, won’t take much to push the average voter in that direction. She needs to be able make people take a second look… that’s what turned it around for her in New Hampshire.

    So how exactly have the last week or two helped her national image and position in the general?

    She’s going to pick off the moderates against McCain by playing the part of the righteous street fighter? That’s really the plan?

    Color me skeptical… I think the divisiveness is unnescessary and is hurting the party.

  • …the Obama campaign’s chosen narrative, which is roughly that the Clinton machine is using every gutter tactic at its disposal to halt the triumph of new politics and the making of history.

    That the Clinton machine is using every gutter tactic at its disposal is not a “chosen narrative”; its the sad fact.

  • @3: At some point, the most effective ad is one Edwards should run, showing him asking the audience at the SC debate if they think the squabbling between Clinton and Obama is going to get help anyone health care or a college education

    Yes, although Edwards has a very limited timeframe to work within, he really did come off well during the fracas as the South Carolina debate. He might very well pick up some votes among those who are sick of the internecine warfare between the two front-runners. It certainly would be interesting if he picks up SC or finishes a strong second.

  • If you think the Clinton campaign is “distorting ” O’bama’s record ,
    just wait till the Republican attacks come in ’08 if O’bama is the democratic party nominee. Who do you think the media will side with then? Again, I say “if you can’t stand the heat,get out of the kitchen”. And to steal an old chant:Give ’em hell Hillary.

  • Color me skeptical… I think the divisiveness is unnescessary and is hurting the party.

    Agreed, but “unnecessary” is, I suppose, in the eye of the beholder. Obama and Clinton have very similar voting records in the Senate and very similar forward-looking proposals; both would make history, neither has a clear advantage on, say, foreign policy expertise.

    But the campaign must go on, and there has to be some way to create distinction because that is what contested elections are about – choosing between a discrete number of distinct options.

    Dividing the electorate is almost by definition what an election is about. How to divide without divisiveness may be a pipe dream. Although it certainly isn’t very enjoyable or productive.

  • Memkiller wrote:
    This is the first time Obama looks strong to me – if he’s able to presnet an aura of integrity while playing politics AND control the narrative, then well played. Republican victimization and calls for cleaner campaigning have always been hardball politics meant to let you smear your opponant and shut down crit of you – maybe he’s smarter than I think.
    OTOH, this is the first time that Obama has really turned me off. Now, he is really starting to sound like a Republican wannabe. “I want to be the next Reagan!” “Reagan gave us the dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing!” “The Republicans have been the party of ideas for the last 10-15 years!” “Hillary will say anything to win!”

  • Obama doesn’t even have to pivot. He just needs to show that this is all a part of his initial message. Obama started out calling for change. The Clintons provided an example of why we need change when they launched their smear campaigns.

    First Obama needs to use this to defeat the Clintons. Then he goes on to call for change from the real Republicans for the same reason we must beat the Clintons for resorting to Republican tactics.

    Opposition to the type of campaign which the Clintons have launched can change votes. Check out these videos from Lorna Brett Howard, the former President of Chicago NOW who changed from Clinton to Obama in response to the Clinton smears:

    http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2772

  • If being a hard-ass is so important to Hillary, why the emotional scene a few weeks ago?

    Re: the title of the post “The perception of who’s fighting fair (and who isn’t)”

    Let’s define “fighting fair” as not lying. Has Obama lied about Hillary as bad as Bill Clinton did about Obama? If so, I missed that one.

  • As for what Obama should have done instead of saying “Hillary will say anything” is to hammered Hillary with Lorna Brett Howard. Instead of going personal, hammer Hillary with the facts. Adding “and change nothing” was just plain nastiness.

  • After a while, all the attacks start to blur together as one big phenomenon: Clinton the Bully.

    This is certainly a real possibility, and one I’d think the Clinton strategists would be anxious to avoid. (I’m sure they’re aware of any scenario we can think up.)

    It plays into portrayals of her as a win-at-any-cost harpy, and it seems unwise to feed that particular monster — it’ll be detrimental down the road, whether in wooing undecideds in the primary, wooing independents in the election, or trying to handle a political media establishment predisposed to distrust the Clintons (particularly Hillary).

  • I don’t dispute that Edwards “came off” well in the debate, but I disagreed with him asking Obama about his “present” votes in the Illinois state legislature. Edwards knew that such votes were both common and useful in Illinois.

    For those that don’t know, there are two ways to vote to prevent a bill from passing in the Illinois state legislature:

    1. Vote to have the paper that the bill is written on shredded and burned (i.e. vote “no”).
    2. Vote to have the bill, in its current form, salvaged and improved (i.e. vote “present”).

    As you know, you can’t pass a bill with a majority of “present” votes. But such votes usually are intended to send the message to fellow legislators, “I’m with you in spirit, but the implementation needs more work.”

    Obama’s “present” votes are not something to be criticized; rather, they’re consistent with his approach to working with others. Edwards knows this…but that didn’t stop him from wasting time on it during the debate.

  • Agreed, but “unnecessary” is, I suppose, in the eye of the beholder.…
    Dividing the electorate is almost by definition what an election is about.

    Clinton was losing ground to Obama slowly and steadily throughout the fall. She got a second look and a big bounce when she softened her image. The plan now seems to be to push as hard as possible on inevitability and electability.

    This last round has hurt Clinton, has hurt Obama, and has divided the party. A lot of folks on both sides of the fence have their blood up (and the Edwards supporters don’t seem terribly anxious to throw in behind either camp). Not to say the sky is falling, just that this is hurting us and needs to stop and stop soon… and that’s true no matter who you’re backing.

    There’s nothing wrong with inspiring the electorate, uniting the electorate, building the coalitions… this divide and conquer bit is the most Rovian frame of all.

  • The Clinton tactics of late have been reprehensible. They may actually succeed in getting her the nomination, but what does that say about us Americans? If indeed she wins the nomination we are telling the world that we would rather have a win at any cost, muckraking perpetuator of falsehoods, than a high-minded builder of bridges.

  • “But the Clinton campaign’s rejoinder is obvious: “If David can’t beat Goliath in the primaries, he doesn’t deserve to face an even more ruthless foe in the general election.”

    Oooo, that’s getting mighty close to the Clintons casting themselves as the Republican faction in the Democratic primary. I seriously don’t think they want to go there for themselves, do they?

  • Can I shut down this idea that Bill shouldn’t be the hatchetman? Using your spouse for the attack was perfected by Edwards, and Obama is sending his sign. Other after Bill. It’s just that Bill is a man, and an ex-President that gives him a bigger megaphone (which makes Hillary smaller).

    While I’m at it – this fearsome Clinton dynasty I keep hearing about… I just don’t see Chelsea running for President, nor would I find it frightening if she did.

  • Using your spouse for the attack was perfected by Edwards, and Obama is sending his sign…It’s just that Bill is a man…

    Comparing Bill Clinton’s efforts to those of Edwards’ and Obama’s wives is like comparing a forklift to a step ladder. Neither Edwards nor Obama will win or lose because of their wives.

    On the other hand, if Clinton wins, it will be entirely because of her husband. Hillary has sent us the message that she’s incapable of winning without help from her husband, and she doesn’t give a rat’s ass. If she gets the nomination this way, it won’t be anything for women to celebrate. To the contrary.

  • I have a hard time with that “If David can’t beat Goliath in the primaries…” arguement. Being willing the say anything, do anything to get the nomination should not be a selling point of a candidate’s legitimacy in a primary. After all, the people you are campaigning against in the primary are on your team. Do you really want someone who will stab a teammate in the back to gain advantage sitting in the Oval Office? Really WANT that?

    Think about it…richard Nixon was that kind of candidate. Bush was that kind of candidate.

  • Its obvious that the Clinton haters want Obama as the nominee so I won’t go there. If Obama doesn’t want to explain his Rezco connection to democrats and the purchase of his mansion under market value, while Tony Rezcos wife purchased the empty lot adjoining his mansion from the same seller at or above market value at or about the same time and then sold it to Obama. What do you think the rethugs are going to do with that.

    I for one wants someone that is going to fight the rethugs tooth and nail and win and to me thats Hillary.

  • Hillary Clinton will fight the “rethugs” tooth and nail, but she won’t win. Too many independents hate her, and now, a lot of Democrats hate her as well.

  • Okay, can I throw this out there? I keep hearing about the “Rovian” tactics of the Clinton camp. Can we recap the examples?

    Now, I read Steve’s take on Hillary’s pointing out Obama’s praise of the “Party of Ideas”, and I’m still bothered by them. It seemed like an effort to obscure some of the shine of the Clinton years, which I understand (he is making the case to move on from the Clinton era), and also a David Broder reach across the aisle to a group that, by and large, sees anything short of wiping our kind off the face of the Earth a sin, and treason. It was no worse than, say, attacking Hillary’s lack of transparency in turning over documents sooner than required by Bush’s Executive Order, or Bill’s “fairy tale”, or Hillary’s MLK remarks. I assure you, those came from rival campaigns.

    When you’re talking Rove, you’re talking accusing a POW of being brainwashed by the communists, claiming he has an illigitimate black daughter, or smearing a triple-amputee. Unless Hillary is behind the Madrassa smears, there’s nothing that even comes close.

    The fact that it’s taken for granted that Hillary is doing Republican dirty tricks is a bit like when I kept hearing from Dems that of course Bill is guilty of something in Whitewater, or there wouldn’t be all this press (open-minded folks that we are). So I’d ask, “What, exactly are we investigating?” I know the law that was supposedly broken in Plame, and the facts that led to an investigation, but after reading thousands of column inches on Whitewater, I still have no idea what it was, exactly they were investigating. People would usually say, “Hillary made all this money on cattle futures.” Oh? What does that have to do with a land deal. “Oh, the Rose Law Firm…” Did the Rose Law Firm give them the money? What did they have to do with this land? Didn’t he lose money? What is Starr trying to find out that Clinton did? “Isn’t it funny how Hillary just happens to find this one document? Didn’t you see Imus?” Wow, I say, to have delayed handing over this one document of thousands handed over, it must have had something pretty damning on it. What did it say? No one knows. Yet, “Whitewater” is synonymous with Clinton shenanigans. After all, would there be so much smoke in the NYTs if there wasn’t fire? You must be a blind partisan if you think the entire media would do all this reporting on something about nothing!

    So, as a Democrat who would be happy with any Democrat running right now, I have this knee-jerk revulsion every time I hear this kind of talk from Obama supporters that makes me more and more of a Hillary supporter with each passing post. I’m telling you, you’re going about it the wrong way if you’re trying to endear me to Obama. The Clinton Administration was the most ethical administration since Carter — arguably cleaner, since they had fewer people indicted or copping pleas, despite the intense legal/media scrutiny and an entire branch of government devoted solely to digging up some dirt, true or not.

    Like Josh Marshall, I’m a Dem who LOVED the Clinton Administration, and my disgust at the media double-standard regarding them that continues with every leading Democrat since, is at heart what gets me showing up at these blogs. But like the rest of the blogosphere, I believe we have suffered greatly for the centrist ways of the DLC — that even Obama clings to. What Obama has failed to do is to show that he is any different than Hillary, policy-wise. The only difference is that he’s likable and charismatic, and the media doesn’t have to hate him like they automatically do any Dem.

    What I want is Obama’s charisma with Edwards/Dodd policy. What I’m getting from Obama is Clinton policy with Edwards charisma.

  • memekiller,

    That’s about as nicely expressed as I’ve read anywhere. Thank you for your clarity.

  • It’s painful to read missives from the likes of people (memekiller, I’m talking about you) who are determined to wallow in their own ignorance.

    First, she blames Hillary Clinton’s MLK controversy on Obama (Clyburn and Brazil and others had nothing to do with Obama’s campaign. Does memekiller believe that all black people are Obama’s puppets?)

    She then claims the Clinton’s campaign had nothing to do with the Madrassa smears while Clinton campaign surrogate Bob Kerry is running around reporting that Obama was a Muslim.

    As Patrick Moynihan famously said, you’re entitled to your own opinions, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.

  • Why didn’t Obama have a good answer for the “present” votes when even a poster here had a sound, simple explanation? Certainly he had to know the question was coming. I didn’t know the explanation, I even went looking on the net to find out but couldn’t get a good answer. So, when I saw the debate, he gets asked and I thought he’d swat it down in a moment, but all he said was, “I voted over 4000 bills…”. Not bad, but not an answer. I was disappointed.

    And having Bill campaign for Hillary is a problem for me. He totally obscures her. The weird thing is running on his record…technically it is his record, not “theirs”, just as her presidency should be hers, not “theirs”. While I think he did a good job, I think triangulation as a strategy was wise in the 1990s, but not now. I think he looks like a genius because he was successful during essentially Republican years. He is a genius, but I’m not convinced he makes the greatest decisions all the time –he didn’t oppose the Iraq War. His intelligence should have led him to do so, Gore did, Carter did, but not him. Why? Politics.

    So where does that leave me? Looks like I’m back to where I started after having flirted with the cool kids for a while. Oh well.

  • I think I need to tone down my comments about Hillary Clinton. I still do not approve of a lot of the rhetoric coming out of her campaign against Obama, but I want to be clear that I will support whichever Dem eventually earns the nomination.

    I reread my last comment and realized how much it sounded like a crazed groupie. I do prefer Barach Obama, but I do not hate Hillary Clinton. All this bickering about non-issue issues is not helping. Let’s all hope the campaigns get back to discussing real issues soon.

  • LOL. It would help if I checked my spelling before posting too. It doesn’t look too swift when I misspell Barack!

  • Its obvious that the Clinton haters want Obama as the nominee so I won’t go there. If Obama doesn’t want to explain his Rezco connection to democrats and the purchase of his mansion under market value, while Tony Rezcos wife purchased the empty lot adjoining his mansion from the same seller at or above market value at or about the same time and then sold it to Obama. What do you think the rethugs are going to do with that.

    You do realize you sound like a Republican talking about Whitwater in 1995 don’t you? Just substitute James McDougall for Rezco.

  • MSM, and many progressive blogs, have given Obama a pass. It seems clear that he is not ready for prime time. I just hope Democratic voters realize this, before it’s too late.

    BAC

  • Why does Obama get off scot-free in terms of being an attack dog? He is once again reciting Republican party talking points, i.e. the Republicans have been the “party of ideas” pretty much verbatim with the express purpose of attacking Clinton.

    In other words, this isn’t just an argument over Reagan, it’s also an argument over whether a subsequent era, aka the “Clinton Era” was headed in a positive direction.

    IMO Obama is clearly and distinctly trying to make the argument that the Clinton presidency didn’t offer any new ideas, etc. so why shouldn’t the Clinton camp push back on this?

    I wish this part were more explicitly spelled out, instead of making this seem like it’s some semantic battle over Reagan.

    FWIW, in comparing presidencies Obama also made a clear choice to contrast Reagan with two other presidents, Clinton and Nixon.

    Hmmm. Wonder what happened the two Bushes, Carter, Ford? Call me a cynic but I think it’s very likely that Obama was taking a cheap shot at somehow linking Clinton / Nixon (think: scandal, impeachment) in that choice as well.

    So I don’t see him as “clean” on this. He’s basically set up a major insult to the Clintons and now feigning surprise that they’ve responded in anger. Gosh, Bill is upset that I see his presidency as scandal-reading, bereft of idea and essentially meaningless? How could I have know that would bother him?

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