‘The very fundamental issue is, they don’t know where the hell they’re going’

Increasingly anxious to appear competent and in control, the Bush gang is reportedly looking for a “war czar” who would oversee the United States’ role in Iraq and Afghanistan. There are, of course, a few problems with this, not the least of which is the fact that no one actually wants the job.

The White House wants to appoint a high-powered czar to oversee the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with authority to issue directions to the Pentagon, the State Department and other agencies, but it has had trouble finding anyone able and willing to take the job, according to people close to the situation.

At least three retired four-star generals approached by the White House in recent weeks have declined to be considered for the position, the sources said, underscoring the administration’s difficulty in enlisting its top recruits to join the team after five years of warfare that have taxed the United States and its military.

“The very fundamental issue is, they don’t know where the hell they’re going,” said retired Marine Gen. John J. “Jack” Sheehan, a former top NATO commander who was among those rejecting the job. Sheehan said he believes that Vice President Cheney and his hawkish allies remain more powerful within the administration than pragmatists looking for a way out of Iraq. “So rather than go over there, develop an ulcer and eventually leave, I said, ‘No, thanks,’ ” he said.

On the surface, shaking up the chain of command like this reeks of desperation. The whole endeavor seems geared towards creating a White House photo op, where the president can say, “See? I’m doing something.”

Except he really isn’t. Even if Bush could find someone for this very bizarre job, what, exactly, would the person do? As Kevin Drum explained, “We already have Secretaries of State and Defense, we already have a military chain of command, and we already have an NSC that’s supposed to coordinate all this stuff. Does anyone truly think that a shiny new White House staffer with no budgetary authority, no bureaucratic support, and little in the way of institutional levers of control is going to be able to magically get everyone on the same page sometime in the next few months? It’s a suicide mission.”

How bad is it? Retired Army Gen. Jack Keane, who literally helped craft the current “surge” policy, was offered the gig. He didn’t want it either. That bodes well, doesn’t it?

The generals who heard the pitch seem convinced that the president and his team just don’t know what they’re doing.

Sheehan, a 35-year Marine, served on the Defense Policy Board advising the Pentagon early in the Bush administration and at one point was reportedly considered by then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to be chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He now works as an executive at Bechtel Corp. developing oil projects in the Middle East.

In an interview yesterday, Sheehan said that Hadley contacted him and they discussed the job for two weeks but that he was dubious from the start. “I’ve never agreed on the basis of the war, and I’m still skeptical,” Sheehan said. “Not only did we not plan properly for the war, we grossly underestimated the effect of sanctions and Saddam Hussein on the Iraqi people.”

In the course of the discussions, Sheehan said, he called around to get a better feel for the administration landscape.

“There’s the residue of the Cheney view — ‘We’re going to win, al-Qaeda’s there’ — that justifies anything we did,” he said. “And then there’s the pragmatist view — how the hell do we get out of Dodge and survive? Unfortunately, the people with the former view are still in the positions of most influence.”

And to think, retired four-star generals don’t want to step into this mess and fight against Cheney’s reality-rejecting worldview and Bush’s deer-in-the-headlights incompetence. Here’s a tip for the White House: those generals didn’t get stars on their shoulder by being stupid.

And why take a job where you know that despite the “follow the advice of the generals on the ground” rhetoric, your decisions will likely be overruled/ignored by the decider and the war criminal/prince of darkness.

  • That is a losing proposition and the generals that are smart/qualified for the job are smart enough to know it’s a loosing proposition. They are also smart enough to know they will never ever get past what Cheney wants – he will always be an obsticle to whatever gets done (unless it is what he wants). Of course this is likely to say something about whomever gets the job – assuming they can ever find a sucker stupid enough to take it.

  • I would gladly accept the job of War Czar. My first official act would be to arrest Bush and Cheney and the rest of the top echelon bunglers and transport them promptly to Nurenberg to be tried as war criminals.

  • I’ll take the job. I was a Lance Corporal in the Marine Corps in the early ’60’s (volunteered) and I didn’t desert. I am clearly vastly more qualified for the job than the entire Federal Administration.

    CB, when the WH calls, you can give them my e-mail address.

  • Oh yeah, that sounds like a good idea. They may as well try to resurrect General William Westmoreland.

  • Why in the world would anyone want this job? Everyone knows that the real “war czar” is Cheney, and that bloody fool is going to continue presiding over the spiral of death no matter who gets a fancy title.

  • Here’s a tip for the White House: those generals didn’t get stars on their shoulder by being stupid.

    But the corollary to that is: “you can always find a general who’s stupid enough…”

    Remember how Petraeus came by his job?

  • looks like cheney is becoming more and more of an albatross around bush’s neck.

    more importantly, your point is well made. bush already has an entire team in place whose jobs are to direct this war. the problem is bush himself.

  • Kevin Drum, as cited by CB, nails it. We already have a war czar – he’s called the Secretary of Defense. That’s his job: making sure the US is ready and able to carry out military missions. We don’t need a new position. We need competent people in the positions we’ve got.

  • #3 – Buffalonian – how dare you suggest arresting your own president and VP and sending them to Nuremberg to be tried as war criminals? That is an OUTRAGEOUS proposition and should be condemned.

    (What I would suggest is, we should try them in the Hague, not Nuremberg)

  • I would go one step further than KMB: the Constitution provides for a War Czar. His title is Commander in Chief. If neither he, nor anyone on his orders, was coordinating the efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, or coordinating the Departments of Defense and State, for the past 4 years — or longer, really, as the most important coordination should have occurred before the first American was put in harms way — then his malfeasance is criminal. Particularly in regard to the lives, yes this is obviously the right word, wasted. This is an admission that should haunt him the rest of his days on Earth and through his eternity in hell. The public has long concluded that BushCo bothed planning for the aftermath of the invasion and “regime change.” We now know he never even truly planned for the invasion itself.

    Remember that 1970s environmental ad where the native American finds trash despoiling the land and weeps a silent tear? We need a new one where the Uncle Sam of the old military recruiting posters looks at the way Bush has trashed the country and has the same reaction.

  • Obviously, they are looking for a way to cover their a$$. Zeitgeist said it best when he said that they already have a person in this position: The CIC. If they can find a general to take the blame for the failure of the surge, and thus the final idea they have, then they can take the heat off of the civilian leadership. (CIC, SecDef, etc.) No wonder no one is taking the bait. The prez said he was the Decider, and no one wants to take that title away from him.

  • Well, Bush is our war president; now all he needs is someone who will carry out all his wishes with no questions asked. Someone who will serve at his pleasure.

    I think that what they are really saying is that they want a Secretary of War. Or maybe a Secretary of Perpetual War.

    Welcome to 1984.

  • A person to oversee the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, let’s see…perhaps this could a secretarial level position. Maybe we could call this position the secretary of…offense…no wait! I know, we could call it the Secretary of Defense!

    It’s like that episode of the Simpsons where Homer reinvents the turn signals for his special car.

    Good God, these people are dumb. Is no one surprised that absolutely no one wants this job?

  • WarCzar = Scapegoat from hour one. One more tree for the Shrub to hide behind.

    Shruby needs a few hundred WarCzar’s to keep his sorry, no account ass out of sight for the next 21 months. There’s going to be a high rate of attrition.

  • Another example of the “MBA” president – create a position, delegate authority, then scapegoat the heck out of the person dumb enough to sign on. Brilliant!

    You know, the more I think about this whole thing, the more irritated I get.

  • If the GOP in Congress was really interested in and wanted to improve their standing with the American public and their electoral chances, they would bring articles of impeachment of Bush/Cheney now, and then taunt the Dems for being such wimps for failing to do so sooner.

  • Zeitgeist, you’re right: the title of the position in charge of coordinating Defense, State, and “other agencies” is POTUS. Bush finally seems to be looking to bench himself.

    Another chore I think Congress could handle better — if they just would.

  • What this country needs to do is create a separate, (but equal), branch of gov’t to just do War. It can be the Hostilities Branch and it’s purpose would be the advocacy of good National War attitude and performance as they dovetail with our other national priorities.

    Then again, I guess our current Executive Branch sort of qualifies.

  • In Petraeus’ defense, he said he could give an answer by June if the job (whatever “the job” is, Bush never actually SAYS) can be done. Not that it wouldbe done, not that he’d need more time, IF it could be done. He left himself open to the possibility of failure; a mark of realism absent from most of the administration.

  • “…what, exactly, would the person do?”

    Take the heat which ought to be focused on Bush and the rest of the Crime Family.

    I already loathe the GOP. Now I’m developing a loathing for those who could act to remove, or at least contain, these criminals but won’t.

    The only change in the Quagmire graph that’s taken place since the Democrats took Congress is an increase in the death rate:
    * the daily death rate prior to last November’s election is 2.1
    * for the whole period since the election the rate is 2.9
    * since the Democrats actually took office the daily rate is 3.0

  • Another thinly-veiled attempt by the Cheney administration to insulate the Usurper-In-Chief from criminal culpability in the God-less butchery that is the imperialistic military occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Impeach! Let us say this with one loud and clear voice! IMPEACH! Before the Republic is destroyed! IMPEACH! Before freedom is completely replaced by fascist autocracy! IMPEACH! Before another mass-terror frame-up is perpetrated on American soil!

  • Why would anybody be stupid enough to take this job? Oh, okay, maybe some flunky from a no-name Bible college.

    But, anybody competent is going to realize that Bush is going to ignore anyone’s advise that doesn’t match up with his narrow view of the world. He certainly ignored the – comparative – sage advise given by the ISG last year.

    And, to those above who noted we already HAVE a “war-czar” in the forms of the C-in-C and SecDef, you’re absolutely correct.

  • This dates back to the very beginning of the war. In “State of Denial”, Bob Woodward relates a conversation Colin Powell has with President Bush and Condi Rice pre-war. Powell points out that General Franks has control of the military side, but Jay Garner has the civilian side. They have no supervisor in theater, so every disagreement has to come back to Washington for resolution.

    4 years later and they still haven’t solved that basic problem.

  • “War Czar”? Am I mistaken or is that the President’s job? I don’t think the point is to make it look like he’s doing something, but rather create another potential scapegoat. He scapegoats his generals, he even finally scapegoated Rumsfeld, but Bush himself can do no wrong. But in reality he has consistently been tragically, horribly wrong, every time. (Nitpicking but I should qualify since 2002. I think Afghanistan was necessary and done well until he decided to get distracted.) He needs more scapegoats, and that’s what this is about.

  • Oooh, I hope they find someone to take this gig. I have a very nice bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell.

    On a more serious note I’m surprised BushBrat can look at a soldier without spitting in his eye. He knows he’s looking for a scapegoat and will Heh. Heh. Heh. If somone is stupid enough to take it. The man’s contempt for members of the armed forces really knows no bounds.

  • Well this should drive another stake through the heart of Goldwater “Republicans are for smaller government” conservatism. Expanding the size of government simply so the President can hire another whipping boy and fall guy is par for the course for this Republican party. Our tax dollars hard at work so the prez can have soomeone else to blame.

    And why does the Decider want to outsource his decision making on his most lasting legacy? It’s not like he’s making any other decisions these days. Can anyone else name anything he’s doing other than defending his wars?

  • Following Zeitgeist, lotus and almost everyone else, what the Bush gang are looking for is a ‘President’. I guess any old president might do, but at least one who’s there.. well, at least all there.

    Maybe BushBrat looked in the mirror recently and — shock horror — discovered he wasn’t there. “Heebie-jeebies, I’m not a BushBrat, I’m a BushBat” he screamed, and flapped off down the corridor in search of a new victim…

  • The Army’s Broken, the Marine Corps is stretched pretty thin, the Navy’s over-stressed and the Air Force has a run in it’s stocking. We’d have trouble defending ourselves against Lichtenstein if they made a move now.

    National Guard/Reserves are bordering on collapse. We need Someone with a degree of competence. We also need to either get out of Iraq or re-instate large scale conscription.

  • “Remember that 1970s environmental ad where the native American finds trash despoiling the land and weeps a silent tear? We need a new one where the Uncle Sam of the old military recruiting posters looks at the way Bush has trashed the country and has the same reaction.” – zeitgeist @11.

    Excellent idea. And just for the record, the weeping Native American was portrayed by a gentleman named Iron Eyes Cody (real name Espera De Corti). A very interesting person you can read more about here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eyes_Cody

    http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/ironeyes.htm

    Slightly OT, but that ad has been mentioned several times and it makes a change of pace from the constant sturm und drang of the political world we live in.

  • zeitgeist,

    Remember that 1970s environmental ad where the native American finds trash despoiling the land and weeps a silent tear? We need a new one where the Uncle Sam of the old military recruiting posters looks at the way Bush has trashed the country and has the same reaction.

    Great idea. My only modification would be to not use the Uncle Sam caricature but instead use a few veterans from WWII. Some infantry, maybe even one of the recently decorated Tuskugee airmen. That would be a moving ad. And would really hit home with the part of the electorate that still has a tremendous influence on election day.

    Moveon.org, you listening? Soros, you paying attention? This is a fantastic idea.

  • Re: the remarks about the Sec. Def.:

    If you read the article carefully, they want someone to coordinate all government efforts in Iraq and Afgh., that would cut across the DoD, State, and other agencies, and would report directly to Bush and would have the authority to give orders.

    This is to replace Meghan O’Sullivan, who was the highest official with responsibility solely for Iraq and Afgh., but reported to the national security director and had no authority to give orders.

    (Meghan mostly served the function of comic relief. She would give generals Powerpoint presentations on how the war was supposed to be going. She was quite mad of course.)

  • The White House wants to appoint a high-powered czar to oversee the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with authority to issue directions to the Pentagon, the State Department and other agencies, but it has had trouble finding anyone able and willing to take the job, according to people close to the situation.

    — The job description of a President.

    Normally, in a democracy.. ah, but yes.. of course, how stupid of me.

  • Zeitgeist said it best when he said that they already have a person in this position: The CIC.– mikem, @12

    It’s fun to speak more than one language… In Polish, “cyc” (pronounced: ts-i-ts) means “boob” (as in “tit” , crude for “breast”). And, what do you know…it fits perfectly…

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