Thompson believes bin Laden deserves due process

Well, I don’t imagine the right is going to care for this at all.

Republican presidential contender Fred Thompson said Monday that while Osama bin Laden needs to be caught and killed, the terrorist mastermind would get the due process of law.

Last week, when bin Laden’s latest tape emerged, Thompson said the terrorist responsible for 9/11 is “more symbolism than anything else.” When that drew some criticism, Thompson adopted a tougher line, saying bin Laden “ought to be caught and killed.”

Today, the actor/lobbyist/politicians sought to clarify, saying he wasn’t suggesting that bin Laden’s death would happen immediately after his capture.

“No, no, no, we’ve got due process to go through” depending on the circumstances, he said. “I’m not suggesting those things happen simultaneously.”

As it turns out, Thompson isn’t the first presidential hopeful to argue publicly that bin Laden deserves due process of law. The first was Howard Dean, four years ago. Of course, when he said that, the right went apoplectic.

National Review’s Andrew McCarthy, for example, described the comments as a “mistletoe buss for Osama bin Laden,” which should “disqualify [Dean] from serious contention for a major party’s presidential nomination.” He added that supporting due process for bin Laden made Dean “unfit” for national office.

This where Howard Dean would take America: unable to respond until a jury decides, probably sometime around 2010, if ever. Are the Democrats as a whole really willing to walk over that cliff with him? There are sensible, patriotic Democrats who have supported the global war on terror, even as they have carped about military operations in Iraq. At what point do they face down the fringe? At what point do they say: If our presumptive nominee can’t even say Osama bin Laden is guilty, it’s time to go back to the drawing board?

One wonders if intellectual honesty will compel McCarthy to write a similar column condemning Thompson. Somehow, I kind of doubt it.

More generally, I think it’s safe to say that Thompson’s performance out of the blocks hasn’t exactly impressed, well, anyone.

Over the weekend, publius had an excellent item explaining Thompson’s troubles.

First, raising money is not the only reason why campaigns start so early. It’s also important to get your sea legs and work out the bugs well before people start paying attention. People like Kerry and Edwards and Romney and McCain started visiting funnel cake stands in Iowa many months before … Thompson did. It’s not fun, but the experiences gave the candidates a chance to respond to a dizzying range of questions — and tighten their message accordingly. […]

Thompson seems determined to repeat Clark’s mistakes — and for similar reasons. Running for President is hard. You get asked a lot of diverse questions. It takes time to hear them all and master good, persuasive, politically-safe responses to them. Thompson, however, clearly hasn’t been thinking about these questions (or let’s hope not anyway). Several months on the stump sharpens your message, improves your bullshit powers. Thompson sounds like I would sound if I jumped into a high-stress presidential campaign 4 months before the primary — like an unprepared idiot.

The point is that Thompson’s stupid responses aren’t a reflection of his intelligence or potential strength, they’re a reflection of his inexperience. They’re a reflection of his sitting on his ass all year. There are structural reasons if you will why Thompson is going to say stupid things over the next few weeks. Most people get those out of the way early on before the national media starts hanging on every word. These gaffes are even worse for Thompson because he’s been built up in people’s minds as the Messiah — dumb words sound even dumber when set against those type of baseline expectations.

Well said. People, even some political professionals, seem to believe that running for president is no different than running for, say, the Senate. If a candidate understands the issues, and has opinions on various policies, he or she simply needs to get out there and impress the voters.

Nonsense. Thompson is used to memorizing a script, not responding to voters or reading policy white papers. So far, as David Yespen noted, it’s not working out particularly well.

Fred Thompson’s announcement speech Thursday in Des Moines was underwhelming. The former U.S. Senator and movie actor formally announced his long-awaited candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination at the Des Moines Convention Complex. It wasn’t very impressive.

The crowd of a few hundred didn’t seem enthused. Thompson’s oratory didn’t soar but was somewhat rambling. […]

[A]s the Thompson campaign winds it’s way across Iowa for the next two days, the actor might want to work on his lines. Punch up the message. Lose the note cards. Pump up the volume. Give us a little stump oratory. And how about a specific policy initiative or two?

Otherwise, Republican activists won’t be impressed. They’ll be disappointed. Thompson won’t live up to their expectation that he could be their savior. They’ll start drifting to other candidates.

And this thing will get out of hand.

Say it with me: Thompson isn’t ready for prime time.

“No, no, no, we’ve got due process to go through”

When did that start? I thought “due process” went out the window with the “Patriot” Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the “Protect America” Act. Sounds to me like Freddie of Hollywood is living in a utopian world.

By the way, it’s the alleged Bin Laden tape, CB. I’m disappointed that you’re not thinking critically about uncorroborated information.

  • Fred Thompson apparently did not understand that months and months of political foreplay was raising expectations to near stratospheric levels; now it’s starting to look like he forgot to take the Viagra, and by the time it takes effect, the collective response is likely to be, “Never mind – not in the mood anymore.”

  • I don’t like what you did with this one Steve. It may be that Thompson hasn’t sharpened his message, but to use the fact he stood up for due process as a means to attack him on that point isn’t right at all. Thompson, like Dean was right to say Bin Laden deserves due process. Due process is at the heart of what makes America a great country. He may be a fat lazy idiot, but give the guy credit where credit is due. You do believe in due process don’t you.

    (I’ll also mention that due process notwithstanding- the death penalty for Bin Laden, George Bush, or any other person in the world is morally wrong in all cases and in all forms.)

  • I think many in the rightwingnutosphere are gradually working themselves into a place where OBL wasn’t involved at all with 9/11 – it was totally an Iraqi Government Run Operation.

  • The GOP could use some candidates who believe in the rule of law, and who are out in front on it, but I think the point here is that rather than expect to see Thompson drag the party in that direction, he will fold with some lame response that repudiates it.

    He will have to, because if the justice system is good enough for bin Laden, shouldn’t it be good enough for all those detainees at Gitmo? Doesn’t that destroy the whole GOP desire to deal with alleged terrorists via extra-legal means whenever possible? That’s a road the GOP cannot go down now, not after all the hard work they’ve done to make it all possible.

    Thompson may have landed on the right policy, but I can’t be the only one who thinks he didn’t do it on purpose. And his soon-to-be modifed-more-than-once explanation will be the proof of that.

  • Typical rightie thinking: trial first, then off with his head!

    Except I think it was the Queen of Hearts in “Alice in Wonderland” who said that.

    Poor righties, can’t be original about anything, can they? Of course, they do all live in Wonder-Land (as in “I wonder how anyone can be that fucking stoooopid!”).

  • Frederick of Hollywood may not be ready for primetime, but you might want to go read the article on him at Salon today. He’s just right for the below-average morons of the Republican right. And I see this in comments at another board I visit – the idiots all think he’s the second coming of Ronnie the Ray-Gun. Of course, they’re right, but not for the reasons they think. Thompson, like Ronnie, is an amiable dunce who never had an original thought in his life. At least when Reagan married his second wife, though, he didn’t marry some political pole-dancer who’s 9 years younger than his daughter of his first marriage. I really wonder how that is going to sit with all those good Republican women who live in terror of being dumped for a younger model? I haven’t heard a word about Jeri Thompson being sent around in Iowa, has anyone else?

  • CB: One wonders if intellectual honesty will compel McCarthy to write…

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh please. Stop it. If a wingnut ever let intellectual honesty actually enter their mind it would explode like a matter/antimatter event. There wouldn’t be anything left but a full diaper.

  • Thompson’s problem isn’t granting Bin Laden the right to due process, it’s reconciling that position with the all the rights-denying measures in the “Patriot Act” and MCA, rejecting articles of the Geneva Convention, wiretapping, etc.

  • O.K. Yawn, So how is Thompson doing in the polls now? (Sept. 17 2007 Gallup poll in 2nd at 22%). Fred is doing fine and is the best candidate. I think I here “Hail to the chief,” as Ferd Thompson walks in. He will make a great President one we can be all proud of and one that can restore our friendships and respect around the world. He has worked in the most liberal of environments (Hollywood), in the most professional law (as a lawyer), and in one of the most respected, as a Senator. He has proven he can work with all types of people and is liked and loved. We the people deserve a great leader and that leader is Fred Thompson, “I am with Fred.”

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