They still won’t follow us home

Bush’s July 4th speech mentioned al Qaeda only four times — he showed great restraint — though one of the references told us that the terrorist network is “the very same folks that attacked us on September the 11th.” It’s always heartwarming when the president talks down to Americans as if we have no idea who al Qaeda is.

Bush added, “A major enemy in Iraq is the same enemy that dared attack the United States on that fateful day.” Not too terribly long ago, Bush described “the terrorists affiliated with or inspired by al Qaeda” — not even the network itself — as the “smallest” component of violence in Iraq. But he wasn’t as politically desperate at that point.

But this was the real gem.

“If we were to quit Iraq before the job is done, the terrorists we are fighting would not declare victory and lay down their arms — they would follow us here, home. If we were to allow them to gain control of Iraq, they would have control of a nation with massive oil reserves — which they could use to fund new attacks and exhort [sic] economic blackmail on those who didn’t kowtow to their wishes.”

The first half of the argument — terrorists would follow us home — continues to be fairly silly. As recent events in Britain make clear, there are dangerous extremists who want to do harm to the West. Whether U.S. troops stay in Iraq another day or another decade won’t make the threat go away — though the longer our presence, the more serious the terrorist threat grows.

For that matter, I had hoped we were past this point by now, but as long as Bush continues to repeat nonsense, it’s probably a good idea to keep debunking it. Fred Kaplan, calling the president’s argument “nonsense,” once again sets the record straight.

First, the vast majority of the insurgents have nothing to do with al-Qaida or its ideology. They’re combatants in a sectarian conflict for power in Iraq, and they have neither the means nor the desire to threaten North America.

Second, to the extent that the true global terrorists could attack us at home, they could do so whether or not U.S. troops stay or win in Iraq. The one issue has nothing to do with the other.

Third, what kind of thing is this to say in front of the allies? If our main goal in bombing, strafing, and stomping through Iraq is to make sure we don’t have to do so on our own territory, will any needy nation ever again seek our aid and cover? Or will they seek out a less blatantly selfish protector?

Then there’s the second half of the argument.

Bush described a scenario in which al Qaeda, after a U.S. withdrawal, seizes “control” of the entire country of Iraq.

But that really doesn’t make any sense. Kevin Drum recently explained:

[T]here’s a dirty little secret of the Iraq war that neither party is eager to acknowledge publicly: namely that the fastest way to defeat al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) is probably for us to leave and let the Iraqis do it themselves. Republicans don’t want to acknowledge this for the obvious reason: they want to stay in Iraq and this doesn’t help their cause. Democrats, I suspect, also don’t want to talk too much about this, but for a different reason: because it tacitly condones the reason the Iraqis can do a better job than us of stamping out AQI. It’s not just that Iraqis know their own neighborhoods better than us (though that’s part of it), but that when it comes to exterminating AQI Iraqis would almost certainly be far more brutal about it than Americans. That’s not really a subject anyone wants to bring up in polite company.

But that doesn’t make it any less true. If we leave Iraq, the country is unlikely in the extreme to become an al-Qaeda haven. Partly this is because it’s rage at the American presence itself that provides a big part of the fuel for AQI’s growth. Our withdrawal would eliminate that source of rage and devastate AQI’s ability to continue its recruiting. Partly it’s because, as we’re seeing in Anbar province right now, even Sunni extremists don’t like AQI. Left to their own devices they’ll kill off AQI jihadists in order to protect their own tribal turf. And partly it’s because once we withdraw, non-Kurdish Iraq will be free to finish its inevitable transition into a Shiite theocracy — a transition that’s sadly unavoidable whether we stay or not. Yes, this transition will be bloody, but in the end Iraq will almost certainly be composed of the Kurdish north, which has no use for al-Qaeda; the remaining Sunni sheikhs, who also have no use for al-Qaeda; and the victorious Shiite central government itself, which likewise has no use for murderous Sunni jihadists on its soil. Between the three of them, AQI isn’t likely to last a year.

Indeed, as the administration’s own policy makes clear, Sunnis in Iraq are anxious to take up arms in order to drive al Qaeda from their country. Here’s a crazy idea: why don’t we let them?

I realize the president is feeling the political heat over his failed war policy, so he’s spinning as furiously as he can, but isn’t it about time for the vaunted White House communications team to come up with more persuasive talking points?

well, the fact is, the white house communications team got the “vaunted” reputation because this kind of blithering nonsense worked so well for so long. they don’t have any other arrows in their quiver.

  • Drum nails it. The only question I have is, what happens once Iraq becomes a Shiite theocracy? Does it become a puppet of Iran? or at least a staunch ally that will act in conjunction with them? Or does Iraq become a slightly more moderate version of Iran with some allegiance to the US?

    My belief is that it will be the former, unfortunately.

  • If we were to allow them to gain control of Iraq, they would have control of a nation with massive oil reserves — which they could use to fund new attacks and exhort economic blackmail on those who didn’t kowtow to their wishes.”

    So then we would have succeded in exporting the American Way to Iraq and they would behave exactly as we do?

  • Here’s an idea: even if Al Qaeda were “to gain control of Iraq”, why don’t we let them? Right now, we’re wasting huge amounts of resources and soldiers fighting a group that has no infrastructure to destroy, which seems to be the only thing our military is really effective at. If we pull out of Iraq, we can focus on rebuilding/restructuring our military and saving money and lives. On the off chance that AQ really does seize control of Iraq, they’ll have to spend lots of money rebuilding infrastructure that we could then easily destroy. Let them waste their resources for a change.

    In other words, Bush seems to be laboring under the delusion that we couldn’t go back into Iraq at a later time if it developed into a genuine U.S. security threat. I seem to recall, however, that this is our second foray into the country within a 15 year time period. And that second foray was based on total B.S. Making a third foray with a legitimate reason shouldn’t be hard to sell, even internationally.

  • Well, first you have to understand the his comments were delivered to the usual invitation-only crowd, so presumably, these people are guaranteed to lap up whatever Bush dishes out. The problem, really, is the coverage of the speech, which never challenged the president’s statements – it was your standard video clip with lots of red, white and blue, and whatever line delivered the most applause.

    The print media seems to have buried it somewhere inside a canned AP report on July 4th activities around the nation; I sort of expected to read the words, “blah, blah, blah” following “And in Martinsburg, West Virginia, the president said…”

    Let’s face it. If the president allowed his speeches to be open to the public – which they should be, since he is not just the president of the dwindling numbers of people who support him – I doubt if he would have been allowed to get away with that garbage about terrorists following us home, or any of the other crap he said yesterday.

    For all the concern about the president being protected from those who don’t agree with him, I sure wish there were as much concern about protecting us from him.

  • There’s stupidity. Way to the right of that there’s embarrassingly crass stupidity. And way to the right of that, there’s George W. Bush.

  • “the very same folks that attacked us on September the 11th.”

    Dear Leader’s repetition of this meme, as I see things, is nothing less than a threat directed at the American People. Reminders of 9/11 really serve no purpose other than to spread fear.

    There is not a soul in the world that will not forever remember the mass-terrorism of 9/11 perpetrated against the good people of America. Through these tactics, Bush and his NeoCon 9/11 Hit Squad continue to perpetuate the psychological trauma brought about by 9/11 on the American Psyche.

    It is disgusting that a United States “President” would stoop so low in manipulating and exploiting the fear, hatred, and lust for vengeance that 9/11 brought about. A real leader would evoke courage, not fear. A real leader would not use the tragedy for all Americans that was 9/11 as a pre-text to advance an American Corporate Empire. But that is exactly what this small man has done on behalf of his masters’ Private Corporate Cabal.

    Worst. Sub-Human. Ever.

  • I can’t find the article (too lazy) but a month or so ago the citizens of a city in Iraq killed/drove out members of a fundamentalist sect. Iraq isn’t going to become a second Afghanistan but so far as I know the pResident didn’t applaud this act of repelling the forces of fundy whackjobs.

    I wonder why…

    the terrorist network is “the very same folks that attacked us on September the 11th.”

    And Bin Laden is the very same leader of those “folks” (WTF?) and he still hasn’t been captured.

    Gah. I’m at the point where I wish we could divide the country in two parts: The part that believes the pResident’s bullshit and the part that doesn’t. The part that does believe can make BushBaby Emperor 4 EvA, pass their own laws and fight any damn war they desire with whatever money and military they can scrape together.

  • …as the administration’s own policy makes clear, Sunnis in Iraq are anxious to take up arms in order to drive al Qaeda from their country. Here’s a crazy idea: why don’t we let them?…

    Because then they would be able to team up with Iran and make the US oil companies pay more for the oil that they have been allowed to steal from the people of the region. The price of oil would go up, people would begin to conserve more, then the oil company profits would go down, and oh the horrors if the promise of domestically produced alternative energy becomes a reality!

    CB, I think you kinda left out the part where the Sunni majorities in Syria and Saudi Arabia join in the civil war in Iraq. The Saudis are armed to the teeth with modern American weapons that Iran can’t really deal with, and they have already promised to jump in if we leave the Iraqi Sunnis to be overrun by the Shia. They very badly want the Iranians to halt their nuclear program, and they probably have access to Pakistani nukes.

    Add to this that the Syrians are very interested in getting a slice of the oil that they currently don’t have a drop of, so they would probably be glad to help the Saudis beat back the Shiite Heretics (and give their regime more power as all despots get by launching wars). Throw in Israel, who would very gladly support all sides against the others (just like we did in the Iran-Iraq war).

    We are almost inevitably looking at a regional war, with literally trillions of dollars of oil at stake. And with our ground forces literally ground into the dust, we will only be able to affect it from the air and perhaps limited ground expeditions. We won’t be able to impose our will except to back up someone else’s forces who will do the dirty work on the ground.

    This is going to get very very messy. I advise that people buy a little gold as insurance, and learn what you can about self sufficiency. It will come in handy.

  • So Bush actually invoked the word “OIL” in his little speech.

    Oh, but this war isn’t about oil. yaright.

  • Re: tAiO @ #9

    “The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.” -George W. Bush, 9/13/01

    Guess he’s gonna find bin Laden in Iraq/n if it kills us all…

    Someone please explain the 67-vote excuse again. I Heart Private Armies.

  • So if al Qaeda is the main threat in Iraq, why has the US recently targeted Sadr City with raids and airstrikes?

  • Question for Little George:

    What is keeping all the terrorists from leaving Iraq NOW, in a strategy to attack us on a third front? They already know where we leave – the last battalion out probably won’t leave a trail of bread crumbs.

    He really is the 27% President.

  • If me and a bunch o’ the guys here banded together and started calling ourselves ‘The New York Mets in Seattle’, would it be appropriate for the President to refer to us as “the very same folks who miraculously won the World Series in 1969”?

    Even if we claimed to play by the rules of Major League Baseball and swore allegiance to Gil Hodges, or Willie Randolph for that matter?

    Or would the President doing so actually give us far more credibility and charisma that we deserve, and make us seem far more like a real baseball team than we are?

    I’m just sayin’.

  • More people like Kaplan need to make those points. What makes the Bush Administration think all the terrorists in the world are gonna be kind enough to make a stop in Iraq and paint big targets on their heads for our marines? How do you think the Iraqis feel that, sure, we said were coming to remove Saddam from power and disarm his WMDs, but we’ve decided to stay a while and use Iraq as a battlezone. We want the Iraqis to endure the bombings and the killings so that we won’t have to. We want their streets to run with blood so that ours may stay pure. Isn’t it just possible they might be offended by that? I have been pushing these points for a year now and every time I see them once again trotted out by the Bushies I literally start grinding my teeth (and take to the blogosphere).

  • “Sunnis in Iraq are anxious to take up arms in order to drive al Qaeda from their country. Here’s a crazy idea: why don’t we let them?”

    Yes, but they want to keep the weapons to fight the Shiites afterward. And that should be none of our business. The country will sort itself out after we withdraw, out of necessity. They will reach their own agreements out of necessity.
    But we are not in Iraq for the Iraqis. We are there for us.

    Since everything Bush said in this speech is a lie because Al Qaeda’s presence is only relevant to our own presence in Iraq, and since Bush is using the same type of false pre-war rhetoric aligned with “the smoking gun comes in the form of a mushroom cloud” to keep us in fear of leaving, and finally since he would have us believe that all the people we are fighting “over there” are all the same enemy that attacked us on 9/11, then he must have ulterior motives strong enough to justify using such a blatantly mis-leading argument. Consider this:

    Bush has already boasted that he will make it impossible for the next president to leave Iraq.
    He has filled the Persian Gulf with carriers and attack ships.
    He has increased troop strength to around 160,000 and matched it with about 180,000 contractors.
    He has granted himself unitary privilege of dictator in case of national emergency.
    He has removed habeas corpus rights and made all FEMA camps operational.
    He has built permanent basis in Iraq.
    He has fed the war profiteers too generously over the past 4yrs to stop now.

    Taken singularly these are not that alarming but together they should cause a great deal of fear. The press is just repeating what the military claims as true calling all insurgents al qaeda. Bush is going to great lengths to make this fantasy believable, a fantasy he knows to be untrue.
    This is all a build up to justify attacking Iran. Once again Israel is getting us to do their bidding for them.
    The only way to prevent this disaster, to prevent attacking Iran is through impeachment. No matter how the Congress spins that Bush does not have the authority to do this, he most definitely has the power to do it. Impeachment now is urgent as the only recourse to reigning in that power. Living in fear of what this president might do next as he has shown a total disregard for congress or the rule of law or the bill of rights or the constitution, is not living in a democracy. For most of us we awake each morning worrying that something might have happened while we slept. This is Cheney’s and Bush’s America.

    Everyday I live in fear of my president…of what he might do next, and feel powerless because my congress allows him to continue.

  • Re: bjobotts @ #18

    Excellent points all.

    Our Constitutional Republic is in its 11th hour. It is a tragedy that the American People are not awakening from their slumber as expeditiously as is called for to preserve our American way of life.

    The only way that I can envision making a difference is through the advocation of awareness and activism. I have already contacted my elected representatives to impeach Dick&Bush. And I have contacted Nancy Pelosi as well. Not because I am a Democrat, but because I am an American.

    The struggle continues.

  • I have what I believe is a great idea. I must confess I kind of blew through the comments, so I hope somebody else didn’t think of it first. Instead of bringing the troops straight home, why don’t you send them somewhere else first – somewhere America doesn’t especially like, like maybe Iran. That way, see, it would kind of fake out the terrorists, make them think that’s where the Americans live, and they’d follow them to Iran instead!!! Then the troops could create some kind of diversion, and slip out the other side!

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