This Week in God

First up from the God Machine this week is an interesting trend pointing to a rise in irreligion for the last several decades. Matt Yglesias, whose post features a nice chart, explained:

One hears from a lot of secular people worries that the country is plunging over the edge into theocracy. At the same time, the press often seems to feel that the country is experiencing a massive religious revival that it needs to cover by hiring new “religion” correspondents. The truth, as shown in the above chart based on National Election Survey data, is more like the reverse — more people than ever say “other” or “none” when asked about their religious beliefs.

It’s this, rather than an intensification in fervor, that’s made it possible to mobilize conservative Christianity for political purposes. Back in 1960 there were so few avowedly irreligious people out there that trying to rally opposition to the perils of secularism was a non-starter.

The raw data is online here, but there’s a definite trend. Looking back over the last six decades, the NES data shows the percentage of Americans who identify themselves as “Protestant” has gone from the low-70s to the mid-50s; the numbers for Catholics and Jews have remained largely the same; and the number for those who profess no religious affiliation has more than tripled.

To be sure, even those who said “none” in response to the religious question aren’t necessarily non-believers; those respondents just may not feel comfortable affiliating with a specific denomination or tradition. In this sense, it may not be a meaningful rise for atheists, so much as non-conformists.

That said, it’s interesting to speculate about the overall trend. Are Americans rebelling against the theological excesses of Christian conservatives? In a post-9/11 environment, are we seeing an uptick in the number of people who want to disassociate themselves from organized religions?

Other items from the God Machine this week:

* On Thursday, priests brawled at the alleged Bethlehem birthplace of Jesus: “Seven people were injured on Thursday when Greek Orthodox and Armenian priests came to blows in a dispute over how to clean the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem. Following the Christmas celebrations, Greek Orthodox priests set up ladders to clean the walls and ceilings of their part of the church, which is built over the site where Jesus Christ is believed to have been born. But the ladders encroached on space controlled by Armenian priests, according to photographers who said angry words ensued and blows quickly followed. For a quarter of an hour bearded and robed priests laid into each other with fists, brooms and iron rods while the photographers who had come to take pictures of the annual cleaning ceremony recorded the whole event. A dozen unarmed Palestinian policemen were sent to try to separate the priests, but two of them were also injured in the unholy melee.” One gets the sense that some people aren’t filled with the holiday spirit.

* Nine out of 10 U.S. households already have a Bible. So, what are publishers to do to sell more copies? Get creative: “You can’t update the content, or get the author on Oprah. But you can make the look sizzle. If pink and shiny sells a purse, why not a psalm? In the conference room they call the Bible Bunker, executives of Bible publisher Zondervan pore over fabric swatches. They watch PowerPoints on the latest in appliances and accessories, noting color trends. They caress bold new patterns in embossed faux leather. ‘People ask, ‘How do you get excited working on one darn book?’ ‘ says Scott Bolinder, an executive vice president. ‘Yet there’s probably no place you can be more imaginative — and more strategic.'”

* And finally, Reeves, Louisiana, a small town in the southwest corner of the state, is filled with some pretty religious folks. So, locals have been less than pleased that all of their local phone numbers begin with 666, a number which some Christians consider the “mark of the beast.” Reeves Mayor Scott Walker worked with the phone company, and the state Public Service Commission, among others, to make the change. Starting next week, their numbers will start with 749, and the community couldn’t be happier about it. “This boils down to, this is a very, very religious community,” Walker said.

So the people in Reeves (my last name, incidentally) think the Antichrist might be one of them? Easy solution: change the phone prefix. I recall over thirty years ago the religious nuts were convinced that Christ was coming any day because the license numbers in Jerusalem all began with 666.

I live in Louisiana, too, and it is not at all unusual to hear people flinch whenever the number 666 comes up. The Proctor and Gamble Co. has a facility in Alexandria and more than once people around there have queried as to whether or not the company logo really does have the number 666 in it.

Bizarro.

  • WWJB[uy]?!

    You know, I’m probably the least religious Christian on the planet but the idea of jazzing up the cover of the Bible to improve its market share makes my skin crawl.

    If they want to boost sales all they have to do is stick in some full colour and accurate illustrations of the juicier bits. Adam & Eve before the apple (no cheating with strategically placed bushes and arms), Lot and his daughters, the entire Song of Solomon. Or the Book of John of Ptamos’ [sic?] Mushroom Trip for the Fire n’ Brimstone crowd.

  • How to sell more bibles? Easy—just keep “revising” the content. A few words here and there, every year; changing out a particular word with a synonym that can be defined in a slightly different context—King James did it, so why not today’s Vangees and Fundies? It’s not as if they’re entertaining variety in the interpretation, y’know….

  • The main post points to fear as the primary motivator getting conservative Christians to the polls – fear of being overrun with atheists and non-believers. That scene in the awful Jimmy Stewart movie, Fool’s Parade, when the hit man comes aboard and announces he is there to get the atheists and communists off the train.

    The more telling tidbit is your item on Bethlehem – it puts a whole new spin on the idea of fighting for Jesus. -Kevo

  • I was poking through some statistics a while back — I think I had found myself wondering how many mormons there are in the country these days — and happened to notice then that atheism seems to be one of the fastest growing “religions” in the country. I couldn’t say with any confidence whether that means there are actually more people forsaking superstition in favor of reason, or whether people are just becoming more comfortable about coming right out and saying it. But either way, I guess it’s a promising sign.

  • Seems to me polls have shown the number of nonbelievers to be about 3% in this country, that 97% believe in a traditional god or some kind of higher power. I think the trend is toward other forms of spirituality, not atheism.

    It’s always struck me as odd that most people are still worshipping a god created by people living 2000-3000 years ago, who were pretty primitive by today’s standards. Religion hasn’t kept up with our knowledge of science and the cosmos. God hasn’t seemed to evolve much, at least in the organized religions, notwithstanding the contrast between the Old Testament god and the one Jesus preached about.

    Organized religion is still geocentric, and yet the known universe has expanded enormously over the last few centuries. The Hubble telescope has revealed at least 200 billion galaxies, each with 200 billion stars or more, in a vast cosmos some 13 billion years old. How many billions of civilizations have risen and fallen over that time and space? Does every one have its own religion, its own gods? Did every one need a Jesus for salvation? Tends to make our religions look pretty shallow and selfcentered, in my opinion. Unless, of course, you deny any other kind of intelligent life.

    And astrophysicists are imagining an even vaster cosmos, a multiverse of many dimensions, filled with “branes” like our universe floating around inside. Of course, this is pure speculation at this time.

    But I don’t understand why organized religion has remained so static in view of the revelations about the visible universe. Isn’t that how religion began? To explain what the hell our existence, and world, is all about? So why doesn’t it change as our understanding of our “world” changes?

  • Here’s more on the ‘Unholy Melee’

    Victor Batarseh, the Mayor of Bethlehem, said that he has had to intervene in the past to ensure that the cleaning of the Church happened in an orderly fashion. “As usual the cleaning of the church after Christmas is a cause of problems,” he said.

    Apparantly there’s something of a tradition with ladders.

    It is not the first time that a ladder has led to fisticuffs among priests in the Holy Land. In the courtyard of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, in Jerusalem’s Old City, a ladder still stands as a reminder for all priests to watch their tempers.

    One hundred years ago, the ladder was erected by a priest attempting to repair damage done during an earthquake. Another sect accused the priest of trespassing and a fight broke out.

    When the dust settled, the priests decided to leave the ladder as a reminder to the future keepers of the Church to solve their disputes in a more Christian fashion.

    Ladder Day Saints, anyone?

  • I’m not sure the poll data indicates such good news for atheists; there’s an enormous gap between “none” and “other,” and this more likely indicates a rise of alternative beliefs than non-belief. They survey writers must be pretty Christian-centric to conflate the two responses into one.

  • There may be a lower percentage of religionists today…but the difference is that a few years ago Rove & Co decided to “use” the theocratic crowd to their political neocon advantage. This was done by waving red flags of one issue messages before the non thinkers…such as: abortion, I pray louder than you pray politicians, and who can you marry or the great abomination of homosexuality.

    If you look closely none of these issues were governmental or political in nature…but they served as emotional anchors to capture some votes.

  • The figures I was looking at before definitely called out Atheism specifically. But we’d still talking very small numbers.

  • PS: If they want to sell more bibles, they should just put Buddy Christ on the cover! I’d buy one.

    (If the link doesn’t work try copying the URL and pasting it manually)

  • Revelation 13:18 — This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

    The Oxford Companion to the Bible has this to say about 666:

    The number was arrived at by presenting Nero’s Greek name Kaisar Neron in Hebrew letters, which also function as numbers: qsr nrwn; q = 60, s = 100, r = 200, n = 50, w = 6, so qsr nrwn adds up to 666. (Some westernmanuscripts read “six hundred sixteen” … likely that they simply dropped the final n: qsr nrw for Kaisar Nero, making 616.)

    If you create a code assigning multiples of 6 to letters of the alphabet (a=6, b=12, …., z=156), then encode the letters in the word “computer” and add those, your result is 666.

    According to the Bible (1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2), “Then he made the molten sea; it was round, ten cubits from brim to brim, and five cubits high, and a line of thirty cubits measured its circumference.” Pi is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its radius. Ergo, pi = 3.0. No need to memorize 3.14159265358979…

    And we give these people tax breaks?!

  • kevo – wouldn’t it be ironic if there was some truth in this quote?

    “It is an insult to God to believe in God. For on the one hand it is to suppose that he has perpetrated acts of incalculable cruelty. On the other hand, it is to suppose that he has perversely given his human creatures an instrument—their intellect—which must inevitably lead them, if they are dispassionate and honest, to deny his existence. It is tempting to conclude that if he exists, it is the atheists and agnostics that he loves best, among those with any pretensions to education. For they are the ones who have taken him most seriously.” –Galen Strawson

  • One hears from a lot of secular people worries that the country is plunging over the edge into theocracy. At the same time, the press often seems to feel that the country is experiencing a massive religious revival that it needs to cover by hiring new “religion” correspondents. The truth, as shown in the above chart based on National Election Survey data, is more like the reverse — more people than ever say “other” or “none” when asked about their religious beliefs.

    Yeah, and the facts he points to are encouraging (not that I want people to be atheists, but you have to be thinking and be rational to become an atheist, and “thinking and rational” tend to be intermediate stops on a route to a good ideology / state of mind, whether that ideology is a theistic or atheistic one), but as with a lot of liberal analysis, I think he “misses the boat” on what the conservatives are doing nowadays.

    That is: Are the conservatives, through holding key public and private positions, or leadership positions, forcing more talk about religion (and, of course, demagogic, rather than productive talk about religion) in front of people? Sure. Are they getting religion on the airwaves? By Matt Y’s own admission, yes. Is the heightened display of religion intensifying the resolves of the hardcore 30% of conservatives, or making enough moderates those conservatives need to help facilitate conservative political activities more tolerant of the dogmatic, obnoxious, intensified religious displays and justifications for conservative actions? Probably. We’ve all noted, I’m sure, how the 30% don’t seem to get smaller, no matter what happens. You can chalk it up to the Fox News bubble, and that certainly may explain a lot, since Fox and CNN do so much to make people uninformed, but for a number as high as 30%, proabably another factor or two have to help out, too.

    About the Catholics and Jews, there might be about the same number of people who self-identify as Catholics, but there are less people becoming priests, nuns, monks, deacons, and friars, and people are participating less in church in general- strict Catholics would say they’ve “turned away from the church.” I almost never go to church now, and it’s not out of any rejection of the Catholic church (although I certainly find things to be critical and disappointed about) but what I do would wasn’t so common a few decades ago. Now, skipping church (except for a few) is almost becoming ubiquitous. I can’t imagine it’s much different with Jews and going to temple.

  • I have a friend with a 666 telephone prefix. When someone asks for his number, I say: Satan XXXX.

    My atheist physics teacher used to have all his quiz (not final) answers with 666 somewhere in the answer. He rarely had complaints as physics was not usually taken by the bible thumpers.

  • Could it be that people are just getting tired of dogmatism. Much of it is transparently absurd. The golden rule is all a person needs, theist or not. Beyond that, let god, if it exists, work it out in the afterlife. Insisting on a hatred of science, birth control, gays, independent women,… just seems so Dark Ages.

  • A turn to religion could be a result of the aging boomers. Maybe there are no atheists on deathbeds, either. For myself, I hope I am lying there thinking, ‘Bring it on God, I’ve got some bones to pick with you’.

  • It would be interesting to see the results of a study that attempts to identify the contribution to this trend due to the highly publicized Catholic clergy pedophilia epidemic and coverup of recent years.

  • Steve said:
    How to sell more bibles? Easy—just keep “revising” the content. A few words here and there, every year; changing out a particular word with a synonym that can be defined in a slightly different context—King James did it, so why not today’s Vangees and Fundies? It’s not as if they’re entertaining variety in the interpretation, y’know….

    I’ve thought for a while now that they must be using a version of the Bible that’s different from the one I read back in Sunday school:

    And Jesus said unto them, “Screweth the poor! Blessed are they who cut the taxes of millionaires, for millionaires are beloved of God above all other men.”

    Or

    “And when a man strikes thee upon thy right cheek, then bloweth him away using the handgun the keeping of which has been sanctified by God. And likewise, remembering the Divine doctrine of Preemption, bloweth away the man standing next to him lest he, at some future time, strike thee upon thy cheek.”

  • I was raised a Christian, but over the last 20 years I’ve flirted with New Age, Buddhism, and others before finally deciding that I’m a hopeful agnostic. It happened because of life experiences, studying history, science and actually READING the Bible. Had little to do with politics, though the behavior of the Religious Right is probably turning a lot of people off to religion.

  • IMO one of the main reasons why the bible-thumpers are losing ground is the availability of information. Today there are a lot more resources for reading the various versions of “the bible”, and information plus reason often equals disbelief. Once you understand the context of the work and how it got into our hands, it looks more and more like a human construction. Before the internet, finding out that there are hundreds of errors in the bible was a lot harder.

    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/christianity/errancy.html

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