The torture-tape destruction story doesn’t add up

As of Sunday, the official line on the destruction of the CIA’s torture tapes was that the agency had been warned to preserve the videos. The White House, in particular, was at least tacitly aware of the videos’ existence, and the White House counsel’s office urged the CIA to keep them intact.

So, who exactly was involved in identifying incriminating evidence and giving the order to destroy it? The NYT reports today that CIA lawyers “gave written approval in advance” of the 2005 video destruction.

The former intelligence official acknowledged that there had been nearly two years of debate among government agencies about what to do with the tapes, and that lawyers within the White House and the Justice Department had in 2003 advised against a plan to destroy them. But the official said that C.I.A. officials had continued to press the White House for a firm decision, and that the C.I.A. was never given a direct order not to destroy the tapes.

“They never told us, ‘Hell, no,'” he said. “If somebody had said, ‘You cannot destroy them,’ we would not have destroyed them.”

The former official spoke on condition of anonymity because there is a continuing Justice Department inquiry into the matter. He said he was sympathetic to Jose A. Rodriguez Jr., the former chief of the clandestine branch, who has been described by intelligence officials as having authorized the destruction of the tapes. The former official said he was concerned that Mr. Rodriguez was being unfairly singled out for blame in the destruction of the tapes.

That seems like a safe bet. Kevin Drum summarized just how weak the latest version of events from the Bush administration really is: “The White House had been in the loop for two years. The CIA had received letters from both the Justice Department and congressional leaders arguing that the tapes shouldn’t be destroyed. The CIA’s top lawyer had been involved for the entire time. And yet we’re supposed to believe that, in 2005, a mid-ranking agency lawyer suddenly decided the tapes could be destroyed and the head of the clandestine branch then gave the order to do so without anyone else being involved? Really? Does anyone actually believe this story?”

No, not if they’re paying attention they won’t. Oliver Willis’ observation was quite apt: “The #1 Rule for the Bush Administration: If they say something, don’t believe them.”

Other headlines from the torture-tape controversy:

* The WaPo reports that top CIA officials are scheduled to appear today “before a closed congressional hearing to account for the decision to destroy recordings of the interrogations of Abu Zubaida and another senior captive, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.”

* Also yesterday, as expected, Reps. Silvestre Reyes (D-Tex.) and Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.), the two top members of the House Intelligence Committee, announced that their panel is “launching its own investigation into the tapes’ destruction.”

* CIA Director Michael Hayden has emphasized in recent days that the House Intelligence Committee has been “properly notified” of the tapes and their destruction. Reyes and Hoekstra said in a statement that Hayden’s claim “does not appear to be true.”

* The NYT report added, “The C.I.A. has said that the two interrogations shown in the videotapes occurred in 2002, and that the taping of interrogations stopped that year. On Monday, however, a lawyer representing a former prisoner who said he was held by the C.I.A. said the prisoner saw cameras in interrogation rooms after 2002.”

* The LAT considers in some detail whether the CIA likely obstructed justice. The paper concludes that “such questions are a close call.”

* And while the White House’s role seems to be getting bigger, we apparently won’t be getting any additional information from press briefings.

Stay tuned.

It’s Tyranny 101 here folks. The Dicktator calls the shots and King George makes them law.

Torture tapes? What torture tapes?

Accountability? What accountability?

Oversight? What oversight?

Constitutional Republic? What Constitutional Republic?

  • i keep hoping that one of these investigations finally results in something positive. but, i’m not holding my breath………

  • “The #1 Rule for the Bush Administration: If they say something, don’t believe them.”

    We’ve known that all along. I’m sure Bush’s pre-presidency co-investors knew it all too well, long before that. The most depressing news for me, this week anyway, is that at least four top Democrats having been lying about the things we blame Bush for.

    The only options left seems to be a Special Prosecutor or … 1776 comes to mind.

    C’mon, Pelosi. You’ve already made all the goodie-goodie history you’re going to by getting the speakership. Now how about making some real history? Begin those impeachment hearings at long last.

  • “The #1 Rule for the Bush Administration: If they say something, don’t believe them.”*

    *except concerning the events of 9/11

  • “Now how about making some real history? Begin those impeachment hearings at long last.”

    That would be pretty fun to watch especially since Ms. Nancy as well as other high ranking Dems were “for the torture before they were against it!”

  • I’m sure the real reason why they destroyed the tapes is explained fully in a secret legal opinion that will fall under “executive priviledge”, if it hasn’t also been destroyed to protect National Security.

    Banana. Republic.

  • “They never told us, ‘Hell, no,’” he said. “If somebody had said, ‘You cannot destroy them,’ we would not have destroyed them.”

    Is THAT the new threshold?

    We should require every president asked if they’ll defend the Constitution to respond: “Hell, yes!”???
    Is THAT where we went wrong? A little late, but thanks for the tip.

    Clinton didn’t say: “Hell, no! I didn’t sleep with that woman…”
    Bush Sr. didn’t say “Hell, no! No new taxes.”
    Nixon didn’t say “Hell, no! I’m not a crook.”

    We all could have saved ourselves a LOT of time and embarrassment if only we’d known.

  • JRS jr– If you knew anything about the process of classified briefings, then you wouldn’t be saying that.

    Had the lawmakers come out against the practice publicly, they would have been subject to charges and jail-time themselves, merely for exposing the practice.

    It’s all high-and-mighty now to second-guess their quiet now, but, remember, the public atmosphere in 2003 wasn’t exactly conducive to, and would have hung out to dry, any politician who had those sort of charges levelled against them.

    It’s very easy to judge someone else’s actions. How about what choice will you make when it’s YOUR ass on the line?

  • It’s very easy to judge someone else’s actions. How about what choice will you make when it’s YOUR ass on the line?

    LOL — I could say the same thing to when W is constantly criticized. McCain seemed to never have a problem speaking out against it. You just solidified the #1 perception surrounding the Dem Party: IT HAS NO BACKBONE!

  • There is one possible bright spot, If the tapes are destroyed, probably they have taken with them the only hard evidence that torture might have produced valuable information.
    The Bushies may claim it, but can’t prove it.
    So when, hopefully, some of these slime ball sociopaths get arrested, here or overseas and tried, their ability to argue that the abuse was justified, has been destroyed.

  • The destruction of evidence in a terrorist investigation is a FELONY VIOLATION of the USA Patriot Act.

    This is soooooooo easy, if you will just READ the Patriot Act.

    Clear tools for prosecution of those who destroy evidence in an investigation by the US government into terrorism is a FELONY VIOLATION of the USA Patriot Act.

    Fear of the Patriot Act is so real that ignorance of this law is comfort.

    Do you deserve your freedoms?

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