The Tet Defensive

Guest Post by John Cole

The Drudge Report is flashing this headline from Breitbart:

“Bush draws Vietnam lesson for Iraq: don’t quit”

That isn’t the only thing Bush has learned from Viet Nam. As a life-long Republican, I can tell you that there is a not-insignificant portion of the GOP that is still convinced that Viet Nam could have been won, had we only stayed for a few more years and spent more of our blood and treasure. At any rate, Bush has learned from the Vietnam War- perceptions matter:

The Tet Offensive can be considered a military defeat for the Communist forces, as neither the Viet Cong nor the North Vietnamese army achieved their tactical goals. Furthermore, the operational cost of the offensive was dangerously high, with the Viet Cong essentially crippled by the huge losses inflicted by South Vietnamese and other Allied forces. Nevertheless, the Offensive is widely considered a turning point of the war in Vietnam, with the NLF and PAVN winning an enormous psychological and propaganda victory. Although US public opinion polls continued to show a majority supporting involvement in the war, this support continued to deteriorate and the nation became increasingly polarized over the war.[1] President Lyndon Johnson saw his popularity fall sharply after the Offensive, and he withdrew as a candidate for re-election in March of 1968. The Tet Offensive is frequently seen as an example of the value of media influence and popular opinion in the pursuit of military objectives.

And thus, the ham-fisted “Final Push” is born:

President George Bush has told senior advisers that the US and its allies must make “a last big push” to win the war in Iraq and that instead of beginning a troop withdrawal next year, he may increase US forces by up to 20,000 soldiers, according to sources familiar with the administration’s internal deliberations.

Mr Bush’s refusal to give ground, coming in the teeth of growing calls in the US and Britain for a radical rethink or a swift exit, is having a decisive impact on the policy review being conducted by the Iraq Study Group chaired by Bush family loyalist James Baker, the sources said.

It is, for all intents and purposes, the inverse Tet, an operation designed not to achieve any appreciable strategic or tactical victory on the ground in Iraq, but to neuter opposition to the disastrous war management at home. This ‘final push’ will achieve little- the country is already too embroiled in what is now a low grade civil war, and a two-week effort to secure Baghdad while the rest of the nation is blowing up is, at this point, futile (maybe we can go take Fallujah- again). However, the final push can (and probably will) put the Democrats and the Iraq Study Group on the defensive, and I see no reason to pretend that this latest Bush idea is little more than a cynical and transparent attempt to control the debate at home.

This administration has earned my cynicism- after all, you remember how we got here:

“From a marketing point of view, you don’t introduce new products in August.”

And thus, the ham-fisted “Final Push” is born:

I love the “ham-fisted” characterization. Bush is so inept.

  • “The elections mean that the American people want to know whether or not we have a plan for success,” said Bush.

    Bush is nuts if he thinks that was what I voted for. I didn’t vote for a final push. He sends 20,000 more troops and my final push will be into impeachment hearings!!!

  • Bush learned one lesson from Viet Nam and he has passed it on to the rest of his large family: don’t serve. They clearly have put that lesson into practice.

  • Probably already heard this one by now but…

    Iraq ain’t no Vietnam.

    They are completely different. For example, Bush had a plan to get out of Iraq…..

  • Translation: The ‘decider’ has decided to kill and maim more troops to help him save face at home.

    Please cut the money off. Please hold this miserable excuse of a human responsible for his crimes.

  • I pulled a Kerry and botched the joke. Here it is fixed.

    Iraq ain’t no Vietnam.

    They are completely different. For example, Bush had a plan to get out of Vietnam..…..

  • The previous “Big Push” in Baghdad that started in June resulted in 359 American troops dying, with a peak last month. Iraqi deaths also peaked last month. So I guess “Big Pushes” are a good idea, Mr. President?

    Let’s ask Ambassador Khalilzad? Amb: “It has not produced the results I expected so far”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/baghdad-crackdown-not-succeeding/

    Also, not many Iraqis used to support attacks on U.S. forces. How about now? 60%.

    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/sep06/Iraq_Sep06_rpt.pdf

  • I’m not big on sports metaphor, but this “final push” is like a quarterback, standing on his own goal line after having been pushed all the way down the field and sacked repeatedly, suggesting that he’s about to win, with just one more running play. Nothing W’s done so far has worked, but he’d have us believe we just need to do more of it.

    But if this were football, people wouldn’t be dying. I hope that his attempts to sell this idea work as well as his campaigning for Congressional candidates did.

  • Why does the current political landscape continue to root itself in labels and terms from a generation and a half ago….I am specifically talking about the incessant need to filter every polical development thru the prism of the 1960’s……..

    Between Goldwater Repubs, McGovernites, Vietnam to Iraq comparisions, John Kerry Swift boating, tired and old labels of what it means to be a “liberal”, when will these comparsions finally be forsaken to provide a true analysis of CURRENT events….enough…

    That period of time is over….we have learned and unlearned many lessons from that time period…it is time to move on ….no further benefit can be garnered from rehashing events from that period of time………

    This is not to diminish your contribution Mr Cole….its just an observation of what I believe is an unneccessary and continuing trend….

  • the truly amazing thing is just how idiotically wrong bush is! we did quit in vietnam, and 30 years later, what he calls ‘freedom” has won in vietnam.

    as for tet, what it revealed was that all the reassurances by lbj et al about how well things were going were a pack of lies. in that sense, reality, not perception, mattered.

  • Does anyone else see that Bush’s remarks are insulting to his Vietnamese hosts?
    Is he saying to them (in essence) you would not be in power, except that the Democrats quit?

  • Who wants to die to take Fallujah for the fourth time. Too much like Porkchop Hill.

    In Vietnam news today, the 1,000,000th US Soldier lost his life today after 36 years of Stay the Course. Some (unpatriotic) Americans have publicly, but quietly, questioned the tactic.

    In related news: China’s population problem has been declared solved.

    In other news: The Draft has continued to provide us with the necessary fodder, manpower for our noble Vietnam freedom fight. The Army is now considered the 13th year of high school as students transition from 12th grade to the battlefield automatically.

    In other news: The US has instituted the Guest Worker Program and opened up our borders with Mexico. Guest Workers are bused in to waiting troop carriers in San Diego for their “jobs” in Vietnam.

    Give Bush a Friedman (4-6 months) and a McCain (20,000 more troops) and he’ll be able to declare: Mission Accomplished.

  • Bush made the ill-considered comparison to Vietnam, which is why everyone is talking about that war, but his language, “the Big Push” is straight out of World War I, when arrogant generals launched a series of brutal and futile Big Pushes from the trenches into the teeth of machine guns in order to prove their manliness and honor as much as they tried to break what was essentially a stalemate. Iraq is no less brutal or futile, and Bush’s stance, like the Republicans’ in general on Vietnam, is all about their pride.

  • Is he saying to them (in essence) you would not be in power, except that the Democrats quit?

    Comment by BuzzMon

    Aw he wouldn’t say that. He means the Democrats MADE the Republicans give up.

  • It’s kinda hard to forget Vietnam when some of the same people and surely the same mindset of that time are still controlling the US.

    Only France learned the Vietnam lesson.

  • That George “I party, you die” Bush has the shameless gall to use the Vietnam War as a present day object lesson on Iraq is as nauseating as it is insulting to 52,000 dead Americans who were his contemporaries when he was chickenhawking in the Air Guard.

    And his “lesson” is shit. If we’d stayed the course in Vietnam, we’d still be there. The only way we could have “won” in Vietnam is to have endorsed the intention of Curtis LeMay to “bomb them back to the Stone Age,” and that wouldn’t have been much of a victory.

    The Tet Offensive WAS a military disaster for North Vietnam, and it did profoundly shift American public opinion. But if it never occurred, the communists would have continued to fight (and did). And would still have ultimately won.

    They would have won not only because the U. S. lost faith in the war, but because the South had little faith and little reason to fight for its succession of corrupt tyrants. That is another similarity between Vietnam and Iraq. Even the “good guys” in Iraq can’t ignore the fact that theirs is a puppet government of the U. S invader and occupier. Their leaders are what we used to call “stooges” when they were communists.

    The North Vietnamese were determined. They didn’t “fight” by sticking “Support the Troops” tags on their water buffaloes.

  • Hey what’s the deal with Breitbart? It popped up to mirror Drudge’s crap and get traffic from Drudge’s links. I wonder what kind of sweetheart deal Drudge has with them.

  • More Iraq/Vietnam differences: Instead of the Tet Offensive, we’ve got Bush, the Offensive Tit. Oh yeah, and Vietnam was already embroiled in a civil war that the US unwisely stepped into. Here, we’ve got the US unwisely stepping into a country and setting off a civil war. The list of dissimilarities between anything Bush claims and reality is endless!

    If human life wasn’t involved I’d say let him go ahead with his bone-headed plan. As it is, BushBaby’s big push involves pushing his real enemy (Democrats) to come up with another idea. After a token show of reluctance he’ll “give in” and for every soldier that dies he’ll say it is the result of the Democrat/Al Quaida network.

    To the imaginary soldiers who will magically appear in Iraq in time to make a difference, don’t forget to shout “Marmalade!”

    tAiO

    Oh yea. Welcome Mr. Cole, thanks for subbing.

  • Exactly. This “Final Push” or whatever catchy name it gets is transparent legacy protection. Just so the spoiled brat Bush can add to his false claims of giving the generals everything they needed and asked for. “See, I also tried everything strategically the bipartisan experts came up with…Not my fault.” Protect the Bush family brand.

    The real strategy for Bush remains to run out two years on the clock in Iraq to be able to hand it to the next guy. Then claim he lost it.

  • In Viet Nam we were fighting communism, in Iraq we fight entropy. Viet Nam was in a battle for reunification under a communist regime, Iraq is dividing itself into Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish areas of control through escalating civil war. Until Bush can say how all these regions can coexist peacefully and manages to broker peace among the religious leaders, war lords and militias, the conflict will continue to head toward escalating bloodshed. We don’t need 20,000 more troops, we need 20,000 more diplomats to stitch together a peace plan. Until an electric drill becomes a tool of reconstruction and not a machine of torture, no amount of bombs or bullets will put the nation back together.

  • The other money quote (lie) from your 2002 link?

    “Should Iraq acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear weapon within a year,” [Bush] told the U.N. General Assembly in New York Thursday.

    Jesus.

  • #19. The real strategy for Bush remains to run out two years on the clock in Iraq to be able to hand it to the next guy. Then claim he lost it.

    Comment by Tsulagi

    Not to worry. When Bush dies, his epitaph will read: ”Here lies a man with a perfect record of perfectly screwing up every job he ever had. He left everything much worse off than he found it.”

  • Not to worry. When Bush dies, his epitaph will read: ‘’Here lies a man with a perfect record of perfectly screwing up every job he ever had. He left everything much worse off than he found it.’’

    [Jim B.]

    I will not say that a grave marker will help us know where to piss because that would be wrong.

    However, if we say a person who succeeds at everything he does has the Midas Touch, perhaps the Bush Touch should be used to describe the opposite situation.

  • Bush’s “Succeed if we don’t quit” quote proves that he wants to protect his legacy as someone who fought a noble war but was brought down by Democrat weaklings.

    The only way to beat that down is to have Congressional investigations into the rationale for war. Let’s start with HR635.

    H.RES.635 Title: “Creating a select committee to investigate the Administration’s intent to go to war before congressional authorization, manipulation of pre-war intelligence, encouraging and countenancing torture, retaliating against critics, and to make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.”

    Sponsor: Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] (introduced 12/18/2005) Cosponsors (38)

    Click here for the list of 38 cosponsors.

    If your Congressman is not on the list of 38, CALL HIM/HER NOW.

  • You would think by now that history holds enough “ham-fisted final push” lessons to make even Dear Leader understand the dangerous folly in all of this.

    Lee tried a ham-fisted final push; a massiv stroke that was supposed to break the back of the Union. It was in a little place called Gettysburg. Lee limped back into Virginia after three days of “ham-fisting”—and horrific losses to his force. Lee did not win in Gettysburg….

    Imperial Germany tried it—and wound up getting a can of whoop-ass opened upon them. Look up the history of Germany after WW-1; it makes Depression-era America look like a picnic in the park….

    Hitler tried it, too; we now know just how expensive the “Battle of the Bulge” was for Germany.

    How about our Marines in Beirut?

    Remember Mogadishu?

    What happened to that ’99 wargame that Clinton ran with his generals; the one that pointed out that “400,000 troops could not successfully contain the Iraq issue?”

    And Herr Bush thinks he can do it with less than half the number?

  • Watch last night on TV Nut Grindwitch spell out the Replublican mantra for 08, which is that Republicans will take on the Radical Jhiad anywhere anytime while the dem’s will cut and run which means nuclear bombs exploding in american cities. War 24/7 is the only answer, keep them on the run.
    So the Bush final push is just a continuation of that concept and their belief that the American people will vote Republican in 08 only if they buy the idea that their way of life is endanger and Republican’s will make the fight real and the Demo’s will cut and run.

  • Bush’s “Succeed if we don’t quit” quote proves that he wants to protect his legacy as someone who fought a noble war but was brought down by Democrat weaklings.

    Add the media to that sentence and you the Republican strategy for every failure – We’d succeed if the liberal media and defeatist liberals weren’t in our way. Maybe also throw in “the Republicans you’re talking about weren’t real conservatives”. Republicans and their allies have peddled the same lies about the liberals and the media regarding Vietnam – despite poll after poll showing opposition to that war being across the board (i.e. not just liberals). More importantly, the press was largely deferential to the President and the military for many years of the Vietnam war. See articles and books about the Myth of the Media’s Role in Vietnam.

    Couple that with Congress giving Bush everything he wants for his two war efforts and the Republicans total control of the government and the military. We’re losing in Iraq either because it was impossible to win no matter what we did, or because Bush, Rumsfeld and the neocons combined a thoroughly misguided strategy with god-awful execution.

    I think it’s more important than ever for Democrats to be vigilant about the Republicans’ attempts to blame-shift for the Iraq and coming Afghanistan debacles.

  • I think Bush is displaying, once again, a shocking lack of historical knowledge. Someone told me he was a History major; it’s hard to believe.

    First of all, in Vietnam we had some very bad intelligence (sound familiar?) and we probably backed the wrong side just because that was the side the French colonialists had backed. Ho Chi Minn (I’m not certain of the spelling) was the natural leader of the Vietnamese people and the country was engaged in a revolution. He originally was a great admirer of all things American, especially our revolution and our democratic ideas. It is my understanding that he was devastated when we backed the French side and only turned to the Communists as a last resort.

    We were in over our head from day one, at least that is my understanding. There was a revolution going on and though we had superior military supplies and soldiers, we did not have the heart of the people. My older brother was in Vietnam during 1967-68 and because he was in the medical corps, he was in every major battle all year and was wounded during Tet. He was a surgeon, so they just patched him up and sent him back to work.

    In Vietnam we sent more troops, up to a half million, and we lost and we lost badly. My brother in law was sent on two tours of duty and came back a psychological mess. The reason Bush has such a rosy picture of what happened is because he was high. No one who was alive and conscious during that period of our history could look back with nostalgia and wish we had stayed longer. I have two words for Bush if he tries to escalate the war in Iraq further: Impeach Bush.

  • If Iraq is still buring and Amer troops still dying in 08, The dems will win the WH. So bring it on, Gringrich.

  • RE:15. Now there is a great idea. Hand Iraq off to another country! Can’t think of any country off hand stupid enough to take over, but give me a second.

  • For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction..
    Every push evokes a push back.
    Simmering violence in Iraq maintains BushCo corporate ambitions there.

    Permanent bases which secure those barrels of oil can only be justified if there is prolonged struggle. The last thing Bush wants is peaceful Iraq autonomy. The trick is to maintain sustainable unrest that causes us not to cut and run so we have the perpetual cover of the war on terror to keep a lock on oil reserves.

  • I remember suggesting in 1967 that we hire the war out to the Israelis (who had just won the 6-day war) for cost plus ten. The alternative was to move the war to Cuba so we could go home on weekends and let the National Guard take Saturdays and Sundays.

  • Are these Republicans who believe we could have won Vietnam the same “patriotic Americans” who used to harass me as an anti-war Vietnam Vet speaking on campuses back in Colorado, who – when I asked them when they were quitting school to enlist and volunteer for a combat arm like dad did in World War 2 – always shut up? Are these the same Repiublicans who (Cheney) “had other priorities,” or who (Bush) “played all day pool volleyball games with ambitious secretaries”??

    Nice to see you’ve left the party of fuckwits, morons, assholes, cowards, and hypocrites, Mr. Cole. Republicans are only scary when they’re running in a pack and scavenging dead bodies, like the jackals they are.

  • The North Vietnamese were determined. They didn’t “fight” by sticking “Support the Troops” tags on their water buffaloes. — Alibubba, @16

    You’re not kidding…

    Because Poland was communist at the time (“socialist” is how we labelled ourselves, but most people in the West haven’t read enough Marx and Lenin to know the diff ), we were pro N.Vietnam and anti all kinds of things (mostly — anything US did or supported). One of the results was that we gave University scholarships to a lot of Vietnamese (among others). Since I liked to hang around the U’s “International Club” (always trying to improve my English as well as get a bigger window at the world ), I met some of them.

    In a conversation, one of the boys described how his entire village, faced with approaching Americans, dis-assembled two cannons and carried the components up the mountain, where the cannons were re-assembled and used to repel the invader. He himself carried a piece, with another child and his face still lit up with pride, when he talked about it 4 or 5 yrs later. Reminded me of the stories I heard from my parents’ friends about 10yr olds carrying messages in the August ’44 uprising in Warsaw and 12yr olds lobbing Molotov cocktails at German tanks.

    Invasion of a country is *always* a bad idea; only a self-defensive war has any moral standing. The only reason the population of Iraq has not been decimating us is that Iraq had not been a cohesive country to begin with and that they’re settling old scores first, with the invader being a secondary target (possibly for practical reason — not as easy to annihilate as the “wrong religion” neighbor or a US collaborator). That’s something that didn’t happen in Poland until WWII was over.

  • Two things things that Iraq has that will never allow it to become a new capitalist enterprise like Viet Nam — OIL and radical Islam. But, in the long run, the rapid, unsustainable economic growth in Viet Nam may prove to be just as dangerous and destabilizing as the problems in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East. The Bright and Shining Lie persists in Viet Nam and the global capitalists perpetuate it with the aid of river of oil. We will never learn the big lessons of either war.

  • Bush’s statements, yesterday concerning what he had learned from the Vietnam war left me spluttering and thinking about the nature of ‘Folly’.. First, I would like to recommend a great book by
    the great American historian Barbara Tuchman, ‘The March of Folly: From Troy to Vietnam’. In this book Tuchman sets out what constitutes true Folly as committed by a nation, using the fall of Troy in the Homer’s Iliad as example. She saw Folly as having four components:
    1) The act must be one of choice , something not closely bound to the national interest. In her first example, the Trojans had no pressing need to bring that big wooden horse inside the gates of the city.
    2) The nation must have been clearly warned against this action.
    In the example, Cassandra’s warning, ”Beware of Greeks bearing gifts” falls on deaf ears.
    3) The act must be done without thought of any of it’s consequences. In the example, ‘Why would you want a big Greek horse inside the walls of your city, in the first place”?
    4) Having committed the act, a nation must do something to make the possible negative consequences much worse. In the example, after bringing the Trojan horse inside the gates the army of Troy sets out to get dead drunk.

    In her book Tuchman sets out about half a dozen historical examples of true national ‘Folly’ ending with Vietnam. There is no clearer textbook example Folly in recent history than Iraq. That it was a war of choice and that all warnings against it were ignored is obvious, as is the lack of any consideration of consequences .The disbanding of the Iraqi army and ‘debaathification of the civil government are strong contenders for point #4 but there are of course others….

    The Greeks had a word for the real lesson of all this, ‘Hubris’. Arrogant leaders never learn from their mistakes and nations that willfully believe they will, whether in Nixon’s ‘Secret Plan for Peace in Vietnam’, or Bush’s ‘New Course in Iraq’ are bound for tragedy.

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