Think the presidential campaign is ugly? Look at the markets

So, I was reading the Wall Street Journal this morning, including a front-page piece about the turmoil in the global markets yesterday. As recently as a few weeks ago, I was reading that the mortgage crisis was bad, but relatively contained. It would slow the U.S. economy, but not necessarily adversely affect foreign markets.

What a difference a few weeks make. Yesterday, fearing a U.S. recession, the markets tanked in Europe and Asia. The WSJ piece noted that the “unraveling markets” would pressure the Fed, which is scheduled to meet next week, while observers expected a cut in interest rates by a half-point.

The Journal added, “A cut before then isn’t considered likely, but can’t be ruled out if markets suffer badly. A rate cut just a week ahead of the Fed’s meeting would deliver only a modest additional boost to the economy and could risk looking panicked.”

An hour after I read that, I saw this.

The Federal Reserve, confronted with a global stock sell-off fanned by increased fears of a recession, slashed a key interest rate by three-quarters of a percentage point on Tuesday and indicated further rate cuts were likely.

The surprise reduction in the federal funds rate from 4.25 down to 3.5 percent marked the biggest one-day rate move by the central bank since it cuts its discount rate by a full percentage point in December 1991, a period when the country was struggling to get out of a recession.

I guess the risk of “looking panicked” wasn’t that big a deal?

Obviously, the rate cut came before the U.S. markets even opened, presumably as a way of reassuring investors (i.e., begging them not to launch a massive sell-off). Early indications are that the move didn’t make much of a difference.

Stocks opened sharply lower on Wall Street Tuesday morning after markets fell around the world over the last two days. All the main indexes were down 3.5 percent or more. […]

Stock markets across Asia plunged even farther and faster on Tuesday than they had on Monday, as anxious sellers dumped huge numbers of shares on worries that an economic slowdown in the United States could drag down growth around the world.

The European stock markets initially followed their Asian counterparts lower, plunging at the opening and then see-sawing back and forth in frenzied trading as investors looked to the start on Wall Street for direction. After the Fed announcement, they had made up those losses and moved into positive territory, then fell back again. The rate cut was too late for Asian markets, which had already closed.

A decade after a credit crisis in Southeast Asia triggered an “Asian contagion” of stock market declines around the world, the credit crisis in the United States is now producing an “American contagion” to which no stock market seems immune.

I’m not going to pretend to be an economist; I’m clearly not. But I know that 10% market reduction is generally considered a “correction,” and we’re looking at a drop of about 20% since October — and it’s only Tuesday of what is likely to be a very difficult week.

Where the bottom is now is anyone’s guess,” said Wesley Fogel, a market strategist for HSBC.

Stay tuned.

Update: Zeitgeist raises a point that is both amsuing and important:

“Hey, Republican candidates – show of hands – who has spoken in favor of replacing Social Security with private stock market accounts? C’mon, hold ‘em high – I can’t see them!”

Hey, Republican candidates – show of hands – who has spoken in favor of replacing Social Security with private stock market accounts?

C’mon, hold ’em high – I can’t see them!

  • “As recently as a few weeks ago, I was reading that the mortgage crisis was bad, but relatively contained. It would slow the U.S. economy, but not necessarily adverse foreign markets.”

    Although the “sub-prime” mortgage market gets most of the blame, what has really happened is that the issuers of mortgages became so corrupt, and put together so many fraudulent loans, that there is a general crisis of confidence in financial institutions everywhere. The many billions in fraudulent mortgages have been sliced and diced so many ways that no one even knows who owns the worthless paper.

    To quote a former POTUS, we are in some “deep doo-doo” here.

    The comments that we will be hearing today from the son of that former POTUS will sound like whistling past the graveyard – because that’s what it will be.

    Attention, Democratic candidates for all offices everywhere: It’s the economy, Stupid.

  • zeitgeist–excellent observation. Would LOVE to see that question at the next GOP OR Dem debate.

    Now, most often politicians/administrations have no real control over the economy. But there is no doubt in my mind, in what I have heard and read, that a major cause of this drop is the fact that the rest of the world has absolutely no confidence in our executive branch’s abilities to handle this situation. None whatsoever.

  • Z, I was just thinking that as I was watching the Dow tick downward—down 338 points as of a few minutes ago, and we’re not even at mid-session yet. The Nikkei took a 700-point bath yesterday (our today; they’re on the other side of the date-line, y’know). Just think, the almighty Dow broke 14,000 back in July, and it’s at 11-7-something now.

    This might be something that even the Fed and their inter-meeting rate cut can’t stop now.

    WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

  • Zeitgeist at @1

    It’s not a problem.
    Retirees would surely have put all their money into relatively safe stable utilities equities and tangible assets like Railroads and dividend blue chip defensive stocks like P&G, J&J, and Unilever.

    No way would they be chasing returns on growth stocks and be getting soaked right now.
    You worry over nothing!

    That measly 2% return the GOP gripes about is sounding mighty good to some folk I bet.

  • So, GOP how’s that financial deregulation and free markets working out for ya?

    It doesn’t surprise me that the hexpurts said that all is well and fine. That’s what they said during the last bunch of bubbles that I remember. Real Estate 1987. Japan 1989. Far East Asia 1997. Internet Bubble 2000. Tech Bubble 2001. Real Estate 2007. With a track record like that, it’s almost like they’re PNAC or something.

  • I’m not an economist either, but I am convinced that there was an upswing in the economy in the 80’s largely because of businesses adopting Japanese style business models, resulting in better quality (especially but not limited to cars) and efficiency. I think it was crisis reaction rather than tax cuts that inspired it, but to some degree, I wouldn’t argue the cuts were irrelevant. In the 90’s it was computers, internet, games, and easy shopping (Home Shopping Network and Amazon are more effective at stimulating spending than showing an ad and hoping people will remember to buy one the next time they’re at the store). The problem now is that Bush & friends have brought us to a situation where we produce very little. So much of the economy is based on finance and low level services like restaurants and housing, that pin-in-the-butt stimuli won’t be very effective. I suspect the overseas investors are not impressed with the idea of stimulating the economy with more debt. Watch for the dollar to weaken and prices to rise, especially gas.

  • toowearyforoutrage nailed it at 5.

    You don’t have your money in high risk stocks when you’re close to retiring. Blue chips, gold, mortgages.

    Over ten years, despite the looming recession, a majority of those growth stocks will have good returns.

    I don’t agree that Social Security should be privatized, but the occasional market slide and recession aren’t the reasons why.

    I have the bulk of my retirement in a 401k now, and I’m not worried. High risk even. I’m more than ten years out from retirement, and right now shares are getting cheap.

  • The “… surprise reduction in the federal funds rate” was predicted to the second decimal point last Friday on the McLaughlin Group.

    This country has way out of control mortgage debt and consumer credit. Our baby boom is the most. spoiled. generation. ever.

    The standard wisdom when I entered the housing market ub 1970 was that you should find a house which cost twice your annual salary. There’s your laugh for the day.

    We’re fighting a trillion-and-a-half dollar war (or invasion) on credit and off budget.

    The biggest offenders regarding fiscal responsibility are the GOP.

    A former president is injecting himself into the presidential campaign big time. It’s been noted that he’s acting more like a Little League dad than a former president.

    All our Democratic representatives can come up with — to “help out” with your $400,000 mortgage and your $80,000 credit — is a check for maybe $800, and that payable as close their own re-election as possible.

    All the Democratic candidates can offer (at least filtered through the media, which none of them challenge) is a clash of personalities for our entertainment.

    Will this bad LSD trip ever end?

  • So, GOP how’s that financial deregulation and free markets working out for ya?

    I think for them, it’s doing really well — after all, the rich are getting richer and, according to the likes of O’Reilly “the poor are not destitute in America,” and Hannity assures me that the economy is phenomenal!

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go look for a second job so I can pay my mortgage and that mountain of medical debt sitting on my kitchen table.

    **bangs head on desk**

  • Here’s another side of the situation: the entire world just looked at Bush’s stimulus package and decided with their wallets that it was crap. Similarly the collapse of the dollar, whose worth is entirely based on people’s faith in it, is another referendum on Bush. He has very literally devalued our nation.

  • “toowearyforoutrage nailed it at 5. You don’t have your money in high risk stocks when you’re close to retiring. Blue chips, gold, mortgages.”

    Maybe. Never underestimate the power of the dark side—Americans’ penchant for three things: greed, greed and bucking the system to make a quick buck. ‘We’ always know better than everyone else, and our investments are always better than everyon else’s. Yes, a very good number of folks close to retirement will have their savings tucked away in low risk items. But my guess is that is not anywhere near a majority. One would also think that many who are solely or primarily invested in one company (their employer) would have changed tactics post-Enron, but that also may not be the case. I only hope that those who are near retirement and wired for greed is that they got a bit spooked prior to last week due to all the warnings re: sub-prime issues and credit crunches and decided to do the right thing and change to less risky holdings. But I would not bet on that.

  • aym, you nailed it. this is more than any one sector, more than any one problem. this is a worldwide vote of no confidence in American leadership on economic issues.

    the “Greed is Good” ethos under Reagan sadly permeated deeply into society and those 5% returns that were considered solid in my youth are now met with scorn and sharp selling off on Wall Street – they take unsustainable risks in search of the elusive 20%+ return, and they changed the culture that most investors with less money but more at stake operate in.

    cheap, easy and deregulated credit among banks, mortgage providers, card issuers, and everyone else from payday loans to department stores discouraged savings and ensured that the economy was booby trapped, waiting for the slightest downturn to kick the bottom layer out of the house of cards as ARMs ratched up faster than household income, as unproductive interest ate a larger share of family wealth. the nation as a whole followed suit, turning Clinton’s surplus budgets into staggering defecit budgets (and again, triggering large unproductive interest payments).

    an administration in total fealty to the free market, to costly warmongers, and to Norquists anti-tax cult is seen as having few viable tools to stem the bleeding and even less will to use what it has.

    we’ll be a long while getting this rebuilt in any stable, meaningful, long-term way, and imposing reality back on people will not be fun nor make whoever does it well liked. it will require telling people they really don’t need 10,000 ft homes, 20% investment returns, 4 cars, and 12 credit cards.

  • Former Dan@6 and angry mark d @ 10
    I’d be curious to see if an unregulated free market might do better than the current system where banks get propped up by the fed, mega ag businesses get subsidized and overseas advertising gets bankrolled with our tax money. No-bid contracts doled out to GOP donors.

    Before we pooh-pooh free markets, maybe it might be fun to actually TRY them.
    The mega-corps aren’t as interested in free markets as they claim.
    The one free market idea the GOP seems to love is monopolies produced by unhindered mergers.
    There is such talent for fomenting diseased policy out there.

  • Retirees would surely have put all their money into relatively safe stable utilities equities and tangible assets like Railroads and dividend blue chip defensive stocks like P&G, J&J, and Unilever.

    Yep, because every single retiree would be savvy enough to figure that out. [Snort] Add to this the fact that the “money” has gotten everywhere. If a company has bonds backed by air it’s going to feel the pinch.

    This isn’t just about mortgages and credit cards. Oh, I wish that were the extent of the problem. Right now, and for a long time, a lot of the “money” being passed back and forth around the world is worth less than the toilet paper stuck to Larry Craig’s shoe.

    The whole system has holes you could fly a 747 through and the market pros know it. That’s why the market slid when Bush announced his “plan” to save the day. That’s why the market didn’t respond when the fed cut the interest rate again. They know no amount of smoke, mirrors and bush$hit will fix this mess. Even if he can prop things up long enough to get out of office it is still going to crash, hard. Most companies would like to be around beyond 20/1/2009 so a lot of his pals in the biz will be left holding the bag.

  • Let’s not panic. The goal is to buy low and sell high. Now is not the time to sell. If we continue to “dollar cost average” via monthly contributions to our IRAs and 401(k)s, and in the long-run, everything will be fine (provided, of course, we elect a progressive for President).

    Speaking of progressives, with Senator Clinton’s chances looking pretty good, I’m now keeping an eye on Michael Bloomberg.

    Mayor Bloomberg Tackles Poverty

  • a lot of the “money” being passed back and forth around the world is worth less than the toilet paper stuck to Larry Craig’s shoe

    careful, you’ll encouage the Paulite Gold-Standard Bearers!

  • Hush zeitgeist! The ever vigilant PaulBot server trolls the ‘tubes looking for mentions of his name. When it finds one it unleashes a PaulAttack! If we’re swamped by screen-length screeds … [wags finger].

    But yes, I wondered if I came across as supporting the oldgay tandardsay. That was not my intent.

    Once people started saying “This bond is worth 100 million dollars” when they knew it is worth a tenth of that amount, the ollarday could be ackedbay by chunks of the moon and it still wouldn’t have stopped the crooks from lying.

  • I’m concerned that due to America’s “we don’t give a crap about regulating the idiocy out of our markets” attitude that the rest of the world my begin uncoupling their fates from ours. Moves away from the petrodollar have already occurred. China’s attachment to the dollar has to be killing it and they have to be looking at their options. If China and Japan slow down their purchases of US bonds to prop up our trade deficits or start selling off their US debt securities, a leg of our economy starts to collapse.

    The warning signs of this collapse have been out there for years. The Bushies did nothing. Markets regulate themselves you know. But Bernanke is pissing on an inferno with a rate cut. it won’t stimulate the home buying sector as expected since mortgage insurers look to be going belly up rocking that business sector and consumers are waiting for home prices to fall further before they buy. Oh well. The unregulated market is about to give us a “teachable moment.” I hope it doesn’t hurt too bad.

  • TAiO—just refer to “urine-colored metal stuff” and the “urine-colored-metal-stuff-peddler.”

    Unless, of course, you’re worried about screen-length screeds from the ever-vigilant ‘PissPotBot….”

  • an administration in total fealty to the free market

    Zeitgeist, I agree with everything else you’ve written in this thread — a good, cogent summary.

    But this administration has no fealty whatsoever to the free market, nor does the free market actually exist. It’s a scam cooked up by Republicans and Wall Streeters.

    What this administration has is fealty to a highly weighted, highly skewed market that is largely free of regulation and oversight to protect the general public, the non-investor class, and the non-institutional investor class.

    Where is the regulation of hedge funds? Where is the regulation and oversight of the sleight-of-hand in derivatives and securities? What happened to best practices in mortgage lending? What about the obviously fictitious ratings provided by S&P, Moody’s et al? Why did Wall Street pay out so much in bonuses to employees who gave investors such a crap returns over the past year?

    The fact that the investor class is doing so poorly right now is testament to their hubris regarding a.) the housing market, b.) too-easy credit lending (not just subprime), c.) the constant Three Card Monte game of derivatives reselling and repackaging, and d.) a mythical permanent bull market.

    The cards are stacked in their favor, and they’ve still fucked up royally.

  • Following up on bee thousand @22, the goal of the moneyed class is not free markets, it is market structure and regulation that preserve gains for business and shed risk to the public. In other words, make a lot of money on the way up, and stick the costs to the public on the way down (with a bail out or other government action).

  • Chile showed us the falicy of turning over Social Security to private/personal accounts. Many elderly don’t have that much money to invest and the fees would eat up what they do. And with the increasing demise of the working and middle classes this will only get worse.

    The markets are Not the answer. Never have been and never will. We had largely unregulated markets in the late 19th century and the main thing that kept the poverty, chaos and turbulance from being worse was the “opening of the west”. Of course, that was done at the expense of others.

    Until this nation and this world learns that the foundation for the human race is that Everyone is entitled to the basic necessities of housing, health, nutrition and can partake in the advancement of society as a whole, you will continue with this madness. In the meantime we Will have to keep learning this lesson over and over no matter the cost.

  • I’d be curious to see if an unregulated free market might do better than the current system where banks get propped up by the fed, mega ag businesses get subsidized and overseas advertising gets bankrolled with our tax money. No-bid contracts doled out to GOP donors.

    … Before we pooh-pooh free markets, maybe it might be fun to actually TRY them.

    Well, first of all, you are correct — it’s not a totally free market. Secondly, what you list are subsidies, not regulation.

    Third, given the history of even loosely regulated markets, how’s about we not even try?

    Child labor laws are there for a reason. Overtime is there for a reason. Safety rules are there for a reason: businesses have proven themselves totally incapable of doing the right thing. Profit is all that matters, and they’ll do anything to make more of it (which is rarely passed down to anyone past the CEO).

    And considering that freeing up certain regulations on banking was the source of the subprime clusterfuck, removing all of it seems clinically retarded.

    This isn’t to say businesses shouldn’t exist, nor that the government should pry into every aspect of their operations, nor that you’re stupid.

    It’s to say that history has proven that free market theories work better in issue papers and newspaper columns than in reality.

  • businesses have proven themselves totally incapable of doing the right thing. Profit is all that matters, and they’ll do anything to make more of it (which is rarely passed down to anyone past the CEO).

    Businesses aren’t SUPPOSED to do the “right” thing – they’re supposed to do the profitable thing. A business has one and ONLY ONE driving motivation – make as much money as possible for the owner/shareholders.

    That’s why regulation is needed – to force all businesses to do the “right” thing when the “wrong” thing is the more profitable one to do. Removing regulation causes businesses to take decisions that are bad for the country/society/the economy/etc. but good for that business overall in at least the short term.

    Paying people pennies per hour to sew shoes and employing children as young as 8 to do dangerous work would be great for the bottom line and give us a country we don’t want to live in. Which is why people fought for regulations in the first place.

    I mean, I can wish for Nike to pay all their workers a living wage, but that doesn’t mean it’ll happen. But I CAN work to force them to pay a living wage to people in this country with my votes. And if I had my druthers I’d tarriff the crud out of any imports that come from countries that don’t have strongly enforced minimum wage and child labor laws.

  • And why wouldn’t Bush even consider regulating the subprime mess? Yes, Republican free-market gospel is one reason, but wasn’t it also because he need a “roaring” economy, a happy face to slap on the giant sucking economic chest wound that is Iraq? Think about it. How can anyone have confidence in a country that’s flushing $20 billion a month down the toilet?

  • NonyNony–
    Excellent points. All stuff I was thinking, but that you expressed quite well (and probably better than I could).

  • The Fed can dance and leap around the fire and shout and shriek while they rattle the bones and bang the drums, and they’re still nothing more than a witch doctor trying to avoid having his “voodoo economics” shown up for the Republican bullshit they are.

    If this has to happen, better in 2008. That way the blame gets put on the morons who committed the crimes. And there will then be public support for reigning in Wall Street and the mega-corporations, and maybe sending some of these pinstriped pimps to jail for their crimes.

    Once again, the Democrats will have to clean up the Republican puke, and the Republicans will hate them forever for another 70 years for pulling their fat asses out of the oven.

  • Zeitgeist (#13): you nailed it, sir. Dead-on accurate. (trying not to use terms that attract the BotPauls)

  • Do we really have to do anything? Isn’t it if there are good policies in place, there will be bumps, but the market will take care of it? Because don’t we have the fiscal conservative ideals already in place?

    Also I noticed NO narrative from politicians – if we just stop spending BILLIONS every month in Iraq we could spend on what’s needed at home. Or is this off the table?

    Also, if you’re going to read a paper that relates to unbiased economic assessment (in the future anyway now that Murdoch owns WSJ and Dow Jones) might I suggest the Financial Times (FT.com) or the pink paper? It is still independent – so far.

    The other option is the Economist for indepth articles.

  • Hey Tom Cleaver

    If Zeitgeist nailed it in #13, and Z says I nailed in it #11, haven’t I nailed for you by transitivity?

    AYM

  • … except that the interest rate drop wasn’t a surprise. It’s been heavily bet on by the market that there would be a rate drop of that amount for a couple of weeks now. The only ‘surprising’ thing about it was the timing– it was expected to be announced after the regular Fed meeting at the end of January.

  • It seems to me that if our government really wanted to stimulate the ecconomy the powers that be would do everything possible to revoke the new bankruptcy bill. Thanks to that bill, the credit card interest rates are sky high, and I am guessing that a lot of consumers have stopped spending. I stopped using them a couple of years ago because of the usurious terms. I know that a lot of minimum payments have doubled, but true to form, none of our elected representatives are talking about that ingredient in our current economic soup. They are all bought and paid for by the banks and credit card companies.

  • Todays’ rate cut is a band aid on a big problem.

    I keep hearing how this is the “fault” of people borrowing and not paying back. Hey, let’s face it, we have been told that “housing” is an investment, and everyone knows that smart businesses are supposed to dump bad investments and cut their loses. So smart people who find themselves upside down on a home loan are going to walk away from these homes and give them back to the bank. That’s just good business.

    It’s the banks that lied to the markets and other investors, not the home buyers.

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