The post-veto phase begins

As expected, Bush vetoed funding for the war in Iraq yesterday, only the second veto of his presidency (the first was his rejection of funding for life-saving medical research). The president delivered a four-minute speech about his motivation for the veto yesterday afternoon, with most of the predictable arguments we’ve heard before.

I found the Democrats’ response more interesting.

Democrats concede they do not have enough votes to override the veto. But, speaking in the Capitol shortly after Mr. Bush’s remarks, the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi of California, and the Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, said they would not be deterred from pushing the president as hard as they could to bring the troops home.

“If the president thinks by vetoing this bill he will stop us from working to change the direction of the war in Iraq, he is mistaken,” Mr. Reid said. He added, “Now he has an obligation to explain his plan to responsibly end this war.”

It was a subtle phrase, which most of the media ignored, but Reid was actually making an important political point. For years, the Republicans have argued, “Dems don’t like Bush’s war policy, but they don’t have one of their own.” Obviously, that no longer applies. Yesterday, however, Reid framed the debate in an entirely different way: “We have a plan to responsibly end the war. Where’s the Republican plan?”

I doubt that this was accidental, and I hope this is a frame Dems will pick up on. That the war needs to end no longer seems controversial; the question is how. The White House prefers an open-ended commitment that necessarily has to remain in place indefinitely. So the question for Dems to keep asking war supporters is, “Where’s your plan for an end game?”

As for congressional Republicans, they’re standing behind Bush’s veto today, but they also seem poised to bolt before the end of the summer.

The Wall Street Journal noted that “major defections” amongst the GOP ranks are all but inevitable.

Republican moderates, such as former Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner of Virginia, are already demanding a greater voice in the second round of talks on war funding. Rep. Ray LaHood (R., Ill.), who has been loyal to the president, said he and other Republican lawmakers will have to reassess their support if military commander Gen. David Petraeus and the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki don’t show more progress by September.

“Republicans are going to give Bush an opportunity, but if it isn’t working in September, a lot of members will be very nervous,” Mr. LaHood said. “I think the big benchmark is September.”

“If things don’t improve,” Mr. LaHood said, “the leadership is going to come under pressure from members to go down and tell the president: ‘If you are not willing to pivot, to make some dramatic changes, you are on your own.'” (emphasis added)

September’s importance is twofold. Gen. Petraeus last week promised lawmakers that he will be able to give a fuller assessment then on his success in curbing sectarian violence in Baghdad. It is also the last month of the fiscal year, when Congress will have to deal with another $141 billion funding request by the president to help pay for the war into 2008.

The trick for Dems, then, is how to exacerbate Republican divisions. How about a short-term spending measure that expires in September?

As for all the talk about “benchmarks,” the NYT reported, “Several Republican leaders said Tuesday that they were likely to support such benchmarks, and White House aides said Tuesday that Mr. Bush, who has supported goals and benchmarks for the Iraqi government, might back such a measure — but only if the benchmarks are nonbinding.”

In other words, the White House message to Congress is, “Give us all the money we want, with no strings attached, and we’ll tell Maliki to try real hard.” It’s a persuasive pitch, isn’t it?

As for the “negotiations” — Bush is scheduled to meet with congressional leaders from both parties today — GOP lawmakers seem to realize that the president’s no-compromise position might need a little flexibility. Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) told the WaPo that “some kind of compromise has to be worked out…. That’s how it’s done. Everybody holds their nose and maybe a couple of times vomits, but you get it done.”

Stay tuned.

It’s wonderful to see the Dem leadership framing Bush’s veto and the decisions that need to be made with such clarity. If the entire caucus shows discipline on this message the reThug position will be become more and more ridiculous. This comment doesn’t hurt at tll – Sen. Webb (D-VA): “We won this war four years ago. The question is when we end the occupation.”

  • Dems need to stand firm, and not give Bush one freaking inch. They should put together a list of quotes from Republicans talking about Congress’ role in deciding war policy (from back when Clinton was president) and read those at every opportunity.

    By September, Bush’s corruption issue will be even more fully exposed, and the congressional Republicans will be ready to bolt, because their necks will be on the line a year after that. The American people will provide them with incentives to get on board.

    This is the time to play hardball. Dems hold all the cards, I hope they know that this isn’t a chance that comes along very often.

  • This president needs to fund the redeployment of our troops from Iraq in order to succeed in the war on terror. In 2007 we are not the liberators we were in 2003, we are the occupiers. Reid’s comment is well taken – this administration can bring us war, but does it know how to end war, especially a war it started but now can’t win. Mr. Bush is walking the path of demise. -Kevo

  • The trick for Dems, then, is how to exacerbate Republican divisions. How about a short-term spending measure that expires in September?

    How about no spending bill. Bush, since the beginning of the war, has refused to budget for it. He then sends up “emergency” bills. The Congress goes along with the charade.

    How about the Dems saying “With this veto the President expresses his view there is no real emergency in need of funding. Moving on”

  • Jim Webb nailed it the other day. We’ve already won the war. We did that 4 years ago. The question now is, “How and when do we end the occupation”?

  • “Democrats concede they do not have enough votes to override the veto.”

    But they should have the votes to send Bush EXACTLY THE SAME FREAKING BILL HE JUST VETOED — over and over and over…

  • “…surely we can agree that our troops are worthy of this funding…”

    To listen to the Usurper-In-Chief speak, you’d think that the money would be directly deposited into military service member’s bank accounts. I’d like to know exactly what the outlays of the bill are. How much goes to the 120,000+ private contractors in Iraq? How much actually goes to the troops and their families?

  • Democrats could use many frames of argument in comination:

    (1) The Paul Krugman frame – “Bush is holding the troops hostage, he knows Americans care about them more than he does.”
    (2) The Carpetbagger frame – “Where’s your plan for an end game?”
    (3) The debunking frame – I want to see more of Bush debunking; Rip apart every sentence that he utters.

    For eg: just from his speech:

    “All the terrorists would have to do is mark their calendars”,
    “take fighting directions from politicians 6,000 miles away “,
    “bill is loaded with billions of dollars in non-emergency spending”,
    “the number of sectarian murders has dropped substantially.”

    I say to the Dems, quote the idiot, and debunk the logic, line by line.

  • A delay until September—how many more dead on the altar of Mr. Bu$h’s war will there be by then; dead for no better reason than to further line the pockets of the profiteers, and to extend the foreign-policy coverup of the domestic-policy criminalities?

    Dems have an opportunity—right now—to stare this cowardly, fantasy-driven poodle-of-a-president straight in the eye, and say NO.

    Bu$h cannot use a signing statement to continue funding his criminal enterprise in Iraq; neither can he employ a recess appointment, an executive order, or a veto. His entire presidency now revolves around but one thing: STAYING THE COURSE IN IRAQ. Take that one thing away from him, and he’s toast. His entire administration (the ‘Murican Mafia) will be toast.

    Charred-to-a-cinder toast.

  • Listening to the Regal Moron (that’s Bush for all of you RW interlopers, er guests) blather about “defeat..the enemy …” I was struck by how disconnected to reality his talking points are.
    Defeat, how? We won, Sadaam’s gone & elections have been held. It is now a civil war brewing, and we don’t know if we are training one side or the other.
    The enemy – see above.

    Hearing Commander Codpiece talk about the occupation is like hearing someone ask about halftime in a baseball game.

  • ‘How about the Dems saying “With this veto the President expresses his view there is no real emergency in need of funding. Moving on” ‘- Martin @#4.

    my sentiments exactly.

  • Right, wait until September? Meanwhile, 4-5 months of bodies piling up, I don’t think so. In the cost-benefit analysis, we are doing more harm than good being there.

  • The Dems need to reposition every catchword the WH comes at them with. For instance, “failure” should not be attached to troop reductions and a pullout. “Failure” must be attached squarely to the administration’s policy in Iraq.

    When shrub says “members of the House and the Senate passed a bill that substitutes the opinions of politicians for the judgment of our military commanders” dems need to hit back with “judgement of the American people” and the “opinions of a majority of military commanders who believe Iraq is already lost.” We need to turn their phrase “Democrats are planning for failure” back on them with “the administration failed to plan and that is why we have already failed in Iraq.”

    We need to fight the war of catchphrases [perhaps we need a “Catchphrase Czar”] or we’ll be hearing “Defeatocrats” and all that bullshit trumpeted for the next year and a half. Seriously, the Repubs have their minister of propaganda. They spend a lot of time and money focus-grouping words like “war on terror,” “death tax,” etc.

    Also if, as Dana P complained, the Dems held up the bill a day or two so its passage would coincide with the 4th anniversary of “Mission Accomplished,” then I say hell yeah! It’s about time we kicked some symbolic ass like that. It’s a slick move from the enemy’s playbook. And, by God, it works for me!!!

  • Serious question: has Bush ever defined “success”?

    He rejects binding benchmarks and timetables. He never talks about how we’d even know we’re winning. The administration’s entire approach to the war is that of a petulant, spoiled child who won’t let anyone else play with his toys and refuses to put them away.

    We somehow got Eric Cartman in the Oval Office. Bush’s astonishing narcissism would be hysterical were it not so tragic.

  • The Dems have spoken for the majority of Americans.
    No more funding for the civil war in Iraq!

  • Per bedgars at 5 and via TPM:

    (May 01, 2007 — 06:29 PM EST // link)

    Sen. Webb (D-VA) on the president’s veto: “We won this war four years ago. The question is when we end the occupation.”
    — Josh Marshall

    Part of the framing should be this exact observation completely integrated into the ongoing discussion. Enough of calling it a war.
    We’re in a holding pattern occupation so ShrubCo can leave the smoldering pile of poo to someone else to deal with.

    And that “clean bill” crap should be turned on it’s head. ShrubCo wants a bill that’s cleansed of accountability and responsibility. They want an unfettered ability to keep screwing up without penalty.

    The word clean has no business hanging around anywhere in the vicinity of ShrubWorld.

  • I want to see more of Bush debunking — Ohioan #8. You want to lose your mind? There isn’t enough time in the universe. Every single utterance of this numskull is bunkum. Top to bottom, back to front, inside out it’s garbage. Complete, total, utter gobbledegook. It makes no sense, no logic, no coherence whichever way you try to look at it. It’s the raving mutterings of a delirious dimwit. It’s symptomatic of psychotic dementia. Even Adolf could do a ‘better’ job, God forbid.

    Seriously, the guy’s a fascist, loony nutcase. A crackpot of the vilest and most scurrilous maleficence. The only question I ever ask myself about the Bushbat is if he knows — I mean, has the slightest inkling — of how perverse, ridiculous, maleficent, meaningless and dissociated the verbiage he spews actually is.

    Debunk this evil nonsense? No thanks. Ignore it, reject it perhaps, but debunking would be as impossible and endless as “winning” in Iraq. And we know how long that’s going to take.

  • Dems need to call Bush’s bluff: they offered him money for more war, with reasonable limits, given how he’s screwed up so much so far.

    If he doesn’t like it, they should feel no obligation to offer him anything else.

    The first rule of ceasing to enable a delusional tyrant is, well, ceasing to enable a delusional tyrant.

    Just say no.

    (or, if they don’t have the stones for that, send him a bill ending the war a month sooner. Repeat as necessary.)

  • Waiting until September will make everybody look like fools.
    The Republicans aren’t going to come around. When was the last time they faced the music on anything.

    If we pass a temporary spending bill until September, then in September we’ll be exactly back where we started, and I suspect the folks with an (R) after their names will be on exactly the same side of the issue then.

    Now is the time to stop this nonsense. Not in 4 months, at a cost of hundreds of additional lives WASTED. They’ve already blown past their supposed milestones for determining if the “surge” will succeed. They’ll do the same thing in September.

  • No war left behind-
    Use Bush’s own model of timetables with ever increasing benchmarks and mandated periodic reviews on war funding.
    What’s good for the goose, should be good for the gander.

  • So, Republicans are going to wait until US KIAs hit the 4,000 mark? And the Iraqis suffer several thousand more deaths?

    THEN they’ll decide to rethink their view of the war?

  • There was a movie that had this great line, “You’re either got to get busy living or get busy dying.” I remember this line at this time because I think the Democrats can use the timeline on Bush: he should either get busy “winning” this war or get busy pulling out. This nation is marking the calendar, not the terrorists, for the date when we will declare, again, that we won. It’s Bush who needs to get busy and meet this nation’s benchmarks. If Bush would gt off his lazy *ss, he could find the victory he’s been loking for. But like everything else in his life, he’s waiting for others to do all the work for him. My tactic? Use the timetable to press Bush to accomplish his win.

    But it’s funny, in a sad way, how Bush is putting all the pressure on the Maliki government, which is an Iraqi version of his own administration. Maliki’s government is incompetent, intensely partisan, filled with fraud, waste and corruption, and not up to the job of making better the situation in Iraq. Bush will fail if he continues down this path simply because he is relying on a virtual clone of himsel.

  • The first rule of ceasing to enable a delusional tyrant is, well, ceasing to enable a delusional tyrant. — Chris #18.

    Indeed. Actions speak louder than words.

    When dealing with a hydra-headed Medusa, words are wasted. Debunk one erroneous, vacuous utterance and two more spring up in its place. (Just to vivify my earlier point.)

  • The movie was Shawshank Redemption. Vastly underrated movie that came out at the same time as Forrest Gump (I believe) , which was a good movie, but Shawshank was better. so it didn’t get the Awards recognition it deserved.

  • I agree that Dems need to keep pushing. They realize compromise is defined in the Shrubya Dictionary of Gooder English as “When people argue a bit and then do what I say and I go ‘Heh.'”

    There was a comment here a while back about Thomas Edison testing equipment untiil it went kablooie. The same goes for Bush. He’s got steam leaking from the cracks, time to crank up the PSI.

    On a side note, I must admit I was worried about the headlines this morning but then I saw this on the front page of the Post:

    Bush Vetos Iraq War Emergency Funding Bill

    Beneath it, a picture of Bush, alone, walking across the WH lawn.

    Nice. A lackey of the evil librul overlords must have been sitting in the editor’s chair last night.

    I’m sure the WaTi has something along the lines of: “Bush stops Democrats from killing soldiers,” but like most of the population of DC, no one gives a fuck about the WaT.

  • Senator Robert C. Byrd:

    Four years ago, President Bush landed on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln to declare, “Mission Accomplished.” For thousands of our soldiers and their families, and likely for the Iraqi people, it feels like a lifetime has passed. How wrong the president was then and how wrong he continues to be today.

    By vetoing the supplemental legislation, the president has chosen to hold hostage $100 billion for our troops to a failed policy. He is once again demonstrating his detachment from the realities on the ground in Iraq, and his indifference to the will of the American people at home. The president’s veto ensures that hundreds, maybe thousands more will die in Iraq without bringing that country any closer to peace.

    Before the war began, I urged the president to think through the consequences. I was very concerned about the repercussions that would follow this country’s certain military victory. Tragically, the repercussions I feared all have come to pass.

    No matter how hard the president hopes it will happen, sectarian violence will not be quelled with U.S. forces occupying the Iraqi nation. Cross your fingers. Rub your lucky rabbit’s foot. Nail a horse shoe over the door to the Oval Office. Hoping for luck will not change the deadly dynamic in Iraq. Peace demands an Iraqi-led diplomatic, economic and security effort, the kind of which, to date, the Iraqi government has been unable or unwilling to undertake. Our legislation could have motivated the Iraqi people to take more responsibility by instituting benchmarks and rewards for positive outcomes. Instead, the president has again chosen to have our troops go it alone in a centuries old sectarian war with no end in sight.

    When he took office more than six years ago, George W. Bush issued a call for renewed responsibility in government. What is responsible about clinging to this failing course in Iraq? What is responsible about the president continuing to foster and manipulate the fears of the American people? Today, faced with the tragic consequences of his misjudgments in Iraq, the Bush administration is paralyzed, unwilling to even acknowledge, much less remedy, its catastrophic blunders.

    We have learned a lot about President Bush since this war began. We know that he cannot admit mistakes. Although the Bush administration has misled the American people and caused a disaster in Iraq, the White House has chosen to continue living in the fantasy world of a public relations campaign designed to obscure reality.

    I am sorry that this day has come to pass. I have seen clashes between the legislative and executive branches. I have seen presidents make mistakes in the past. Everyone makes mistakes. I have made them. Every senator has made them. But I have never seen such arrogance by a White House that seals its eyes and ears and blindly sends our brave troops to their doom.

    The Congress will get to work on a new version of the supplemental appropriations conference report. We will not delay. But we also will not stop in our efforts to stand for what is right and to craft policies that reflect the true strength of America—humility, modesty, honesty. We will continue to press for a strong, intelligent foreign policy that does not rely on military might alone. And we will not relent in our efforts to bring secure peace for Iraq and to bring our troops home from war.

  • The movie was Shawshank Redemption. Vastly underrated movie that came out at the same time as Forrest Gump (I believe) , which was a good movie, but Shawshank was better. so it didn’t get the Awards recognition it deserved.

    Forrest Gump came out in 1994. Shawshank Redemption came out in 1998. There was never any “competition” between them.

    Yer Hollywierd Reporter

  • So, NRO’s resident houseboy stands up and praises Ol’ Massa. And I’ll bet this would even be reason for the coward to join the Army. Of course, he – and the rest of the NR crowd of drooling halfwits – are off the hook for joining up, since the Army is prohibited from enlising the obvious psychopaths.

  • Here’s an idea: Why not ramp everything up a notch)—and start openly calling for Bu$h’s resignation? Bu$h has no combat experience; he has repeatedly fired commanders for not fawning over his failed military policies, and he has—while in the process of breaking what was once the mightiest army on the entire freaking planet—all but utterly destroyed the international standing this nation once held. He has placed the safety of every man, woman, and child of American citizenry in harm’s way.

    If he wants to play tin-pot tyrant, then by all means—let’s treat the little bipedal infestation just like a tin-pot tyrant. Start calling for his resignation.

    MR. BU$H—STEP DOWN !!!

  • Forrest Gump came out in 1994. Shawshank Redemption came out in 1998. There was never any “competition” between them.

    Yer Hollywierd Reporter

    Hmmm… so the Academy has a time machine that allows them to see movies in the future, and they choose to blow their cover by nominating Shawshank for Oscars four years before it came about? I knew those Hollywood types were powerful, but I didn’t realize they had this much power.

    You don’t happen to work for the Bush Administration by any chance? If you don’t, you really should. You’ve definitely shown a propensity for their most valued skillset, an ability to deny reality.

    http://awardsdatabase.oscars.org/ampas_awards/DisplayMain.jsp?curTime=1178134930329

  • Russ Feingold just announced that he won’t support a watered down ‘benchmark bill’. I support his thought process. Go Russ!

  • Also if, as Dana P complained, the Dems held up the bill a day or two so its passage would coincide with the 4th anniversary of “Mission Accomplished,” then I say hell yeah! It’s about time we kicked some symbolic ass like that. It’s a slick move from the enemy’s playbook. And, by God, it works for me!!! — chrenson, at 13

    So, last night late, I get a mass-email from Speaker Pelosi; must have been sent within hours of Bu[ll]$h[it]’s veto. She’s taken Perino’s complaint and turned it around:

    “The President isn’t listening to the American people’s call to end this disastrous war. What further proof do they need than the timing of his veto? The President vetoed our bill that would end this war and bring our troops home the week of the fourth anniversary of his infamous “Mission Accomplished” speech that declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq. Four years after that misguided speech, the President keeps making the same mistakes in Iraq.”

    Gotta love the woman! At the same time, he could have held up the veto till today, and at least *pretend* to give the bill some thought. He hasn’t, so he’s exposed himself to just this attack and made it easier for her. The presidential fumbduck…

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