‘The problem is this is a morally dubious man’

If there’s anywhere in the United States where Dick Cheney should be able to count on a warm welcome, it’s Utah. It’s the most solidly “red” state in the Union, with Republicans outnumbering Dems by nearly a three-to-one margin. Bush won Utah in 2004 with 71% support, easily the highest in the country.

Similarly, if there’s a single college campus in the United States where Cheney would expect to find a friendly audience, it’s Brigham Young University, a politically conservative, church-sponsored private college.

But a funny thing happened on the way to Cheney giving BYU’s commencement address.

The invitation extended to Vice President Dick Cheney to be the commencement speaker at Brigham Young University has set off a rare, continuing protest at the Mormon university, one of the nation’s most conservative.

Some of the faculty and the 28,000 undergraduate and graduate students, who are overwhelmingly Republican, have expressed concern about the Bush administration’s support for the war in Iraq and other policies, but most of the current protest has focused on Mr. Cheney’s integrity, character and behavior. Several students said, for example, that they were appalled at Mr. Cheney’s use of an expletive on the Senate floor in a June 2004 exchange with Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont.

“The problem is this is a morally dubious man,” said Andrew Christensen, a 22-year-old Republican from Salt Lake City. “It’s challenging the morality and integrity of this institution.”

Conservatives on campus — students and faculty alike — aren’t suddenly moving to the left. No, the problem for Cheney (and arguably the GOP establishment that shares the VP’s twisted values and worldview) is that BYU conservatives are principled. Having an “R” after one’s name isn’t enough to vouch for his or her character — these conservatives expect leaders to walk the walk.

And when someone falls short of their standards, they not only notice, they’re willing to say so. BYU Prof. Warner Woodworth, for example, noted Cheney’s lies about Iraq and his role in leaking the name of an undercover CIA agent in explaining why the university questions the Vice President’s integrity. “It just feels like too much sleaze and not the right values for B.Y.U.,” Woodworth said. “We espouse honesty, chastity, integrity, ethics, virtue and morality, and he does not epitomize those values.”

That’s right, “sleaze.” This is Karl Rove’s nightmare.

Reading the NYT article, the sentiment appears widespread. One student said, “I just don’t feel that Cheney represents what we want B.Y.U. to represent.” Another said Cheney’s conduct in office “just doesn’t fit” with what she had learned from the university’s mission of promoting of “integrity, character and moral development.”

“I thought commencement would be a spiritual, uplifting exercise in which I could take advice from someone I held in the highest esteem,” the student said. “It seems that was an extremely idealistic notion.”

The polls already tell us that Cheney is a political pariah practically everywhere he goes, but Andrew Sullivan is right to note that the VP’s pariah status is expanding into new territory.

The Bush administration doesn’t quite realize it yet, but the president and vice-president will, in the future, become moral pariahs to a lot of people. Not pariah in the sense of Clinton, whose sexual addiction evokes both pity and anger that he kept lying about it. And not pariah in the sense of Nixon, who committed a crime against his opponents, his office and the constitution. What the revulsion of Brigham Young students – yes, Brigham Young students – suggests is that for many of the next generation of natural Republican supporters, Bush and Cheney are moral pariahs. Their wartime deceptions, their skewing of intelligence to suit their preferences, their authorization of torture, their renditions policy, Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in a bungled war, their warrant-free wiretapping…

Cheney entered office with what most national leader crave: credibility. As far back as the 2000 campaign, Bush was the inexperienced dolt who struggled with subject-verb agreement, but Cheney was perceived as steady and experienced. He had gravitas. He spoke with authority. When Cheney said something, it was to be taken seriously.

And then the masquerade ended when the truth was impossible to conceal. Cheney is a mendacious clown with a mean streak and a record of incompetence. And even BYU knows it.

Post Script: The NYT quoted David Lassen, chairman of the BYU College Republicans, defending the VP’s appearance on campus. “No matter what you think of Cheney, he’s easily the most powerful man in the world.”

Um, David? I think you’re reading from the wrong talking points — that’s our line, not yours.

moral pariahs. that is just too sweet 🙂

  • Wow, you know you’re in Big Trouble as a Bush-ite if you’re rejected by BYU!

    By the way, does anyone out there know how to contact Rocky Anderson, mayor of SLC? My local Dem group would like to hire him to speak at a fundraiser either in the summer or fall. Would he have a speakers’ agent?

    Please contact me at my website or leave word here if you have any ideas. TIA

  • “No matter what you think…”?! From a BYU boy?

    Let’s Godwin this thing up right now:

    1940: “No matter what you think of Hitler, he’s easily the most powerful man in the world.”

    1944: “No matter what you think of Stalin, he’s easily the most powerful man in the world.”

    A long time ago: “No matter what you think of Vader, he’s easily the most powerful man in the world.”

    “No matter what you think…” Real principled stand, asshole.

  • And to think some people want Cheney to run for president.

    Even the f***ing morons don’t like him.

  • Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Cheney gives the speech and there are more protesters outside than listeners inside?

  • Holy Crap, BYU students with a knot in their special undies over a visit from Dick? Sorry, that was unecessary, but I was thrown off by what must be a sign of the End Times.

    I clicked on the link and expected a stock picture of Cheney or the campus. Not…head bands and hand-written shirts. But I wonder what Dick will do about this one. I don’t see how he can employ the usual GOP crowd-control tactics and prohibit the “trouble makers” from attending their own commencement. Mabye he’ll bring in the UTNG for a replay of Kent State. Or maybe he’ll STFU and GFH.

    Um…er….Go… Go Mormons!

  • I usually don’t recycle stuff, but this is my personal Cheney Fav filk and it seems appropriate theme for a moral pariah.

    Sympathy for the Cheney (with Apologies to the Rolling Stones)

    Please allow me to introduce myself
    I’m a man of wealth and waste
    I’ve been around for a long six years
    Stole many American bucks and faith
    While I was invoking jesus christ
    Had no moments of doubt and pain
    Made damn sure that Gonzales
    Washed his hands of attorney’s fates
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name
    But whats puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game

    I stuck around ole Walter Reed
    When I saw it was a time for a deal
    Cut taxes outsourced all the services
    Families, screamed in vain
    I shot a face
    Broke generals’ rank
    While the OIF raged
    And the bodies stank
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
    Ah, whats puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, oh yeah

    I watched with glee
    While your press and TV
    Fought for air time
    For the celebs they made
    I shouted out,
    Who killed the government?
    When after all
    It was W and me
    Let me please introduce myself
    I’m a man of wealth and waste

    And I laid traps for ambassadors
    Who got leaked before they reached Niger
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
    But whats puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
    But whats confusing you
    Is just the nature of my game
    Just as every Dem is a criminal
    And all Republicans saints
    As win is lose
    Just call me Dick Cheney
    cause I’m in need of some restraint
    So if you meet me
    Have some courtesy
    Have some sympathy, and some taste
    Use all your well-learned politesse
    Or I’ll lay your life to waste, um yeah
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
    But whats puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down

  • I’m proud of these students. They are actually doing a difficult thing – speaking flat out against someone/thing that they “should” be supporting. It’s a lot harder to do that than to speak out against Cheney standing on the Berkeley campus.

    Also, to the student who said, ““I thought commencement would be a spiritual, uplifting exercise in which I could take advice from someone I held in the highest esteem,” the student said. “It seems that was an extremely idealistic notion.”

    While you are arguably an idealist, you are definitely not wrong.

  • BYU couldn’t get enough of Cheney in 2000.

    Or 2001.

    Or 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005…and even 2006.

    I’m looking at this thing from an “out-of-the-box” perspective, and what I’m seeing is a nationally-recognized institution withdrawing support from a couple of lame ducks who have become unpopular, so they can start building up “their” candidate. There are two ways to make Romney look good; one is to make him look good, and the other is to make Bush/Cheney look bad.

    If you put two lizards next to each other, and you cover one with shit, the other one will always seem “more appealing….”

  • None of these fine upstanding moral Christians had fuck-all to say while their party held majorities in both houses.

    Now they can go get a real Christian like Tom DeLay.

    It’s hard to get excited because a minority of them have realized what even Andrew Sullivan knew several years ago . . .

    Over 50,000 people have died while these moral leaders of tomorrow were cogitating.

  • It’s hard to figure which way to take this.

    What I will say is that even though I am a liberal through and through, I don’t mind a real conservative. A conservative that puts country before their own ideals, like myself. A Conservative that doesn’t need to lie and cheat in order to make their own ideals seem reasonable and achievable.

    My point is no one knows whether these students are backing away from Cheney because he is a scum bag or because he is an albatross. Either way, let’s hope that these students are serous about integrity, it would be a pleasant and welcomed surprise from the conservative movement.

  • Not pariah in the sense of Clinton,

    Sullivan is such a one-dimensional tool. Nobody treats Clinton like a pariah – he’s treated like a rock star whereever he goes. Cheney or Bush could only with that they get anywhere near the same adulation or attention after they leave office. It’ll never happen.

  • The principled BYU students are fools if they think the GOP gives a damn what they think. Today’s GOP and Cheney deserve each other. It’s fun to watch what happens when the Democrat Party and the American people shake off their collective torpor and come to life at long last.

  • Both Bush and Cheney will have to stay inside their rural bunkers after they leave office. Many of us can throw tomatoes long distances.

  • I’m a BYU alumnus. Let’s not get carried away with how “principled” they are.

    I’ll bet folks here $5 that many of the conservative BYU students were more offended by Cheney’s dropping of the F-bomb to Leahy more than his lying to support a war that’s killed untold numbers of innocents in Iraq. That’s the kind of weirdness that goes on at BYU, a place I loved very much, and hated too.

    It’s kind of weird that the Mormon fixation with “standards” often focuses on easily identified behavior that doesn’t measure up (swearing, for instance, or possibly being a liberal). But being a deceitful schmuck is a little more gray area and not quite as easy to identify –and that gets it a pass.

    For what it’s worth, in 1990, that congressional district elected Democrat Bill Orton largely because of a negative ad the Republican ran mocking Orton’s bachelor status.

    Negative, character assassinations aren’t as effective in Utah as elsewhere.
    This is the one state that voted down term limits when all the other states were passing them.

    Untold number of times I heard the LDS dogma that, “Contention is the work of the devil”. Unlike the rest of America, Utahns have a little guilt applied to them when they argue with invective, and this keeps some things in check.

  • ScottW writes: What I will say is that even though I am a liberal through and through, I don’t mind a real conservative. A conservative that puts country before their own ideals, like myself.

    Really? You think it’s wise to put country before your own ideals? Isn’t that how we end up in the kind of mess we’re in in Iraq and elsewhere? Plenty of people abandoned their ideals (if they ever had any) to follow these clowns into a war of aggression. Time for a priority check, Scott.

  • I have to agree with ‘david’. This is more about profanity than anything else.

    Which reminds me of an ironic little situation I found myself in with my Charismatic Christian father the last time he came to visit me.

    I was watching The Daily Show and someone made a “Cheney joke” that ended with the phrase “go yourself”. Though the word was bleeped, my father immediately got on his Christian high-horse and began railing about how immoral this generation is.

    It was of no use that I explained that (Jason Jones, I believe) was quoting the Vice President that *he* had voted for, that it was all done for a laugh anyway (and wasn’t intended to hurt anyone as was Cheney’s intent) and that I and millions of other Americans need to laugh simply because what we’ve seen happen over the last 6 years is just so horrifying.

    This is what perplexes me the most about my father and the “Christians” who show their piety by watching which words they use, what clothes they wear, which music they listen to and for whom they vote, all the while ignoring honesty, integrity, forgiveness, humility and amity.

    When it’s all said and done, there is absolutely no resemblance between the pious, self-righteous zealot and the savior who’s name they invoke to justify their hypocrisy. On the contrary, he spent a great deal of time rebuking this kind of ritual purity.

  • I have to say that this does sound like the Mormons withdrawing their support in such a way as to promote their guy – Romney.

    If we ever let a representative of the Church of Stepford into the White House, we are going to be even more truly fucked than we have been these past 7 years.

  • Sure it’s an embarrasment for them that Cheney is a liar, crook, and fraud and so much more… It took 6 years for them to realize it?

    Either way they’re still voting Republican in the future elections, they’re just ashamed that the current crop has shown to be so bad that even they can’t ignore it any longer.

  • “conservative BYU students were more offended by Cheney’s dropping of the F-bomb”

    “It took them 6 years to realize it”

    “withdrawing their support in such a way as to promote their guy – Romney”

    None of these is really accurate, given that the fundamental assumption behind them seems to be that it is consevatives who are now turning against Cheney. BYU is a conservative university no doubt (the county where it is located only voted 11% for Kerry!)

    BUT the protest was organized by the BYU College Democrats club. They’ve hated Cheney’s guts from the start. While a handful of otherwise conservative students participated in the protest (I’ve seen about 3 “Republican against Cheney” type signs), it was really the liberals who are doing this.

    The emotional impetus behind the protest was that they are tired of people not realizing they exist (as liberal Mormons and as liberal BYU students). Not so much that the world doesn’t realize they exist (as exhibited by the comments in this thread), although that is no doubt also annoying. But that other people at their own school typically refuse to acknowledge they exist. This is their moment to proclaim to their peers and to the world, “We’re here! We’re liberal! Get used to it!” or as it said in one sign, “Faithful Utah Mormons Against Cheney”

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