These laws make me blue

Guest Post by Morbo

And now an update from Croatia: Shopping on Sundays has been banned – kind of.

Croatia is 90 percent Roman Catholic, and the country’s clerical hierarchy has been moaning for some time about the trend of people spending Sundays in shopping malls instead of churches. A new law will go into effect Jan. 1 requiring most shops to close.

But there are always exceptions. The Associated Press reported that Sunday shopping will still be allowed during the summer and around Christmas.

The law also allows stores in gas, bus and train stations to open on Sundays year-round, along with those in hospitals. Bakeries, newsstands and flower shops are also exempt from the ban.

We used to have these dumb Sunday-closing laws in the many parts of the United States. They are called “blue laws,” and remnants of them still exist. In my area of the country, for example, all of the malls are open on Sunday, but most car dealerships are closed. My wife attended grad school in North Carolina in the 1980s and noted that you could not buy wine on Sunday until after 12 p.m.

But laws requiring malls, big box stores, groceries and other retail establishments to close on Sundays are pretty much kaput these days. What happened to them? I once heard TV preacher Pat Robertson accuse the Supreme Court of doing in blue laws, but Robertson, as usual, was wrong. Blue laws should have been blasted out of existence by the Supreme Court as a violation of church-state separation, but it didn’t happen. The Supreme Court actually upheld Sunday-closing laws in a 1961 case called McGowan v. Maryland.

The court majority held that blue laws might have once had a religious purpose but have since become secular, merely providing a day of rest for some people. Lame. What if your day of rest is not Sunday? What if you don’t need or want a day of rest? The court blithely glossed over these questions.

Despite the boost from the high court, blue laws died a natural death.

Two things did them in: one, shopkeepers soon learned that people wanted to shop on Sundays and pressured state legislatures to repeal the laws so they could make more money. Government, eager to increase its tax revenues, said OK. Two, blue laws were unenforceable.

Think about it. A total ban on buying and selling on Sunday is impossible. Restaurants need to be open for tourists and travelers. People need to buy gas, the Sunday paper, medicine or other items. Exemptions are always carved out, and at that point, the law becomes a joke. Maryland’s blue law, for example, permitted people to buy food, gas, medicine and newspapers, but not, among other items, notebooks or toys. Yet large grocery stores might easily sell all of those items. If the store is open and selling food, what’s the point of denying someone the ability to buy a notebook as well?

A little advice for the clergy of Croatia: If you’re worried about people not coming to church on Sunday, don’t seek to shut down the competition. Instead, do a better job preaching.

I used to live in Virginia, but am now in Minnesota (thank, um, God?). It irked me to no end that many stores were closed on Sundays–and even some of them in Virginia would proudly display permanent signs on their doors proclaiming their love of God and/or their faith–apparently without regard to how such blatancy appears to those customers who may choose not to believe.

When asked ‘why are you closed on Sundays?’ many would say that they did so so that their employees could attend church–again assuming that everyone under their employ wanted to do so–and not considering that some of them may actually want to work.

I’m glad I got out of there to a place that is more ‘receptive’ to a host of views.

  • I used to live in Texas. The blue laws there (now applying only to car dealers) said that businesses could not open on “consecutive weekend days”. When do Pastafarians worship?

  • Here in SC, we still have blue laws. Food and toiletries can be sold Sunday mornings, but nothing else until after 1:30. And, no alcohol on Sundays. And, no alcohol and voting days. Yikes.

  • Well, the clergy better figure out how to close the borders on Sundays, too, because there’s all kinds of stuff within a two-to-three hours’ drive from anywhere in the whole damned country. Then there’s that nice, long coast on the Adriatic, and I can see all sorts of seaborne vendors popping up overnight. Tour-boats running out beyond Croatia’s legal limit into open waters, and all.

  • I can’t understand why all the car dealers here are closed on Sunday. Sunday would be a huge car-shopping day, as Saturday already is, and would take some of the pressure off of Saturday. Who wants to take off from work to go car-shopping?

    Everything else is open on Sunday in Oklahoma – except liquor stores, of course. (They are also closed until 7PM on election days, for some strange reason.) If the car dealers wanted to open on Sunday, I’m sure they could manage somehow to influence enough legislators to make it happen. But they don’t.

    The last time I was in Germany, very few shops are open on Sunday. It was a real nuisance for tourists, and undoubtedly cost the economy some money.

    Good point Morbo – if people aren’t going to church, it must be because the church isn’t filling a need. It would never occur to the hierarchy to examine their own product, would it?

  • In Ohio, no retail booze sales before 1 PM Sunday. The collection plates should be full by then. German-owned Aldi stores were closed on Sunday in compliance with their home blue laws, but started to open then last year. A buddy says that his wife wouldn’t perform certain marital duties on Sunday, but his taking out the trash and straightening the garage changed her mind. He said it was a religious experience.

  • BS. I can’t buy booze at a l liquor store on Sunday. No beer til 12 p.m. Malls close early. And no tipping.

    Texas sucks. Yet I can buy a gig of RAM whenever I want.

  • Growing up, I thought blue laws were a dumb idea, period.

    At this point, though, I think a day for people to rest, to think about things other than making money and buying things with it is a good idea.

    Partly it’s the time I spent working retail, where weekends are definitely not sacred, schedules are random, and you never get a predictable time to slow down. Partly it’s my own exhaustion, realizing that I’m using Sundays the way I use the rest of the week and never slowing down.

    I understand the secular appeal of abolishing blue laws, but it’s funny to hear the kinds of “but I want to buy and sell stuff” arguments that make the market end of the right wing happy here. It’s not really secularism that’s wearing these things down, here or in Germany or elsewhere, but rather the continuing insistence that the market has to stay open, all the time, every day.

    A pause in that would make me happy. If you want to schedule that for Wednesday instead of Sunday, okay – but let’s stop a second and think about why exactly we insist on being able to buy things any time we want to, and why we think retailers should always have their employees ready for us to indulge.

    (Gas stations, restaurants, transportation, and hotels are classic exceptions for obvious reasons. I don’t see a reason to change that, though employees should probably be compensated for working on a day everyone else gets off…)

  • Here in Missouri, most of our local blue laws are gone (good riddance), though there are still a few vestiges. In the supermarket, they shroud the liquor aisle, so you can’t buy booze on Sunday. One of our more annoying local electronics retailers makes a point of telling you they are closed Sunday, I guess so you know how pious they are. (I take it as a sign that, given that I’m a godless liberal, they don’t want my business, though their TV spokesman is so annoying I would probably not go there anyway.)

    Good luck to the croatians with their blue laws. If they can’t go shopping on Sundays they can always go to one of their local nude beaches.

  • I have lived in Croatia for the past 9 years and I don’t think his will make a bit of difference. The countries economy is based a lot on tourism and for that reason during the summer months every thing will be open as usual. Most shops now close by 2pm on sundays with the exceptions of the large malls. Knowing the people as I have come to know them this will not increase church attendence at all, most of the people I know here are non believers any way. Also I can by wine and beer and booze on sunday with out any problem. It is just to bad that the the government caved in to the church, but shit happens in the best of places.

  • Let’s remove the question of religion for a moment. Consumerism is killing our planet and our spirits. Is it really such a bad thing not to be able to shop for one day? If we we’re not shopping what could we be doing? Spending time with family and friends, reading, gardening, helping a neighbor….enjoying life instead of waiting in line to acquire more stuff.

  • The whole concept of stores closing on Sundays is pretty funny. I was born in Milwaukee, where liquor is sort of like religion, only far more important. When my family moved to Indiana and found that grocery stores were dry on Sundays, it was serious culture shock.

  • I am an atheist, but morbo’s post doesn’t take in to consideration the feelings of retail workers their families and their unions. How does Walmart,etc., treat the workforce for these extra profitmaking hours? Unions have opposed the abolition of blue laws to ensure that workers have time off for at least part of the weekend as well as to ensure that those workers who are religious have the right to practice.

  • I agree with Painter.

    What’s the matter with one day of no shopping or driving?

    This might be a way to help reduce carbon emissions, but I doubt that anything like this would go through. Stores never like to reduce shopping days and consumers don’t like restrictions so any politician who proposed this would come to a quick end.

  • I’m with 8, 11, 13 & 14.

    I propose Tuesdays, to remove any sanctioning of a sectarian motive.

    If one day of rest per week is too much for our madcap society, how about once per month? The 15th?

  • My wife attended grad school in North Carolina in the 1980s and noted that you could not buy wine on Sunday until after 12 p.m.

    I guess old priests in NC regale their younger colleagues about how when they were young they had to make sure on Saturday nights that they had ample sacrificial wine for Sunday morning masses.

  • What’s the matter with one day of no shopping or driving?

    As somebody who’s lived under this kind of regime, I’ll answer you.

    Imagine you hare a regular working stiff, working full time five days a week. Now imagine you have some commitments that eat up your Saturday (visiting parents out of town, yard work that won’t wait, catching up on the bills, taking the kids to practice). So the only time you have to do that bit of house maintenance that requires a good sized block of daylight is Sunday. So you start doing it, and discover some vital piece that you need to complete the job isn’t in your possession. Can you go out and buy it? Oops, no, blue laws have closed the store you’d have to go to. You’re screwed.

    Or imagine you are orthodox jewish, and have to keep the sabbath, so you can’t use Saturday to do errands. Thanks to the (christian) blue laws, you lose your Sunday as well. You’re screwed again.

    The moral is, don’t imagine everyone has your life. For plenty of them, enforced no-shopping on Sunday is a major pain in the ass. WRT the people who have to work Sundays, well, they probably have a day off during the week (or their employer is paying big overtime charges).

  • When I was growing up in Poland, every shop was closed on Sundays. The only exceptions were newsstands (up to the owner whether to open or not), a few — designated in rotation — pharmacies and a few 24/7 “emergency” food stores. These last carried only the basics — mostly bread, beer and vodka. And we didn’t even have Saturdays off to go shopping; the work (and school) week was 6 days, not 5. This wasn’t dictated by religion, obviously; the same Sunday closings were in place in all the “godless”, communist, countries. It was to give people a breather from the unceasing treadmill of work — those who serve in the stores included. The *choice of the day* though, was tied to religion: Poland at that time was about 96-98% Catholic.

    Our elections took place on Sundays and I remember there being a lot of grumbling about that among the faithful. But, with the govt pestering you to vote (if your name hadn’t been checked off by 6PM — with the polls closing at 8 — someone would show up and offer to babysit, cook dinner, etc, so as to free you to do your duty. Too bad that, “while we could vote, we couldn’t elect”, as my Mother used to say), people still went, straight from church. After praying twice as hard for guidance, I guess.

  • I think everyone should be allowed to figure out what they need to do. Several of my favorite online electronic stores display We Close at 4 pm Friday, Closed All Day Saturday, Open Sunday. As I Jew, I could figure out why pretty quickly.
    By the By, that’s why a lot of Jews Do Not Want standard Blue Laws. They Require Sunday Closings, and Jews hold holy Saturday, which kills the whole weekend.
    Me? I shop when I need something. But then again, I work from home. And I’m not a very observant Jew.

  • I can’t understand why all the car dealers here are closed on Sunday. Sunday would be a huge car-shopping day, as Saturday already is, and would take some of the pressure off of Saturday. Who wants to take off from work to go car-shopping?

    I’ve seen three car dealership fold up in the past three years, all within a five-minute drive from my house. The first one now sells “Holland” brand farm equipment, the second has been empty for over a year, and the third folded up two weeks ago, without any notice whatsoever—they were open on a Saturday, and by Monday, all the inventory, the service center, the showroom furniture—everything—was trucked out and gone.

    In Ohio, no retail booze sales before 1 PM Sunday.

    Not in MY part of Ohio. What part of the Buckeye State do you live in, ed?

  • I visited the capitol in early spring and was balked on Sunday when you can go to a bar as long as you like but you can’t buy vodka because the liquor store (only place you can buy it) is closed. In Ohio they actually have a product called “diluted vodka” for Sundays(?), I saw it and I laughed my ass off. I thought Gilbeys was already diluted; It certainly tastes that way. When I was a kid only 3.2 beer was available on Sundays in OH. In California (only a portion of the state wishes it was the 18th century again;displaced mid-westerners I assume) I’ve never come across any ridiculous blue law. I’d say thank God but you have to assume levity for the deity part..

  • Right here in Springfield, MO, Home of the World Headquarters of the Assemblies of God blue laws as a child (’60s) had pharmacies and grocery stores putting up ropes around isles of shoes, toys etc. while remaining open to sell half of the other items it carrried that weren’t “against the law” to sell on Sunday. Liquor could not be purchased on Sundays.

    The whole thing was such a farce forced on all those who didn’t believe as the enforcers believed. Slowly laws were passed that made it ok for stores outside of the city limits to sell liquor on Sunday. Those stores prospered so well even with outrageous prices that city merchants became desperate to tap into the Sunday liquor sales. So more laws were passed and now the Sunday wealth is shared…but not before noon on liquor. Amazing what money will buy…even hypocrisy.

  • What annoys me as much as blue laws in general is the absolute stupidity of many of them. When I was in college in Kansas (not sure if this has changed since), bars could be open on Sundays, but not liquor stores. Apparently the legislature thought it was better for people to go to the bar, get liqoured up watching football, and then drive home than to go to the liqour store, drive home sober, and get liquored up watching football. Great public policy, huh?

  • You say they’re kaput. And yet I feel that as a child we used to get mail service on Sunday….

  • Sunday shopping is either prohibited or constrained in most of western Europe, both for the protection of labour and religious reasons. The Croatians are just adapting to their neighbors…

  • Europe is still a different place from us. We lived in Switzerland for a couple of years. All of the stores closed down at 4pm on Saturday and remained closed all day Sunday — except for a few convenience stores attached to gas stations and a small grocery store at the train station. It was a pain, but in their view people should spend their Sundays with their families hiking in the woods, not shopping.

  • The Church must learn to live out the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    Do they want the Muslims to continue to expect that other people should stop working on fridays around the world?

    Do they want Seventh-day Adventists and other Sabbath keepers to start lobbying for Business to be closed on Sundays?

    To Force Sunday Closure or Commerce is Religious Fascism.

    Protect the rights of the individuals. not the day.

    I have a group on the subject on facebook called “Pro Optional Sunday Trading Taskforce (POSTT)” visit http://groups.to/Liberty to see it.

    Ryan O’Neil Seaton ( http://www.profile.to/ryanseaton)

  • fullfillment of prophesy, sabbath vs sunday..sunday is being kept holy instead of saturday which is the 7th day sabbath that God blessed…thats all brothers and sisters..

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