This Week in God

First up from The God Machine this week is a disconcerting story out of Base Speicher in Tikrit, Iraq, where a U.S. soldier has found that his religious liberty is being squelched by his superior officers.

A soldier in Iraq whose superior prevented him from holding a meeting for atheists and other non-Christians is suing the Defense Department, claiming it violated his right to religious freedom.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Kansas City, Kan., alleges a pattern of practices that discriminate against non-Christians in the military…. According to the filing, Spec. Jeremy Hall, a soldier assigned to Fort Riley’s 97th Military Police Battalion, received permission to distribute fliers around his base in Iraq for a meeting of atheists and other non-Christians.

When he tried to convene the meeting, Hall claims, [Maj. Paul Welborne] stepped in, threatening to file military charges against Hall and block his reenlistment.

It gets worse. Apparently, after Hall met with fellow non-believers on the base, Major Welborne allegedly disrupted the gathering, blasted the attendees, and threatened to bring an action against Hall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

As my friends at AU put it, “Americans have different views on the Iraq War, but I think most people would agree that the men and women serving there are bravely putting their lives on the line and deserve the full protection of the Constitution. They should be able to organize and attend religious or non-religious meetings without harassment from higher-ups.”

Sounds like a no-brainer.

Other items from the God Machine this week:

* AFP reported that the pope doesn’t want to talk to the Bush administration right now: “Pope Benedict XVI refused to meet US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in August, saying he was on holiday, an Italian newspaper reported Wednesday. Rice ‘made it known to the Vatican that she absolutely had to meet the pope’ to boost her diplomatic ‘credit’ ahead of a trip to the Middle East, the Corriere della Sera daily reported without citing its sources…. It said the reply ‘illustrated the divergence of view’ between the Vatican and the White House about the ‘initiatives of the Bush administration in the Middle East.'”

* Airport officials in Indianapolis are considering a proposal to place special sinks for Muslims in airport bathrooms. The Rev. Jerry Hillenburg, a prominent Baptist pastor in the city who lost a son serving in Iraq, is organizing opposition to the plan. In a letter to the mayor, Hillenburg said he and his supporters “oppose the fraternization with our open enemies during a time of war.”

* Time magazine has a painful report on a courtroom drama in St. George, Utah, involving a rape trial. What makes the case unusual is that the accused is Warren Jeffs, the 51-year-old prophet of the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints, who is being tried as an accomplice to rape for commanding two teenaged cousins to get married.

* The U.S. State Department hopes to help win hearts and minds in the Muslim world by utilizing a “Digital Outreach Team” — a team of Arabic, Farsi, and Urdu speakers who post to prominent online discussion groups with a pro-Western perspective. In every instance, there is full disclosure — participants know that the team is paid by the State Department. “Brent E. Blaschke, the project director, said the idea was to reach ‘swing voters,’ whom he described as the silent majority of Muslims who might sympathize with Al Qaeda yet be open to information about United States government policy and American values.”

..information about United States government policy and American values. in Arabic, Farsi, and Urdu. Sounds very interesting. Any chance of a version in English?

  • The Bush WH has done things before showing their lack of respect for the Pope- showing up late to meet him, refusing to call him “Your Holiness,” I think, too. No surprise if he picked up on it, and wouldn’t be a surprise if he considered meeting them worth a lot less because of it.

    swanpoliticsblog.blogspot.com

  • In times of war this soldier should rethink his beliefs. The old saying, If you believe in God and there is none, no big deal. If you don’t believe in God and there is one, you’re in deep do-do.

  • after Hall met with fellow non-believers on the base, Major Welborne allegedly disrupted the gathering, blasted the attendees, and threatened to bring an action against Hall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

    Another day in the 21st century Crusader Kingdom. Time to put the pagans to the sword if they won’t accept the dominion of Christ, and that includes any traitorous unbelievers in our own ranks.

    a team of Arabic, Farsi, and Urdu speakers who post to prominent online discussion groups with a pro-Western perspective.

    So they’re going to hire trolls to patrol muslims’ online gathering spots. Gee, I wonder where that idea came from? It couldn’t be an extension of an ongoing program already in place over here, could it?

    In every instance, there is full disclosure — participants know that the team is paid by the State Department.

    Uh huh. Yeah, I’m sure they’ll be scrupulous about doing that.

    [/tinfoil hat]

    Sorry, I’m feeling grouchy today.

  • So they’re in Iraq trying to quell sectarian hatred in Iraq… and meet with a gentler version of it in their commanding officers.
    What a moral booster! What an excellent example to to Iraqis.
    “Do as we say, not as we do” is America’s new motto under Bush.

  • Ah, another Pascal’s Wager proponent in Lendmeadime. This person apparently doesn’t know the logical fallacies of this approach, including the definition of “god”, the interpretation of said “god’s” word, and the fact that most of the world has a different take on “god” and “god’s” word.

    IMHO, the safest bet in a wager like that is that there is no god, and if it turns out there is, said god will be understanding enough to realize why the avowed athiest or agnostic chose that path.

  • IMHO, the safest bet in a wager like that is that there is no god, and if it turns out there is, said god will be understanding enough to realize why the avowed athiest or agnostic chose that path.

    If there exists a God requiring us to follow one of those transparent frauds who pose as religious leaders these days, he’s such a sadist that we’re screwed no matter what.

    Sorry, still grouchy.

  • Good lord! So there are atheists in foxholes after all. Who would have thunk it?

    lendmeadime: since there is nothing in our earthly experience to suggest the existence of the supernatural, don’t you think a god who would punish non believers is being unreasonable and petty, not worthy of the god whom billions of people around the world worship?

  • So the military wants to squelch meetings of atheists. Why? Because if the word spreads among the soldiers that Christianity is a false religion just like Islam, then there isn’t very much reason left to hate Muslims. They’re just victims of a different delusion, and God really isn’t on our side.

    The military’s approach is remarkably similar to Rev. Hillenberg’s. We can’t let the idea get out that Muslims are anything but our mortal enemies.

    By the way, if you haven’t heard the lyrics to Dylan’s “With God On Our Side” recently, I recommend them. They’re relevant to today.

    http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/withgod.html

  • If there is a god I have lived a good life, if there isn’t a god I still have lived a good life. So many people have faith through fear of punishment and this is not love.

    Some Christians are so prejudiced against other religions that they will deny them the same rights they would give themselves. The anger of many Christians and the stern condemnation of non believers is exactly what they will get in return. Thank God America has religious freedom for all and freedom from religion for all. Military should be sued for this type of blatant bigotry and prejudice. They swore to defend the constitution not their particular religion. Maj Wellborne should be thrown out of the military for failure to honor is oath to defend the constitutional rights of soldiers. Another example where a Christian thinks he is above the law or that the law doesn’t apply to him because he obeys a higher law. Then throw him out without any rights of our constitution and let this higher law take care of him. See? Always cherrypicking the constitution and religion to get their way. This is hypocrisy pure and simple.

  • Thanks, bjobotts. That’s very close to the epitaph I want at my memorial.

    “He loved greatly; he was loved greatly. Nothing else matters.”

    The god of the old testament is abhorrent, and since xtians believe that Jesus is that self-same god, that makes him abhorrent. Ditto for Islam’s Allah. None are worthy of respect, let alone deification and worship. If any religion has even come close to describing deity (if such a thing exists), I think the Taoists have come closest with their indifferent Tao.

  • Normally, I’d just go with my everyday opinion of Welborne, and chalk it up to his being a jackbooted fundie. But given that the carried belief amongst Islamic extremists on boths sides of the aisle—Sunni and Shia—that declared atheists be put to death, I think that some level of “humble subtlety” on Spec. Hall’s part could well be in order. After all—why hang a “ME FIRST” sign on that big target he’s wearing around everywhere?

  • Steve, if it’s for religous freedon ( or political freedom or any other kind of freedom ), I’ll be glad to wear your sign of “ME FIRST“. I will not stand by while the Nazis take the protestants, the jews, and the catholics.

    Maybe it’s the gay in me, but I find any form of discrimination beyond despicable and abhorrent.

  • “In times of war this soldier should rethink his beliefs. The old saying, If you believe in God and there is none, no big deal. If you don’t believe in God and there is one, you’re in deep do-do.”

    The point is not the soldier’s beliefs; the point is that when other soldiers get to assemble based on their beliefs, he should too. Why is it so hard for some religious people to understand that they benefit from the same freedom of religion that they try to deny to others? Why do they so readily get totalitarian and Inquisition-y on others, when they would have fits if such was done to them? Think, people!

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