This Week in God

First up from the God machine this week is an eyebrow-raising column about why Americans couldn’t possibly vote for a non-believer as president.

The very idea is remarkably remote. Gallup did a poll last year and found that Americans would sooner vote for anyone other than an atheist. But far-right commentator Michael Medved devoted his weekly column to explaining why Americans are right about this, and should only consider monotheists for the presidency. To elect a non-believer to a secular office to lead a secular executive branch, Medved said, would be “bad for the country.”

After arguing that the president is the de facto head of an informal “Church of America,” and asking how a non-believer could reasonably be expected to issue a Thanksgiving proclamation, Medved argues that an atheist couldn’t beat fundamentalist Islamic terrorists.

On one level, at least, the ongoing war on terror represents a furious battle of ideas and we face devastating handicaps if we attempt to beat something with nothing. Modern secularism rejects the notion that human beings feel a deep-seated, unquenchable craving for making connections with Godliness, in its various definitions and manifestations. For Osama bin Laden and other jihadist preachers, Islam understands that yearning but “infidel” America does not.

Our enemies insist that God plays the central role in the current war and that they affirm and defend him, while we reject and ignore him. The proper response to such assertions involves the citation of our religious traditions and commitments, and the credible argument that embrace of modernity, tolerance and democracy need not lead to godless materialism. In this context, an atheist president conforms to the most hostile anti-America stereotypes of Islamic fanatics and makes it that much harder to appeal to Muslim moderates whose cooperation (or at least neutrality) we very much need. The charge that our battle amounts to a “war against Islam” seems more persuasive when an openly identified non-believer leads our side — after all, President Atheist says he believes in nothing, so it’s easy to assume that he leads a war against belief itself. A conventional adherent of Judeo-Christian faith can, on the other hand, make the case that our fight constitutes of an effort to defend our own way of life, not a war to suppress some alternative — and that way of life includes a specific sort of free-wheeling, open-minded religiosity that has blessed this nation and could also bless the nations of the Middle East.

This is probably the dumbest thing I’ve seen in print in quite some time.

The argument is so odd, I’ve read it several times and still can’t quite figure out what Medved believes. It’s preferable to placate terrorists with a fundamentalist Christian president? Atheists fill the role of waging a “war against Islam” better than theists? Believers can sell counter-terrorism as a fight for self-interest, while non-believers can’t?

I just don’t have any idea what Medved is talking about. Or, just as likely, Medved doesn’t have any idea what Medved is talking about.

Also from the God Machine this week, TV preacher Pat Robertson is making news again:

[Tuesday’s] “700 Club” featured Bernard Lewis discussing what he calls the “clash” of civilization between Christianity and Islam, and host Pat Robertson added his own commentary afterwards, repeating his claim that “Islam is not a religion” but “a political system bent on world domination.” He warned viewers that “what they’re going to do to you will be more horrible than anything you can imagine.”

Added Robertson, “To say, ‘Well, it’s a religion and you should leave religion alone,’ that’s just not the way it works.”

And finally, just as a reminder, this should be a really interesting event tomorrow night.

CNN will serve as the exclusive broadcaster of a presidential candidate forum on faith, values and other current issues at Messiah College near Harrisburg, Penn., on Sunday, April 13, at 8 p.m. (ET) CNN Election Center anchor Campbell Brown and Newsweek editor and Newsweek.com election anchor Jon Meacham will moderate what is being billed as The Compassion Forum, which will take place nine days before the Pennsylvania primary.

Organized and sponsored by Faith in Public Life, the 90-minute forum will consist of wide-ranging and probing discussions of policies related to pressing moral issues that are bridging ideological divides now more than ever, including poverty, global AIDS, climate change and human rights. It will feature Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on the same stage to talk about these topics as each candidate sits down individually with the moderators. The program will also stream live at www.CNN.com.

John McCain was invited to join the discussion alongside his Democratic rivals, but ignored the invitation.

United States Constitution, Article VI, section 3:

…”[N]o religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

Why does Michael Medved hate the constitution?

  • Michael Medved is a walking example of the truism that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. In his case though, it’s probably more ignorance than memory failure. Crusade? What’s a crusade?

  • This is probably the dumbest thing I’ve seen in print in quite some time.

    Funny. I find myself saying that everytime Medved publishes something. Maybe he should go back to reviewing movies. His idiocy was fairly pedestrian in that forum.

  • Could Medved tell us which of Jesus’ teachings calls for taking up arms to defend the Christian way of life?

  • I think Medved is trying to say that we non believers cannot fully appreciate how crazy religious zealots can actually be.

    I’d like to assure him that while we can’t get inside their heads (shudder!), we can fully and adequately assess their degree of depravity from their actions.

  • So please tell me, Pat Robertson, then what is this notion of Dommionionism you’re pushing?

  • “President Atheist says he believes in nothing, so it’s easy to assume that he leads a war against belief itself.”

    I have never known any atheist, myself included, who tried to convert others, i.e., to lead a war against belief itself.

    As a former seminarian, I’m happy I’m no longer plagued by “Santa Claus for grownups”, but so long as the beliefs of others do no harm they’re of no concern to met. Unfortunately, religious beliefs have probably done more harm, down through history, than most religious people are aware of or care about. That does bother me.

  • I always wonder whether Robertson believes the bullshit that constantly spews from his mouth. He seems so sincere in his description of Islam, yet everything he said is also a picture-perfect description of his own career.

  • “an atheist couldn’t beat fundamentalist Islamic terrorists.”

    Bush has had 7 years to show that men-creating-god-in-the-image-of-man monotheists are not much up to the task either.

  • So let’s put Robertson and Medved in the ring with a couple of Islamic fundamentalists and let them duke it out. They want their war, they can have it.

  • Chowderville #1:

    Why does Michael Medved hate the Constitution?

    We still have one? I thought it vanished into the septic system underneath the White House somewhere back in 2001.

  • Organized and sponsored by Faith in Public Life, the 90-minute forum will consist of wide-ranging and probing discussions of policies related to pressing moral issues that are bridging ideological divides […]

    Funny… Those bridges must only be visible to the believers, because all *I* can see are ideological cleavers and wedges which are being continuously pounded into the structure of our society (by people like Medved, among others).

    Does anyone know anything about the moderators (ie how “moderate” they are. Or aren’t)? Are they likely to turn the forum into a Dem BBQ, now that McSame has failed to respond to the invite and won’t be there to pander to? Will they really ask questions about hunger and AIDS and climate crisis (and what it means, long term), or will the questions be more about Rev. Wright and those cultist breakfast prayers Hillary attends?

    I don’t watch TV and don’t plan to watch this, either, so hope someone here will, and will report on it on Monday.

  • “Michael Medved is a walking example of the truism that those who forget history…” have probably forgotten a shitload of other stuff, too.
    If they ever really knew it in the first place.

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    If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

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    If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

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    If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. 🙂

    Best regards

    jacksmith…

    p.s. You Might Be An Idiot!

    If you don’t know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering…

    You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. 🙂

    Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on…

  • DON’T BE DUPED !!!

    Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

    But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

    I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

    You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

    Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

    As much as 30% of Obama’s primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

    Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

    If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

    The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

    I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton’s offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama’s place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history.

    The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

    Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

    “This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

    Sincerely

    jacksmith…

  • Michael Medved, proving once again the lie in the ancient anti-Semitic slur that all Jews are really smart. This guy just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. Like his buddy Horowitz, he started on the left and migrated right in search of an audience dumb enough to buy his b.s. – sort of like Dennis Miller and his “comedy.”

  • Wow, jacksmith – I’ve never seen such a perfect delusion laid out like that. Thanks for demonstrating that the American public miseducation system doesn’t include logic in its curriculum, since you obviously wouldn’t know that word if you tripped over it.

    Further proof in this thread that a good one-word synonym for “Clinton supporter” is “moron.” The stink of your collective desperation is so powerful it even manages to digitize itself and download with your post.

  • Congratulations jacksmith you figured out how to copy and paste.

    Ya know if these clowns has a milligram of common sense they would realize Islam is a reflection Christianity. One has Allah, the Koran, and the Taliban, the other has Jesus, the Bible, and the Republican Party.

  • That Medved article had my oxymoron meter so pegged it matched the delusion meter that was hooked to the same article. “…the citation of our religious traditions and commitments, and the credible argument that embrace of modernity, tolerance and democracy need not lead to godless materialism.” Excuse me? Since when have the religious right in this country embraced modernity and tolerance? Certainly the fundies have embraced materialism as much as most other Americans, but they haven’t shown themselves to be very big on democracy, either. I would go so far as to argue that an embrace of modernity and tolerance does, indeed, lead to godlessness, or at least not the sort of godliness practiced by the religious right.

    And this one made my eyes bug out: …[Our] way of life includes a specific sort of free-wheeling, open-minded religiosity that has blessed this nation… That one left me speechless, and those of you who know me know how rare that is.

  • While I concur with the sentiment that this article is pure nonsense, the main thrust is consistent with much of religious “thought” when one sect discusses another, or any discuss atheism. Specifically, and in keeping with the themes of the article:

    1) The only thing that the US and Iran agree upon (sometimes nearly alone in the UN) concern the preservation of religious inspired bigotry, misogyny and homophobia.

    2) The religious fear atheism more than any particular sect. It might very well be true that having America lead by one who professes that no superstitious beliefs cloud his decision-making would be considered more of an affront to Islam. We would indeed be more of a great satan.

  • What religions fear most are people who won’t play their game. People such as our Founding Fathers (and Mothers) who, uniquely, separated state from church. Who, uniquely, did render unto Caesar. Who, uniquely, declined the English tea Kool-Aid.

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