The religious right warms up to McCain (because he’s not Obama)

It’s hard to overstate the extent to which the religious right movement and its leaders have not gotten along with John McCain. It’s not just that they preferred other candidates during the Republican primaries; it’s that they actively and publicly hated the guy.

Consider an example. In October, the Family Research Council hosted a “Values Voter Summit,” and nearly every Republican candidate showed up to kiss the movement’s ring, touting their faith and their commitment to religious right issues. At the end of the conference, organizers held a straw poll — and McCain came in dead last with just 1.4% support. McCain did even worse than Rudy Giuliani, who supports abortion and gay rights.

Not enough? How about this — James Dobson issued a statement in February, insisting he would not vote for McCain in the general election and would stay home if McCain is the GOP nominee. For that matter, Pat Robertson has said he would not vote for McCain “under any circumstances.” Dobson and Robertson, of course, are the movement’s two biggest, most well-known leaders.

The whole “agents of intolerance” thing was apparently tough to get over. It’s hard for a candidate to Sister Souljah conservative evangelical activists, and then seek their support two cycles later. The religious right may be crazy, but it’s a movement with a long memory.

That, however, was before Barack Obama won the Democratic nomination, and started earning enough support to possibly split the evangelical vote. All of a sudden, McCain doesn’t look so bad anymore.

Conservative evangelical leaders met privately this week to discuss putting aside their misgivings about John McCain and coalescing around the Republican’s presidential bid while urging him to consider social conservative favorite Mike Huckabee as a running mate.

About 90 of the movement’s leading activists gathered Tuesday night in Denver for a meeting convened by Mathew Staver, who heads the Florida-based legal advocacy group Liberty Counsel.

Many evangelical leaders backed other GOP candidates early on and remain wary of McCain’s commitment to their causes and his previous criticisms of movement leaders. But with the presidential field now set, many evangelical leaders are taking a more pragmatic view, realizing also that the Democratic candidate, Barack Obama, is making a strong play for evangelical voters and talking freely about his faith.

Christian conservative leaders? Choosing pragmatism over principles? You don’t say.

Plenty of heavy hitters were at this week’s meetings, including Staver, Phyllis Schlafly, Tim and Beverly LaHaye, David Barton, and Rick Scarborough, all of whom basically agreed to grin and put up with McCain.

“Obama is a considerable threat to our values,” Staver said. “At the same time, Sen. McCain recently has been reaching out to evangelicals and conservative voters that we represent.”

Even so, [Phil Burress, a leading anti-gay activist in Ohio] said that at this point, conservative Christians are motivated more out of opposition to Obama than enthusiasm for McCain.

“People are not saying, ‘Let’s all go out and support John McCain,'” Burress said. “It’s more like, ‘We have to do what we have to do for our country.’ Basically, that boiled down to John McCain.”

What’s striking, though, is that the religious right has ended up looking like a cheap date. McCain has barely done any real outreach to the movement at all — indeed, McCain had two people devoting to courting evangelical Christians, and he fired both — and while he’s made all kinds of far-right assurances to the GOP’s business and neocon factions, the religious right hasn’t won much in the way concessions. He even threw John Hagee and Rod Parsley under the bus — after months of cultivating their support — once they became inconvenient.

Less than a month ago, Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, told the NYT, “For John McCain to be competitive, he has to connect with the [evangelical] base to the point that they’re intense enough that they’re contagious. Right now they’re not even coughing.”

Apparently, that doesn’t much matter. For most religious right leaders, the prospect of Obama winning 40% of the evangelical vote, as Mark DeMoss recently predicted, is enough to send shivers down the movement’s spine. If that means cozying up to McCain, so be it.

I’d add, though, that this doesn’t exactly point to a thriving, vibrant political movement. The religious right couldn’t stop McCain from easily winning the Republican nomination, can’t stop Obama from making inroads with evangelical voters, and couldn’t even win any major concessions from McCain before rolling over and embracing him.

The religious right’s obituary has been written before, but I can’t remember the last time the movement seemed this irrelevant.

Dear God,

We hate John McCain, but we hate Barack Obama more. Please answer our prayer and let McCain choose Huckabee as his running mate. Then after they win the election, you can take McCain home Lord.

We want to do your bidding and the only way we can Father, is if we can load the Supreme Court with your devout followers.

Amen,

The Religious Right

  • “Obama is a considerable threat to our values,” Staver said.

    Huh?!? I thought Obama was for the average Joe, you know, the type of guy that Jesus would have helped?

    What the fuck kind of values is this guy talking about?

    I bet if Jesus came to earth today and started walking through republican/evangelical neighborhoods, someone there would call the cops and complain about some dirty hippy walking the streets asking for handouts.

    I am beginning to think that there is a more sinister force behind these so called “Christian evangelicals”. I mean, everything they support and espouse is an antithesis to the words of Jesus. Anti-Jesus?
    Starting to get the picture?

  • The great intrinsic comedy within this is that Obama is looking good to 40% of evangelicals BECAUSE of McCain. Having the leadership of WingNuttia cozy up to McDemon merely cements that fact into electoral history.

  • The worst fear Robertson and Dobbson have is losing power. They demand recognition (and donations) to keep the lifestyle they are accustomed to keeping. The hypiocrisy of well McCain doesn’t stand for our values but he’s better than Obama begs the question…Why so? In what way? And once again we’re back to gays and pro-choice and ignoring the vast array of Christian values mentioned in Mathew 25, which pretty much leaves McCain out.

    This group wants control more than anything dealing with their professed religion.

  • Personally, I highly doubt Obama, in the end, will get 40% of the evangelical vote. That’s why I hate to see him waste his time, resources and supporter good will courting this bunch of vile freaks. He’ll win without them, that’s the important thing.

  • #2 citizen_pain: Jesus didn’t look like that white guy everybody has a picture of. While no one really knows what he looked like, f he walked through a Republican neighborhood, I’m guessing they would call Homeland Security.

  • I was disappointed when the religious leaders rallied behind GWB in 2000 and 2004 to put him in the white house, and I am equally disappointed that they are now rallying behind McCain now that their previous poster candidate, Mike Huckabee is out of the race. This Christian voter never voted for GWB! I voted for Ron Paul in the GOP primaries and will be voting for Chuck Baldwin in November.

  • I’ve been grilling God, and he’s standing firm by his decision not to endorse a Presidential candidate this year. He might have let the veil slip a little, however, when he told Dobson to STFU.

  • Most Christians… hell, even most Evangelicals, are not batshit hatemongers like Dobson and LaHate. These vermin just have big mouths and a podium to preach from.

  • As a pragmatic centerist who disliked EVERYONE running this year, I am not going bother with a discussion of McCain vs. Obama since all it really boils down to is the question of which lies you prefer to believe and which you don’t. I will say this though: Any time you can slam, make fun of, belittle or otherwise bloody the religious right wackos in this country, I am all for it! Keep up the good work!

  • I’d have to agree that I don’t want to see Obama even talking to nutcase right wingers of any sort, except to point out to them that they’re welcome to drop their insanity and join the rest of us whenever they’re ready. When he goes beyond that and starts talking up faith-based initiatives, he’s going a little too far, in my opinion.

    Of course I’m in the same boat as the “moral majority” loonies, but on the other end. I wouldn’t vote for a Republican in this election even if he grew a halo and the Democratic candidate grew horns.

    As far as I’m concerned, the drama in this election is already over. Barack Obama won, Hillary Clinton lost, and the Republicans haven’t counted since early 2007. The only thing that could possibly spoil this for me is if enough white trash voters decide that they can’t stand the prospect of a Black in the White House and they put down their beer cans, cigarettes and guns long enough to get out and vote.

  • Bob Barr is not Obama either. And with Bob Barr you don’t have to suck up and accept all the annihilation of civil liberties that the GOP now stands for, but nor do you have to accept the hard left economic turn that Obana wants to take us on.

  • MadScribe, do you know any “religious right wackos” yourself, personally?

    The reason I ask is that if I were to say “any time you can slam, make fun of, belittle or otherwise bloody the ______ I’m all for it” and substitute racial, homophobic or sexist slurs, you’d probably be unhappy. And you’d be right. But prejudice in any form is a shame on this country—not just the prejudices you or I disagree with.

    unfriendly fire is right, Evangelicals tend to be embarrassed by these guys.

    FWIW as a Christian voter I LOVE the prospect of McCain precisely because he’s NOT friends with the religious right. For both church and state to prosper, they have to remain separate. Tim, I’ve been wishing God would tell Dobson to STFU for years, lol; while the framers of the Constitution expected a moral populace (which they assumed would come from religious instruction), they were adamant that this was not supposed to be a Christian country. See Jefferson’s memo to the Barbary Pirates, for example.

    “I may not agree with a word you say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” –Voltaire.

  • SaintZak said: “Personally, I highly doubt Obama, in the end, will get 40% of the evangelical vote. That’s why I hate to see him waste his time, resources and supporter good will courting this bunch of vile freaks. He’ll win without them, that’s the important thing.”

    The point is that 40% of self-identified evangelicals are not vile freaks. In fact, they are the type of people who would embrace the hippy weirdo Jesus CP describes if he dropped in on us today. Thus, an effort to separate them from the theocratic wingnut faction of the Republican’t party is a good thing.

    What I find interesting is Steve B’s assessment that McCan’t is doing little or nothing to gain the support of the theocratic wingnut faction. If his analysis is correct, Mike Huckabee will not be the VP nominee. Which I think is strange, because I think it is Mike that John Sidney needs to win, not Mitt (who would be the choice of the Club for Growth/Greed).

    I’m not sure when and where the idea of Heaven as a gated community arose, but I think that image of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates playing security guard with his approved visitor list is the reason that rich conservatives embrace Christianity, the religion whose creator claimed that “The Meek shall inherit the Earth”.

  • “People are not saying, ‘Let’s all go out and support John McCain,’” Burress said. “It’s more like, ‘We have to do what we have to do for our country.’ Basically, that boiled down to John McCain.”
    _________________________________

    WTF is Burress actually saying? McCain is bad but Obama is worse so therefore we have to vote for bad?

    Whatever happened to dissent? These assholes literally have a pulpit to shout about how awful a choice McCain is and how the GOP should’ve listened to them before McCain ever got the nomination. Hell, they could’ve all decided to run a third-party candidate that truly reflects their “values.”

    Aaaaahhhh, but as usual, they decided having any influence in the White House, even a teeny tiny itty bitty bit of influence, is better than no influence at all. So they tucked ’em between their legs and decided, rather than raise holy hell in an attempt to make effective change for future elections, they’ll accept what they’re given with a song and dance.
    Why are Christian leaders such pussies? And why do the followers choose to be led by such pussies?

  • If they do this, it’s a big mistake. McCain’s going to lose and they need to just let it happen. Even worse, the evangelicals who will support Obama aren’t really theirs at all and won’t be persuaded by the Dobsons. And so if they give a big push and get whupped anyway, it’ll show how truly powerless they are. It’s much better to lose while pretending not to try than to lose while trying.

  • I agree that Obama threatens the values of the Evangelical Right. He threatens thier value of power and influence. He threatens to expose thier values of increasing and abusing unchekced executive power, dismantling of civil liberties inherent in the constitution and corporate welfare at the expense of struggling Americans. He threatens to expose a political institution that systematically rewards those who already yield over 90% of the influence on political will regarding domestic and international policy. Yes Barak Obama is a significant threat. And that’s why a great many of us support his candidacy for President.

  • The New York Times profile of McCain at the end May provides a glimpse into the origin of McCain’s animosity toward the Christian right.

    In Mr. Tower, however, Mr. McCain found both a social companion and a political mentor. “Tower treated him like a son,” recalled I. N. Kiland, one of Mr. McCain’s colleagues in the liaison office. “And John idolized John Tower.” (Mr. McCain, in his memoir, acknowledged the “familial” comparisons.)
    […]

    ….Mr. Tower retired in 1985, but their paths crossed again when the Texan was nominated to be secretary of defense by President George Bush. The influential Christian conservative organizer Paul M. Weyrich accused Mr. Tower of public drunkenness and philandering, imperiling his confirmation. A chorus of others echoed the charges.

    Mr. McCain was stunned at the Senate’s outrage. “There were too many hearty drinkers around the place who might not always have been the most exemplary of devoted spouses to begrudge John his vices,” he wrote in a chapter of his memoirs. “The sins Tower was accused of were hardly Washington novelties.”

    Leaping to his mentor’s defense, Mr. McCain denounced Mr. Weyrich as a holier-than-thou hypocrite, scrambled to discredit the charges and exploded in fits of rage at colleagues. At Mr. Tower’s defeat, Mr. McCain choked back tears.

    “God bless you, John Tower,” he said from the Senate floor. “You’re a damn fine sailor.”

    McCain’s feud with the Christian right is personal not ideological or principled. Weyrich thwarted McCain’s mentor’s ambition and McCain has held a grudge. Now that the Christian right stands to thwart his own ambition he has no problem in embracing them, even if half-heartedly, in order to further his career and they have no problem returning the embrace in order to advance their cause.

  • I failed to see where these so-called Christian conservatives have ever shown us where to find “conservative” in the Bible? Christianity is Love and Faith in that order. The way I remember it, Jesus came against the ruling unjust politicians overturning their money tables (unfair economy). Trying to align Christianity with man made conservatism doctrine innovation is Hell Fire. Like Jesus didn’t know what he was talking about and these conservatives are to tell what Christianity is and is not. If I’m going to Hell, I’d rather go by myself, than with the “help” of know it all Christian conservative (Pharisee) intolerance doctrine. Perhaps these Christian conservatives will drop the “conservative” and be Christian. There is One G’d and one Human Soul. Yes We Can! Emphasis on the “We” as in We the People. Obama 08.

  • Almost 30 years after Ronald Reagan was elected, the religious right has finally, hopefully, blown themselves up. And not by any one incident, either. They’ve lost their inertia, I believe, because their leadership has gradually shown itself, over the last 30 years, to be a bunch of power-hungry hypocrites. These are not “compassionate conservatives”. They are greedy, “me and mine first”, horrible people. They and their attitudes have led the way in our collective voyage into the land of “individuals make better investment decisions than the government” (yup, your Hummer H2 sure looks like a better investment for society than fixing the potholes on main street), and “all life is sacred” (certainly we would lay down our lives to save a single unborn baby, but blowing tens of thousands of Iraqi’s away by bungling the Iraq war from start to finish to postlude is really no problem, and watching the poor die in hospital emergency rooms due to lack of adequate resources is really no problem). I think (hope) that individuals within the movement are starting to figure out that there is no future for ANY of us Americans if a select group of us ruins the lives of the rest of us. That rich guy driving the Hummer still has to drive over the same potholes that the rest of us do, and he’s got to wonder why, if he’s so rich, he still has to deal with substandard shared infrastructure.

    Too bad it’s taken decades for us to figure any of this out…

    BTW, those who differentiate between the “whacko religious right” and the deeply religious draw an interesting and very important distinction. But in my mind there aren’t any clear litmus tests that separate these people. Try these on and see what you think separates the “whacko religious right” from the deeply religious.
    – Tolerance of gays?
    – Tolerance of African Americans?
    – Blind support of the Republican party?
    – Opposition to abortion?
    – Massive hypocracy?
    – Tolerance of the poor?
    – Active support of the poor?
    – Willingness to use any available means to further their cause?
    Sometimes I suspect that the difference between the “whacko religious right” and the deeply religious isn’t about religious subtleties at all. It’s about whether to use religion as a moral compass to guide your own life or to try to use religion to frighten others into doing things that serve your own economic interests.

  • Religion has no place in politics. Presidents and their minions should be concerned with the practical day-to-day necessities of societal existence. Things like roads, bridges, utilities, taxes, welfare, health care, in short the things we share in our day-to-day lives. But no, at least not in the USA. Our government and the corporate business community have completely lost their way in terms of morality, ethics and responsibility. Religion is the most common marketing tool used by anyone trying to promote themselves upwardly through society, when at heart these kinds of people are most typically the greediest, deadliest and desperate people on the planet.

    Religious people have also lost their way and are responsible for an incredible amount of devastation and chaos throughout the world because they insist on voting for anyone who speaks to their faith. Anyone, regardless of how dangerous and irresponsible they are, can get elected to public office simply by expressing conservative values, belief in God and waving the flag.

    Personally, I avoid religious people as though they had some horrendous and contagious disease. I value the life of all people, other creatures and our planet so dearly. And I find the readiness to wield judgment and death, qualities that conservative religious society, the Republican Party, George Bush, John McCain, and many other desperate, dangerous power hungry types incomprehensible and repulsive.

    All of you think for a change. Take a look at the rest of the world, many societies live better than we do, some of them have been down the road of imperialism and religious cleansing that we are on, have learned from their mistakes and created modern societies that demonstrate greater compassion, talents, understanding, and responsibility than the U.S.

    On a personal note, religious folks with conservative tendencies, stay away from me. You’re holding intelligent, moral and ethical people back. You’re dragging us all down because of your desperate and selfish needs.

  • well, i support that religion has no place in politics, but i have to say that i disagree with person above me who says stuff like:
    Religious people have also lost their way and are responsible for an incredible amount of devastation and chaos throughout the world because they insist on voting for anyone who speaks to their faith.

    while government is not to force a religion and should not be decided entirely on religion, the government should represent the people (even if they are idiots and want to destroy the world or something) which sometimes means that the leaders are religious.

  • I am an evangelical. God is the one who gave us Obama. God, the Father has given us an offer we can’t refuse. He has given us a person who is both Caucasian and Black so that the races should stop bickering. In the words of Ted Lewis,”Is everybody happy?” Without Obama we stay in Iraq for 100 years, we have foreclosures with no end in sight, gas prices into the double digits by 2009. I heard Barack say today that he will still get the troops out of Iraq in 16 months if he is president. He said, unlike Bush, I decide if and when we get out not the generals. He said he will listen to what they say and if it takes 17 months to remove them fine. But not a 100 year involvement. He also said the Iraqi people need to be taught to take care of themselves. Then I thought to myself, why after 7 years haven’t they been taught how fight for themselves? We can’t be babysitters forever. Every babysitter grows up and moves on.

  • Thank the good Lord there are people who can still think for themselves! Pay no attention to the Obamites..no matter what you do, if you oppose him they will try and persecute you with everything they have..racism, religion, intelligence remarks,
    cultural remarks, anything to try and raise their Demigod. His folowers are going to try and replace God with a politician named Obama, someone who will bring the world under one little perfect rule, will talk with a silver tongue and seduce the people into his order, sound like a familiar story????

    Do not follow this false God!!

  • “The religious right may be crazy, but it’s a movement with a long memory.” Mr. CB

    6,000 years and not a second longer.

    I remember some attention being paid to McBush switching denominations awhile back but does he actually go to church?

    McBush’s tax policies will fit nicely with the gospel of prosperity that the charlatans preach and benefit from. Obama’s religious leanings are up front and it sure seems like he would be a more natural fit for folks who were really wanting to promote their spiritual concerns rather than maintaining the insane cloak of invisibility that allows them to rack up huge fortunes without a whiff of scrutiny drifting their way.

    The charlatans are g*d’s own mortgage brokers with even less regulation and they want to keep it that way. McBush is a f’head but he’s still their kind of guy.

  • Hasn’t it occurred to anyone that the “Bible” is nothing but poetic social writings that are now completely out-dated?

    Doctors no longer practice blood-letting with leeches. The world strangely enough turned out to be round. (we have pictures to prove this) Some folks have even learned to stop eating lead paint.

    Why are you “Christians” “flocking” to worship a band of 2,000 year old political activists whose view of the world was very small indeed? And why are you voting for people now who praise God with one side of their mouth while ordering the bombing of cities full of innocent people with the other.

    Its simple, you elect to do this because it is a natural evolved trait for tribes to compete for territory and resources! But some of us see this and understand where the impulse comes from. Some of us have grown up and know the world to a fragile and remarkable place, not some dark and mysterious demon infested pit that the Christian right should rule with an iron fist because they think they’re the only ones worthy of life.

    Elect someone who thinks and isn’t tied to military solutions for every problem we have. There is nothing “Christian” about making war for profit, or is there?

  • As much as you don’t like it, religion IS a force in Politics, right or wrong.
    If your faith dictates that abortion is murder, then WHY would you vote for a politician that actively supports abortion in any form?
    The problem, isn’t Religion, per se, it’s the Politician’s values which very likely, will be driven by his deep beliefs. If your values are extremely different than mine, then I WON’T vote for you. No surprise there.

    What the Evans REALLY need to fear about Obama is the fact that he is a 20 year disciple of Black Liberation Theology (BLT). Whether you like it or not, Obama IS a BLT disciple.
    He was a member of a Church that openly say they teach and follow the BLT tenets.
    He was baptized (as was his whole family) into BLT. To be baptized in a Church, you must take several classes in the tenet.
    Obama was a Parishioner of the Church, and as a parishioner, he taught the tenet in formal classes at the church.
    He monetarily supported the Church and it’s tenet.
    The above sounds like he has some dedication to his faith. The problem comes in when the average Christian finds out what BLT is all about. I would estimate that more than 85% of Christians haven’t a clue what BLT involves. It’s like the Rev Wright issue. It was reported for over a year that Wright was a radical. People blew it off. It took actual video to make people take note and they were shocked.
    Now, the Christian leaders need to educate American Christians to the cult like tenet of BLT. Recently, I had a two part discussion with a Staffer of Dr Dobson’s. When I sent him some reference material on BLT, he was appalled. He contacted me on the 1st and said that the subject was going to be discussed at the council meeting soon. Then, coincidentally, the news today says that the Evans were going to support McCain. Take it for what it’s worth.
    But, I don’t know a White Christian that hasn’t been shocked after reading the WATERED DOWN definition of BLT at Wikipedia.
    “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
    As a Christian, how can you possibly support a man that is a 20 year disciple of this statement, and has raised his children in the racist environment of these teachings?
    No White Christian I know, does.
    Does that bother you? Then it just does. But, there’s nothing to be done about it. Presidents are elected by character first, issues second, and there’s a lot of Americans who will not vote just to win. We worry about effect on our great country, and the traditional values that made it so great in the first place.

  • Hasn’t it occurred to anyone that the “Bible” is nothing but poetic social writings that are now completely out-dated?

    Doctors no longer practice blood-letting with leeches. — me again @ 31

    re your first point: as a matter of fact… 🙂 My husband used to teach a course on “Bible as literature” (short semester in the spring, at the English dept). Some folk were incensed but most enjoyed it.

    re your second point: not in the US, true. But, elsewhere, after many years of using glass “baubles” to do the same thing, the trend is back to the leeches. Trouble is, leeches are now harder to find than they used to be (pollution) and even more difficult to keep on hand and well-fed, since the doctors no longer use them for *every* ailment, the way they used to 500 (or more) years ago.

    Just nit-pickin’ 🙂

  • Miss Mudd, @33,

    It’s a waste of spleen, to engage in conversations with robots…

  • Bacon Lettuce and Tomato? Does the entire party eat this? I think not.

    This is the real issue. Don’t you want a merciless, deceptive, above the law unified party like the RNC? Or one that argues amongst themselves to find the best solutions? Are you in a hurry to make the most important decisions we face? Do you think might of arms is a better approach than diplomacy?

    Ah the miracle of the gun, the bombs and the internal combustion engine. What else do we need? Bombing Iraq was not a “tough” decision. It was thoughtless and immoral. That’s what you get with the Republican Party, a country that worships guns, bombs and internal combustion engines. How simple-minded can we get? I’m sorry am I using too many hyphenated words for some of you? Wake up earthlings, its a small planet and you’re going to have to learn to share.

    My closest neighbor, a successful middle class, middle American, recently said to me, when we were discussing the price of gas, “I hate those Arabs”. It would take pages and pages to explain the implications of this remarkably stupid and shallow comment. Who is feeding my neighbor’s brain such garbage? The religious right and the Republican Party. (Bomb-Bomb-Bomb Bomb-Bomb-Iran)

    PS Libra – you can get leeches from Kevin Trudeau, I suspect. Bible as literature? If it would only stop there we’d all be safer now wouldn’t we? Its not a very good read, but then its supposed to be confusing. Oh the mystery of it all?!? Let’s go hunt some orc!

  • Me Again,

    If you are thinking the Republican party is all in lock-step — and all about bombing Iran, you haven’t been noticing the Ron Paul revolution. Granted, the powers that be did not want you to notice the Ron Paul revolution….

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