This Week in God

First up from The God Machine this week is an interesting trend in rates of religiosity in the United States, as described by Ross Douthat in a new Atlantic article.

In the United States, the Bush era has summoned up — arguably for the first time in this country’s history — a mass secularism that looks to Europe and sees a model for America to follow. […]

America’s secular turn actually began in the 1990s, though it wasn’t until 2002 that two Berkeley sociologists first noticed it. In a paper in the American Sociological Review, Michael Hout and Claude S. Fischer announced the startling fact that the percentage of Americans who said they had “no religious preference” had doubled in less than 10 years, rising from 7 percent to 14 percent of the population.

This unexpected spike wasn’t the result of growing atheism, Hout and Fischer argued; rather, more Americans were distancing themselves from organized religion as “a symbolic statement” against the religious right. If the association of religiosity with political conservatism continued to gain strength, the sociologists suggested, “then liberals’ alienation from organized religion [might] become, as it has in many other nations, institutionalized.” (emphasis added)

I haven’t reviewed the Hout/Fischer report in any real detail, but a large jump in the rates of those who claim no religious preference is rather unusual, particularly in light of claims, such as those from the president, that we’re in the midst of a “Third Awakening” of religious devotion in the United States.

I suspect there are a variety of explanations for the incremental increase. Perhaps it’s geo-political — with America’s enemies overseas being religious extremists, maybe more people are becoming secular. Perhaps the increased openness on the part of non-believers (i.e., best-selling books from Harris, Dawkins, and Hitchens) makes people more comfortable in acknowledging spiritual doubts.

But if the Hout/Fischer analysis is right, and more people are turning away from organized religion because they’re just so repulsed by the Dobson/Robertson crowd, well, that’s just hilarious.

Also this week, the Christian Defense Coalition, a small-time religious-right group, announced its intentions this week to lead a “historic Christian prayer delegation” — to Baghdad.

The Coalition is working closely with the Iraqi Embassy in Washington, D.C. to arrange a trip to Baghdad this summer to pray for the safety of our troops, the Iraqi people and an end to sectarian violence and terrorism.

In a letter hand delivered to Iraqi Prime Minister al-Maliki, the group says, “What happens in the next few months will have a profound impact on the future course of Iraq, the United States, and the entire region. In response to this critical hour, it is essential that we urgently humble ourselves and look to God for His sovereign grace, blessing and wisdom in all that we do.”

In its letter to Maliki, the Christian Defense Coalition said about 20 Christian leaders would make the trip, at no cost to Iraqis. All the CDC requested from the Iraqi government is “a secure location in Baghdad.”

This seems to have “bad idea” written all over it.

Taking their Christianity into Muslim territory doesn’t seem much like humbling themselves. Arrogance and ignorance is what it sounds like.

I thought they believed God was everywhere. As if the creator of the universe cares whether they are in Baghad or Maricopa Ga. Message to rightwing Christians: Go pray in a closet as Jesus recommended.

I think there is a huge silent minority of Americans who haven’t beliefed in religion for many years, but just haven’t said anything. Now if people would just stop believing in smoking.

  • “In its letter to Maliki, the Christian Defense Coalition said about 20 Christian leaders would make the trip, at no cost to Iraqis. All the CDC requested from the Iraqi government is “a secure location in Baghdad.””

    Good luck with that. Expect another waste of man and firepower protecting these idiots.

  • In its letter to Maliki, the Christian Defense Coalition said about 20 Christian leaders would make the trip, at no cost to Iraqis. All the CDC requested from the Iraqi government is “a secure location in Baghdad.”

    Why can’t they just pray for a ‘secure location in Baghdad’? Seems easy enough to me.

  • Shit, sorry to post again.

    I’m not surprised about the revulsion of James “Turn the other cheek so I can smack it too” Dobson and other scum acting as religious leaders. The cure for religious demagoguery is religious demagoguery. The more power these morons get removes the veneer of virtue and piousness to expose the power hungry jackals they are.

  • I think they’ve probably got it about right with the doubling. My mother-in-law I think has been turning away from Christian religion recently because of that, providing us with new before-dinner prayers that include African and Jewish references and no longer wearing crosses. My parents have become Unitarians, and I think this is in part due to the sense that even the traditional mainstream churches in Florida, where they’ve retired, have too many people in them who like to talk far-right politics. Religion has taken on a political sheen.

    Of course, the fact that there have been a number of terrific best-selling books against religion in the last few years — something we haven’t seen a a couple hundred years — may also be bringing more people away from organized religion.

    But does this mean religion is dying out?

    No.

    This is a pushback by a small group of liberals, but the overwhelming majority of Americans believe in organized religion and according to some research I’ve been doing, these people will continue to dominate the scene for the next 30-odd years.

  • So the Christian Defense Coalition is going to Baghdad to pray to their invisible guy in the sky for an end to sectarian violence and terrorism.

    Are they going to pray to the same invisible guy in the sky that George W. went to for advice before invading iraq?

    Well, I hope they have better connections with their invisible guy in the sky than George had with his. We all know how that turned out when W. took the advice of HIS invisible guy in the sky.

  • Maybe we should call it the Christian Nonsense Coalition.

    As a person who was raised RC and still attends Mass from time to time I always have to laugh at the way the Talevan can accuse Catholics of being devil worshipping goat molesters and then exhibit behaviour that makes the wierdest bit of superstitious crap in the RC seem like rational behaviour. What’s the logic here? They have to go to Iraq to pray so God will know they’re praying about the people in this country called Iraq and not another one? I guess their god is rather stupid.

    Or, could it be yet another bit of showboating from these freaks? I will grant that they’re brave to go to Iraq (though if they think there’s a “secure place” they’re dumber than their god) but I suspect that if Iraq calms down, even for a half hour, it will be their prayers that did the trick. See? If the soldiers had just dropped their weapons and prayed we could have been done ages ago. Cretins. I hope Maliki tells them to fuck off.

  • Speaking from my own perspective, I’ve become much less tolerant of religiosity of late. When my wife and I got married 8 years ago, we did in an epsicopal church, partly as a concession to her family (I’m a lapsed Catholic/nonbeliever). If I had it to do today, I’d refuse to have any religious ceremony, even in a relatively sane church like that of the episcopalians.

    Seeing the behavior of the christian right over the past seven years has led me to think one can’t give any quarter to those people.

    I think Catherine is probably right that religion is so deeply rooted in the country as a whole that there’s no getting rid of it in the short to medium turn. I do hope, however, that these past seven years will come to represent a high-water mark for this sort of crap. Bush, Dobson, Falwell and the rest may eventually do us a favor by having been such a bunch of asshats, as they’ll discredit their side for a generation or more.

  • Why can’t they just pray for a ’secure location in Baghdad’? — JoeW, @3,

    Exactly *so*; the perfect solution. OTOH… I don’t think I’d mind if the entire Talebangelical leadership (Dobson, Robertson and their like) did it in the streets of Baghdad, protected by just their faith and crosses… Would clear the air *here*, somewhat.

  • Arrogance and ignorance is what it sounds like. — Dale

    To me it sounds like the Crusades.

  • Bad Idea??? Aren’t they still praying for the second coming which means “Armageddon “. How will they respond to “there is no god but Allah”…or “in the name of Jesus…”. “Who???” “You mean Muhammad ?”

    Pray at home like everybody else and quit trying to make a spectacle of your faith…we all know how holy you are.

  • I don’t know. It sounds like a good idea to me. A few less bible thumping hipocrites in the world?

  • I suspect that prayer might help the pray-er feel good or important or something semi-positive in the short term. Sort of like playing a game of Solitaire when you can’t get anything productive done.

  • why don’t they pray that the evil bush/cheney admin stop using our fine men and women in uniform as fodder for oil expansion/profits!

  • ‘Taking their Christianity into Muslim territory doesn’t seem much like humbling themselves. Arrogance and ignorance is what it sounds like.’

    great comment.

    furthermore, what are these self-proclaimed ‘chrisitian leaders’ going to say when, after their prayer vigil, the violence continues? are they going to play the falwell blame game?

  • Not addressing the topics at hand directly but definitely related to religion…I really enjoyed this weeks City Arts and Lectures program on KQED radio, (San Francisco) which was broadcast today and it will be replayed on Tuesday at 20:00 PST.

    Christopher Hitchens talks about his new book but mostly just talks about religion which he slices, dices, mulches, composts and then buries. It’s a great hour with lots of humor and, (for this dyed in the wool atheist, irrefutable truth. Hitchens has made me grind my teeth plenty of times but today the hour flew by and I was wishing for a second.

    They don’t have an archive for the lectures so you have to catch them when they come on. Listen online at http://www.kqed.org/

    City Arts & Lectures
    Hear celebrated writers, artists and thinkers address contemporary ideas and values, often discussing the creative process. Please note: tapes or transcripts are not available.

    Coming up
    Tue, Jun 26, 2007 — 8:00 PM

    Author, Journalist and Literary Critic Christopher Hitchens
    The speaker is author, journalist and literary critic Christopher Hitchens, one of the most compelling and controversial voices of modern journalism. A staunch supporter of intellect over opinions and principles over politics, he writes with scope and great flair. Hitchens is a master of argument, dialectical confrontation and general troublemaking. As the longtime Washington editor for Harper’s Magazine, contributing editor to Vanity Fair, and critic-at-large for several publications in Great Britain including the New Left Review, Hitchens contributes unpredictable and formidable analysis to international debates. His most recent book, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, makes the case for religion as a malignant force. Hitchens appears in conversation with Alan Jones, dean of Grace Cathedral.

  • I think this is more about economics than anything else. There’s a general tendency across cultures for people to become more secular as they become more financially secure. I think an under-reported aspect of the religious right is how dominated it is by people who’ve been the big economic losers of the last 30 years, i.e. whites with less than a college education. These people have had a dramatic decline in security during this time, which has no parallel in secular Europe with its welfare states. Similarly, I think you’ll find that the religious rejectionists who dislike the religious right are mostly well-off professionals, who still have some access to economic security (health insurance, 401k plans, high-demand skills, etc.). I think Marx was largely right on this point.

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