‘There’s no adult supervision; it’s like he’s oblivious’

We’ve been hearing quite a bit lately about the president reaching out to observers outside his inner circle for big-picture bull sessions. In April, Bush met with some “big money players up from Texas,” who got out exactly one question before president launched into an extended rant about how no one understands him. In May, Bush reportedly had another gathering in which long-time friends found him “nearly wild-eyed, thumping himself on the chest three times while he repeated ‘I am the president!'”

The Washington Post’s Peter Baker noted today that these conversations are apparently becoming quite common.

At the nadir of his presidency, George W. Bush is looking for answers. One at a time or in small groups, he summons leading authors, historians, philosophers and theologians to the White House to join him in the search.

Over sodas and sparkling water, he asks his questions: What is the nature of good and evil in the post-Sept. 11 world? What lessons does history have for a president facing the turmoil I’m facing? How will history judge what we’ve done? Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just me they hate?

These are the questions of a president who has endured the most drastic political collapse in a generation. Not generally known for intellectual curiosity, Bush is seeking out those who are, engaging in a philosophical exploration of the currents of history that have swept up his administration.

What’s unclear is exactly what the president hopes to get out of these conversations. Indeed, through the course of Baker’s piece, it’s clear that Bush isn’t looking for advice, per se, because he’s already convinced that he’s right. He isn’t looking for constructive criticism, because he doesn’t want to change course. He isn’t looking for historical predictions, because he’s already certain that history will look kindly on his tenure.

One gets the distinct impression that Bush is arranging meetings with these scholarly observers in the hopes that one of them will confirm everything he already believes.

The Hudson Institute’s Irwin Stelzer, who participated in one of these White House chats, said, “You don’t get any feeling of somebody crouching down in the bunker. This is either extraordinary self-confidence or out of touch with reality. I can’t tell you which.”

Couldn’t it be a little of both?

Much of the discussion focused on the nature of good and evil, a perennial theme for Bush, who casts the struggle against Islamic extremists in black-and-white terms. Michael Novak, a theologian who participated, said it was clear that Bush weathers his difficulties because he sees himself as doing the Lord’s work.

“His faith is very strong,” said Novak, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. “Faith is not enough by itself because there are a lot of people who have faith but weak hearts. But his faith is very strong. He seeks guidance, like every other president does, in prayer. And that means trying to be sure he’s doing the right thing. And if you’ve got that set, all the criticism, it doesn’t faze you very much. You’re answering to God.”

Perhaps, but in a democratic system of government, he’s supposed to answer to the public and to checks and balances. Bush is, of course, entitled to his faith, but I suspect many Americans would be more confident in the White House if the president saw himself doing the nation’s business, too.

A senior House Republican who met with Bush recently said the president is still not hearing the advice he needs. “There’s nobody there [in the White House] who can stand up to him and tell him, ‘Mr. President, you’ve got to do this. You’re wrong on this,'” the GOP lawmaker said. “There’s no adult supervision. It’s like he’s oblivious.”

Only 568 days to go.

Who needs facts when you got faith.

One more pretty obvious reason for separation of church and state.

  • What’s unclear is exactly what the president hopes to get out of these conversations.

    I disagree. This is the ultimate example of “fishing for compliments.” He brings bunch of people to the White House, the majestic home court, to meet personally with the President – Leader of the Free World, and he asks “am I doing ok?” in the hopes that wowed by the surroundings, and unwilling to offend their host (did I mention the host is the Leader of the Free World?) at least one will fawningly say those words he so longs to hear: “you’re doin’ a heckuva job, Bushie!”

    a sad, sad, little man.

  • “Faith is not enough by itself because there are a lot of people who have faith but weak hearts.”

    Typical AEI balderdash. Faith without works is dead, right? And what works has he wrought? Besides bad ones?

    There is adult supervision, his name is Dick Cheney. And he’s pure evil. But of course Bush can’t see that his puppetmaster is an evil bastard, that would involve thinking (which Bush can’t do) and using empathy (which neither of them has).

    Have a good drown, George.

  • I’ve finally found the perfect metaphor for the Bush presidency; from Edwin Abbott’s Flatland :

    “Look yonder,” said my Guide, “in Flatland thou hast lived;
    of Lineland thou hast received a vision; thou hast soared with me to the heights of Spaceland; now, in order to complete the range of thy experience, I conduct thee downward to the lowest depth of existence, even to the realm of Pointland, the Abyss of No dimensions.

    “Behold yon miserable creature. That Point is a Being like ourselves, but confined to the non-dimensional Gulf. He is himself his own World, his own Universe; of any other than himself he can form no conception; he knows not Length, nor Breadth, nor Height, for he has had no experience of them; he has no cognizance even of the number Two; nor has he a thought of Plurality; for he is himself his One and All,
    being really Nothing. Yet mark his perfect self-contentment,
    and hence learn his lesson, that to be self-contented is to be vile and ignorant, and that to aspire is better than to be blindly
    and impotently happy. Now listen.”

    He ceased; and there arose from the little buzzing creature a tiny, low, monotonous, but distinct tinkling, as from one of your Spaceland phonographs, from which I caught these words, “Infinite beatitude of existence! It is; and there is nothing else beside It.”

    “What,” said I, “does the puny creature mean by `it’?” “He means himself,” said the Sphere: “have you not noticed before now, that babies and babyish people who cannot distinguish themselves from the world, speak of themselves in the Third Person? But hush!”

    “It fills all Space,” continued the little soliloquizing Creature,
    “and what It fills, It is. What It thinks, that It utters; and what It utters, that It hears; and It itself is Thinker, Utterer, Hearer, Thought, Word, Audition; it is the One, and yet the All in All.
    Ah, the happiness, ah, the happiness of Being!”

    “Can you not startle the little thing out of its complacency?” said I. “Tell it what it really is, as you told me; reveal to it the narrow
    limitations of Pointland, and lead it up to something higher.”
    “That is no easy task,” said my Master; “try you.”

    Hereon, raising by voice to the uttermost, I addressed the Point as follows:

    “Silence, silence, contemptible Creature. You call yourself the
    All in All, but you are the Nothing: your so-called Universe is a
    mere speck in a Line, and a Line is a mere shadow as compared with–”

    “Hush, hush, you have said enough,” interrupted the Sphere, “now listen, and mark the effect of your harangue on the King of Pointland.”

    The lustre of the Monarch, who beamed more brightly than ever upon hearing my words, shewed clearly that he retained his complacency; and I had hardly ceased when he took up his strain again. “Ah, the joy, ah, the joy of Thought! What can It not achieve by thinking! Its own Thought coming to Itself, suggestive of its disparagement, thereby to enhance Its happiness! Sweet rebellion stirred up to result in triumph! Ah, the divine creative power of the All in One! Ah, the joy, the joy of Being!”

  • Here’s my advice to Georgie: if you really want to help the world, Mr. Bush, go kill yourself. God will forgive your suicide in this case, taking into consideration the larger issues of the benefit to mankind that will be the result of your expedient demise.

  • a perennial theme for Bush, who casts the struggle against Islamic extremists in black-and-white terms.

    Or at least brown-and-pink.

    This from the “Chest thumping” incident:

    He also made it clear he was setting Iraq up so his successor could not get out of “our country’s destiny.”

    Apparently our county’s destiny is to stay in a never-ending conflict so his war profiteer buddies can use thousand dollar bills for TP.

    Scary, ain’t it?

  • If this is not life imitating art I don’t know what is. There was a piece in The Onion some months back that headlined, “Bush Discovers Voice of God Just Cheney on Intercom”. The first time I saw it was one of those milk-out-nose moments. Now it just leads me to the laugh or cry debate.

    In the same vein, there is a superb article on TheRegister.com with a ‘real’ evaluation of the threat in Britian. I’d say that the same goes here.

  • At least Nixon only talked to the portraits; he never placed himself at their command. Bush believing he is God’s own instrument is really f**king scary. Who will be there to stop him when “God” tells him to bomb all the Blue States for their support of reproductive rights and equality for homosexuals?

  • What’s unclear is exactly what the president hopes to get out of these conversations.
    This has the fingerprints of former librarian and current First Lady Laura all over it. What Junior hopes to get out of these conversations is a little piece peace at home.

  • I almost get the sense he’s engaging in philosophical discussions… but not quite. So I agree that he’s hoping that his own view of the world and his rightness will be confirmed. I’d rather that he sit down with experts in all fields and really listen to them. Then go out into the world and actually look at what is real (not dash through, as is his custom). And make decisions based on, you know, REALITY.

    As for adult supervision, I’m not sure Dick Cheney is it. He seems to have his own bizarre sense of the world, appears to be insecure or delusional or both.

    Then you’ve got the “team” – Rice, Rove, Gonzo, etc., liars and cheats all.

    Great.

    (gg @ #5 – wow, you’ve nailed it)

  • “paranoid” is the word I wanted to use for both bush & cheney in my post above

  • Zeitgeist wrote: “Who will be there to stop him when “God” tells him to bomb all the Blue States for their support of reproductive rights and equality for homosexuals?”

    Never fear; I’m sure after he’s bombed MA into oblivion Rice and Powell will give Gonzales a stern talking to about it…

    More people need to start referring to GW as the nation’s greatest security threat. Whether one is talking about his complete lack of credibility (‘boy who cried wolf’), his diverting and destruction of resources (politicizing of the Justice Department) or his delusional view of his own destiny, I can’t imagine a person our enemies would rather have in office than Georgie.

    Racerx wrote: “Have a good drown, George.”

    Nice Pink Floyd reference, by the way…

  • More evidence supporting my decision to stop participating in “Christianity”. Bush has certainly gotten his messages from God all fucked-up. I’m sure Jesus – who in all likelihood was brown himself – is really proud of the work that the Commander Guy is doing in his name.

    Of course these meetings are just opportunities for him to get justification for his “work”. I’m guessing anybody who speaks out against him in these little tête-à-têtes finds themselves on the no-fly list and their organization suddenly losing governmental funding.

    The man is certifiable at this point.

  • It’s really starting to sound like King George’s mental competence is diminishing under the stress of Nixonian approval ratings.

    The other thing that is alarming is that, I think, the Usurper-In-Chief doesn’t have the mental capacity to pose these sort of self-reflective questions about his miserable existence and the criminal enterprise that he has served as frontman.

    So who is pulling the strings and producing these “George W. Bush, This is Your Life” retrospectives? Is it Rove? Cheney? Laura?

    More to the point, what it the motivation for taking Curious George by the hand and showing him the ghosts of Christmas past, present, and future?

  • thumping himself on the chest three times

    That’s funny. My twin brother is a big comic book fan, and he doesn’t comment on blogs, but he gets into big debates about politics and history on a message board for comic book fans. When he gets a good point on one of those people, he walks around and beats his chest a few times sometimes, and you can hear it through the whole house.

    I thought he was the only one who did that, outside of pro-NBA players.

  • JKap wrote: “More to the point, what it the motivation for taking Curious George by the hand and showing him the ghosts of Christmas past, present, and future?”

    I would consider it more like the ghosts of fuckups past, present, and future; it’s a shame Bush wasn’t visited before reaching federal office, it might have gone something like this (I just recently discovered the online Gutenberg library; my apologies):

    “What’s to-day, my fine fellow?” said George.

    “To-day!” replied Colin Powell. “Why, ELECTION DAY 2000.”

    “It’s Election Day!” said George to himself. “I
    haven’t missed it. The Spirits have done it all in one night.
    They can do anything they like. Of course they can. Of
    course they can. Hallo, my fine fellow!”

    “Hallo!” returned Powell.

    “Do you know the Plastics Company, in the next street but one,
    at the corner?” George inquired.

    “I should hope I did,” replied Powell.

    “An intelligent boy!” said George. “A remarkable boy!
    Do you know whether they’ve finished injection molding of the prize Turkey?–Not the little prize Turkey: the big one?”

    “What, the one as big as your Texas execution record?” returned Powell.

    “What a delightful boy!” said George. “It’s a pleasure
    to talk to him. Yes, my buck!”

    “It’s hanging there now,” growled Powell. “And stop calling me ‘boy’.”

    “Is it?” said Scr-George. “Go and buy it.”

    “Walk-ER!” exclaimed Powell.

    “No, no,” said George, “I am in earnest. Go and buy
    it, and tell ’em to bring it here, that I may give them the
    direction where to take it. Come back with the man, and
    I’ll give you a tax cut. Come back with him in less than
    five minutes and I’ll give you a no bid government contract!”

    Powell was off like a shot. He must have had a steady
    hand at a trigger who could have got a shot off half so fast.

    “I’ll send it to Al Gore’s!” whispered George,
    rubbing his hands, and splitting with a laugh. “He sha’n’t
    know who sends it. It’s twice the size of my incompetence.”

  • Glenn Greenwald covers Bush’s faith in chapter two of his new book. He goes into a lot of detail and gives examples about how Bush’s faith is the driving force of his presidency.

    Bush really believes that he is on a mission from God. He really believes he was chosen and nothing can shake that belief, at least, not yet. When the polls turn against him, or one of his program fails, it isn’t his fault. It is the fault of people who don’t understand him and what he is trying to do. Regarding Iraq, Bush is simply trying to spread freedom to the world. It is God’s gift and Bush is the one chosen to deliver it to the world. Get rid of all the evildoers and everything will be fine

    The thing to remember is that Bush really believes this stuff. He really believes that he knows the Truth. If he is wrong, then his God is wrong. If he ever let himself doubt, if he ever questioned that he is doing God’s work, would his psyche be able to handle such a blow?

    Glenn’s book is a real eye-opener. Most of the stuff I knew but to see it all presented on one place together with Glenn’s astute analysis, makes me want to cry. I really don’t know if we can survive another year and a half of Bush.

  • Why does the rest of the world seem to hate America? Or is it just [Bush] they hate?

    Actually, both — They hate Bush for what he’s done to America.

    And no amount of philosophers, historians and/or theologians are going to fix that. It’ll take either impeachment (which Pelosi was recently quoted as saying “wasn’t worth it”) or 2009.

    Of course, at this point, a boat anchor may do the trick. (What a fitting metaphor, eh?)

  • “He also made it clear he was setting Iraq up so his successor could not get out of “our country’s destiny.”

    He is deluded. He believes our country’s destiny is to bring on Armageddon. When he talks of (or to) god, he’s talking about the Evangelican Christian god of Dobson and Robertson and they have convinced him of this. It also condones his actions so far in Iraq. He doesn’t want advice, he’s just exploring others thinking for insight into his own beliefs. He is dangerous now because what has he really got to lose?

  • I’m with Zeitgeist. The man is trying to find top-level assistance in shoring up his bursting bubble.

    He would progress in his quest for understanding if he recognized that, while he does not have evil intentions in a Bond-villain sense, he is in fact a source of evil, having caused evil through his instructions, through his subordinates, and through his incompetence.

  • “… and theologians to the White House….”

    Speaking of which, every time the MSM reports a Supreme Court 5-4 decision they specify the “conservative-liberal” split.

    First, there are no liberals on the court. Not one even comes close.

    Second, there are few conservatives anymore either. Most of the Supremes seem quite willing to let the Shrub and Cheney-Rove Corp tear up the Constitution any way they want.

    Finally, wouldn’t they be more specific and honest if they simply led with something I never throught I’d see in this country: “The Roman Catholic majority voted for such-and-such.”

  • Finally, wouldn’t they be more specific and honest if they simply led with something I never throught I’d see in this country: “The Roman Catholic majority voted for such-and-such.” Ed Stephan

    Ed, I’ve been thinking the very same thing.

  • True believers. The AMA should come out and classify true believers as mentally ill. All ilks. With all of them institutionalized, then we’ll just wait for Ronald Reagan’s reincarnation to set them free.

  • Ed, i gotta stand up for Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She is a pretty darn good liberal, and is increasingly becoming more forceful in her writing and speaking out, both from the bench and beyond the Court. Alas, she’s terribly outnumbered.

  • If Bush’s staffers wanted to play a practical joke on him, they could schedule a 90-minute meeting between him and Sam Harris, Chris Hedges, Paul Krugman, Eric Alterman, John Dean, Scott Ritter, Larry Johnson, Randi Rhodes, and Cliff Schecter.

    Bush probably has no idea who any of these people are, so he likely would not recognize them when he entered the meeting room and was introduced to them.

    I can see the mischievous staffers standing outside the meeting room, with their ears pressed against the closed door, trying not to giggle, and waiting to hear the sound of Bush’s head exploding.

  • It could be that George Bush is a certified NutJob. There appears to be a good chance that Dubya will be carted off by MIW (Men in White) before he is impeached.

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