The problem with comparing Obama to Tiger Woods

At a pro-war rally in DC yesterday, hosted by a conservative group called Vets for Freedom, John McCain received an interesting introduction from one of the group’s founders.

The key quote, of course, was David Bellavia saying, “Rest assured that people like Senator McCain will be the goal and the men that my two young boys will emulate an admire. You can have your Tiger Woods. We have Senator McCain.”

The overwhelmingly white crowd assembled at the event seemed to think this was a powerful and amusing thing to say. I’m trying to think of a non-racist explanation for the comment, but I’m afraid nothing comes to mind.

As David Kurtz noted, “It’s Masters Week, but what does Tiger Woods have to do with this?”

There are a few angles to this. First, Bellavia is not just a random conservative McCain fan; he’s actually a Republican candidate for Congress, running for Tom Reynolds’ open seat in upstate New York.

Second, McCain was standing right there for Bellavia’s comments, and hasn’t distanced himself from them. (Indeed, he hugged Bellavia after his introduction.)

And third, the media’s reaction to this is, well, a little varied.

After checking Nexis, it appears only two television news programs mentioned the Woods comparison. Keith Olbermann’s “Countdown” highlighted the quote, and spoke to Georgetown sociology professor Michael Eric Dyson about the odd, unwarranted comparison.

Dyson, I believe accurately, called the Bellavia comments “pretty ridiculous.”

“I guess one multi-racial black man is interchangeable with another. I think it indicates that the Republicans in broad stroke, and Mr. McCain in particular, have a huge problem with black people. This kind of at least racial insensitivity suggests that there is something disturbing going on here and that they can’t even make a distinction about who the right opponent is of Mr. McCain. […]

If there was no specific and particular and conscious intent to do harm, that means that this grows out of a pattern of habit that is just a natural reflex, and that one interchangeable African-American multi-racial person is as good as the other or they’re indistinguishable. And I think, at that level, it’s probably pretty problematic. The consequence here is much worse than one’s discernible intent. […]

“As great a man as Senator John McCain is, when one thinks about the climate and environment that Tiger Woods operates in, that he has produced in this country, one could only aspire toward that excellence in one’s own field. So it is hard to conclude that anything else was meant but a kind of veiled reference to race.”

The only other show to cover the story was Chris Matthews’ “Hardball,” which offered a very different perspective.

The general consensus, the talking heads said, is that it’s “no harm, no foul,” because Tiger Woods is great at golf.

Consider the quote again: “Rest assured that people like Senator McCain will be the goal and the men that my two young boys will emulate an admire. You can have your Tiger Woods. We have Senator McCain.”

In other words, don’t admire the ethnically diverse golfer who reminds this guy of Barack Obama.

Am I the only one who finds this offensive?

Could be it’s not a racist remark at all. Could be it’s merely a crazy remark. Crazy Republicans outnumber racist Republican — but I’m not sure by how much…

  • At a pro-war rally in DC yesterday,

    The fact that there is even any such thing that can be called a “pro-war rally” shows exactly how fncked up the U.S. is.

  • Spare some pity for racists these days. They’re having to be so crypto that their own slurs make no sense even to themselves.

  • No, Steve, you are not the only one that finds it offensive. I found it rather offensive and also out and out silly in the HUH? kind of way. There was no point to it at all. They were disparaging Woods and by ways of omission, Obama, and a backhanded slap to any person of colorl

    Whatever…de rigeur. Not a day goes by where there isn’t someone saying something stupid. Goopers just say offensively stupid stuff…and demand apologies from anyone and everyone else. Do as I say and all.

  • I don’t even understand it. Why wouldn’t you want to be compared to Tiger Woods if you are a Democrat? That is really dumb because lately, Tiger Woods has been steamrolling the competition

  • I’m not easily offended, but that comment really sours on me. It would be fine if there was ANY comparison between Tiger Woods and Obama besides their mixed race. But there isn’t. So the only reasonable parsing of the guy’s comments are: “You can have your mixed race guy, we have John McCain”. That’s plain-vanilla racism.

  • Isn’t it possible that the speaker had heard this from Obama supporter James Hoffa?

    “With regard to his race, he’s African American. I know he’s of mixed race, but, you know, he’s like a Tiger Woods. He’s just a great person that’s really excited a lot of people. We’re not detecting a lot of discussion about his religion or his race here.”

    One could charitably assume that the message is that Obama is as excellent at politics as Tiger Woods is at golf.

  • We can have our Tiger Woods? . . . Great! – the Tiger Woods of presidential candidates is – Barack Obama (superior performance.) . . . Let’s see, the George W.Bush of presidential candidates is – John McCain (casual and uninformed performance) . . .

    Since this is now getting to be fun . . . The David Duke of congressional candidates is – David Bellavia (racist performance.) . . . The Roger Clemens of presidential candidates is – Hillary Clinton (lie and never give up performance.)

  • I think it is ridiculous to find this offensive. It’s not like he is being compared to Idi Amin.
    Tiger is a young good looking athlete who is not only the most well known golfer in the nation, but arguably the most well known golfer in the world who has a following like no other. It is hard not to like Tiger.

    Obama has compared himself to likes of JFK and Abe Lincoln. Someone else comparing to Obama to one of the best characters in the world is a compliment as well.

    However, someone has to jump and overanalyze this statement. I would not expect it any other way.

  • An arrogant racial statement is what we have come to expect from these people. I would like Obama no matter if he was green, yellow, red, or pure white. These people just don’t get it: it is not his color, it is the man. Obama puts into practice McCain’s so called philosophy/issue of campain finance reform. That must be embarrasing for all of them, since Obama is doing what they can only pay lip service to. So what do they do? Throw in race.

  • As usual, Obama supporters get up in arms if anyone besides Mr. Silver Forked Tongue mentions race. Is Obama a biracial man or not, just like Tiger Woods? And has Obama not “played through,” jumping ahead of the candidate who has earned the right to head the Democratic ticket, just like Tiger Woods has rudely stepped all over the older, more experienced golfers who never got their chance at the titles because of Tiger’s selfish me-first attitude?

  • Why not compare Obama to a great white politician? There are certainly many of those to go around. For example, many have compared Obama to Robert Kennedy or John F. Kennedy. Why is Obama compared to a black athlete?

  • This comment may actually been rather well thought out or, at least, it may show rather good political instincts on Bellavia’s part.

    From my experience here in Pennsyltucky, Tiger is resented by many whites for dominating a game that had been for years the last professional sport with very few blacks and none at the top. David Bellavia was likely taking in, not too well encrypted code, to these people, by tacitly drawing the parallel between Tiger and Obama. The district he is running for congress in, NY-26, is largely rural and, if it is anything like rural Pennsylvania, it is loaded with people well equipped to decode the statement.

  • Insane Fake Professor:

    Is it true that golf — like the Obama campaign — is misogynistic? That the act of moving balls around a fertile field, putting them in holes, and then moving on to another conquest is, ultimately, a not so subtle act of vaginophobia?

  • Crazy Republicans outnumber racist Republican — but I’m not sure by how much… -Roddy McCorley

    I believe there is a significant overlap in that Venn diagram.

    Not a successful slam, though. Tiger Woods is the greatest golfer that ever lived. Does that mean Obama would be the greatest President ever? Fine. Sign me up.

    Obama has compared himself to likes of JFK and Abe Lincoln. Someone else comparing to Obama to one of the best characters in the world is a compliment as well. -Manny from Miami

    If someone had said, “Obama reminds me of Woods because they both excel at what they do,” then no one would have a problem with it. But that’s not what they said, and you’re being obtuse and contrary for the sake of disagreeing with the reality based commenters and Steve.

    Tell me how you think that statement was meant in any way to be a compliment to either Woods or Obama? It maligns them both.

  • Also, as a follow-up:

    When you lived in Chicago in the 1930s, and it was 6,000% black, what was the percentages of mixed-race people, like Tiger Woods and Barack Obama?

    Were they scary, too? Or only half-scary?

  • Is it true that golf — like the Obama campaign — is misogynistic? -TR

    Well, the ladies do get closer tee boxes.

  • Actually, I think it should be FIP rather than IFP.

    Hmm. The original inspiration is really insane and a fake professor, so maybe the satirical version should be FIFP?

  • It’s stupid and racist. I’d love to hear the Bloviator try to explain the comment without sounding like a racist and/or an idiot.

  • Insane Fake Professor, I like you but I still miss Mary

    Who?

    TR, you can laugh and point and denigrate, because that is what men do when women speak truth to power, but yes, your analogy is actually a good one. Like the groundskeeper who stays behind to clean up after the irresponsible boys have their fun all over the course and then leave, Hillary will be here to clean up the Democratic Party after Mr. Long Drive has to drop out over the Wright scandal.

  • It seems to me a clumsy remark by a stumbling speaker. Presumably what he was trying to say is that while kids tend to revere sports figures, John McCain is a “true hero”, one who’s actually sacrificed in the service of his country. The fact that he chose Tiger Woods as his exemplar of faux heroes is probably either sly or Freudian, but not, IMHO, racist. And, as other comments have pointed out, it’s pretty dumb to equate your opponent to Tiger Woods. But his intended point seems not to be white man vs. brown man, it’s an attempt to build a rhetoric vs. reality, flash vs. substance frame. To make an issue of this is to play into the hands of those who want to label Obama as the chip on his shoulder black candidate, always looking for the hidden insult.

  • That’s pure Yellow Elephant Macaca right there. It’s obviously a racial comparison. If it was a political comparison he would say “You can have your [insert white politician], we’ve got John McCain”. And/or why didn’t he use Obama’s name? Are they so scared that they can’t say it?

    Someone should go talk to that knucklehead and see what he meant by his comment, and ask him a few more questions just to see how loony he is on any number of other issues. I’ll bet there’s a lot more material where that came from.

    The ironic thing is the avid worship that wingnut exhibits towards the old guy who thinks that we should be willing to stay in Iraq for 100 years, and who thinks it’s really funny to joke about starting another war which would almost certainly require the draft to be reinstated. I’d love to ask that kid if he’s going to enlist to fight like his war hero or let other people fight it.

  • What is not being mentioned is Senator Graham’s cover up response immediately after the introduction. That makes it clear about the racist attitude.

  • Hmm. I think the most charitable interpretation would be that he was not referring to Obama at all. He wanted to say something like “John McCain is a greater hero than any of the great athletes that are normally considered heros in our culture.” In that context, he would just be referring to Tiger Woods as an example of such a sports hero, the most prominent one he could think of. Indeed, I don’t know that there is any other American sports hero that you could reasonably substitute in that statement and have it make sense to people. In America at least, Tiger is ndisputably the most widely admired athlete of the newest generation. For sure, there would still be some questionable assumptions implicit in that kind of statement but, looked at from that angle, its not as blatantly racist as it first appears to be.

  • Upstate NY Republicans are morons? Sorry, this is not “breaking news.”

    Watching bozos too stupid to know they are bozos act out in public is amusing. What isn’t amusing is to realize how many morons there are out there.

  • doubtful

    if someone had said, “Obama reminds me of Woods because they both excel at what they do,” then no one would have a problem with it.

    Well at a rally for John McCain I doubt someone would come out and say that exact phrase. You know if Obama’s campaign were to say “Obama is a the Tiger Woods of the political arena” no one would give a rats ass. So in this sense it is not considered the least bit offensive. Now you have someone else make the comparison and now it is suddenly offensive.

    Funny, for a campaign that prides itself to be above race; it seems that people talk more about it than anything else.

  • Funny, for a campaign that prides itself to be above race; it seems that people talk more about it than anything else

    Doubtful is part of the Obama campaign?

    Can you get me some bumper stickers?

  • All this incident showd you is that you have to stick with the script if your IQ is below the mean.

    There is no way you can parse this statement to be favorable to John McCain in spite of the knee jerk response of the audience. How many of the audience own Buicks or Tiger Woods/Nike equipment? How many earned $140 million their first year out? How many of them said to themselves “is John McCain that successful?” and chose Tiger Woods instead?

    And it is not fair to say that Obama and Woods have nothing in common other than mixed race heritage. They are both very bright, both went to elite schools and both are hugely successful in their chosen fields. (And both have a great chance of winning the next big match.)

    One can use this incident to demonstrate a point of view, but the winner appears to be Tiger Woods with David Bellavia finishing last.

  • brent, I’d say you’ve got to make a pretty deep backbend to put that interpretation on it. If he was really making the argument that the sports figures we revere aren’t the real heroes (a viewpoint that is demonstrably more common among Democrats than Republicans, who frequently take the knee-jerk “but the market will bear it” argument about sports salaries as compared to, say, compensation for teaching or firefighting), there are many more direct ways to make that statement. And, more importantly, there are lots of great sports examples other than…what a coinkidink, the biracial guy.

    I suspect rege (16) has summed it up pretty accurately.

  • manny from miami @ 10, here’s where you come across looking foolish (as well as the dolts on hardball and any one else utilizing the “What? Tiger’s awesome, who WOULDN’T want to be compared to him?” argument):

    Bellavia said: “Rest assured that people like Senator McCain will be the goal and the men that my two young boys will emulate an admire. You can have your Tiger Woods. We have Senator McCain.”

    First of all, why bring up Tiger Woods in the context of a political speech? It’s kinda dumb, unless he talked about Woods earlier in his speech, which I’ve heard no evidence that he did.

    Second of all, he’s saying McCain will be the man his boys will admire. YOU can have your Tiger Woods. In other words, there’s nothing about Woods (and again, why bring him up at all?) for his sons to admire, but there is plenty about McCain to admire. if he’s equating (or worse, simply confusing) Woods with Obama, he’s telling everyone at the rally that there’s nothing about Obama to admire either. Fine, it’s a political rally, but again, he’s not being complimentary to either Woods (if THAT’S who he meant to talk about) OR Obama (if THAT’S who he meant to talk about).

    And McCain, who has tried to be at least a wee bit gracious about his Democratic competition, embraced the man for his words. Considering the constant demands for Obama to denounce every inflammatory comment his pastor ever uttered, it seems odd that McCain did nothing to distance himself from what is either a: a personal attack on Woods OR Obama, or b: a racial attack on Woods AND Obama.

    People will cackle and claim that people are too sensitive, lighten up, it don’t mean nothin’. But there’s the rub. Racists – RICH racists, powerful racists – are quite often, quite clever. Everyone has that stereotypical image (which is also unfair, BTW) of good ol’ boys drinking some beer or JD while ripping down lone stretched of highway in a pickup truck, with a noose hanging off the bumper, and an Ol’ Glory bumper sticker or mud flaps adoring their fiery chariot of Supreme White Justice. They’re the flock. Guys like Bellavia? Shepherds. The guys who know how to turn a phrase, and add a wink to a sentence to get the people they’re pandering to all fired up. They talk the talk so the masses are more comfortable walking the walk.

    And the shit’s gotta stop, or else we’re all going to be parsing sentences and second-guessing what he REALLY meant, when we all know what he REALLY meant, while the national debt gets higher and more soldiers die in Iraq and more schools get underfunded and more people get on food stamps.

    You’re capable of being far smarter than you let on. So are the people who would whoop and holler at Bellavia’s inanity. Either that, or you all are far smarter than you WANT to let on. Either way, Jeebus wept.

  • Funny, for a campaign that prides itself to be above race; it seems that people talk more about it than anything else. -Manny from Miami

    I don’t remember the campaign ever suggesting we avoid talking about race. In fact, Obama directly challenged America to have an open and frank discussion about it; one which, by being so childishly contrarian you have excluded yourself from.

    Doubtful is part of the Obama campaign? -TR

    No, but, little secret, I do have a yard sign from his Senate campaign. It’s actually the only reason I support him. I’m gonna ebay that for millions* when he’s President.

    *It has a mold stain on it that is the spitting image of the Virgin Mother. I’m gonna be rich!

    You’re capable of being far smarter than you let on. -slappy magoo

    I’ve seen no evidence to support that claim. 😉

  • There are many levels of racism. There’s the vicious kind, which is easy to spot. And there’s the “I don’t see what the big deal is” kind that, to the perpetrator, feels like merely stating fact. When Perot said “you people,” he was not being vicious, just insensitively using a phrase that gets used on a lot of people. My high school PE teacher referred to us as “you people” quite a bit. It never hurt.

    What Bellavia was actually doing was comparing one black person who makes conservatives feel like race is no longer an issue to another black person who makes them feel that way. I’d go so far as to say Bellavia regards both Obama and Woods as “sufficiently white” enough to prove that all black people are equal to white people.

    And, as is ALWAYS the case with Republicans, it is precisely this misunderstanding that is a primary force that still drives the wedge in many racial divides today. They see the answer to black woes as being their ultimate assimilation into white society, without white society giving up any of its own culture or history or anything in the return.

    BTW: …just like Tiger Woods has rudely stepped all over the older, more experienced golfers who never got their chance at the titles because of Tiger’s selfish me-first attitude?

    Insane, Tiger Woods didn’t win all those titles out of selfishness or a me-first attitude. He continually beats the ever-loving crap out of the competition because he is the best golfer alive today. I’m older than Tiger is, does that mean he stole a Master’s jacket from me, too?

    Go sell “crazy” somewhere else.

  • Maria,

    Not sure that interpretation is correct but I really don’t think its that big of a stretch. There might be more direct ways of making the same point but nobody is accusing Bellavia of being particularly good with words. Like I said, the interpretation I put forward is a pretty charitable one.

    And, more importantly, there are lots of great sports examples other than…what a coinkidink, the biracial guy.

    Sorry, there really isn’t any other example. There is no one in American sports who is as widely admired as Tiger Woods. No one. If you are trying to come up with an example of an athlete that almost any kid will admire, there is just simply no one else that fits the bill. 15 years ago it would have been Michael Jordan. That doesn’t necessarily demonstrate that the charitable interpretation I put forth is correct but its one point in its favor.

  • I think rege (16) comes the closest. To people who were TV golf fans before Tiger came along, it was a rather elitist game, usually won by players with at least a few years experience (and often many). Suddenly Tiger comes along. People watch the game, but only if he’s playing. The cameras follow him around, barely mentioning Mickelson and Goosen. The fact that Tiger is black may be a part of the problem, but for the most part, I think the resentment comes from the idea that the sport was taken over by someone who hasn’t earned his stripes. In sum, it’s more elitism than race.

  • There is no one in American sports who is as widely admired as Tiger Woods. No one. If you are trying to come up with an example of an athlete that almost any kid will admire, there is just simply no one else that fits the bill.

    I’m pretty sure golf isn’t the number one sport in the eyes of kids these days. I’d imagine a basketball player like LeBron James or a baseball star like A-Rod or Jeter would have the edge.

  • Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards, Favorite Athlete:

    2007 Shaquille O’Neal
    2006 Lance Armstrong
    2005 Tony Hawk
    2004 Tony Hawk
    2003 Tony Hawk

    Basketball, bicycling and three-time skaeboarding. No golf.

  • No president could ever be as obviously good at his job as Tiger is at golf. THe job is infinitely more complex and subtle. Even the best conceivable president can be undone by circumstances beyond his/her control. So the comment is stupid.

    As was mentioned, the speaker was not there to praise Obama, and he dare not use Idi Amin for comparison, so he chose Tiger. It was a veiled, milquetoast appeal to the racist impulse. Kind of pathetic, actually. HOWEVER, repeated innuendo of this nature, would constitute extreme racism. One bumbling commen does not a grand imperial wizard make.

  • “John McCain is a greater hero than any of the great athletes that are normally considered heros in our culture.”

    For what it’s worth, I think brent’s interpretation is a reasonable, charitable one. (It’s what I thought of, too.) It’s a stupid comparison, but there’s a chance it’s an innocent one. Sports figures are commonly viewed as “heroes” in American culture, and Tiger Woods is currently at the top of the list, I’d expect. (Ten years ago the reference might have been to Michael Jordan.)

  • How on earth is racist refering to somebody as Tiger Woods?. He is number one on his sport, widely liked, has a pipping hot wife and rich enough to get in Forbes lists. They have Tiger and we have this guy that just left the old age home for the day. Man with supporters like these …

  • Of course it’s racist. A republican said it.*

    If you have to twist your analysis into a pretzel to get this latest cracker off the hook, you’ve lost your point.

    *This comment box ain’t big enough for the thousands of examples out there.

  • I honestly have no clue of what to think about this.

    In some ways I see it more as a racial comment than a racist one, since being compared to Tiger Woods isn’t exactly an insult — the guy’s at the pinnacle of his sport, is insanely popular, and is quite a handsome and classy guy. So if the goal was to make a disparaging remark, it should be filed under “FAIL.”

    Maybe trying to compare two mixed-race-but-seen-as-African American individuals just makes sense to people who have no real contact or knowledge of the Af-Am community.

    Perhaps they think Obama, like Woods, really isn’t at the top because the former hasn’t even won the Dem nomination, and the latter is still chasing the records of an old white guy.

    Or maybe it was, in reality, an ridiculously racist remark intended to remind everyone that Obama is that black guy who thinks he can intrude on what has historically been an all-white past time.

    I’m really all over the map on this one. I want to believe this is yet another example of the Southern Strategy in action, but just can’t quite get there. Maybe someone can point me in the “right” direction. 🙂

    As far as it being McCain’s “macaca” moment, I doubt it because the media would actually have to cover this and talk about it. Odds are they’ll give their anointed one a pass. Again.

  • …and, once again, a stupid made by a (seemingly) stupid conservative causes a whole bunch of highly intelligent, well-informed progressives to sail totally off the beam into a maelstrom of pointless discourse about misogyny, golf, and vindictive flaming; instead of looking a issues.

    I gotta learn to stay focused.

  • No president could ever be as obviously good at his job as Tiger is at golf. THe job is infinitely more complex and subtle. -Michael7843853

    You must’ve never played the back nine at Augusta.

    You’ve got to push the left analog stick back and forth perfectly to get a straight shot. If that’s not complex and subtle, I don’t know what is.

  • Republicans like to snicker about stuff that makes them uncomfortable. They’ve never gotten past the 14-year-old-in-the-locker-room stage. Like the 14-year-olds, just saying certain words make them feel comfortable snickering with one another. They used to like to say “nigger” or “cunt” and giggle, because black people and girls made them feel uncomfortable. These days, it’s competent non-whites that make them feel uncomfortable in the same way. So, now, in public, they say “Tiger Woods” and it means exactly the same sort of thing — “I’m too immature to deal with this.”

  • *Sigh*
    Make that ‘…stupid comment made by a…’

    I guess I gotta learn to stay focused on proffreading.

  • Oh, and Chris Matthews likes to snicker at stuff too, so it’s not surprising that he might think this is no big deal. He’s just an arrested 14-year-old himself (check out how he treats women).

  • I’m pretty sure golf isn’t the number one sport in the eyes of kids these days. I’d imagine a basketball player like LeBron James or a baseball star like A-Rod or Jeter would have the edge.

    Golf? No. I imagine that most people wouldn’t know Phil Mickelson if he was standing right next to them. But that is at least part of the point. Whether you know anything about golf or not, you know who Tiger Woods is. Like Michael Jordan, his popularity far exceeds the popularity of his sport and it certainly far exceeds Derek Jeter’s.

    To get back on topic, if what Bellavia meant was something along the lines of what I suggested, then he had to pick an example of someone who would be universally known. Someone like Lebron James just wouldn’t work in this context. He is obviously not obscure but he is also not the guy who is going to draw a bunch of people who don’t normally watch basketball to check out a Cavs game. The tournaments that Tiger appears in sometimes quadruples the ratings of contests where he does not compete. Tiger is the iconic American sports hero right now. There is really no contest.

    Again, that doesn’t mean that what Bellavia said was totally innocent. Myself, I lean towards the interpretation in #16. But if we’re searching for an innocent interpretation, this does not seem like such a stretch to me.

  • Is it true that golf — like the Obama campaign — is misogynistic? That the act of moving balls around a fertile field, putting them in holes, and then moving on to another conquest is, ultimately, a not so subtle act of vaginophobia?

    My gosh, TR, I love it when you talk like that! 😉 😉 😉

  • #14, that was kinda the point.

    #53…THAT ROCKED! Very, very funny! Kudos to ya!

    And #57, DaddyO…(chuckle).

  • 52. On April 9th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, iucaffiend said:
    …and, once again, a stupid comment made by a (seemingly) stupid conservative causes a whole bunch of highly intelligent, well-informed progressives to sail totally off the beam into a maelstrom of pointless discourse about misogyny, golf, and vindictive flaming; instead of looking at issues.

    I gotta learn to stay focused.
    ________________________

    No, we have every right to be pissed, because the conservative base laps this s**t up, even when they do so at their own expense. It doesn’t matter if the GOP keeps effing ’em and ‘effing ’em – effing ’em at the gas station, effing ’em in the schools, effing ’em in Iraq in particular and whole War on Terrrrr in general, effing ’em with bailouts for banking and home mortgage companies while stiffing the guys who actually pay their bills…because those effers keep throwing red meat to the base like this, they lap it up, whoop it up and beg for more, and we all get effed a little more. A tortured analogy to be sure, but it’s like watching an Andrew Dice Clay routine circa 1990 when he was still hot, only while he was doing his oh-so-naughty nursery rhymes, he was also kicking your mom in the kidneys. You’re outraged by what he’s doing, and no one’s helping you because they’re all too busy enjoying what he’s saying. It’s time for people to pay attention to more than just the red-meat comments.

  • Yeah, yeah, so McCain is whiter than Obama. I get it. But, is he better than Obama at bowling? And what about Tiger Woods’ bowling score? Let’s focus on *real* issues here, OK?

  • Obviously NOT a racist comment…

    Have a grass roots political organization for you to join!

    Stupid WHITE Warmongers for McCain! Their motto is “He’s one of us!”

  • Of course racism has its fundemantal roots grounded in generational views on morality and of course, right wing conservativism represents moral views cast in shades of stark black and white. When they see shades of a different color; perhaps confusion sets in. I reserve, such comments, assigning them to mere pity and sympathy for the speaker!

  • I’m not sure if it is racist or not, but its just downright funny either way in that “geez stupid Republicans make me snicker” sort of way.

    At the end of the day, it seems to me there really are only two viable choices.

    1) Bellavia was making a racist comment, at some level of dog whistling, and it was clumsy and obtuse and obvious and sounds like a Macaca moment and he deserves every bit of it, or

    2) Bellavia meant no harm or racism, and inadvertently made too favorable a comparison to fit his intended point because most of the non-racist listeners thought “um, actually, I’d rather have Tiger, perhaps the best ever in his field – let them take doddering McCain” or thought that Tiger would be a mighty fine role model for their kids and gee, maybe that means Obama would as well.

    Either way, we win. I love it when that happens.

  • Tiger Woods
    -is extremely successful at what he does
    -is respected by his peers
    -got there by hard work and dedication
    -has made and will make scads of money
    -married a blond Swede (I think it is) model (I think she was)
    Sounds like a fine role model.

    Obama’s a leftie. I’m not much of a golf fan, but isn’t Phil Mikkelson a leftie?

  • Ummm, why does everyone keep the McCain “War Hero” myth alive? He served his country and survived being a POW, but how does that make you a hero? Then he became a carreer politician. He really hasn’t accomplished much other than making a name for himself.

    Somehow, I think I would want my kids to emulate a very successful and goal driven athlete than a flip flopping pandering politician.

  • Tiger never got caught with pretty blond lobbyists.

    Tiger never aided and abetted the Viet Cong

    Tiger never wore Army green, but he did wear Masters Green.

    Tiger doesn’t sing bad parodies of the Beach Boys.

    Tiger Woods 08!
    It’s not too late!
    lolz

  • What really gets me about the pro-war rally is that the audience is composed of burly white guys in brown shirts. It reminds me of last century Germany and the enforcer brown shirts.

  • Sorry, someone who tried so little in school that he was 6th from the bottom in his class is not an appropriate role model.

    Now, does anyone recall the trouble McCain himself got into a few years back for using a highly offensive racial epithet?

  • Davillia is a war veteran. He could have been trying to present McCain as a role model for kids, an inelegant way of elevating McCain. Tiger is one of the most prominent role model for boys. Perhaps his kids and/or their friends aspire to be like Tiger. He prefers McCain as their role model.

  • The point of this was to remind people that McCain is different from Obama, if you know what I mean. It’s the same thing as saying in an official campaign ad, “John McCain.The American president America has been waiting for.” You know, Obama is something different.

  • A small point of clarification– Tiger Woods is not biracial. He describes himself as “Cablinasian”– an amalgam of Caucasian, black, American Indian, and Asian. So, even that aspect of the comparison doesn’t hold! Stupid Republicans!

  • I don’t see the problem here. I heard McCain had a couple of practice rounds in the low 60s this week, so it’s not unreasonable to pick him over Tiger in the Masters.

    We are talking about golf, right? 😉

  • Heroism is the result of actions, not simply the result of being a combatant in a war.

    John McCain is NOT A WAR HERO. He is a Prisoner Of War hero, which is a different thing. He did not receive any medals for heroism in combat. Being an incompetent pilot may get sailors killed on your aircraft carrier & being an incompetent pilot may get you shot down and a POW, but it does not make you a hero.

    John Kerry was a war hero. He did receive medals for heroism in combat. His SwiftBoating is a prime example that real heroism does not mean a damn thing to rethugnicans.

    As a Viet Nam veteran, it annoys the hell out of me for anyone to declare Iraq veterans as heros just because they served in Iraq and it annoys the hell out of me that anyone declares McCain a ‘war hero’.

  • hmmmm………sounds like a specific statement to a specific audience, these comments were made at a republican function with conservative white men in high attendance……..the bearer of the comments is running for a congressional seat in upstate ny……..wether the comments are ridiculus or racist one has to think that the people in attendance got the message because Mcain hugged the gentleman afterward ;i’m sure during a round of applause……seems to me that if this was a direct statement there would be no need for interpretation by the various people responding including myself because we were not there. however in plain english not a foreign language we can’t agree on the meaning of a simple statement because it was not intended to be analyzed only delivered to an audience that obviously understood it. when statements smell funny and cause division like this one its usually because they are rooted in negativity of some type …..after all why should you have to defend something self explanatory to mostly middle-aged , well educated adults ?????

  • Definitely racist, yes. But I think it’s likely that we can also mix in a bit of other qualities that Woods and Obama share — tall, beautiful men who have a superstar quality about them. There’s an odd sense of a losing battle in the comment itself. I mean, does he really believe that his two boys are going to feel more hero worship toward McCain than Tiger Woods? Is it really wise to concede that your candidate lacks superstar quality, which the other candidate has? Is this really some extraordinarily racist odd suggestion that we go back to pre-Tiger Wood days where golf, say, was supposedly better off? Because I can’t imagine that any of these sentiments could really appeal any but the tiniest minority of voters.

  • SmilingDixie – What are you talking about?

    First of all McCain was awarded the Silver Star, a valor award, plus the Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star and Legion of Merit among others. The DFC is an award for heroism. What makes McCain’s Silver Star less of an award for heroism than John Kerry’s? Does getting shot down mean that you are incompetent? Was Admiral Stockdale incompetent as well then? You cryptically refer to the Forrestal incident in your comment. I’d invite you to read a little bit about that before you blame McCain for it. He was sitting in his jet when he was hit by a missile.

    John McCain is a war hero. Any suggestion otherwise just makes you looks foolish.

  • What makes McCain’s Silver Star less of an award for heroism than John Kerry’s? Does getting shot down mean that you are incompetent? Was Admiral Stockdale incompetent as well then? You cryptically refer to the Forrestal incident in your comment. I’d invite you to read a little bit about that before you blame McCain for it. He was sitting in his jet when he was hit by a missile.

    John McCain is a war hero. Any suggestion otherwise just makes you looks foolish.

    Where were guys like you in 2004?

  • SmilingDixie said:

    Heroism is the result of actions, not simply the result of being a combatant in a war.

    John McCain is NOT A WAR HERO. He is a Prisoner Of War hero, which is a different thing. He did not receive any medals for heroism in combat. Being an incompetent pilot may get sailors killed on your aircraft carrier & being an incompetent pilot may get you shot down and a POW, but it does not make you a hero.

    John Kerry was a war hero. He did receive medals for heroism in combat. His SwiftBoating is a prime example that real heroism does not mean a damn thing to rethugnicans.

    As a Viet Nam veteran, it annoys the hell out of me for anyone to declare Iraq veterans as heros just because they served in Iraq and it annoys the hell out of me that anyone declares McCain a ‘war hero’.

    ******************************
    being a ‘nam vet myself i could not agree with you more …………….. it just more bullshit that the corporate/ repiglican media manufactures to get their corporate boy McBush installed as the next president so that a government BY AND FOR THE FEW, GREED, CAN BE SUSTAINED. this is also why they are so busy manufacturing the lie that he is some kind of foreign policy expert .. he isn’t. in reality McBush said the Iraq war would only be six or seve months long, that fact that he supported Chalabi as the one to take over Iraq, that Iraq would be able to pay for itself relative to the oil revenue lie, and so on…. of course the corporate/repiglican media has rewritten history on all of this .. as they tried to rewrite the actual history of john kerry’s expierence in ‘nam …
    got any ‘tuk fin’ smiling dixie ? take care bro

  • If he had said, “You can have your Tiger Woods, we’ll take our Arnold Palmer or Jack Nicklaus” and the rally were taking place in Augusta, GA this week, it might just be a poorly chosen metaphor, but what non-racist purpose could the quote otherwise serve? The laughter of the crowd seems to reflect the fact that they seemed to view Obama as similarly unserious with only their mixed race as the obvious connection. It’s all very strange.

  • I have been watching just how racist a certian segment of this country really is and what saddens me is how much of it is in the democratic party. For instance, in almost all southern states and a number of mid-western states where there was a heavy migration of southern whites, you will find what they call Reagan democrats or may I say racist whites who will vote republican rather than vote for the party with the largest and most dedicated black following.

    In order to ever elect a black to the office the president or any other democrat is on the condition that you succumb to the 1/5 rich white right wingers wishes, who continue to inslave 4/5 of the nations diverse population.

    When are the majority of the good people in this nation going to realize their power and rise above the manipulations of the elite. It’s not about republicans, democrats, independants or races. It’s about a few racist people who control who goes to war, who eats the best, who sleeps the best, who goes to jail, who owns a home and anything else you get, because this country is not yours it’s their’s alone!

  • David Bellavia’s comment exposes his stupidity and racial insensitivity. With servicemen like him in Iraq, it is understandable that so many innocent Iraqis have been murdered and terrorized by US servicemen. I am just glad David Bellavia is back in the US, where people have the rights to defend themselves and laws to protect them, unlike the Iraqis.

  • As a Viet Nam veteran, it annoys the hell out of me for anyone to declare Iraq veterans as heros just because they served in Iraq and it annoys the hell out of me that anyone declares McCain a ‘war hero’. – SmilingDixie

    Seems to me lots of Veterans, especially those who were associated with a war but with no kills, lost limbs or blood loss have a tendency to puff up their street cred as they begin to wax nostalgic. Simply by calling themselves “veteran” implies they should be treated with a certain amount of awe and reverence. I’ve often watched the Old VFW guys marching about with the obligatory bazillion flag pins stapled to their hats, and guessed that those with the most pins were probably the least active.

    The ones who saw it all rarely boast.

    Glory Glory Hallelujah and all that…

  • You know and I know it was a racist remark, there’s just no other meaning to that statement. It’s good to see so many on the left have finally grown some balls though because I heard someone beat the crap out of him on the street today.

    Bravo to the guy who knocked this idiot out!!!

  • I am a Republican and when I heard David Bellavia make this Racist comment , and pleases don’t pretend that it is not, I felt dishardened because it looks as though there are many more racist comments to come. I’m beginning to believe that Mccain condones this behavior. So now please tell me Who Do I Vote For.

  • I played this clip for a friend of mine who is originally from another country– he has been in the US for 7 years– and at first he just said “I don’t get it. What does Tiger Woods have to do with anything?”

    When I pointed out that it was a clear and distinct reference to Obama, his immediate reaction was “OH NO HE DIDN’T!!!”

    It’s something you just sort of “get” on a gut level, you either get it or you don’t. It’s offensive because it blatantly and unabashedly holds up the standard of the Old White Man as inherently superior to the newfangled mixed-race guy.

    If he had said “you can have your Barack Obama” that would have been fine. But using Tiger Woods as a stand-in for Obama is just sort of….icky.

    I know the MSM has talked a lot about Hillary supposedly playing the race card, but they haven’t seen anything yet– wait until the GOP and their underlingings start doing it. I can guarentee it’s going to be nauseating since they really don’t do subtle well.

  • Sounds like Bush, buddies. This is why we cannot go forward; old men like these are stuck in the past! These old grumps are stuck so far in the past that lightning could strike a change in them. I say we leave the stupidity comments to those that are so adamant about clinging to complacent. However, for those of us that see a need to make America better, McCain is not the answer.

    If you want the same, vote McCain.

  • I think that Sgt. Bellavia suffers from PTSD. I am not making excuses for his racially insensitive remarks, but, his remarks are symptomatic of a man in the grips of a mental illness. He needs therapy.

    Since when does serving in the military make one qualified for political office. Sgt. Bellavia has no political experience whatsoever. He has no education. Shooting poorly equipped Iraq’s does not qualify Sgt. Bellavia for public office either.

    Let’s be honest about this race issue. It’s mentally ill people like Bellavia who add fuel to the fire. You could actually see the hatred in his face. Bellavia is one episode away from grabbing a rifle and running into a crowded mall. He should not be making any public statements, he should be under heavy sedation, getting his PTSD fixed. He not only shamed Sen. McCain he shamed the U.S. Army.

    Sgt. Bellavia is a PTSD suffering openly admitted bigot.

    Bellavia’s racists remarks display the most compelling argument yet that the war in Iraq must end. Bellavia was most likely a level headed person until he volunteered to fight a war that should have never been. Bellavia was one of the legion of post 9/11 gung-ho stooges who ran into the military to be a Rambo. He liked killing innocent Iraqi women and children so much that he re-enlisted to go back for more. Bellavia’s insane blood-lust spilled over into his civilian life, only now he is a damaged killer, his death and destruction mentality became apparent yesterday in his misguided words.

    Now, take Bellavia and multiply that jerk by 200,000. 200,000 Iraqi vets returning home with a myriad of macabre memories and hearts full of war-torn hatred. This war must end now. Before the country is deluged with bigots like the pathetic Mr. Bellavia. Bellavia is a product of a failed administration. I can’t understand why Bellavia is supporting McCain. McCain is partly responsible for his ruined life. The US Army destroyed what was once an innocent young man, then unleashed him out into society without skipping a beat,

    Poor Bellavia has no idea what he is saying. Six years of death and destruction have morphed Bellavia into a jealous, hate-mongering, ignorant fool. Tiger Woods and Sen. Barack Obama may be part black, but at least they are human and decent, and for that idiot Bellavia to bash either man shows how the war screwed up his thought process. Bellavia has made me a “BELLEVIA” that this war must end!

  • I’m a member of Vets for Freedom, and I know SSG Bellavia. He’s not racist in the least. That statement was meant to compare two great Americans who are held in high esteem by the American public. Nothing more.

  • considering that mccain voted against an mlk holiday…against civil rights legislation 8 times…yes 8 times…it is not suprising that his supporters would be racist too…

  • It looked like a bunch of guys rallying for the days of Archie Bunker. The media gave McCain a SERIOUS pass on this one (as usual).

    One thing is that Woods usually wins and I think Obama will too. Ha, Ha, Ha…what a funny to hear at a PRO WAR rally…PRO WAR…what a mess.

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