They’re still confused

Red State: “There seems to be an awful lot of selective outrage here. I don’t see why this dust up should be all that embarrassing for the White House or Republicans. Furthermore, I don’t see why the White House should be answering any questions about this matter at all, from Congress or from anywhere else. Soon after his inauguration in 1993, the Clinton Justice Department fired every Federal [tag]prosecutor[/tag] in the Department of Justice. Every one. No reasons were given or required.”

The Corner (Tim Graham): “[tag]Gonzales[/tag] should not be judged without considering the massive media double-standard on this puny scandal. Here’s your breakfast drinking game: Have a drink every time the networks mention that Bush fired eight U.S. attorneys, and Clinton fired all 93 U.S. attorneys in 1993. It’s a drinking game in which you’ll never get drunk.”

Macsmind: “It’s utterly facinating [sic] to see all the hoopty-do about seven prosecutors fired, which is drop in a bucket compared to the ‘Great Purge of ’93.'”

Scared Monkeys: “[T]his same media remained mum on the topic when Bill Clinton decided to fire all 93 US Attorneys when he assumed the Presidency under an ethical cloud. And during this period we remember that he always referred to Hillary as his Co-President. So traditional media, why don’t one of you suck it up and ask the Junior Senator from New York the question on why it was proper for you and your co-President husband to fire ALL the US Attorneys and Bush to fire 7 with cause?”

And on and on it goes. They just don’t seem to understand how wrong they are.

For what it’s worth, this McClatchy report takes on the myth.

The Bush administration and its defenders like to point out that President Bush isn’t the first president to fire U.S. attorneys and replace them with loyalists.

While that’s true, the current case is different. Mass firings of U.S. attorneys are fairly common when a new president takes office, but not in a second-term administration. Prosecutors are usually appointed for four-year terms, but they are usually allowed to stay on the job if the president who appointed them is re-elected.

Even as they planned mass firings by the Bush White House, Justice Department officials acknowledged it would be unusual for the president to oust his own appointees. Although Bill Clinton ordered the wholesale removal of U.S. attorneys when he took office to remove Republican holdovers, his replacement appointees stayed for his second term.

Ronald Reagan also kept his appointees for his second term.

“In some instances, Presidents Reagan and Clinton may have been pleased with the work of the U.S. attorneys, who, after all, they had appointed,” Kyle Sampson, former chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, speculated in a 2006 memo outlining Bush’s alternative approach. “In other instances, Presidents Reagan and Clinton may simply have been unwilling to commit the resources necessary to remove the U.S. attorneys.”

And CAP mentioned the myth is its daily talking-points feature this morning.

Last week in Little Rock, Rove claimed the attorney firings were “normal and ordinary” because Clinton had done the same thing when he replaced all 93 U.S. Attorneys in 1993. The difference, as former White House Chief of Staff John Podesta told the Progress Report, is that “the Clinton administration never fired federal prosecutors as pure political retribution.” The Clinton administration, like the H.W. Bush and Reagan administrations before it, asked for all U.S. Attorneys to resign at the beginning of their respective presidential terms. […]

The Congressional Research Service has confirmed how unprecedented these firings are … It found that of 486 U.S. attorneys confirmed since 1981, perhaps no more than three were forced out in similar ways — three in 25 years, compared with seven in recent months.” (Read the full CRS report here.) The new emails show the Justice Department knew what they were doing had never been done before. “In recent memory, during the Reagan and Clinton Administrations, Presidents Reagan and Clinton did not seek to remove and replace U.S. Attorneys to serve indefinitely under the holdover provision,” Samson wrote.

Note to the right: please come up with something else. You’re not only embarrassing yourself, you’re driving the reality-based community batty.

Update: [tag]Hillary Clinton[/tag] is doing her part in setting the record straight, too.

“This is a great difference,” she said. “When a new president comes in, a new president gets to clean house. It is not done on case-by-case basis where you didn’t do something that some senator or member of Congress told you to do in terms of investigation into opponents. It is ‘Let’s start afresh.’ Every president has done that.

“This happening now with this administration is actually quite rare,” she went on. “There’s been some research done that concluded it’s hardly ever happens and it happened with so many people and it apparently was going to happen with more. We now are hearing stories that basially the White House wanted to change all the [tag]US Attorneys[/tag] for political and personal reasons. I think this raises serious questions.”

but you don’t understa-a-a-a-and. CLINTON DID IT!!!

  • There is no defense to throwing sand in the umpire’s face. USA Fitzpatrick’s metaphor has been the Bush WH political strategy for far too long now. They have put party loyalty above loyalty to our nation’s political heritage of representative democracy. Mr. Bush and company have directly assualted our nation and its common citizens to such a degree impeachment would be an understatement. These WH dudes gotta go! -Kevo

  • “Note to the right: please come up with something else. You’re not only embarrassing yourself, you’re driving the reality-based community batty.”

    There is no need for them to come up with something else. First, this is enough sand to kick into the gears to confuse people who are pre-disposed to believe anything the Repub feed them.

    Next, they can’t be embarrassed.They are BELIEVERS. They stick to what they believe, no matter what, and (to them) there’s no embarrasment in doing that.

    Finally, they want to drive us batty. We should only be bothered by theis lies, and effectivly counter them with simple truth. And hereit is:

    This is using the Justice system to harass other political parties, just like Saddam did with the Baathist party.

  • Of course Clinton did some housecleaning in ’93. He was the first Dem to hold the presidency in 12 years and had three terms worth of Republican appointees to deal with. These guys don’t seem to mention that. Nor do the wingers mention that Harriet Miers wanted to purge the entire group of USAs midterm and that concept was whittled now to purging less than ten.

    I think an enterprising lefty blogger should come up with a “while you’re at it” list for the Bush Administration to fire the rest of the incompetent dead weight that needs to get purged from the government. Alberto should be at the top of that list. No, Cheney. No, Rove. No, Gen. Pace. No, …

  • Like many faith-based groups, they can’t imagine that they might be wrong, not so long as they’re parroting the party line. Like misery, ignorance loves company.

  • The Reichsters—each and every one, from Ded State to Flying Monkeys—know full well that DoJ is crumbling out from under Gonzo, and that kicking Gonzo to the curb is the equivalent of a revolving door—with factoid after hidden factoid pouring out into the public’s view as though it was blood gushing from a large caliber exit wound.

    I won’t start popping the corks just yet, but here in Northeast Ohio we’ve a fair number of wineries—and I’m thinking that it might be time to “support the local industry”—in “case” quantities….

  • well as long as they’re going back to 1993 – why did the wingnutes get all outraged and bent out of shape about the firings of the White House Travel Office – but are so “move along nothing to see here” about the US Attorneys? In the scheme of things which is more important?

  • You missed the WSJ editorial – here:

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009784

    It includes this stunning example of misinformation…

    But it should have been enough to prompt Mr. McKay, a Democrat, to investigate, something he declined to do, apparently on grounds that he had better things to do.

    1. McKay is a Republican

    2. McKay did investigate but didn’t prosecute voter fraud because there was no evidence of any.

    This is just scraping the surface; the whole article’s a stinker.

  • The fact that people are already losing their jobs, and that Gonzalez has already admitted “mistakes were made,” puts the kibosh on this spin.

    All they have left is, “What? You’re in favor of voter fraud?”

  • The problem, folks, is that we keep believing that these people will use logic, coherent reasoning, and facts.

    But as they’ve proven time and time and time again, those things get in the way of their narrowly defined world view. Besides, it’s much more difficult to demonize those you hate when all evidence prove that your attacks are false.

    There is no hope for these people. Seriously … they’re absolutely delusional and no amount of medication, thwaps upside the head, or even simple reality will change them. Ever.

  • “They just don’t seem to understand how wrong they are.” – CB

    Let’s set the record straight, they do understand how wrong they are, but what else are they going to print ??

    It’s reminds me of Rush’s “carrying water” rant. That is all these clowns are doing, we know and they know it. So why bother ??

    “You’re not only embarrassing yourself, you’re driving the reality-based community batty.”

    Embarrassment requires a sense of shame; no shame, no embarrassment.

  • “Like misery, ignorance loves company.” And as Racerx pointed out yesterday, there is a whole lot of intentional ignorance here in the US of A.

  • That’s why rightwing pundits are all wet. Too much water carrying.

    I wonder if this is the spin that Bush is told? Does anyone even mention the caveats to Bush.

    Hey Bush, you can’t learn to be president from books at this late stage. And you definitely can’t learn it from neocon theorists.

  • BRAND NEW LIE RELEASED… Snowjob says the White House is blocking Rove from appearing before Congress. The justification is that white house staff have never appeared before congress…

    Snowjob: “…it has been traditional in all White Houses not to have staffers testify on Capitol Hill”

    Can someone do a fact check and pull up a list, starting with John Dean? We have to e-mail CNN & MSNBC before they even start to repeat this new lie.

  • Further proof of the dismal failure of the homseschooling movment, producing halfwitted illiterates with no ability to perform critical thinking.

  • Ohian, I heard someone (maybe John Dean) say how many Clinton staffers had to appear–it was more than 20. I think I heard it on MSNBC where I also heard a discussion between Ben Veniste and Buchanan. I thought if I didn’t know about this already from blogs, I’d never be able to figure it out from this discussion. And it was entirely Buchanan obfuscating. David Gregory asked reasonable questions, Richard Ben Veniste gave sensible responses, but Pat Buchanan was determined to create havoc. And he did. I usually get frustrated with the good guys that don’t have better answers, but listening to that, I realized it wouldn’t matter. He was determined that viewers to be lost, and he was successful.

  • Ray Taliafero (SF’s KGO, 1-5 am) spun a funny fantasy this morning about how Bush struck up a rellationship with cute, chubby little Rove back in their Texas days and Rove remains his darling still. “Have you noticed,” Ray said suggestively, “that the chubby guy always has a satisfied smile on his face when he leaves the White House?” He was responding to a caller’s question about why Turdblossom always escapes. Maybe you had to hear it.

  • It’s not that they can’t engage in critical thinking; they won’t because critical thinking is not on their side. The facts have a well-known liberal bias as Colbert would say.

  • Are they hoping we won’t notice how specious thi argument is or are they really so stupid as to believe their own arguments?

  • What get me is that even in the McClatchy report the truth is not explicitly stated: They cite Reagan, Bush, and Clinton’s first year dismissals of U.S. Attorneys—but they fail to mention that back in 2001, President George W. Bush–just like the other presidents have done–terminated all his predecessor’s (Clinton’s) U.S. Attorneys. This omission could give the impression to some that some USA’s were holdovers from Clinton–which is not the case!

  • And, could we on the Left manage to mention that these U.S. Attorneys are being replaced, without the Advice and Consent of the Senate?

    Nobody ever introduced a change of law, to avoid Senate confirmation!

  • Can someone please actually document how many AGs were asked for their resignation during each of the following changes of party:
    GWBush
    Clinton
    Reagan
    Carter
    Nixon
    Kennedy
    Eisenhower
    (And if there was a similar dismissal during the GHWBush changeover, this would be particularly telling, since this was the only example — except LBJ in 64 — where the incumbent party has retained the White House after the President has left)

    I am sure I know the answer, but it would be nice to have it confirmed.

  • Can we all please just start counterring this with talk of the “Great Purge of 2000”, “The Great Purge of ’88”, etc? It is far more effective in pointing out how ridiculous the claim is and hopefully even the nutjobs will realize that there is a reason that the years are all multiples of 4.

  • FWIW, Rush Limbaugh is still flogging this, including “smoking gun” soundbites of Janet Reno explaining why the US Attornies had to go. Poor guy hasn’t heard that the spin has moved on. (Well, he is partially deaf.)

  • slip kid no more, i haven’t verified this personally, but i’ve seen several comments on several blogs that say that bush left 2 attorneys in place.

  • sorry, slip kid, don’t know what happened there: “that say that bush left 2 attorneys in place.”

  • Bush: “U.S. attorneys and others serve at the pleasure of the President.”

    Couldn’t they come up with something that sounds less creepy?

    We are talking about US Attorneys, not concubines in a harem.

    How about “serve the American people at the discretion of the President.”? Sounds more democratic.

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