Thompson touts Bush’s economic record, believes it beats Clinton’s

A couple of weeks ago, actor/senator/lobbyist Fred Thompson, a leading GOP presidential contender despite not having launched a campaign, lost his campaign manager, research director, and spokesperson in the course of a couple of days.

Apparently, he fired his economic advisor, too. In his latest column, Thompson argues that Bush’s economic policies are superior to those of Bill Clinton’s.

Economist Larry Kudlow calls today’s American economy, “the greatest story never told.” If you’re generally predisposed to not support tax cuts and economic growth, you’re probably satisfied that the U.S. economy isn’t bragged on more. But you’d also be out of step with Americans [sic] traditional optimism, and out of step with reality, too. […]

Since the spring of 2003, the economy has had average growth of over 3%, 8.2 million jobs have been created, and the inflation rate has stayed low. The current unemployment rate, 4.6%, is a full percentage point below what it averaged during the 1990s, and there have been 47 consecutive months (almost four years) of job growth. In the last three years, workers’ salaries have risen by $1.2 trillion, or $8,000 per worker, and consumer confidence recently reached its highest level in almost six years.

People have pointed out that journalists were trumpeting economic statistics during the Clinton administration that were not as good as those we have now, hence the “greatest story never told.” I think they want to play down how well we’ve done with lower tax rates, because it interferes with the ability of their friends in Congress who believe that a virtuous society is one that divides the economic pie, taking more out of taxpayer pockets and letting government do more with those dollars. To them, growing the pie means taxing the people more, which then gives the government more money to transfer to others. But conservatives know better.

Wow. It would be surprising enough for a presidential candidate to say such nonsense out loud, but to put it in print is rather remarkable. Thompson has already developed something of a reputation for having a limited intellect, but writing such tripe is only going to make matters worse.

I’ve been looking forward to the end of 2008, not just because it will mark the end of Bush’s presidency, but also because it will offer a chance to compare Clinton’s and Bush’s records. The current Oval Office occupant still has a ways to go, but so far, Clinton is ahead in every possible category, including job creation, economic growth, deficit reduction, poverty reduction, stock market growth, narrowing the income gap, the list goes on and on.

MSNBC looked at just job creation and public confidence.

During the eight years of the Clinton Administration — which, by the way, raised taxes — about 23 million jobs were created, which comes out to about 240,000 jobs per month. By comparison, only a net of 5.6 million jobs have been created during the Bush years, which comes out to about 71,000 per month. Even taking away the job losses caused by a recession and the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the Bush years come up short: In the 47 consecutive months of job growth since the fall of 2003, the per-month average has been about 177,000 jobs.

What’s more, many Americans don’t feel that great about the economy right now. In the latest NBC/WSJ poll, 68% of respondents say the country is in an economic recession — or will be in the next 12 months. And on a 1-to-10 scale, the mean grade respondents gave the economy in the poll was 5.6. By comparison, the grade they gave in June 1997 (well before the tech boom of the late 1990s) was 6.2.

That latter point matters. Thompson is not just wrong on the facts when it comes to Bush’s economic record, he’s also insulting the public’s intelligence. Americans who’ve struggled for the last six years know how awful Bush’s policies have been. For Thompson to tell them, “Don’t believe your lying eyes” only reinforces the notion that this guy is an amateur who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Let’s also not overlook the fact that Thompson’s column describes a vast media conspiracy, made up of journalists who want to raise taxes and undermine our “virtuous society.” Thompson’s not only wrong, he’s apparently a bit of a nut.

Perhaps I’m going about this the wrong way. Maybe it’s better that a leading GOP presidential hopeful wants to embrace Bush’s economic record and tell people how much better off they are now than in the ’90s. If Dems are really lucky, Thompson will keep this up and his Republican rivals will join him in repeating this nonsense.

Um… can I have my $8000 now? It appears to have been lost somewhere along the way.

  • This is how these republicans think : 1st Thompson came up with the phrase “the greatest story never told”, then he set about making the facts fit around that great sounding phrase. Doesn’t matter that it’s a complete falsehood just that it sounds cool…”the greatest story never told”…pulls in the Christian crowd huh.

  • Yes, and the economy is generally so much stronger when the Federal Government is in debt to the tune of $9 Trillion. How’s your Halliburton stock doing, Fredo?

    In the last three years, workers’ salaries have risen by $1.2 trillion, or $8,000 per worker…

    Ok, Fredo, now show us how much lower the median for that figure is, when you scrap your Corporate CEO Masters’ Big Bucks.

  • Fred Thompson said: “The current unemployment rate, 4.6%, is a full percentage point below what it averaged during the 1990s…”

    This is one of those things that really bugs me – the use of a single favorable statistic to attempt to paint an overall better picture of employment than exists. Here’s a question for the rest of the readers: How many different reasons can we give that employment is worse now than it was in the 90’s but wouldn’t be reflected in the unemployment rate? I’ll start the ball by pointing out that the unemployment rate says nothing about the quality of jobs: if 3 million people get Burger King and Wal-Mart quality employment, they’re not going to be happy about it.

  • JKap –
    Please get your nicknames aligned:

    AG AG Gonzo is Fredo (as in a crime family saga)

    Fred Thompson is Frederick of Hollywood (as in sex drenched Jeri-on-a-pole trophy wife sleazeball)

    Can I have my $8000.00, too. I seem to have been short changed…

  • and I’ll pick up where gg left off by noting that official unemployment statistics don’t count those who have given up looking.

  • GOP math short: Lay off a worker that makes $16 per hour. Export his former job to Bum-F***istan where some sad-sack schmoe can do it for $1 per day for a 10-hour shift—that’s $0.10 per hour. Force the laid-off guy to take two jobs at $7 per hour apiece, just to keep his house from getting reposessed and his family from getting tossed to the curb. That’s three jobs for $14.10 per hour, with no benefits involved.

    THAT is Thompson’s idea of a “good” economy. Fortunately, he’s not a presidential candidate yet. Quick—someboby gimme a crowbar. A BIG crowbar. After all, you know what they say—-

    “Spare the crowbar; spoil the stupid conservative….”

  • ‘Inflation has stayed low”??? Maybe it has on yachts, tropical islands(buying them ,that is), and mansions, but on trivial items such as food and energy its a whole different story.

  • None of the false claims Thompson makes matter a damn. The media will it for the most part without even mentioning that some (read: all non-ideologue) economists disagree.

  • Sure – the economy is fantastic! Just ask those folks that have to work 2 to 3 jobs just to make enough money just to keep their heads above water.

  • Can you imagine what it would be like to get a job you could buy a house with out of high school?

    My only dream in life is to make 30K. I don’t think I ever will.

    Screw you Fred Thompson!! I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • You know, HRC and her team have been reluctant to put the Big Dog out on the trail because (a) his presence inevitably raises uncomfortable comments and questions and (b) she will always come off as a lesser speaker in comparison to him.

    But following up on my comment yesterday about how the DNC should have been running ad campaigns year round between election cycles to set the context, this would be a perfect role for Bill Clinton that would serve all Dems, including his wife. For the next year, Bill, Carville, and Begala can go on full-time response duty against any attacks on the Clinton/Gore administraiton (and if Gore wants to mend fences and get in on the fun, bully for him.)

    Everytime someone as dumb as Frederick of Hollywood spouts off some obvious nonsense, the old War Room team can — per their rule, twice as hard and in the same news cycle — pound the hell of ’em. Bill Clinton is faster, smarter, and a better communicator than any Republican around and as an added benefit he still commands the sort of media attention that most Democrats do not – he still has an ability to match the bully puplit of the White House. (Bonus: it keeps Carville the hell away from the Dem nomination race).

    Let him run around and “truth squad” the Repubs. If they pound enough on his record, he can challenge them to debates – hell, take ’em 10 against 1; my money is still on Bill.

    That would free the actual 2008 candidates up to stay on their own agendas and winning the nomination, while Bill gets a head start on softening up the eventual Republican nominee.

    Whaddya say, Bill, have we got a deal?

  • Average $8,000 raise in the last few years, huh? I think mine got lost in the mail. Fred, who can I call to get my raise? I really need the cash, despite the low inflation and all. The grocer and fuel oil company here did NOT get your memo that prices are still low.

  • but on trivial items such as food and energy its a whole different story.

    And don’t forget medical insurance. Mine (which my company pays for) has gone up about 116% since 2002! And I’ve yet to meet the annual deductible.

  • That latter point matters.

    Sorry to get argumentative here but I’m afraid the latter point doesn’t matter. When Thompson argues that Americans’ impressions of the economy are false, you don’t refute him by demonstrating what Americans’ impressions of the economy are, you refute them by explaining why their impressions are accurate and true. The latter point doesn’t do that, and the best the selection comes up with is a rather weak comparison on job growth. I could have argued a stronger difference than MSNBC between the robust Clinton years and the anemic Bush years.

  • Haik Bedrosian: Bill Gates and I have an average net worth of 20 billion dollars each!

    Well put.

  • Average $8,000 raise in the last few years, huh?

    When Bill Gates goes into Moe’s Tavern, the average barfly is a billionaire. The median barfly is still Barney Gumble.

  • Here they go again. The Republicans either cite “average” gains which are badly skewed because the VERY VERY VERY wealthy have been benefiting so disproportionately under Bush, or a statistic like the overall growth in GNP which has no impact the lives of most individuals. The real experience of most people in this country today is that they are finding themselves squeezed between stagnant incomes, which are being held down by global competition and the soaring costs of energy, their children’s education and, especially, health care (if they are able to obtain coverage at all!). Super rich Republicans simply seem incapable of comprehending the pressures the rest of us are living under.

  • Even taking away the job losses caused by a recession and the 9/11 terrorist attacks,

    I know that’s from the MSNBC report, but I would hope then that the job losses related to the recession of the early 90s would also be taken away from the net job creation numbers for the Clinton administration. After all, he “inherited” a recession as well.

  • Yes Thompson, Kudlow and the White House have been celebrating the supposed stellar performance of the US economy. For many middle class Americans, nothing could be further from the truth.

    With their Iraq policy and almost everything else they have touched an abysmal failure, and the American people getting more disenchanted every day, Rove et al have been working hard to change the headlines by projecting an image of economic growth and prosperity.
    For most of America’s middle class though, the reality is quite different than what the White House and it’s Fox News messengers would have you believe. In fact, according to a poll sponsored by the Center For American Progress,

    “the public is more worried about falling into debt, particularly from medical bills, than about being the victim of a terrorist attack or natural disaster and 86 percent insist the number of Americans having trouble with household debt has gone up in the last five years.”

    Incomes aren’t rising nearly as fast as the costs of the big three, healthcare, housing and education. The only Americans that are truly happy about this increasingly troublesome economic climate are wealthy conservatives and their GOP enablers who embrace the compassionless rhetoric of an Ayn Rand guided ownership society and the Bush tax handout crafted just for them. Things are getting worse for the millions of poor people in this country and the middle class are also feeling the pain as the wealth gap continues to grow, inexorably squeezing them as it does.

    Following is just a taste of the reality that conservatives don’t think or care about.

    1. Most working people and middle class families are genuinely struggling to survive, many from paycheck to paycheck. Millions are one unforeseen incident away from bankruptcy and worse.

    2. Housing costs have been skyrocketing and millions of homes are losing value as interest rates increase, sales slow and inventories rise. Also, defaults on adjustable rate mortgages and foreclosures have climbed to record highs.

    3. Medical bills including prescription drug prices are through the roof with many elderly citizens on fixed incomes forced into making impossible decisions every month on whether to pay the electric bill or purchase the medications they so desperately need.

    4. Gas prices continue to rise with more and more working people being pushed further down the economic ladder. With millions forced to live hours from urban employment centers due to the lack of affordable housing, high gas prices are taking a terrible toll.

    5. According to the The Minneapolis Star Tribune in the past year, food prices have increased 3.7 percent and are on track to jump by as much as 7 percent by year’s end. The current increase is more than double the 1.8 percent jump seen the year before, according to the consumer price index.

    6. Credit card debt is rising at an alarming rate and more American middle class families are using their credit cards as their financial safety net.

    “American families are facing financial hardship not experienced for generations”, says Tamara Draut, Director of the Economic Opportunity Program at Demos. “The results are clear, wages have stagnated while medical and housing costs have skyrocketed, and if confronted with a layoff or health emergency there are few, if any, personal or public safety nets adequate enough to help in a crisis. Households are turning to high-cost credit cards to keep afloat.”

    7. Many Americans are working one, two, or even three jobs just to survive. Perhaps you remember Bush’s famous conversation with a divorced single mother named Mary Mornin of Omaha in 2005. She told the president,

    “I have one child, Robbie, who is mentally challenged, and I have two daughters. I have to work three jobs to make ends meet.”

    Astoundingly the clueless Bush replied,
    “You work three jobs? Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that!”

    This disconnect is so huge it defies credulity. Yet it accurately defines conservatives lack of compassion for the working poor in America.

    8. Hundreds and thousands have lost good paying manufacturing jobs to lower paid workers overseas as corporations once again chose higher corporate profits over the American workers who built their companies. Princeton University economist Alan Blinder, a former U.S. Federal Reserve Board vice-chair says the following.

    “We have so far barely seen the tip of the offshoring iceberg, the eventual dimensions of which may be staggering.”

    9. While America’s middle class struggles to make ends meet, corporate CEO’s and other high ranking corporate executives are receiving unconscionable compensation packages. According to the AFLCIO the CEO of a Standard & Poor’s 500 company made on average $14.78 million in total compensation in 2006.

    The political divide seems clearer than ever when it comes to the economy.

  • But conservatives know better.

    So sayeth Hollywood Fraud Thompson. Conservatives know better about what ?? The use of misleading propaganda? You bet they know better about that. They know it so well that it’s taken the place of honesty.

    Hollywood Fraud. He’s about as genuine as his li’l red truck. And about as useful overall.

  • Clinton is ahead in every possible category, including job creation, economic growth, deficit reduction, poverty reduction, stock market growth, narrowing the income gap […] — CB

    The last item on your list, in particular, is NOT a priority with conservatives; quite the opposite. As for poverty reduction… Gimme a break; the poorer the peons are, the easier it is to control them. The trick is not to beggar them to the point where they’ll rebel.

  • I don’t know that he’s that stupid – although I wouldn’t call him smart by a long shot. He’s just serving his big plutocratic corporate masters and friends, and raking in fees and stock options from them. He’s spreading the propaganda to fool the Nascar crowd – in his red truck and jeans – with his Jaguar parked out of sight.

  • The current unemployment rate, 4.6%, is a full percentage point below what it averaged during the 1990s.

    This is a familiar rightwing canard. But a picture is worth a thousand words:

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200603240004

    (Just in case that link doesn’t show up, Clinton’s average is higher than Bush’s because it started high, but it steadily decreased to reach 4.0% in 2000. That was Bush’s starting point. 4.6% doesn’t sound so great now, does it?)

  • It seemed that Clinton was able to create a multinational coalition and restore democracy to a industrialized nation with no casualties too.

  • Last March, I wrote a comparison of the “Clinton vs. Bush” stock markets back when the DOW plunged 416 points in one day essentially wiping out six years of market gains since Bush took office for a net NEGATIVE growth in the market.

    Compare that to the DOW, which started at 3,500 when Clinton entered office, peaked at 11,723 in 2000 before candidate Bush started talking down the economy, and still closed just over 10,000. Nearly TRIPLE (290%) where it was when he started.

    Now compare that to Bush. Six years in office, the DOW has grown by a whopping 25%… and adjusted for inflation, actually translates to NEGATIVE growth.

    Oh year, this Bush economy just blow the Clinton economy away. Well, it “blows”. That’s for sure.

  • Remember that in 2000, it was well accepted that Bush “talked the economy into a recession”, going around on the campaign trail telling everyone that “the economy isn’t as good as they say”. It was the only way he could compete against such a great economy… by dismissing it as a mirage.

    I have no doubt G-Dub would be just THRILLED to have the Clinton economy that he dismissed early on.

  • Thompson’s just another hollow Republican suit, stuffed with factory floor sweepings, dust bunnies and plenty of pins (can you tell that I used to work in the garment industry in Manhattan?).

  • Uh, $1.2 trillion and $8,000 each implies 150 million workers in a country of 300 million. You can do the rest of the math yourself and see how ludicrous this is, unless your name is Fred Thompson, and if you ignore the six or seven million more Americans who’ve slipped into poverty. (And I love to contrast touting $8,000 raise per worker while bitching of a 70 cents an hour raise in minimum wage from $5.15 an hour for whom $8,000 is not a raise it is almost a year’s salary.)

    The government downwardly revised the economic growth numbers to 1.5% for the last two years, down from the estimated 3% cited above. And the unemployment figure of 4.6% is about half the actual figure. See if you don’t find work before your benefits run out, the government no longer counts you as unemployed. You get magically moved into the “employed” column of the propaganda spreadsheet.

    I use the word propaganda because when one is comparing Clinton-era economy which ran a surplus to Dumbya’s running THE LARGEST DEFICITS IN THE HISTORY and claiming that the economy is actually BETTER under Dumbya than Clinton – well, that’s a level of doublethink that requires the brain to contort more than a double-jointed Romanian gymnast.

    Anyone seen the value of the dollar lately? It lost about 40% of it’s buying power. Anyone read the news yesterday about China’s nuclear option? Yeah, seems like they might just dump $1.2 trillion (that’s not a typo, like Thompson’s) that they own of our bonds if we start getting uppity, you know like enforcing labor, health and safety regulations, or enforcing intellectual property rights and copyright laws or – if Washington D.C. actually grew a spine – enforcing fair trade agreements.

    Fred Thompson’s political colleague’s have described him as lazy. Think about that. Lazy even for a lobbyist. And this was twenty, thirty years ago. Certainly a man that is thinking of running for president of the United States that can’t be bothered to tell someone else to fact check something that’s being published.

    That’s lazy, man. Lazy even for a repugnican president. (I’m looking at you, Reagan & Dumbya.)

  • Dems need to get much more aggressive. They’ve had a decent start, but they’re still too timid in the war of words and debate. And in letting Bush bully them with terrorist-scare tactics.

    We should be hammering Repubs with this type of thing each and every time. The majority of Americans know taxes are necessary. Everyone hates them, but we also know the good stuff don’t come free, and we need to pay them to get the programs most of us know we need as a society.

    We need to make sure they go to good, solid, functioning programs. Not corporate welfare, no-bid contracts, and cost+ contracts for profiteering Repub buddies. That is the real drain and damage done to the economy.

  • What a bunch of whining Liberal lunatics!!

    You take the pacifiers out of your mouth just long enough to rant but, you make no effort at all to find our what you’re bawling about.

    You little boys should keep the pacifier where it is and start researching other places than MoveOn and DailyKuns.

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