The Tax Fairy will not come to rescue the GOP

It’s one thing for Republican presidential candidates to believe nonsense about tax policy, but to brag about it in a TV ad is just embarrassing.

“I know that reducing taxes produces more revenues,” Republican presidential candidate Rudolph Giuliani declares in a new television ad launched Thursday. “Democrats don’t know that. They don’t believe it.”

There’s a good reason for that: It’s not true. Produces more revenue than what? Than if taxes had not been cut? No — and no matter how many times Republican politicians caught up in the thrill of supply-side thinking pronounce that tax cuts pay for themselves, they cannot will it to be correct.

Giuliani knows better. He has to. The alternative is that he’s a total buffoon.

No serious people believe this. Bush’s own budget director, Jim Nussle, recently said, “There are those including myself who … in the passion of the argument have made statements — I think I even made a statement once — that tax relief did pay for itself.” Needless to say, Nussle doesn’t believe that anymore. Edward P. Lazear, chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, has said the same thing: “I certainly would not claim that tax cuts pay for themselves.”

And yet there’s Giuliani, bragging in a TV commercial about what he claims to “know” about tax policy. Please.

Of course, it’s worth noting that he’s not the only leading Republican making truly bizarre claims about taxes.

Today, Michael Kinsley takes Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee to task for their own nonsense.

First there’s the former senator’s plan…

The central gimmick of Fred Thompson’s recently announced tax plan is to offer people a choice. They can pay taxes under the current rules — with some juicy new breaks added from the big and small businesses wish lists — or they can pay a so-called “flat tax,” with lower rates and fewer deductions. So, anyone who wants a simpler tax code could have one. But for some of them (people who get a lot of deductions now), the simpler tax will be a higher tax. How many people, do you suppose, would choose simplicity over complexity, even if simplicity will cost them more? My bet: approximately zero.

Like most flat-tax advocates over the years, Thompson puts a thumb on the scale by combining flatness with a large tax cut. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center figures that Thompson’s plan would fall a mere $2.5 trillion short of revenue over the next decade, compared with the current system. Two and a half trillion to play with makes it easy to arrange for more people to see their taxes go down than up if they choose the flat-tax alternative. But this has nothing to do with simplifying the system. If you don’t care how much debt you run up, you can give everyone a tax cut without bothering about simplification. You can stop collecting tax at all! That would be nice and simple.

The real strategy of Thompson’s plan is a familiar one from past Republican tax plans: Give large breaks to businesses and the wealthy (by, say, abolishing the estate tax), bribe the middle class to go along by offering smaller breaks to them, and don’t worry about paying for it all.

But maintaining your indifference to the size of the bill you are running up requires nerves of steel. You must never waver, never, never express the slightest concern that lost revenue may be a problem, and never, never, never even hint at where you might go to find the money. Thompson followed the script, putting out word that the explosion of economic activity after his tax reform would bring in too much money to even count, yadda, yadda, yadda. Then, unfortunately, he blinked. He revealed that he is a political amateur by making ominous noises about finding some savings through changes in Social Security benefits, which has to mean cuts in Social Security benefits or no money will be saved.

…and then the former governor’s plan.

Mike Huckabee, currently enjoying his 15 minutes, makes a slightly different political mistake, which we might label, for lack of a better term, total honesty. He has endorsed something called the “fair tax,” which involves repealing all federal revenue sources—the income tax, Social Security tax, estate tax, everything—and replacing them with a 23 percent sales tax on everything except education. The fair tax propaganda says, frankly, that it is intended to be “revenue-neutral.” That is, it would bring in just as much money as the taxes it replaces. No monkey business about explosions of new revenue.

This makes it easy to figure out who would win and who would lose in Huckabee’s so-called “fair” tax. It’s a zero-sum game: Every dollar someone’s taxes go down is a dollar someone else’s go up. What you spend every year is the amount you earn minus the amount you save. On average, Americans save practically nothing, but wealthier people save more. Very poor people actually spend more than they earn, while Bill Gates and Warren Buffett couldn’t spend more than a small fraction of their income if they tried. So, wealthy people are going to see their taxes go down, which means that poor and middle-class people are going to see their taxes go up.

There’s a complicated business in the fair tax about rebating it for spending up to the poverty line, but that doesn’t change the basic math of revenue neutrality — that if rich people pay less, poor and middle-class people pay more. And they will feel it more. Including state sales taxes, there would be a governmental surcharge of one-third or more on everything you buy.

Which of these three GOP hopefuls are the least sensible is entirely a matter of opinion.

Lower taxes means more liberty for the wealthy. In my lifetime I’ve seen that more liberty for the wealthy translates into more hiring of illegal aliens and more privitization of public services – all the makings of having the trains run on time. No, it is time in this democracy politicians begin to speak straight on how taxes produce public service, public safety, and public peaceful coexistence at a rate exponentially better than any “democracy” that doesn’t care enough to take active care of its democratic infrastructure. I’m looking for continued taxes, at slightly higher rates for those among us who make over $300,000 a year. I don’t thing my perspective has a chance in hell though! -Kevo

  • These “Laffer Curve” wingnuts would not agree that tax cuts or “fair tax” proposals are a zero-sum game, and they might be right to some extent. Tax cuts might stimulate economic activity somewhat, so that a $50 billion tax cut would result in a loss in tax revenue of perhaps $45 billion. But anyone who claims (like Giuliani) that tax cuts increase tax revenue is either deluded or dishonest. Or both. You can attract a lot of support by telling people what they want to hear, true or not.

    I like the way that you have framed this issue, CB. They used to call this nonsense “Reaganomics.” G.H.W. Bush properly called it “voodoo economics.” Calling it the “Tax Fairy” is simple, memorable, and subjects it to the ridicule that it deserves.

  • Giuliani knows better. He has to. The alternative is that he’s a total buffoon.

    As is my wont, I shall endeavor to show how Giuliani could arrive at this belief through a sincere misunderstanding. As the WaPo editorial shows, tax cuts can partially pay for themselves through added economic stimulus. Tax Cut Jihadists are seizing on this fact to rebut what they see as their opponents’ insistence that all tax cut dollars are completely lost. This rebuttal is correct, but then the Jihadists inflate their correctness by overestimating the stimulus effect. In the end, they were right about one small thing but then forgot what it was.

    Including state sales taxes, there would be a governmental surcharge of one-third or more on everything you buy.

    And yet Europe, with its stifling VAT, is able to persevere.

  • Which of these three GOP hopefuls are the least sensible? Gosh, that a tough one.

    What’s the difference between Larry, Curly, and Moe?

  • At the heart of this foolishness is the notions that tax cuts automatically spark economic expansion. If interest rates are at around 20% are as they were during the ‘Reagan Miracle’, there is a certain logic to this. If the cost of borrowing money gets too high, economic expansion will be stifled. But when the cost of money is at or below normal levels the argument collapses under it’s own absurdity.

    Businesses expand for 1 reason: An opportunity to make more profit. High interest rates will reduce the profitability of an expansion, so if interest rates get too high you get less economic expansion. If interest rates are at a reasonable level, a tax cut isn’t going to have much of an impact on the profitability of a business’ expansion.
    If high interest rates are stifling expansion, tax cuts will be somewhat offset by increased growth. Pay for themselves? Hardly. But the offset costs may make them a sensible expenditure for other reasons. But without the constricting pressures of high interest rates, there is no offset to the cost – making them more expensive, while providing no tangible value in return.

  • “What’s the difference between Larry, Curly, and Moe?”

    everybody likes curly; nobody likes larry.

  • It’s unfair that we have to listen to these hucksters making these claims, and they have a veneer of credibility by being on TV commercials and by being well-known politicians often featured by the TV news programs and the newspapers.

  • “GOP” is to “tax cut” as:

    (a) “junkie” is to “junk”
    (b) “moth” is to “flame”
    (c) “fly” is to “shit”
    (d) “Homer Simpson” is to “donuts with sprinkles”

    The correct choice is (d).

    [This was originally posted a couple of days ago at Brian Beutler’s site.]

  • Come on, be fair.

    Everyone knows that revenue goes up when you cut taxes.

    Just look at the last 30 years.

    1981 tax cut – revenue went down
    1982 tax increas – revenue went up
    1990 tax increas – revenue went up
    1993 tax increase – revenue went up
    2001 tax cut – revenue went down
    2002 tax cut – revenue went down
    2003 tax cut – revenue went down

    So you are completely wrong. And Karl Rove is absolutely correct.

    Every time we cut taxes in the last 30 years the revenue went up
    Every time we raised taxes the revenue went down.

    Don’t you listen to The Colber Report??? Why let facts get in the way of what you know to be true

  • A fair way to put it would be that tax cuts pay for part of themselves — but if you don’t figure out a way to pay for the rest, you’ll soon find youself in deep in the hole.

    The funny thing is the way the Laffer Curve started as a serious economic proposition — if the marginal tax rate is sufficiently high, tax cuts WILL pay for themselves — and ended up as a mindless political catchetism for Republican presidental candidates.

    Anyone who actually believes human beings are inherently rational has to wrestle with that one.

  • Republicans are serving up the same “trickle down” snake oil on taxes but Democrats need to embrace some kind of tax reform. Harold Ford has proposed a middle class flat tax of 10% for working and middle class families below 150K in earnings. Democrats need to get behind Ford’s proposal and win the middle class vote in ’08.

  • I’m a Ron Paul supporter, and even I know that tax cuts mean less revenue. However, that’s exactly what I want! The government has been completely irresponsible with the taxpayer’s money, and should be fired for misappropriation of funds. The Social security trust fund has been robbed of two trillion dollars, and by 2013 many believe the fund will go into the red, sending out more money than it brings in. Not the time to be running a deficit there.

    Let’s save hundreds of billions by ending the War in Iraq, putting Halliburton and KBR and Blackwater out of business, closing our bases around the world, and restoring the Social Security Fund so no one is left out on the street.

    Then we can work on ways to allow young people to opt-out of a government policy that is no longer benefiting them appropriately, and start weaning the freedom-loving Americans off the Government’s ample tit.

  • Jason:

    Reducing government revenue to “starve the beast” enough so that it can be drowned in Grover Norquist’s bathtub is something we hear a lot about from the sort of people who think that “government isn’t the solution, government is the problem.” The biggest thing wrong with that approach is that it doesn’t work. In the real world, the American people like government spending on worthwhile services, fatted pork, wars in Iraq, and other things too much for their elected representatives to cut spending to match revenues. So when we cut taxes before cutting spending, the result is always a big budget deficit and the problems that the deficit causes: high interest rates, a weak dollar, and so on.

    I happen to think that government can be a force for good when it isn’t being run by idiots and thieves like the Bush Administration. As someone else pointed out today, a nation with a Libertarian economy and nobody on the government tit is: Somalia.

  • just once, i’d like to see people stop confusing bill gates’ and warren buffett’s net worth with their income.

    neither of them is paid particularly large sums of money: they’ve earned their wealth through capital gains, not hedge-fund manager level compensation.

    that said, kinsley is correct about thompson and the essentially (within the gop) religious issue of tax cuts and revenues: you cannot, for a second, allow the notion that tax cuts are not the perfect solution enter into your conversation.

    me? i keep wondering why, if tax cuts are such a splendid elixir for everything economic, some republican doesn’t propose cutting taxes to .000000000001%? revenues should soar!

  • Just on a practical level I’m disgusted with Repubs who think I’m such a swallow screwup that I’m supposed to believe that getting a couple of hundred bucks a year as a “tax cut” in any way makes up for watching my country go down the tubes and Repubs spending my money like drunks.

  • Raise taxes for those who support the Iraq war/occupation till it’s paid for. If you don’t support it why should you have to pay for it.

  • The American people only like Government spending because they don’t know or don’t care how harmful the end effect of such policies are.

    I realize your goals are well-intentioned. I too, would like to make sure every American has a job, every person is able to receive health care, cure homelessness, cure poverty, save Darfur, stop Nuclear proliferation, give everyone free schooling from kindergarten through college. Those are great ideas, and very well-intentioned.

    Unfortunately, they are the exact opposite of freedom. You must realize that for every dollar the government spends, it must take that dollar from someone else. Perhaps a better steward of my money and your money would solve the problem. My solution is easy. I’ll be the steward of my own money, and you can be the steward of yours. The only competent government is self-government. No one knows better or more intimately how I need to spend my money, the money I’ve worked very hard for. For someone else to tell me, “Some guy in Washington has decided that (insert worthwhile cause here) is more deserving of your paycheck than you.”

    I don’t mind small, localized government. I like to spend money at local businesses. I donate to charities, and I volunteer at soup kitchens, the special olympics, and I always stop alongside the road to help people who have broken down.

    It is not the charity I object to; it is the force, or threat of force, used in taking the money from me. Acquiescing to this authority just doesn’t work for me. It makes me really angry, actually. Now, I don’t expect to change your mind of the notion that someone in Washington knows better than YOU how to spend YOUR money, but for some of us, the concept is anathema.

    Another underlying concern is the Constitution. This document was meant to restrain the government from growing too large. Understandably, the Founders could not have fathomed all of today’s society. However, they fully understood the problems of a government too large, of the dangers of centralized banking and fiat currency, and understood well the requirements of liberty.

    Thus they crafted the Constitution to restrain the government into a select number of areas. Anything else, the Federal government is prohibited from doing, and all other measures of governing are left to the States and to the Individual.

    If you’d like to provide Nationalized health care, at a minimum, please Amend the Constitution to do so. Unless you do that, its another tyrannical usurpation of my hard-earned money.

    I realize you believe that there are many ‘roles’ in which the Government must play because the free market has failed us. I don’t doubt that many policies have failed, but as a rule I believe it to be the cause of more meddling and protection of corporations over the individual on the part of Government, rather than less Government being the problem. If there must be a government solution to problems, and given that not all of the country is alike the other in thought, make the solutions local; If the people of Florida want health care, let the State of Florida make a health care system. In this way, you have more freedom; you may choose to live in a State of your liking, and you will have a greater effect on the laws of that State, and a chance to be a larger voice than on the federal level.

    In short, I respect your intentions but find them wanting in regards to individual freedom and liberty. I’ve seen few situations where more government was the solution. I’ve also seen no situations in which someone else was a better steward of my money than myself. We’ll never have a government that spends only on the programs that you approve of, just like we’ll never have a government that spends only on programs that I approve of. While you and I share common grounds of wanting to end the war in Iraq, we’ll disagree on others. That is why I believe a localized solution is best.

  • I always stop alongside the road to help people who have broken down. — Jason, @18

    And that road has been built for you by… the local Chamber of Commerce, right? And you learnt your 3Rs… at home, or at a private school, no? And, of course, you’re printing out your own dollars to pay for all that, eh?

    I don’t know why you want to stop dismantling the government at the state level. Why allow a state to tax you? Or even your town? They all, down to the last individual, should adopt your maxim: “I’ll be the steward of my own money, and you can be the steward of yours.”

  • Republicans have already won the tax issues all across the country. The november elections all across the country proved that. 07
    Cut taxes revenue goes up. Poor people have to pay more. Poor people need to produce more in this country and stop being parasites on the back of the successful. Poor people are the problem. Rangel is being laughed at by his own party. He is the gops best friend. Republicans rule the world. Get used to it.

  • Generally speaking, the roads are built by the State, or yes, the local community. Obviously, the best government is less and less State government too, but at least that authority is Constitutional.

    Lots of roads where I live are privately owned, actually. Generally speaking, these toll roads are much better maintained and streamlined than other roads, and the only people who pay for the roads, are the people who drive upon them.

    I’m not suggesting that men and women should not get together, and join together their money in a common cause that is beneficial and worthwhile. I heartily approve of all voluntary associations. There should, however, be no reason to force who doesn’t drive, for example, to pay for those who do. We’ll never have a perfectly free society, but that’s no reason why we can’t push for those more heinous programs to end. The goal of every government at every level should always be to maximize the freedom of the individual.

    People joining together for voluntary associations happens all the time, and it works brilliantly. In addition to private toll roads, people join their money together for private charities, both domestic and international (Red Cross? Christian Children’s Fund?). They join their money together to build a business. Look at the One Child per Laptop program. Private corporations donating millions. There is no reason to force American generosity. We are by nature helpful to our fellow humans, and without a gun to our head telling us we -have- to be charitable, I believe we’ll do even more than we have so far. Call me an optimist.

  • Often overlooked is the suggestion by some like Mike Gravel that only NEW products would produce the national sales tax.

    This would make new items more costly and encourage repairs to machines we currently throw away because some minor problem costs more to fix than buying new.
    Wealthy folks buy more new goods and would get taxed more heavily.

    That said, I could foresee congress writing in thousands of other exemptions and end up with a sales tax every bit as complicated as the current income tax. Any benefit would be temporary at best. Soon enough, used goods would be taxed too.

    Finally, let ius not forget the other half of teh Laffer curve. The one the conservatives would liek us to think takes up the whole spectrum.

    If you tax at 100%, a tax cut WILL produce more revenue because a few crazy people will actually start to charge money for their services to pocket a few pennies and send the dollars to Washington. The entirety of the argument should say that tax cuts produce more tax revenue when tax rates exceed a certain level and they cost revenue when tax rates are below a certain level.
    This doesn’t fit sound byte societies like ours, but we mustn’t get sloppy insisting that tax cuts COULD never produce revenue increases just because in real world situations they generally don’t.

  • About the FairTax, you said
    > There’s a complicated business in the fair tax about rebating it for spending up to
    > the poverty line, but that doesn’t change the basic math of revenue neutrality —
    > that if rich people pay less, poor and middle-class people pay more. And they
    > will feel it more.

    I assert that this will have several beneficial side effects for the poor and middle class. 1) They would be aware of all the taxes they are paying. 2) They will be incented to save more, spend less, lower their tax burden. 3) There wouldn’t be a horde of politicians pandering to their greed and jealousy by way of modifying the tax code.

    > Including state sales taxes, there would be a governmental
    > surcharge of one-third or more on everything you buy.

    If you believe the 23% inclusive number, then guess what — you are already paying the “one-third or more” on everything you buy, it’s just being filtered through manufacturers, retailers, brokers, auditors, IRS agents, politicians, and accountants before Uncle Sam gets it. The FairTax just bundles all those fingers into one place – the cash register.

    Oh, and BTW, if you don’t think that number is right (23%) then in the end we are just haggling about price.

    Quentin

  • In response to Jason, I appreciate your comments. Clearly this would be very desirable (and I’m not just patronizing).

    Unfortunately, free market economics fail for the same reason communism fails: human nature. Let me explain.

    Wealth and power are limited resources. Clearly then, many of those who possess these resources will use every means at their disposal to limit the ability of others to compete fairly for these resources. This stifles innovation because good ideas cannot succeed on merit alone. Even worse, innovation isn’t even required to mantain an advantage over your would-be competetors.

    While an expanding market may offer some additional opportunities for would-be competetors, for the most part our world economy is closing up more and more,

    Basically, free markets move economies toward greater and greater consolidation of wealth and power (consider the last 7 years a sample). These economies may be efficient. I just don’t see the the vast majority of the hard working country benefiting much.

    Over regulation can certainly be bad. However, the only way to really maintain our freedom to complete is with regulation and oversight. Regulation and oversight means we need to properly fund government and populate it with individuals who at least believe government ‘can’ work.

    Now, this certainly doesn’t relieve we citizens from our oversight abilities. That’s why term ‘nanny state’ simply doesn’t apply. On the contrary, we citizens must assume our responsibility in ensuring that the government we elect serves the needs of the majority of the nation and not the those who can ‘buy’ influence.

    A couple of other points. The public sector is very good at some things and has been responsible for enabling a great deal of the economic growth in this country. For example, the highway system enabled the economic growth that accompanied the American manufactoring boom (let alone the auto industry). The Internet was developed by the government. We are still soaking up those dollars. The private sector simply doesn’t have a commitment to long term investment that tasks such as these require.

    Just some thoughts for the dialog.

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