There’s got to be a better way to kill someone

Guest Post by Morbo

It seems that America has been dragged – or perhaps has simply lurched and stumbled – to a crossroads over the death penalty.

As a recent article in The New York Times Magazine noted, the most common form of state-sponsored execution used these days — lethal injection — is now under fire, legally and morally. In some states, it is being challenged as a form of “cruel and unusual” punishment.

The irony is, lethal injection was devised because the previous method, the gas chamber, was deemed to be too barbaric. It failed to provide a quick death. A condemned person could easily sit around for 11 minutes choking to death.

The gas chamber had superseded the electric chair. Although the chair is still legal for use in some states, several gruesome tales of prisoners who were cooked alive led to its reconsideration.

Of course, the electric chair had taken the place of the firing squad, which was also deemed too crude for the modern era. But it’s worth remembering that at one point, the firing squad was seen as a great advancement over hanging.

It seems we just can’t get a foolproof method for capital punishment.

As The Times Magazine pointed out, it is also becoming increasingly difficult to find doctors willing to provide lethal injections. Most professional medical associations have policies advising doctors not to take part in executions. This leads amateurs to step in, often with unpleasant results.

Elizabeth Weil writes of a legal document that describes problems with lethal injection in several states. Included in the document, Weil says, “are stories of inmates, like one in Ohio, raising his head in the middle of his own execution to say, ‘It’s not working.’ In Alabama, officials at one point said they would execute an inmate who had compromised veins by placing an IV in the saphenous vein in his arm; that vein is actually in the leg…. As these various court proceedings were unfolding, corrections officials in Starke, Fla., executed Angel Diaz by lethal injection on Dec. 13, 2006. But because the execution team punctured the veins in Diaz’s arms when putting in the intravenous catheters, forcing the drugs into the soft tissue instead, Diaz grimaced for as long as 26 minutes, suffering from 11-inch and 12-inch chemical burns on his left and right arms respectively, and took 34 minutes to die.”

It’s obvious this “humane” form of capital punishment isn’t so humane after all. Therefore, I’d like to make a suggestion: Let’s go back to the guillotine.

Think of it: If the blade is kept sharp enough and dropped from a sufficient height, death is instantaneous. The method cannot fail. The condemned prisoner experiences little pain. Yes, there is a little blood, but nothing that can’t be cleaned up afterward. There’s no need to have a doctor present at all. (Put those stories about people’s heads remaining alive after separation from the body out of your mind. They are anecdotal.)

I’m being facetious, of course. I make this suggestion merely to point out that what we seek — a pleasant way to kill someone — does not exist.

The article points out that Americans are conflicted over the death penalty. I can understand that. I’ve felt it myself. Reading some of the stories of the crimes committed in The Times Magazine article — one man raped, tortured and killed a teenage girl — makes you cry out for vengeance.

But that is the reptile part of your brain crying out, and it must be resisted. The more rational side tells us the obvious: There is no way to execute someone that does not involve some pain, physical, psychic or both.

If we really are at a crossroads over the death penalty, let’s take some time to pause and reflect there. Perhaps we need to think about the cost of the pain involved in the procedure – to the individual executed and the society that sanctions it.

While I agree that there some crimes that probably deserve the death penalty, I’m completely against it until a fool-proof method can be found to ensure that no innocents are murdered for crimes they did not commit.

  • The only “sane” method of killing a prisoner is to put them in a small room, provide them with a bunk, a toilet, a sink, and a source of light, pass their three-meals-per-day through a slot in the solid steel door, and toss them into a shower-pit once per day with a hose-crew standing by. Provide them with clean bedding and clothes, and something to read (Bibles, Korans, etc. only upon request of the prisoner—we’re not going into the governmental proselytizing business). The corpse is removed and summarily disposed of—via cremation—upon the prisoner’s death. No TV; no radio; no million-dollars-worth-of-exercise-equipment pampering. No alcohol; drugs, or tobacco products. No “counseling:” no “rehabilitation.” No “conjugal rights” crap, either. Death by total isolation; death by “shunning.”

  • Most nations have realized “humane killing” is a contradiction in terms and stopped executions. The ones that still do include the Axis of Evil and Cuba. Countries we in the US are taught to loathe. Why then do we want anything in common with them?

    Here is a complete list of countries that still use the death penalty for “ordinary crimes” (From Amnesty International):

    AFGHANISTAN, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, BAHAMAS, BAHRAIN, BANGLADESH, BARBADOS, BELARUS, BELIZE, BOTSWANA, BURUNDI, CAMEROON, CHAD, CHINA, COMOROS, CONGO (Democratic Republic), CUBA, DOMINICA, EGYPT, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, GUATEMALA, GUINEA, GUYANA, INDIA, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRAQ, JAMAICA, JAPAN, JORDAN, KAZAKSTAN, KOREA (North), KOREA (South), KUWAIT, LAOS, LEBANON, LESOTHO, LIBYA, MALAYSIA, MONGOLIA, NIGERIA, OMAN, PAKISTAN, PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, QATAR, RWANDA, SAINT CHRISTOPHER & NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA, SAINT VINCENT & GRENADINES, SAUDI ARABIA, SIERRA LEONE, SINGAPORE, SOMALIA, SUDAN, SYRIA, TAIWAN, TAJIKISTAN, TANZANIA, THAILAND, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, UGANDA, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, UZBEKISTAN, VIET NAM, YEMEN, ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE

  • I make this suggestion merely to point out that what we seek — a pleasant way to kill someone — does not exist.

    You are assuming everyone is seeking this. I can assure you that here in Alabama, at least the callers of rightwing radio are more than happy to impliment the most unpleasant ways of putting people to death. This state is damn proud of the fact it willkill just about anyone.

  • CB: “”It’s obvious this “humane” form of capital punishment isn’t so humane after all. Therefore, I’d like to make a suggestion: Let’s go back to the guillotine. . . . Think of it: If the blade is kept sharp enough and dropped from a sufficient height, death is instantaneous. . . . I’m being facetious, of course. ”

    Why is this facetious? You are absolutely correct in describing the process. If the goal is a quick and painless (probably true – how would one know?) death, the guillotine is just dandy. As you say, a bit gruesome, but fail safe.

    Michael W’s “ensure that no innocents are murdered ” brings up the larger and I believe correct moral objection to capital punishment, and others have done economic analyses that are persuasive that it makes no $$ sense, but if you want the condemned to die quickly then, by all means, the guillotine is the best choice. It is NOT brutal to the condemned unless one argues that the prospect of having one’s head cut off is inherantly more psyochologically brutal than any of the other methods. It could be argued that the certainty of a quick and painless death would be less brutal for the condemned than the current options.

    It IS brutal and brutalizing on the audience, but the audience is there to see the person die so they should be pre-selected for willingness to kill people for their crimes. It is, I suppose, psychologically brutal on our society at large and links us to other societies and other times that might seem objectionable, but our society seems to want to kill people for their crimes, so why shy away from the fact that killing people who do not want to die is always brutal.

    If we really wanted to make executions absolutely painless, the vet community knows just how to do it. That society chooses not to use those tried and true painfree methods means society wants some pain. So, if society wants it to be that way, it is only fair for society to get a bit back.

    So, I say yeeehawww – bring on the guillotine. Git r done. I’m sure the folks that Marin talks about in Alabama would be thrilled.

  • How about a bullet to the back of the head? The condemned would be sedated first. As to who would fire the gun, perhaps one of the detainees at Gitmo could be persuaded to do so. After all, he’s in there because he wants to kill us infidels.

  • It IS brutal and brutalizing on the audience, but the audience is there to see the person die so they should be pre-selected for willingness to kill people for their crimes.

    “Pre-selected”? A society that’s willing to execute criminals shouldn’t hide the activities behind closed doors. Public executions. If people are sickened by the brutal spectacle, so much the better. (If not, and if executions get high TV ratings, well, there are always more civilized countries I could move to.)

    The objection might be raised that there are all sorts of things we don’t do in public, but these are mainly for reasons of privacy and personal dignity. These issues don’t apply for executions, I think.

  • Can some one explain why the state takes steps to make sure people on death row don’t commit suicide?

    Really, I’ve always wondered about this.

    Fallenwoman your spoof needs work, hon.

  • I don’t object to capital punishment on principle but I agree with Michael W #1 that the system would have to be foolproof and we don’t have anything approaching that.

  • Personally, the only capital punishment I would ever vote for is capital punishment of those halfwits who advocate capital punishment.

    Given the close to 40% rate of proof that people condemned to death are actually factually innocent this alone should be the nail in the coffin of capital punishment.

    Whenever I talk to righties who support capital punishment, I always ask them how it is that they – who believe government can do nothing right – believe that government has done nothing wrong when it comes to capital punishment, that only the guilty have ever been executed. It usually stops them in their tracks, even the ones who are otherwise braindead.

  • Cleaver: “Whenever I talk to righties who support capital punishment, I always ask them how it is that they – who believe government can do nothing right – believe that government has done nothing wrong when it comes to capital punishment, that only the guilty have ever been executed.”

    THAT IS BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I mean, damn!

  • Whenever I talk to righties who support capital punishment, I always ask them how it is that they – who believe government can do nothing right – believe that government has done nothing wrong when it comes to capital punishment, that only the guilty have ever been executed. It usually stops them in their tracks, even the ones who are otherwise braindead.

    Well, not SO brilliant. You forget the righties are all Authoritarians at heart. The gov’t can do no wrong unless it involves the military, the police or discipling children in school

  • Steve had the obvious solution back at #2. Life in prison without chance for parole is, in fact, capital punishment, just at a slower pace. The convicted dies at the hands and in possession of the state, just like hanging, guillotine or lethal injection. While waiting, the convicted remains incarcerted – just like waiting for the firing squad or electric chair. There is no meaningful difference between life without parole and capital punishment except that fewer cases undergo expensive appeals, and there is more time to correct any errors which will inevitably be made. For those whose conviction involved no errors, the ultimate penal result — death — is just as certain. There really is no good reason for people to want a form of punishment other than life without parole, which in good Republican linguistic manipulation style we could call “death by prolonged imprisonment.”

  • First place the condemned on a low sodium – low potassium diet for a week. Then administer a diuretic. Then withhold food and water for 18 hours while providing analgesia on demand. Then inject the condemned with an overdose of morphine to induce coma. Maintain the induced coma for 24-48 hours until death. There is no theater involved.

  • Righties are not fazed by the wrongful execution of innocents. Ernest van den Haag basically said (in an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal) that you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, and the occasional wrongful death was an acceptable price to keep society healthy. See his paper “The Ultimate Punishment: A Defense” at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/angel/procon/haagarticle.html:

    “II. MISCARRIAGES OF JUSTICE

    “In a recent survey Professors Hugo Adam Bedau and Michael Radelet found that 7000 persons were executed in the United States between 1900 and 1985 and that 35 were innocent of capital crimes (11). Among the innocents they list Sacco and Vanzetti as well as Ethel and Julius Rosenberg. Although their data may be questionable, I do not doubt that, over a long enough period, miscarriages of justice will occur even in capital cases.

    “Despite precautions, nearly all human activities, such as trucking, lighting, or construction, cost the lives of some innocent bystanders. We do not give up these activities, because the advantages, moral or material, outweigh the unintended losses (12). Analogously, for those who think the death penalty just, miscarriages of justice are offset by the moral benefits and the usefulness of doing justice. For those who think death penalty unjust even when it does not miscarry, miscarriages can hardly be decisive.”

    Eggs to omelettes: “for those who think the death penalty just, miscarriages of justice are offset by the moral benefits and the usefulness of doing justice..” Not my idea of moral or justice, but I’m not an esteemed legal scholar.

  • The Guillotine was indeed created as a method of reliable and humane execution, the headsman’s axe and the noose both being unreliable and frequently botched, and it’s still the best technology for the purpose. (Which says at least as much about how little effort has been put into creating the technology as about how good a job he did.) If we decide to keep capital punishment as an institution, we could (and have done) far worse than to use guillotines.

    I hold with #2 and #13 that life imprisonment without the possiblity of parole is merely a sentance of death by imprisonment, and given the current state of prison life it’s liable to be a sentance of death by slow torture. It’s only benefit compared to traditional capital punishment is that it can be overturned on error…. which happens very seldom. We often see the statistics on the percentage of capital cases that are overturned, many due to incompetance of the attorneys, but we rarely see the corresponding statistics on how many sentances of life imprisonment without parole are overturned. Given how often this is used in place of capitol punishment, it’s reasonable to include them in statistics of the miscarriage of capital cases as a class. That is an analysis I would very much like to see.

    So am I in favor of capital punishment? I have to say yes, since I consider life without parole to be another form of capital punishment. If I were given the fiat to declare the rules, I would give quick capital punishment only to those where the perpetrator admitted the crime (such as, for example, a failed plea of extenuating circumstances) or those defendants that actually requested it (few, but not none – remember Gary Gilmore in the 70s?). But that’s way too rational a view, and therefore we will continue to beat each other up over this subject with no conclusion for the rest of my lifetime at least.

  • i belive that killing ppl that did bad stuff is good bc they deserve it!!!!!!!!!!
    the question is that why is it not more severe

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    XD
    give it to the world peace love and gap

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