There’s no reason for Clinton to bolster McCain’s ‘experience’ argument

We talked earlier about Hillary Clinton benefiting from a “kitchen-sink” strategy, but of all the things the Clinton campaign threw at Obama over the last week or so, few criticisms were as annoying as the charge that John McCain’s background is preferable to Obama’s.

If you’re just joining us, at a press conference on Monday in Ohio, Clinton was defending her “3 a.m.” ad, and told reporters, “I have a lifetime of experience I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he made in 2002.”

As Christopher Orr put it, “There are certain lines that you do not cross in a primary campaign. And one of those is suggesting that your primary opponent, the likely nominee, is so unfit that that the Republican nominee might be preferable to him. This is spoiler territory, and Clinton should be ashamed.”

OK, so Clinton went a little too far. Maybe emotions were running high, as can happen to anyone the day before a major contest, and Clinton went with an attack she probably realizes she shouldn’t have made.

Except, as James Fallows noted, Clinton kept making it.

In a live CNN interview just now, Sen. Clinton repeated, twice, the “Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience, I have a lifetime of experience, Sen. Obama has one speech in 2002” line. By what logic, exactly, does a member of the Democratic party include the “Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience” part of that sentence? And I guess with her nonstop references to 2002 she must be talking about Obama’s anti-Iraq war speech, not the 2004 convention speech that actually put him on the map.

I have reached the point of wanting to scream every time I hear about the primacy of “experience,” knowing how skillfully the 46-year old Bill Clinton waved that argument away when it was used against him 16 years ago by a sitting President who simply dwarfed him in high-level experience. But to pose it in a form that is poison for the party should Obama be the nominee??? To produce a clip that the McCain campaign could run unedited every single day of a campaign against Obama? That is something special…. If Bill Clinton poisoned the well for other possible Democratic nominees in quite the same way back in 1992, I can’t think of it now.

The conclusion of Spinney’s (and Gerson’s) analysis was that Obama had put Hillary Clinton into a position where in order to win, she had to damage not just him but the party. That is why, as everyone is saying, the big victor today is John McCain, and not just in the obvious way.

Kevin called Clinton’s comments “disgraceful.” I’m hard pressed to disagree.

Honestly, the more I consider this, the more frustrating it becomes. For one thing, Dems, no matter how competitive the primary, should simply refrain from suggesting the Republican candidate is preferable. We’re supposed to be on the same team.

For another, Clinton’s message won’t even benefit her should she win the Democratic nomination. The more she praises McCain’s background, and makes experience the centerpiece of the campaign, the harder it will be for her in the general election — because McCain has more experience than she does.

It makes far more sense for Dems — either one — to argue that experience isn’t the be-all, end-all, just as Bill Clinton did 16 years ago. Fallows added:

I mean, it’s almost incredible to think about, when you consider what constitutes an “experience” edge in this election. The elder George Bush, by the time he ran for re-election, had been president for four years; vice president for eight; ambassador to the UN for two years; de facto ambassador to China for two; Congressman for four; director of the CIA for one year; plus former head of the Republican National Committee, decorated combat pilot, and commander in chief during one brief hot war and the end of the prolonged Cold War. Moreover, in his “3 a.m.” moments of real crisis, he had used his experience to make sane decisions: handling the collapse of the Soviet empire, standing up against Saddam Hussein, putting together a wartime coalition so broad and supportive that the United States may have actually made money on the Gulf War, then having the sense not to occupy Iraq. Not bad!

Nonetheless, the young, vigorous, though vastly less experienced governor of Arkansas was a better match for America’s needs in 1992 — or so Bill Clinton argued, and I believed.

Something to keep in mind.

…and so the murder/suicide of the Dem nominee begins.

  • Desperate words from a desperate woman. Fortunately, she won’t have us to kick around after the August convention. She’s already lost.

  • …but he’d still be a great VP!

    I’m feeling better and better about the check I just sent off to the Obama campaign.

  • As somebody previous mentioned, the downward spiral of Britney is yesterday’s news. The downward spiral of Hillary begins now.

  • Remember Nevada…she won by five or six points and gleefully took her mean-spirited campaign to South Carolina where she was stomped on.

    Ohio has emboldened her again and she’s doing it again…this time…at the country’s expense.

    Nice.

  • I agree that her remark was definitely scripted and unforgivable. The Clinton attitude reminds me of hustlin’ Pete Rose sliding into second with his cleats up during an All Star game. No sense of being a mensch.

  • I’m disappointed to learn that Hillary with all her experience doesn’t have the judgement to know better than to make such a statement. Tells me all I need to know.

  • The closest thing I can come to a “Devil’s Advocate” kinda logic to her argument is that, in the event of an Obama/Clinton or a Clinton/Obama ticket, voters get what she would consider to be the best of both worlds – Obama’s youthful idealism & bipartisan appeal and her supposed lifetime of experience.

    but that theory is incredibly generous to the state of mind of Hillary and her campaign strategists. More than likely, they decided being negative would get her the nomination, and a nation scared s***less of a third Bush term under the guise of a first McCain term will do the heavy lifting for her through November.

    It might work, but a whole lot of people aren’t going to be proud of their decision to vote for her come November, and she’ll be going into the White House under a mountain of negativity that she herself helped create.

    I mean, screw the concept of “if you’re against Clinton, you’re a he-man woman hater.” It’s bull. I can dislike a woman for reasons other than her gender, and she provides plenty of reasons to dislike her. Were she to become the nominee, were she to become the President, she will have done so at the risk of a scorched-Earth process that leaves the rest of the party hurting at a time that it needs to be healing. It’s selfish, it’s bad for the country, and the more she makes awful comments like this, the more disenchanted I am with her, and I wasn’t particularly enchanted with her in the first place.

    I’m just so very disappointed in her behavior. I’m disappointed in the people who voted for her after this display of behavior, as it they want to help prove the old axiom true that the only way to win in politics is to fight dirty, at a time where we have a candidate who’s been relatively above-baord throughout the campaign who is succeeding in large part because he doesn’t particularly fight dirty, and is often pretty good at not really slinging the mud back at his opponents, but just slinging the mud over the fence and chastising the onces who threw the mud in the first place.

    Just really disappointing.

  • I invite all those who post here to, to contact their Democratic Senators and Representative (if they have any) and ask them to request the Clinton campaign to kindly shut-up about McCain being having more experience than Obama. This isn’t serving her or the party.

  • That’s it. I’m done with her, and if she gets the nod, I’m done self-identifying as a Democrat. I let zeitgeist talk me into supporting her a while ago if she got the nod, and despite all that she’d done up until now, I was going to be a good little Democrat, bury my conscience concerning the war she helped start and hold my nose and vote for her.

    But this is it. I’m done with her.

    Fuck Hillary Clinton.

  • As has been pointed out, Hillary’s “experience” is getting pretty old by now. Many of the people she met as First Lady are dead or out of office. Besides, if youcare about is experience (however defined) go for Cheney or Rumsfeld.

    The United States government is so big, covers so many diverse fields of expertise, engages so many issues during one presidential term which were not even thought of at the outset that it defies imagining that one could be “prepared” for the job. At least in the sense of being taught its intricacies before hand, as if it were computing programming or needlepoint.

    That’s why Obama is correct in stressing his “judgment”. That’s why it’s important to judge a candidate on “intuition” (aka “gut feeling”) rather than any set of predetermine criteria. That’s why his ability to express himself clearly, calmly and in a way which might inspire is so important.

    That’s not to say experience is irrelevant. I’d love to see the press examine McCain’s military experience (the number of planes he lost; the way his “wet-start” joke led to the deaths of 167 servicemen on the Forrestal, the way his fraternizing and adultery violated military regs, the way in which being son and grandson of 4-star admirals protected him, etc.). Such examination could reveal much about McCain’s experience as preparation for the presidency. It’s a shame the MSM doesn’t perform that service for us, as they have for years in the case of the Clintons and recently in the case of the Obamas.

  • One big problem I have is that all of Hillary’s comments are intended to have a “That was then, this is now” disclaimer to them; much the way that Republicans don’t feel as if they need to be consistent with anything they say. Everything is done or said in a complete vacuum and there is a total lack of causation to any of it. Even now, her supporters will attack Obama because he didn’t read bogus intel reports that we all know to be wrong. Like Bush, they’ll get lost into the moment and start imagining that Hillary was right about Iraq after all.

    That’s one of the big reasons I like Obama: He has a long game. He’s been saying the same stuff now he’s always said. And once this primary season ends, he won’t need to shift back to the center as Hillary intends to do. He’s been on the same course for years and fortunately for us, it takes him straight into the Whitehouse. That’s the way it’s done.

  • Hillary has become the political equivalent of the suicide bomber.

    Give her what she wants and she won’t blow you up (and herself in the process).

    The sooner we cave in to her demands the better.

  • The worst, most arrogant victory speech last night I have seen. Ever. By any politician, including W’s 2004 speech.

    And apparently no signs of stopping the arrogance this morning. Or in the next 5 years.

    Shame on Obama if he doesn’t have a STRONG forceful rebuttal to the fake ‘experience’ meme.

  • The comparisons to Lincoln, Churchill, JFK, LBJ, and MLK—of HRC, by HRC, and for HRC—will begin in 5……..4……..3……………..

  • The Obama camp has put out a challenge:

    The Clinton campaign today maintained that “the vetting of Barack Obama has just begun.” The truth is, more than a year into this campaign, some very simple vetting of Hillary Clinton has yet to start.

    Senator Clinton has also claimed that she is too “busy” to release her tax returns. Given the fact she is able to loan her campaign $5 million, you would think the Clintons would be able to hire an accountant. The reality is that she wants to keep this information hidden from voters. . The people of Wyoming, Mississippi, Pennsylvania and the rest of the country should wonder why.

    Ball’s in your court, Clintonistas.

  • I keep thinking of that “shame on you Barack Obama” moment…
    I keep thinking of the Dem governor who stood behind her nodding like a repug goon…

    If you have any questions about who Clinton is…
    You need to watch that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivkHVlVtlFQ

    That is pure ugliness.
    These people, pure and simple, are brutes.
    Take a good hard look at that. Grok it deep.
    And you will understand where I’ve been coming from for the last 2 months.

  • The Obama faithful are in a fervor over the losses in Texas and Ohio, and are really lashing out angrily today.

    The truth is that Obama must step up now and show that he is capable and trustworthy, and if he slips even a little in either regard, he will not be our nominee, period. Not all superdelegates will be so easily bullied as the few who have jumped ship lately.

    Still no evidence of % of actual democrats so far voting for either candidate, if I have time and nobody posts it, I’ll have to go to CNN and revisit each one.

  • The time is for action, not blog comments. Start contacting members of your party. I will support either candidate, but this is not helping the party.

    Senator/Representative XXXXXX,

    Senator Clinton has been on national television suggesting that Senator McCain would make a better president than Senator Obama.

    While I encourage her to make her case for why she would make a better president, I strongly object to her making unfavorable comparisons between the current Democratic front runner and the Republican opposition. This doesn’t serve the party and it will not serve the eventual Democratic nominee.

    I urge you to contact the Clinton campaign and ask them to stop this behavior immediately.

    Thank you for your consideration.

    Sincerely,

  • If I were McCain, I’d have my staff start on my general election slogan, complete with TV and radio ads: “John McCain: A Lifetime of Experience”. Hillary has made it clear to every voter who knows anything about this primary that experience is so dang important. And McCain will be thanking her for that until November.

  • ALL the superdelegates should declare for Obama NOW because HRC obviously puts her interests over the party’s. If there ever was a case where they needed to step in, it is this one. She is going to destroy the party, if they don’t. She may anyway, in pure vindictiveness. Half the country, unfairly, couldnt stand her to begin with and she is going to make it virtually unanimous. How could she possibly defeat anyone in the general with negatives unprecedented for a major party candidate? She may have the skills to finagle a nomination, no one has the skills overcome such negatives. Unless the party thinks that the backlash to Bush is so strong that they can’t lose, she has to be put down quickly.

  • Nancy Reagan has more “life experience” and she too was First Lady, so I’m supporting Nancy. Okay, that may be over the top. How about Rosalind Carter? Even better, George H.W. Bush — he’s still eligible for another term.

  • The Obama faithful are in a fervor over the losses in Texas and Ohio, and are really lashing out angrily today. -Greg

    Actually, all Democrats should be ‘in a fervor’ over Clinton praising McCain and demeaning Obama. After all, Obama has the lead in pledged delegates and has won quite a few primaries, so he’s got enough experience and judgment to be winning.

    Additionally, Hillary just isn’t being insulting to Obama, but all of his supporters by implying they are buying some sort of snake oil.

  • 20.On March 5th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, Greg said:
    The Obama faithful are in a fervor over the losses in Texas and Ohio, and are really lashing out angrily today.
    The truth is that Obama must step up now and show that he is capable and trustworthy, and if he slips even a little in either regard, he will not be our nominee, period. Not all superdelegates will be so easily bullied as the few who have jumped ship lately.
    Still no evidence of % of actual democrats so far voting for either candidate, if I have time and nobody posts it, I’ll have to go to CNN and revisit each one.

    So you’re not even going to try to defend this? Good choice, I’m not smart enough to come with any way this is a defensible argument for a Democrat to make either.

  • beep52 said:

    Nancy Reagan has more “life experience” and she too was First Lady, so I’m supporting Nancy. Okay, that may be over the top. How about Rosalind Carter? Even better, George H.W. Bush — he’s still eligible for another term.

    I’ll buy that. Surely Herbert should be allowed to come in and undo all the things of his that George has undone. Herbert WON his war. The Oedipus road runs both ways.

  • Hillary should stay in the primaries, but she should just stop using scorched-earth REPUG smear tactics to win the nomination. I thought there was no way that this country could elect another Repug, but with Hillary doing their dirty work in the primaries, she is splitting up the party.

    I will still vote for Hillary, because any Democratic presidential candidate is better than the scum on the other side. But other Democrats are not as biased as me, and a lot of Obama supporters will not support her now because of the crap she is pulling on Obama. If Obama still wins, whatever scorched earth, racist rumor that hasn’t been exploited yet, will be used, in addition to the crap that team Hillary has already used. You don’t think the Repugs now see that they can be more racist than they thought, after seeng what Hillary is getting away with, as a fellow Democrat.

    Hillary, stay in, but try to get back to the moral high ground, and quit using cesspool Repug tatics to win the nomination!

  • ROTFLMLiberalAO

    Ya that Nodding Head Dude on the stage during the staged “shame on you” speech was Hilarious.

    You could tell his heart was not exactly in but he played along as if HRC was actually raising a valid issue.

  • Don’t you children have classes to get to because your sure as hell don’t know anything about politics. Your boy CHOKED big time yesterday and he lost. Get over it.

    Hillary beat him by almost 400,000 votes combined yesterday. On to Wyoming

  • Hillary, stay in, but try to get back to the moral high ground… -ocdemocrat

    When was Hillary in the moral high ground? Before Iowa when she thought she was Queen? I don’t remember when she hasn’t been a complete twit, and still, this awful canned answer is what finally broke this camels back.

    I just assumed her first use was an off-the-cuff slip up, but reusing like this means it’s a calculated move, and a stupid one with no benefit to the Party, to boot.

  • A touch over the line, yes. Disgraceful? Come on, let’s reserve outrage for truly meaningful events. This will have no impact whatsoever in the general campaign.

  • Todd @ 32,

    This is a two-fer for the Republicans. It reinforces the attack they would use against Obama (by no less than a “leader” in his own party) and allows them to simply hoist Hillary by her own petard.

    McCain commercial in the not-so-distant future.

    Blank screen.

    Clip of Hillary’s remark.

    Closing:
    “Hillary Clinton knows experience is needed in the White House. No one has more experience than… John McCain.”

  • Well, we’ve finally reached the point where I fully understand why my conservative friends would get so exasperated when I used to go the mat for B-n-H. If you are myopic enough to miss the enormous irony of the recent Clinton tactics, then you just ain’t watching or you have decided that being a thin-skinned apologist for someone whose been gathering slop from the public trough her entire adult life (that’s her experience…and second-hand, at that) is reasonable ideology. I’m sorry, but to me, the kool-aid y’all are drinking smells an awful lot like piss…

  • it strikes me that the battle for the hearts and minds of the democratic party is — or should be — now fully engaged; even, i daresay, at the expense of the presidency in 08.

    in counterpoint to limbaugh’s revulsion of mccain (and threat to vote for hillary) the progressive wing of the democratic party needs to recognize that, as a catalyst for the kind of change the past 7 years has provided the humus for, there ain’t a dime’s worth of difference between HRC and mccain.

    let sherman’s march on denver begin…

  • Most of Hillary’s “35 years of experience” came from being a corporate lawyer. On a conference call with reporters, when a reporter actually ASKED when she had been tested, there was a deafening silence.

    She needs to stop this kind of crap; it’s going to boomerang back at her, too.

  • Crisbo #10

    Contacted my senator (Dick Durbin) this morning about Hillary’s comment. Hopefully more people will contact their senator or rep re her comment. She is tearing the party apart. She has no loyalty to anything but herself. How different would she be from Bush – my way or the highway?

  • I’ve been a loyal party soldier for a long time now… But if their candidate won’t respect the party, I don’t see why I should.

  • The Obama faithful are in a fervor over the losses in Texas and Ohio, and are really lashing out angrily today. -Greg

    This from the O campaign:

    Our projections show the most likely outcome of yesterday’s elections will be that Hillary Clinton gained 187 delegates, and we gained 183.
    That’s a net gain of 4 delegates out of more than 370 delegates available from all the states that voted.
    For comparison, that’s less than half our net gain of 9 delegates from the District of Columbia alone. It’s also less than our net gain of 8 from Nebraska, or 12 from Washington State. And it’s considerably less than our net gain of 33 delegates from Georgia.
    The task for the Clinton campaign yesterday was clear. In order to have a plausible path to the nomination, they needed to score huge delegate victories and cut into our lead.
    They failed.

    Fervor?
    You are kidding right?
    For me the Bill and Hill is a freak show.
    Not being able to see when you are beat is like thinking you can win in Iraq.
    I hope they keep on keeping on embarrassing themselves…

  • Don’t you children have classes to get to because your sure as hell don’t know anything about politics. Your boy CHOKED big time yesterday and he lost. Get over it.

    Dammit, he’s right! I’m just a dumb idiot who doesn’t know anything. We suck. I’m giving up on politics and going back to my hole in the ground. Hillary’s just too tough. That’s how a relative unknown was able to take on the biggest Democratic powerhouse in the country and stay on top. Because we don’t know anything about politics.

  • This will have no impact whatsoever in the general campaign.

    Are you stoned? This would make a great McCain ad, especially targeted at independents and Obama-leaning Republicans.

    Play Hillary’s incredibly stupid soundbite, and add this tagline:

    “If even Democrats don’t believe Obama would be a good president, why should you?”

    Thanks, Hillary. Now kindly fuck off.

  • Hey, no worries: Tom Cleaver will soon chime in on how Barrack really planned this as part of his strategy, about how Barrack is moving so fast that Clinton is already defeated but no one else knows it. The explanation will involve some sort of inner OODA Loop thingy…

    Tom? Hello? Tom? Help us out here…

  • ROTFLMLiberalAO is right.

    Even without Obama’s 10-2 projection in remaining 12 delegates, that brings it down to 185-173.

    Whoa! Pour down the CONFETTI…!!! Hillary cut down the lead by about 6%!!! Only 94% of the gap to go…!

  • And this is why, if it comes to Hillary or McCain, I’m just fine with it being McCain. That way The Enemy is obvious, rather than being a traitor who claims to be one of us.

    Can’t she and her toadies just climb in an airplane that crashes on takeoff? No, that would be unfair to the innocent aircrew.

  • I wrote basically the same thing on my blog. Shameful shit this is. It has been heartbreaking to see one after another of the right wing’s critiques of the Clintons turn out to be true this election cycle, and they have nobody to blame for this themselves.

  • Dan @43 – Sorry, but that’s Hillary’s game. Except she announces in advance that she’s going to do poorly, and thus can claim meager victories when she’s proven correct. Texas and Ohio were supposed to save Hillary and put her back in the game. Instead, all they did was prolong the inevitable. Just what we need: Another chance for Hillary to help Republicans tear down the next president.

    Woo! I did worse than I said I’d do two weeks ago but better than I said I’d do two days ago. I won!!!

  • First of all, Obama does have experience. But his experience, in my view, is preferable to Clinton’s or McCain’s. I am much more interested in and inspired by by Obama’s decades of social work and community building in the poor parts of Chicago. That experience demostrates tremendous character, and I think it’s better experience than McCain’s years in the senate or Clinton’s years in the senate and years in the White House. What else does Clinton claim is on her resume when she pulls the “experience” line anyway? And why is Obama’s state legislature experience so quickly dismissed?

    Second, judgement preempts experience. And everything Obama has said about security demonstrates sound judgment to me, the precise opposite of the foolhardy neocon rhetoric that Clinton sometimes touts, like demanding concessions as a prerequisite to even opening lines of communications with “enemies”, and strength through stupidity generally. And it’s also worth noting that Obama voted against giving Bush the authorization to attack Iraq when even Clinton was buying all the lies and false rhetoric that Bush was selling. I think Obama understood then, as I did, that Bush had a misguided, romanticized vision of war and that he was hellbent on going to war with Iraq. Clearly anybody who voted to trust Bush did not understand him that clearly, and did not see how transparently false their claims were even then. By opposing the war from the start, Obama demonstrated a judgment that is remarkably rare, and a judgment that Clinton lacked, or possibly lacks still.

  • Tom @48 – Now you’re talking crazy talk. Bill winning was fine. We just needed to hire him some better strategists, preferably some whom could actually play offense instead of always waiting for his enemies to set the field for him. Even now, Hillary’s found herself stuck having to act like a Republican to make this work. That really isn’t too surprising.

    But all the same, not only would Bush Sr. have found some way to suck the life out of the internet boom (to his investor’s benefit, no doubt), but they would have taken credit for the more modest boom it created and use it to pretend that conservatism actually works.

  • Actually, Dan, what Hillary is doing does in fact prove that her OODA loop is completely out of whack. The “Spinney” that James Fallows quotes is the same Chuck Spinney I quoted here about the OODA loop. When someone gets to the point that they have no strategy left, they do things that destroy their moral standing.

    I think that’s exactly what we’re talking about here. Hillary Clinton, in all her arrogant blindness and sense of entitlement, is now destroying what she claims to want. If she keeps this up, by the time she gets it, it will be ashes in her mouth, because no one will vote for her. And instead of having a victory on the level of 1932, the Old Republic will take another whack from the wannabe Caesars, and people like me and doubtful will no longer be the reliable Democratic voters we once were.

    I have thought a lot about not voting for Hubert Humphrey in 1968, and whether those 50,000 votes Humphrey lost by were important. I do think Humphrey, had he won, would have returned to his roots as a genuine liberal progressive. So in retrospect I regret my non-vote.

    On the other hand, I will not regret my non-vote for Hillary, because she has demonstrated she has nothing to return to, other than her own insane Ego. Whatever bad one wants to say about McCain – and I take no backseat to anyone when it comes to pointing out his faults – I don’t think his Ego is as insane as hers. I’ll never vote for him, but I am damned if I am going to vote for a traitor.

  • Does anyone know when the Florida/Michigan debacle will be addressed? Every time Clinton mentions she won Michigan and Florida, it becomes more acceptable to those not paying attention.

  • Sorry, Dr. Biobgrain – That isn’t crazy talk, it’s what I’ve thought for 16 years. Bill Clinton winning in 1992 was the destruction of the Democratic Party, and he accomplished nothing worthwhile in his 8 years. Well, he accomplished the empowerment of the Right.

    DA/DT, NAFTA, Rwanda, the Balkans, health care, welfare “reform”, education “reform” (hey, how about those uniforms we got ’em?), the people he put on the Supreme Court (Breyer now leads the charge to immunize corporations from liability in all ways), everything – Howard Dean was right to distinguish himself as being “from the democratic wing of the Democratic Party,” as a way of saing he wasn’t a clintonista.

    I didn’t vote for that lying sack of shit in 1992 or 1996, and I’m not changing my mind in 2008 because it’s the other half of the conspiracy.

  • Tom, can you post a link to the original discussion where the OODA loop is defined? I’ve lost it and would like to take another look.

  • Comeback Bill @ 30: “Hillary beat him by almost 400,000 votes combined yesterday.

    However, in the score that matters, which would be delegates, she won by as few as 4. (I realize that’s the Obama projection, but inarguably, she didn’t make up a lot of ground)

    Since you’re bringing up the taunting (“choked”, “get over it”), I will respond in kind by pointing and chanting “scoreboard, scoreboard!”. Senator Clinton is down by several touchdowns, and the clock is running down – she made a good play, but she’s still getting beat. To continue the metaphor, I don’t object to her if she wants to play hard and is still trying to win, but I object to her taking cheap shots trying to “injure” her opponent. It shows no class, and regardless, we want the winner of this contest to prevail in the next round.

  • Dan @ 52

    I suspect this will not be addressed until just before (if not at) the convention. My guess is that the party officials were desperately hoping that one candidate dropped out before the convention so that the issue conveniently “went away”. It now looks like there is little chance of that happening.

    Depending on how it pans out, it will show the true character of more leaders in the Democratic party. Will they cave to pressure to allow the delegates to be seated? Will they stand by their rules and tell the delegates they can watch from the sidelines?

    How will each candidate respond to these actions? How will the delegates themselves respond? How will voters in FL and MI respond?

    Its a pretty big mess. It is inevitable that some are going to come out of the convention feeling they’ve been screwed. Another self-inflicted wound for the party.

  • Experience sleeping with a president does not equate with actual governmental leadership experience. Hillary has six years of elected office. That is it. Total. It is ridiculous to call that depth of experience.

  • I hear what you’re saying, Tom. But I think all that came down to their defense-only mentality. That wasn’t the kind of stuff they set out to do. That was all part of their defense strategy; failing to realize that while they won lots of little battles, they lost the war. And frankly, I’m not sure they really cared about that, which was part of the problem. They only want to win battles; kind of like people who insult the people they debate against. Sure, they won’t win any converts, but it sure does make them feel better.

    And that’s my biggest worry with Hillary now and I see nothing that looks like she’s learned the lesson. Even with Obama, she’s not playing offense properly and has to adopt rightwing techniques to do it. And all the same, I think it’ll be the Lieberman thing all over again. He wouldn’t punch against Bush-Cheney in the presidential election, but he’d go all out against Lamont in a primary and refuse to back down even after the loss. If Hillary somehow makes it to the general, the bunker will go full scale and we’ll only hear what her reactions to smears are. But she won’t smear John McCain the way she does Obama.

  • I never cared much for Hillary Clinton, so she didn’t really disappoint me, because I already expected nothing much from her in the way of class. Personally, I think those commenters I’ve had time to read were pretty easy on her.

    WaPo is trumpeting the news that McCain is significantly behind both Obama and Clinton in hypothetical matchups, but that’s ignoring the same tactic that worked so well in Texas – lots of Republicans voted for Hillary in the primary who will most assuredly and enthusiastically vote against her in the general. The Democratic party – and WaPo’s analysts – remind of nothing so much as the putzy Charlie Brown, who always throws his back out because he trusts Lucy not to snatch the football away at the last second, no matter how often she does just that.

    John McCain will kill Hillary in the general, regardless what WaPo thinks, because half her own party already despises her and the Republicans who pushed her over the line in Texas will gleefully torpedo her in the general. But – incredibly – if this scenario played out, there would still be Democrats who were confused by the sudden turnabout, wouldn’t even see it coming. Republicans are supposed to be stupid Neanderthals, and Democrats are supposed to be deep thinkers. You’d never know it from the twaddle in today’s papers.

  • Tom, i’m with you on the election of Bill Clinton in 1992. And though it was the first Presidential election i was eligible to vote in, i (with a hint of humble pride) refused to vote for him. I went ahead and wrote in Frank Zappa. I’ve never been able to explain it with a short answer, but they’ve always just raised the hairs on the back of my neck.

    It should be noted/remembered that he didn’t really win that election anyhow. 43% of the vote is hardly a landslide. His 44,909,806 votes doesn’t look that impressive when you compare them to Ross Perot’s 19,743,821 votes. Bill did not so much win, as Perot forced H.W. to lose. Yet somehow, that election is remembered by Democrats as some kind of triumph.

    What successes he had are far outweighed by his failures and his selling out. He was handed the most amazing opportunity in American history. The first modern president to not have to put the Cold War front and center. Simply put, he squandered an opportunity that will never come again…but hey, things worked out fine for the Clintons and that’s all that really matters, isn’t it?

  • Mrs. Clinton has shown again that she is undefeatable. After all of the pressure from the left wing of the Democratic Party, continuous media bias, free air support from scores of political pro Obama pundits, continuous manipulations of the polls (always on Obama’s favor), etc… she is pretty much alive & a viable political candidate.
    Obama can not defeat McCain just with the left wingers & Blacks! To win, you need to have the centrists, women, Latinos & Asians. Hillary has them all. She will win!
    OUR COUNTRY NEEDS HER!

  • If the democratic primary was about experience the nominee would be Joe Biden.

    The three leaders for the democratic nomination were the three democrats running with the LEAST experience.

    @48 I’m glad Bill won in 92, that siad he should have resigned after the impeachment and let Al Gore run as the incumbent in 2000

  • Sorry, I think too much is being read into her remarks. Is this really any worse than all the positive comments that Obama made about Reagan and his “transformational” effect (with the concomitant remarks re Bill Clinton’s lack thereof)? There is nothing at all reprehensible about contrasting the levels of experience between Clinton/McCain and Obama; we all know that both Obama and Clinton are united in their opposition to most of what McCain stands for. A campaign is all about comparing and contrasting; I don’t regard that as “negative.”

  • The more Mrs. Clinton gets closer to her big nomination the more desperate Obama become. It reminds me of the British comedy “The Life of Brian” Can you imagine what would have happened if Obama was really leading the country? This country doesn’t need whining preachers, but it does need leaders with knowledge, experience and devotion. The Obamanatics forget that most of these advisers that are being so disrespectful towards Mrs. Clinton were unknown in the middle of nowhere, until Bill Clinton gave them the chance to be somebody during his reign of eight years. During those years the economy flourished and politically we were very much respected abroad. Everyone knows that Hillary was a very active part of Bill Clinton’s policies.
    Do not forget, no other democrat nominee in thirty plus years, was able to defeat the republicans with the left wing rhetoric. I agree it is all about judgments. Obama is backed by a bunch of left wingers like Kerry etc that are trying to kidnap the leadership of the Democratic Party, despite the fact that they were directly responsible for the badly lost elections. On the other side, Hillary is backed by one of the most successful democrats in the history of the democrats, Bill Clinton. Trying to deform and distort the facts of that success is so shameful of these people that associate themselves with the Democratic Party. She is a blessing for our country. She represents a broad support base that includes women, Latinos, Asians, independents, even republicans, top brass from army & other services, recognized and highly respected around the world, etc.
    So, do we really want to take a chance with Obama?!

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