The presidential candidate voters don’t know much about (no, not that one)

The conventional wisdom is that voters are still getting to know Barack Obama. John McCain is a known quantity, who’s been part of the political establishment for more than a quarter-century, but Obama is still fairly new to the political stage. There may be a discomfort/unfamiliarity factor for Obama to overcome.

The NYT’s Bob Herbert makes a very compelling case today that Americans may not know Obama’s rival as well as they think they do.

[W]hat we’ve learned over the years is that Mr. McCain is one of those guys who never has to pay much of a price for his missteps and foul-ups and bad behavior. Can you imagine the firestorm of outrage and criticism that would have descended on Senator Obama if he had made the kind of factual mistakes that John McCain has repeatedly made in this campaign?

(Or if Senator Obama had had the temerity to even remotely suggest that John McCain would consider being disloyal to his country for political reasons?)

We have a monumental double standard here. Mr. McCain has had trouble in his public comments distinguishing Sunnis from Shiites and had to be corrected in one stunningly embarrassing moment by his good friend Joe Lieberman. He has referred to a Iraq-Pakistan border when the two countries do not share a border.

He declared on CBS that Iraq was the first major conflict after 9/11, apparently forgetting — at least for the moment — about the war in Afghanistan. In that same interview, he credited the so-called surge of U.S. forces in Iraq with bringing about the Anbar Awakening, a movement in which thousands of Sunnis turned on insurgents. He was wrong. The awakening preceded the surge.

More important than these endless gaffes are matters that give us glimpses of the fundamental makeup of the man.

It’s one of the reasons I, over the last several months, started compiling lists of McCain’s policy reversals and areas of confusion. The perception is that McCain is a competent “maverick” who values consistency and knows a lot about foreign policy. The reality, if one bothers to take a look, is that the conventional wisdom about McCain is almost entirely backwards.

Or, as Herbert put it, “How much do voters really know about John McCain?”

Looking at the evidence, we see an ill-tempered curmudgeon who shifts with the political winds, is easily confused, and abandons principles whenever it suits his purposes.

Herbert emphasized the fact that McCain is just an angry man.

If the McCain gaffes seem endless, so do the tales about his angry, profanity-laced eruptions. Senator Thad Cochran, a Mississippi Republican, said of Mr. McCain: “The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”

Senator Pete Domenici, a New Mexico Republican, told Newsweek in 2000: “I decided I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.” […]

My guess is that most voters don’t see John McCain as an angry candidate, despite several very public lapses. The mythical John McCain is an affable, straight-talking, moderately conservative war hero who is an expert on foreign policy.

Barack Obama is not the only candidate the voters need to know more about.

We talked the other day about the election turning into a referendum on Obama. Republicans no doubt hope so, because if it’s a referendum on McCain, the results probably wouldn’t be close.

A great piece, and hopefully timed to be effective. We’ll see if the media wakes up.

  • Or, as Herbert put it, “How much do voters really know about John McCain?”

    Precisely as much as they’re told by organs like CBS, which is too bad. We’re at the point where it’s easier to change the government than the Master Narrative.

  • What would happen if Obama made the same gaffes that McCain made? 24/7 coverage, dissected every which way from Sunday.

    AND, talk about whether it was a “campaign ending event.”

  • Wasn’t it just a week or two ago, you were asking about McCain’s nogood, horrible,reallybad week and if it should be a campaign ender or at least a game changer, Steve? How would you rate this past week with that one? It seems to me fewer surrogates had to be pulled back or disowned this week, but Obama had an incredibly great week overseas, and CBS covered two humongulous gaffes for McCain. Can you do a side by side comparison of those two McCain bad weeks, or pull a Jon Stewart and do a side-by-side of Obama’s and JohnnyMac’s week? Would be interesting to see.

  • Kudos to CB. As we all know, Steve Benen has been weeks or months ahead of Herbert on the media’s double-standard with regard to gaffes, reversals and confusion. Given McCain’s background, years of experience and messaging in this campaign, one would think that the media would hold him to a higher standard (if anyone) on such matters, not the other way around.

    In fact, it appears that the traditional media is bending over backwards to make sure that they can carry McCain into the White House on their shoulders without any regard for objectivity.

    The election coverage has been, to say the least, frustrating.

  • Following up…here’s a subheader currently on the front page at NYTimes.com: “Barack Obama’s overseas trip has fueled the questions his critics have used to try to undercut him: whether he is arrogant and taking his election for granted.”

    Thanks to the liberal (so they say) New York Times for giving front-page coverage to utter bullshit coming from the far right and their media enablers. Pathetic!

  • It’s kind of interesting, given Ye Olde Rift between traditional media and the blogs, how it’s hard to tell whether you’re giving a breakdown of what Herbert wrote, or whether he’s giving a breakdown of what the blogosphere has been pointing out… guess it doesn’t matter what the order, so long as the grievances are aired, and find an audience. Appreciate the effort you’ve been putting in on the flips, flops, and gaffes of McCain, and just hope op-ed writers find the sense to crib from your work. In a similar vein to this post, here’s my semi-psychedelic attempt to go after the myth of McCain’s foreign policy awesomeness.

  • Of course Herbert, a black man, is going to bash McCain and support Barack Hussein Obama. Herbert would rather his country lose two wars than see his black b rother lose a race for the Presidency.

  • everyone should read the excellent article on Talking Points Memo, it is written by Gary Cohen, it is very informative, gives you everything you need to know about ‘The Surge’

  • Oh JakeD, I know I’m supposed to avoid arguments on the internet.

    Pico over at Salon said it hilariously best: “Arguing on the internet is like being in the Special Olympics; even if you win you’re still retarded”

    Your #9 comment is however seeded with racism and simply foolish as well. I’m a white guy, I’ll say whatever it takes to get Barack Obama elected. Bomb diffused. You might try arguments based on the merits of your choice for president, you’ll get a lot more respect from me although you appear not to desire any with statement like your’s.

    Just saying, what’s good about John McCain again?

  • It’s getting more and more difficult to “know” who John McCain is, or what he stands for. He has come down with an attack of the “whatvers”

    John will say whatever and do whatever it takes to get elected.

  • “How much do voters really know about John McCain?”

    Oh, let’s see now—enough to know that they wouldn’t trust him to pump out the business end of a porta-potty? That they wouldn’t trust him to drive a slowblower on their sidewalk?

    Enough to know that he wouldn’t be worth Larry Craig’s time, trying to pick up in an airport men’s room?

    I mean, just look at the guy—he’s a walking Quaalude receptacle, he’s goofier than Rudi the GhoulChild, slower than Unaware Fred, more whacked out than Paul, and flipflops more than a just-landed barracuda in a rowboat. He cost the US Navy more planes than were claimed by the majority of NVA antiaircraft and SAM batteries—combined. He was part-n-parcel to the Keating Five disaster, the ethics meltdown in the Senate, and the surrender of the United States Constitution to the terrorists—courtesy of our “friendly neighborhood GOP.”

    If there is such a thing as “a self-inflicted can of whop-ass,” then John McCain serves as the prototype. He doesn’t just “equal” another four years of Bush; he’s much, much worse—because unlike Bush, McCain doesn’t give a god-freaking damn about “legacy.” If he did, he’d have stayed aboard his crippled plane, picked out a juicy target, and “flown a final Banzai….”

  • The interesting thing to ponder is this: Now that McCain has thrown a tantrum and attacked “his base”, the media, is there a chance they will turn on him and finally start reporting the truth? After all, beyond integrity, ratings, or money, the thing that seems to drive The Village more than anything is vanity.

    They’ve covered for him for two decades and now he has the audacity to whine about unfair treatment? That might just be the moment the McCain campaign really lost the election.

  • John McCain pledged to run “a respectful campaign.” If asked to explain his latest antics he would explain that everyone should be respectful of him. The other guy? Not so much.

  • JakeD, of course the media is going to support John McCain, a white man, they’d rather see the US in debt to the tune of $4 trillion than to admit that the black man has better judgment. So far the surge has cost a thousand soldiers lives and $21.6 billion in taxes on our children, how much will McCain’s “victory”cost?

  • Now that McCain has thrown a tantrum and attacked “his base”, the media, is there a chance they will turn on him and finally start reporting the truth? — Bernard HP Gilroy, @15

    Nope. In case you haven’t noticed, they’ve taken the rebuke seriously and repented by adjusting their sights accordingly: they’re attacking Obama harder than before, while giving McCain almost unconditional love.

  • The media wants a close race, but they also want to maintain the illusion of impartiality. If McCain starts to surge(!) in the polls, he’ll get more scrutiny for a seemingly minor gaffe or misstatement. Until then, he’ll keep getting the free pass.

  • McCain is a time bomb ready to blow and when he does, the media will not be able to coverup for him, for the nation and the world will see what he is really is and when he blows, it will be a super scary thing to see. PTSD, the pressure of the campaine and the stress will insure that it will happen. We are seeing signs of it this week, and it will only get worse for McCain as the debates appoach. I hope that I am wrong, but as a former Social Worker, I see the signs of a coming breakdown McCain if he dosen’t get his anger under control and get help fast. There are too many forces McCain has to juggle and it is going to be too much and he is a very high rise for a emotional breakdown.

  • SteeleWhirlWind @ 21 :

    McCain is a time bomb ready to blow and when he does…

    Quite possibly.

    All the septuagenarians I know have lost the care to moderate their opinions.
    With very little prodding they readily speak their “truths.” They are ossified by biases and don’t give a damn if you think they are crazy. It’s very rare to find a 70 year old who is still rational and capable of suspending judgment until more facts are in. Mostly…. they reveal a “hardening of the categories” to go with their “hardening of the arteries.” You can’t teach an old dog new tricks. That’s venerable folk wisdom that isn’t about dogs at all. A 70 year old that still has critical thinking skills is a very rare bird indeed….

    So you may be right in your supposition.
    McCain is primed and pumped. Which is to say: there is no prick like an old prick who knows everything and thinks he has done everything. Even better: McCain’s ego is ginormous. He’s a powder keg of ugly old man shit waiting to blow…

  • There are too many forces McCain has to juggle and it is going to be too much and he is a very high rise for a emotional breakdown.
    Interesting idea. A science fiction writer whose name eludes me once raised the idea of “temporal bandwidth.” The idea was that some people allocate most of their attention to the present, some to the past, and others to the future. McCain formed his worldview back in the Cold War days of the Seventies and he doesn’t seem to have moved on. His temporal bandwidth is parked almost four decades ago. He still states that the war in Vietnam could have been won. So much for his military expertise. McCain seems convinced that all of those who oppose us in the ME from the stateless terrorists, to the multitudinous factions with their own agendas, to the religious zealots, to the narco warlords of Afghanistan, will lay down their AK-47’s on the deck of the USS Missouri if we simply expend enough ordnance.
    It ain’t that simple, John. Not by half. It would be even less simple for a president who doesn’t appreciate the differences between Shia and Sunni or for one who believes that Pakistan and Iraq share a common border.

  • A 70 year old that still has critical thinking skills is a very rare bird indeed…. — Rolling, @22

    I pity you for the company you seem to keep 🙂

    Because my husband is 25yrs my senior (and I’m no spring chicken, @ nearly 59) I know *a lot* of people over 70, yet have never observed this mental decrepitude that you have — descending on them, out of the blue — at that age.

    It’s true that the elderly tend to say what they mean with less self restraint; they feel their time might be running out and they’re reluctant to waste a lot of it worrying about what others will think of them (with the Joneses dead, why worry about keeping up with them?) And it’s true that, to a great extent, they tend to get “set in their ways” and resent changes…

    But it’s only those who were *dim to begin with* who seem to get even dimmer with age (because they speak with less caution and more loudly). OTOH… Those who were smart to begin with, who took the trouble to exercise their brains throughout their lifetimes, seem to keep their faculties much longer, unless struck by something like Alzheimer’s.

    So, sure, I know some people in their seventies and eighties who sound like morons. But they sounded like morons 35yrs ago, when I first met them. What (if not how) they said sounded as stupid then, as it does now. Stupidity is not a function of age per se.

  • I find it intensely interesting that the Constitution discriminates against the young; explicitly forbidding those under 35 from being president. Why? Because they aren’t “seasoned” enough. How interesting it is that the forefathers didn’t discriminate in the the other direction. Why is that? Why didn’t they put a clause in there banning 2X35 year olds from being president? My guess: Back then presidential decision making moved at a snail’s pace. It was a smaller slower world. Old farts could manage it. And besides, how many lived to 70 anyway? Only the rare birds.

    Now? A 70 year old president?
    Shit.
    Sorry.
    There isn’t a 70 year old up to the task. Period.

    Truly, we ought to stop calling him McSame and start calling him MaGoo.
    Because that what he is: An old fart hopelessly over matched by the demands of the office. And just like Magoo… he can’t see 10 feet into the future ahead of him.

    Libra…
    I understand your point, but if I may alter Cormac McCarthy a tad: This is No Office for Old Men.

    The still-smart old men know that….
    I bet your husband is still keen enough to realize his limitations…
    McGooper? Not a chance.

  • “A 70 year old that still has critical thinking skills is a very rare bird indeed….”

    My father, who turned 71 this year still has plenty left to give in the critical thinking department. He still assists me when I have a problem with my business. He and I have amazing conversations about religion, politics, etc. He is an ordained minister and can hold his own with any one when it comes to religion.

    Age is not a determining factor in critical thinking or ability, otherwise we would take all drivers licenses from anyone over the age of 70.

  • Mark (#26) wrote:

    Age is not a determining factor in critical thinking or ability, otherwise we would take all drivers licenses from anyone over the age of 70.

    I don’t disagree with your point, but I don’t think the driving analogy analogy is the way to go. I was pretty much always on the fence about seniors driving, but about two months ago I was rear ended by an 89 year old while I was stopped, waiting for a red light to change. I haven’t really learned anything about what happened(poor guy was rushed to the hospital and the last I heard was in some sort of physical rehab facility), but I’m guessing he hit the gas instead of the brake or had an attack of some kind–it came out that he had had a stroke several years ago.

    I am now firmly in the camp of mandatory testing of drivers over 65 or 70. The brain may be there, but the physical reflexes definitely deteriorate with age.

    I also know quite a few septuagenarians and octogenarians who are sharper than a razor, but I would still want to make sure they are physically up to the challenge of driving before I would let them behind the wheel of a car.

  • Bravo, we all could stand and applaud to this article, McCain should be taken off stage and fired.

    CJ said it well too

    “In fact, it appears that the traditional media is bending over backwards to make sure that they can carry McCain into the White House on their shoulders without any regard for objectivity.”

    If at anytime in my life it is now that I see the inversion were the Media is complicit in the coruption in politics, actually the largest cause for Americas dysfunctional social mess.

    The Carptbaggers and Steve need to remind us all that “the dice maybe loaded”.

  • The Grand Old Poobahs would have us go from a legacy Yale grad to a legacy Naval Acadamy grad. Both of these men share the arrogance of entitlement. Recently, Conservatives have been promoting the idea of “American Exceptionalism” while critizing Obama as an ‘elitist’. The BS PR spin never stops.
    And has anyone stopped to consider that McSame got shot down because he was an inadequet pilot who shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
    A number of years ago an elderly gentleman whom I admire for his insight and thoughtfulness said, “Growing old isn’t for the faint of heart, and if you were a horse’s rearend at twenty, chance were you’d be the same at eighty”.

  • Why do the American people especially the old and affluante from old money fear the middle class and poor. Most about 90% are Republican. Who is reaping the benefit of the high oil prices right now? Certainly no the middle class and poor who are paying for it. Do you not know that Pres Bush the 1st is the CEO of the third largest arms dealing Co> in the world and that their family comes from Texas. “OIL” and that they have a warm heart in the Saudie family. Some movies tell you how it really is when it comes to the Poor and the Waelthy. The only rich person I know that has gone over and above what they should is “BILL GATES. ” Check out the percentage of donations bewteen the bush family and the GATES familty. The Bush’s can S##K A##.

  • We as a traditonal society need to band together and show the Congress and Senate we mean busines. Its not about who gets elected but what they do whith it afterwards. Bill Clinton was a great Pres. Forget about Louinskey All Pres. have a mistress in office. All Politicians are crooked Repub/Dem doesn’t matter does it? Who is really being conned during each Pres Election? Bush stole two in a row, now the Repubs are going to lose to Obama so sad boo hoo. The middle class survived and prospered during Clinton, now we all dye within the hands of the old rich Repubs.

  • Apparently (Sunday column in NYT) Maureen Dowd accompanied Obama — on his campaign plane (there goes the meme about his not being accessible) — and interviewed him during the Paris-to-London segment. Among other things, she asked what he thought the response to his well-publicised international travels would be in Steubenville, Ohio.

    He really *is* as smart as could be (and I bet he’ll be smart at 80, too). Without actually saying that Steubenville will “think” whatever the press tells them to think, he went directly to the heart of the matter and condensed it perfectly:

    We had a good week. That always inspires the press to knock me down a peg.

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    Michael W, @27

    Agree, entirely. Age *does* rob one of fast physical reflexes much more than of the mental acuity. Something about the spirit being willing but the flesh being weak? But the physical disintegration begins around 20 or so, long before the mind even finished growing.

  • This scurrilous attack was put out by the McCain team in 3 markets this evening. I think they want to drive the Sunday talking heads shows with it. They can’t afford MTP or any of the other shows to be talking about Obama’s excellent trip overseas. So, with Rove’s help, they go here. Republicans are the seeping, pistulant boil on the ass of the body politic. I can’t tell you how much this disgusts me.

    Obama’s campaign needs to remember they are in McCain’s OODA loop ( Thanks Ed Stephans) And that John McCain has talked before about how people shouldn’t use the troops (as he is now doing) for political gain. And they need to remember that effing media ho, Andrea Mitchel, already gave Obama a pass on this Kuwaiti “meet the troops ” event, when she was bitching on ‘Morning Joe” because it wasn’t a real press conference at the event, with real reporters or cameramen, but it was amateur soldiers who took the footage and asked the questions.

    That pretty much refutes the charges in this ad.

  • Thanks to those who have pointed out that not all “oldsters” have lost their critical thinking skills. I have an 85-year-old aunt who is sharp as a tack, reads all kinds of heavy-duty/intellectual books, lives independently, and has a great sense of humor. She’s always been this way. If you were speaking with her on the phone you’d swear she was 40. OTOH, she no longer drives and of course is more fragile physically than a 40 year old.

    McCain keeps getting scarier and scarier. This monotonic voice he’s been using lately suggests he is trying really hard to keep himself under control. I guess. I find it extremely creepy. And the patronizing way he speaks of Obama is inexcusable and disrespectful.

  • Wasn’t McCain the one who in 1998 at a RNC event joked that Chelsea Clinton was so ugly, that Janet Reno must be her father?

  • Hannah:

    Thanks to those who have pointed out that not all “oldsters” have lost their critical thinking skills. I have an 85-year-old aunt who is sharp as a tack…

    Practicing some critical thinking:

    Where is it written above by anyone that ALL oldsters have lost their critical thinking skills?

    And I don’t doubt your aunt is every bit as sharp as you maintain. But do you think she could handle the rigors of being President in today’s world? Could she handle all the flights? Eighteen hour work days? Could she hold a 1000 different issues together in her mind? Could she meet and greet and mingle for hours at a time? For four years?

    And even if she could… are you going to commit the logical sin that since your aunt can do it… most other 80 years old can too? Or might you dare to consider that she is a rare exceptional bird?

    Sorry that thinking won’t fly.
    McCain is too old to be a good president. But none of you should worry about my drift here… Your country and its media won’t examine the issue. That Obama is too callow, too naive, too young… that’s an okay topic. That McCain can’t tie his own shoes? Can’t remember one fact from another? Not an issue….

  • It’s true McCain is getting an easy ride from the press, just like they let Bush slide for years without calling him on any of his lies and schemes. I think it’s because business is on the side of the Republicans, and business pays mass media’s bills, so they can’t alienate the people holding their money. On top of that, they’re wicked jealous of Obama’s big crowds and pretending that the media is on Obama’s side, when really the media is covering the bigger crowd because it’s the bigger story.

  • Wow… this website is like a Democratic orgy. Hilarious. Thank God most Americans aren’t living in a fantasy world like a lot of you apparently are. Pull your heads out of your rearends for some fresh air, okay?

    And, as for having a temper…. GOOD. I want the rest of the world to be scared to death of our President. I don’t want a President that is loved by the Europeans. Screw Europe. There’s a reason we left that part of the world and started our own country. When Europeans start putting their lives on the line and fighting along side our guys in combat, then I might change my tune. Till then — screw em.

  • I wonder if any of the above responders have really looked at Obama’s platform. I predict that he will destroy this nation as we know in, in less than four years. What seeps through the rhetoric to me is the fact that Obama is a classic Marxist. With a Democratic Congress behind him he will destroy the Constitution and the American nation in rapid order. So, people, what would you rather have, a socialist republic with no regard to the constitution or four to eights under a loyal American, even though he has some faults. Let’s see who he selects as Vice President before we vote in destruction!!!

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