Those pesky American workers think wages are more important than GDP

When Republicans express dismay over public disappointment with the economy, it’s generally indicative of how out of touch the party really is. When the New York Times does the same thing, it’s just odd.

In many ways, the economy has not looked so good in a long time…. But Republican candidates do not seem to be getting any traction from the glowing economic statistics with midterm elections just two weeks away.

The economy is virtually nowhere to be found among the campaign ads of embattled Republican incumbents fighting to hold onto their House or Senate seats. Nor is it showing up as a strong weapon in the arsenal of Republican governors defending their jobs from Democrats.

“I don’t know of another election cycle in which the economy was so good, yet the election prospects for the incumbent party looked so bad,” said Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist.

Deep into the story, the NYT notes, “Rather than celebrate the stock market’s gains and the overall growth of the economy, many voters are worried about the wages of ordinary workers, which have just started to improve after several years of falling short or barely keeping up with inflation.”

You don’t say. Regular American workers are more interested in regular American wages than the health of the Dow Jones? Economic growth doesn’t seem to mean much when most people aren’t feeling the effects?

Why would anyone find any of this surprising?

The WaPo/ABC News poll released this morning found that the public isn’t satisfied with the state of the economy, and only a quarter of those surveyed said they are getting ahead financially. Not surprisingly, Republicans have an advantage only among those who say their financial condition is improving.

With this in mind, Luntz’s quote is about how the majority party should be excelling considering how “good” the economy is, suggests the right is completely oblivious about the kind of indicators the public is looking for.

Through September, the growth in hourly wages was flat or negative for 27 of the previous 29 months, according to Labor Department data….Workers are barely keeping up. Health care, wages and energy prices are consumers’ top three economic concerns, according to a Gallup poll in September.

“That has to do with things like stagnant wages, fears of jobs being outsourced, income security. These are on people’s minds, particularly in lower- and middle-income areas,” said Dennis Jacobe, chief economist in Charlotte, N.C., for Gallup.

“I think it’s quite clear to people that their paychecks are being squeezed when they try to meet their family budgets,” said Jared Bernstein, the chief economist for the liberal Economic Policy Institute in Washington. “There’s a disconnect between overall economic performance and paychecks of working families.”

Why is this so hard for people to understand? Wages are awful, bankruptcies are up, debt is skyrocketing, Americans are working more for less, employment insecurity is everywhere, health care costs are hard to keep up with, and unions and bargaining power are in decline. The rhetoric from the GOP majority in Washington argues, “We cut taxes for billionaires; everyone should be thrilled.”

Who, exactly, expects the typical American to be impressed with the economy?

you would think the times wouldn’t find it so hard to remember that the economy looked much better a mere 7-12 years ago, although conceivably “long time” for the times means “since bush took office.”

  • “I think it’s quite clear to people that their paychecks are being squeezed when they try to meet their family budgets,”

    The problem is that the GOP — and many of it’s supporters — aren’t feeling the squeeze. I’d even through in libs like Kerry and Lamont into that as well.

    It’s pathetic that The Mrs. and I, who earn a combined $80,000, are living paycheck to paycheck. We don’t have a lot of credit card debt, nor a flat screen TV, a closet full of new clothes, or a $40K SUV in the garage.

    All we have are mounting medical bills ($15K and counting), increasing energy costs (and we keep our heat at 65 and AC at 83), and no idea of how in the hell we’re going to get ahead.

  • Families on the unearned income gravy-train are few and far between, though I do suspect that such families are more common within the corporate world, or the world of investment. Yet, the vast majority of families are wage-earners living literally month to month. The disconnect between political leaders and their media coverage, and the common American worries is much greater than many in the MSM or the Beltway could possibly imagine. Pre-emptive strike – not a concern for the American wage-earner. 12,000 stock market – not a concern for the American wage-earner. Corporate profits and executive bonuses – not on the minds of common Americans, outside of valid resentment. “I did nothing wrong” – wrong words from the Speaker of the House. “Stay the course, then no no, I never said stay the course” – truly frightening to the wage-earner American.

    No, wage-earning Americans are more concerned about: 1- power people protecting pedophiles and not teenage pages; 2- earmarking legislation for porkbarrel projects; 3- stomping on the Constitution; 4- lying to the American people; 5- increasing the minimum wage; 6- questioning their patriotism if they should decide to dissent; and finally, from so much more, 7- the failed policies of the Bush Administraion and the Congress that rubber-stamped the said failed policies.

    Dear NYT: Get a clue and get back to covering the news for the common American. Maybe then you will garner more respect! -Kevo

  • Here’s a Cleveland Plain Dealer headline: “Ohio unemployment rate declines. Ohio’s unemployment rate fell to 5.3% in September, from 5.7% in August. ”

    DeWine has been playing up unemplyment numbers. And it does sound good right? Keep reading….

    “The Ohio Department of Job and Family said the decline was mostly due to people leaving the labor force and returning to school last month.”

    So let’s say 5 out of 100 people were jobless. One 20-year old went back to school. So now it’s 5 out of only 99 who are jobless, thus letting the GOP say “unemplyment fell”

    So now let’s keep reading, and you’ll know what’s REALLY happening:

    “The state’s non-farm wage and salary employment fell in September by 2,500. The largest drop was in government jobs, off 3,800. Decreases also occurred in trade, transportation and utilities, down 3,400 and other services, down 1,700…. ”

    I hope I didn’t confuse Luntz.

  • It’s also indicative of the “audience” the New York Times aims at, too much of the time. I love aspects of the paper, but it never ceases to amaze me that the condos and townhouses advertised in it generally cost more than $1,000,000, and sometimes much more, and the hotels and inns they recommend staying in are very often more than $200 a night.

  • Somebody might want to look into total benefits recieved (health insurance, life insurance, dental, vacations, profit sharing, etc) in their analysis before jumping up and down about how the American worker is getting shafted. Wages & Salaries only account for a segement of total worker benefits. Granted wage growth has fallen from over 4% in ’00 to under 3% in ’05 and ’06, but at the same time worker benefits have flourished in recent years, largely tied to the rising healthcare benefit costs for employers, but alos driven by other factors. In fact, total benefits recieved by employees has grown rather nicely over the last 6 years (well over 4% per year). Just think: How many of you have more weeks off than your parents did when they were in the work force?

    Now I bet you some might claim the solution is for the gov’t “fix” the healthcare cost problem via a public system. But it is interesting to note, that healthcare cost inflation is not only a US problem, but moreso a global problem — even in countries with public health systems. In fact, in countries with public systems, the quality of healthcare lags the US by a wide margin.

    The solution: Improve productivity through technology adoption throughout the healthcare system, pass reforms on doctor/pharma company liability claims, and change the way the uninsured are cared for (i.e., get them out of the emergency rooms for non-critical care visits which costs over 10x a doctor’s office visit ).

  • A 12,000 stock market (dow jones) is no big deal for the economy since all they do is replace the companies which are failing, with ones that are doing great – insuring that the index will continue to go up.

  • This is beyond stupid. On Friday, the Q3 GDP number is going to come out and it’s going to hit about 1%. Add to that crap figure that the housing market is pretty much imploding, and the fallout has only begun to hit employment and spending. We have massive amounts of adjustable rate, interest only, and negative amortization mortgage resets ahead, and this is going to seriously wack a lot of households’ spending, if they can even afford to continue making payments on their mortgage at all. Many will just be foreclosed upon, and the market will tank further.

    Or maybe just look at the deteriorating job gain trend and then think about how it will look as housing market related (mortgage, construction, retail, etc) jobs start disappearing. The construction job losses havent even begun, and most of the analysts out there, including myself, estimate between 600k and 1 million jobs lost in that sector alone over the next 4-6 quarters.

    Look at the trends in the Philly and Richmond Fed reports on manufacturing. Pretty ugly stuff.

    Sure, people talk up business investment, but much of that non-residential building is linked to the retail development that has mirrored the housing boom, and that game is over. Plus, non residential building is not even half the size of residential, which is already in recession and has much further to fall, which will pare back GDP even more.

    Govt spending is out of control, and has no way to lift GDP going forward, since tax cuts are already way over the top, and we’ve got a major deficit problem heading toward us as baby boomers start to retire in 2011, if not sooner.

    Monetary policy? Sure, cut rates…see what that does to housing – nothing. It’s not a liquidity issue this time around. And cutting rates might just be impossible, given our funding needs, unless of course, we dont REALLY have a strong dollar policy.

    Oh, but oil prices are down…let me ask you this – if gas prices manage to fall from $3 to $2.30, how is that such a great thing, when they were just over $1 when this administration took office? Really, it’s nothing to cheer about, and if you arent of NYTimes reader income level, it’s still wacking your butt good each month.

    We have an economy which is clearly slowing rapidly, yet the markets are getting all crazy over themselves because this might mean cuts in interest rates ahead. Or alternatively, you can believe that the economy is strong, despite evidence to the contrary, and bid up stocks for that reason. Either way, that game isnt going to last past the fourth quarter, when growth will be closer to 0%.

    Next year will be the year of disappearing wealth, as stock markets reverse, and housing collapses, while jobs disappear.

    Quite a legacy Mr Bush is going to leave behind him. He’s kind of right about history judging him after he is dead. While there isnt yet a concensus about whether he is the worst president ever already, when the long view shows just how disastrous his tenure was for our nation’s health, there will be no more debating.

    And, quite frankly, he’ll be lucky if he isn’t impeached.

  • JRS Jr you sir are soft in the head. Doctor and Pharma liability reform? Seriously? How much money do these groups pay out in malpractice and liability each year?

    Tell me how this fits into your free market economic model (you should close the glue when not in use): http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/industries/Health_Care_Insurance_Managed_Care/1.html

    The top 5 Health insurance companies in the US made a combined $9,333,000,000 in PROFITS in 2004. I just found $9 Billion in healthcare costs.

    How much actual money have doctors and pharma companies paid (not court decisions that are under appeal or overturned by “activist judges”)? Are you suggesting that an industry that made BILLIONS in Profits will pass on the savings to the consumer when they have electronic medical records?

    I don’t see any numbers in your little summary indicating what worker productivity did over this time of plenty of yours. Here is a hint http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_snapshots_20050421
    “Productivity growth and profits far outpace compensation in current expansion”

    You obviously have lost your grip on reality. Go pay your electric bill with your extra PTO. Go tell your auto mechanic that you will make him a beneficiary on your newly increased company life insurance policy. Go Cheney yourself!

  • Somebody might want to look into total benefits recieved (health insurance, life insurance, dental, vacations, profit sharing, etc) in their analysis before jumping up and down about how the American worker is getting shafted. JRS Jr

    Sounds like somebody already did! Pat yourself on the back for me. Of course, you forgot inflation and cost of living increases, but you’re almost there.

    Costs rising, wage growth falling, but because my employer and I pay more for health care insurance due to a broken health care system, I should be thrilled?

    Oh, and I have considerably less time off than my parents ever did, not to mention I don’t have a pension like they do so I have to save for my retirement as well as pay for a modest house that costs more than 8 times their bigger house cost them 30 years ago.

    So really, what I’m trying to say is to shove the self-serving bullshit, because no one here is hearing it. When will you people learn it’s not about the economy, it’s about my economy.

    Average folks simply don’t give a damn about record breaking DOW indexes. They give a damn about feeding and clothing their children and buying their school books and paying their mortgage and just maybe if there is enough left at the end of the month donating it to a Democrat who can hopefully end the stupidity we’ve been forced to endure for eight years.

  • I was wondering last night how many of the recently indicted/convicted crooks like Ken Lay were Republicans and how many were Democrats?

    Would it be wrong to show correlation?

  • And another thing…that oh so wonderful unemployment figure. Well, think about this…

    Since Feb 2001, the prior employment peak, before the last recession, we have added 3 million jobs.

    Then, the unemployment rate was 4.2% and now it is 4.6%

    The economy adds about 125k (and that is on the low side of estimates) people to the labor force each month (it used to be assumed 170k, but that figure has been slowly declining.) So, since Feb 01, we should have added 8.25 million jobs to keep unemployment stable. And yet it just ticked up slightly.

    So, that is 5.25 million jobs that didnt happen, and yet, they only contributed to an unemployment increase of 0.4 percentage points. Which basically means there are only 700,000 more people unemployed than there were in Feb 01.

    Does something look odd yet? Of course…it’s because the unemployment figure is pretty much useless, since it leaves out the issue or labor force participation, and why people have dropped out of the labor force and arent working, and therefore not counted as unemployed.

    TOTAL BS statistics, is what you have here.

    I wont even go into the fact that the unemployment figure is determined from a different survey than the employment figures…but regardles,, this is another piece of crap prop for a piece of crap economy.

    Since Sep 03, when job growth resumed, we’ve averaged 158k job gains a month, a figure trending down now, averaging 107k over the past 6 months.

  • JRS–
    While I see what you’re getting at, your post misses a few key points (which MNProgressive pointed out):

    1. More PTO does not put food in my fridge. And I can’t use that extra sick day to pay for day care.

    2. I’m actually paying MORE for health insurance (in premiums, deductibles, co-pays, and out-of-pocket maximums) than I did just 4 years ago. Hate to break it to you, but just because companies pay more doesn’t mean that employees are paying less — those costs almost always get passed onto the workers.

    3. In relation to point #1 — you can actually thank unions for more days off. Too bad the GOP has done all it can to eliminate them. (Note: I’m not a huge fan of unions, but that’s for another post).

    You can try to spin it all you want, but the fact remains: As of today, the average American worker has less in his/her bank account at the end of the month than they did 6 years ago. PERIOD.

  • “TOTAL BS statistics, is what you have here.” – G2000

    Agreed. Using the Dow as an indicator of national economic health is like trying to determine how cold a winter is by looking at the temperature in Hawaii. An index of a small number of the nation’s wealtiest and healthiest blue chip companies does not correlate to the condition of us here on the ground. Corporate “citizens” are not the same as U.S. citizens and what is good for a corporation can in many ways not be beneficial to the consumers or workers.

    A better indicator would be a “middle class index.” It would measure income growth, expense growth, the ratio between income and expenses, debt to income and other real-world indicators of what a cross-section of middle America is going through.

    We as a nation tie too much of our economic interest to that of corporations who are not beholden to look out for the economic interests of the average American. Just look at the credit card industry, the banking industry, the home loan industry or the oil industry for that matter, who do better the more they squeeze the consumer. A swelling Dow more than likely indicates how successful these industries are at getting more money out of the consumer and at the expense of their workers.

  • “As of today, the average American worker has less in his/her bank account at the end of the month than they did 6 years ago. PERIOD”.

    The average American has more net worth than they ever did, thanks to the huge run up in house values (even accounting this recent pull back). PERIOD.

    “Doctor and Pharma liability reform? Seriously?”

    For example, just take a look at the number of ob/gyn doctors out there… They have been far outpaced by population growth due to the lack of Doctors joining that specialty. So demand > supply, driving costs up.

    “What I’m trying to say is to shove the self-serving bullshit, because no one here is hearing it. When will you people learn it’s not about the economy, it’s about my economy.”

    Doubtful, you should then fix your economy, it sounds broken.

  • JRS – you need to wake up about the sustainability of those housing values which have propped net worth. They arent “in the bank” by any means, and what has disappeared so far is just a start, since the debt structure supporting those prices isnt sustainable. Also, the average is boosted by the networth of the very wealthy, which skews the gain massively. Try using the median instead.

    And you are jumping for joy because unadjusted stock market prices based on the dow are at a new record. So in five and a half years you are back where you started. HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN.

  • but at the same time worker benefits have flourished in recent years, largely tied to the rising healthcare benefit costs for employers, but alos driven by other factors. In fact, total benefits recieved by employees has grown rather nicely over the last 6 years (well over 4% per year). Just think: How many of you have more weeks off than your parents did when they were in the work force? —JRS Jr.

    What planet are you living on? Are you crazy? I don’t know who you work for but I am now paying $40.00 for a co-pay and $500.00 per day deductable for hospitalization. My prescription drug benefit has all but disappeared because of high deductable and co-pays. I also have to kick in about $100.00 extra per month for my health care. In y2k I was paying $10.00 co-pay and no deductable. My premium for my spouse was about $135.00 twice a month and now it is nearly $400.00 twice a month. My $1500.00 anual dental insurance is now $ 1000.00 and half the time they won’t pay the bill. My total benefits have certainly NOT GROWN NICELY over the last six years, and my pension is a joke. As far as having more time off than my parents, it hasn’t happened here. I am a teacher like my mother was before me and I am working contractually at least twenty days more per year than she did. I think you need to get your facts straight.

  • Doubtful, you should then fix your economy, it sounds broken.

    Oh, ouch. Great retort. That stings, really, I care what you think. Since you can’t extrapolate let me explain: the average person doesn’t think about the whole economy, they think about their own personal economy.

    The average American has more net worth than they ever did, thanks to the huge run up in house values (even accounting this recent pull back). PERIOD.

    Home value doesn’t pay for food, etc. like was mentioned above, and frankly you’re wrong: banks own most of that home value and the high cost of the mortgage is one of the barriers to putting said food on said table.

    Honestly, we shouldn’t have to explain this to you. Seriously, go back to your bridge. It misses you.

  • You know, JRS, if you torture statistics, they will talk, and they’ll say just about anything you want them to, in fact, pretty much exactly what you want to hear.

    However, just as the case with the torture of prisoners, information achieved through force of this manner only provides you with false information, or things that look true on the surface, but have little to do with the underlying reality.

    Sadly, this logic pervades the whole apparatus of our current government. And when this isn’t an option for influence, propaganda nicely fills the gap.

  • Global corporatism is bringing about the same situation for the average American that the Former USSR did for their citizens. About 3% to 5% of the population own and run everything, being in debt is Not owning. Along with a loss of civil liberties. And this from the nation and system that supposedly defeated communism. The corporatist/capitalist system is a fraud. That is why they are always ready to business with communist systems. USSR then, China now.

    The resources belong to the people as a whole, not the corporations or the state. Housing, education, nutrition, sanitation, safety are Rights. The government is there to gaurantee them. The social democracies of Northern Europe have set a good example to Build on.

    Don’t waste time with economic and statistical manipulators. Organize. Take Action. The time to strike is Now.

  • “The resources belong to the people as a whole, not the corporations or the state. Housing, education, nutrition, sanitation, safety are Rights. The government is there to gaurantee them. The social democracies of Northern Europe have set a good example to Build on.”

    –No, they do not belong to the people…they belong to the CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES—Because the citizens of the USA are the ones that have EARNED THEM.

    Rights, like repsect are not freely given, nor should they be–they are EARNED.

  • A quick comment on the rosy economic picture….

    Ashtabula County, Ohio. 2000 census figures identify the population at 102,781. As of October 24, 2006, there are just under 1,000 single-family homes (983, if you want to be nit-picky about it) on the market in Ashtabula County, Ohio. For every ten jobs gained since the 2000 census—eleven have been lost. Net losses have been recorded in all areas of industrial output (Light/moderate/heavy), shipping has slowed (freighter-ports in Ashtabula and Conneaut experience dock-vacancies of 92 and 94 percent, respectively),and the the seasonal tourism sector has been anemic at best (we are, after all, at the Lake Erie shoreline; fishing charters once accounted for an eight-figure annual income for the area).

    This is just one county. A predominantly rural/agricultural, REPUBLICAN county. The uberschweinen didn’t even bother to take care of “their own”—and they want people here to vote for them?

    Adios, GOP. Adios….

  • You know, I haven’t made a count, but how many times to you think that the Dow made records during the presidency of Clinton/Gore?

    Now, after five years and nine months, Boy George II has finally seen the Dow beat numbers we saw in 1999. Impressive? No. The Dow, Nasdaq and Standards and Poor’s 500 should all have been climbing in a steady pattern over the last five years. If ONE of them is now making record numbers, it is, I suggest, only because the money speculators have been asked by the White House to pull out of oil futures are now being directed towards the companies in the Dow. The market is supposed to climb in a fairly steady pattern over time. Since 2000, when it became clear that Boy George II was the Republican’ts choice for the Presidency, the market has been essentially flat. Talk about business confidence!

    Employment numbers are of course a fraud in this country, as they count only those ‘actively seeking work’ according to the Government’s rules in the unemployment rate. And analysis of the growth of the ranks of the employed show that almost 2,700,000 of those who have joined it are immigrants. Apparantly there are no jobs for the native born American Male citizens in this economy.

    Are Americans better off than six years ago? They don’t think so, and the Republican’ts parading the fact that more of the rich are now super rich (including Dick Cheney) does not make the average American feel any better about his job security or his health care.

    As for counting the increase of benefits are increased compensation, just remember that when health insurance premiums are rising vastly faster than inflation, the fact that companies are paying more for them does not mean that Americans are getting more value out of them. We get the worst health care results of any industrialized democracy in the world, but spend more per person.

  • “Rights, like repsect are not freely given, nor should they be–they are EARNED.” – Ben

    Dumb, really dumb.

    Rights are recognized because you would not want others to take that right away from you. Freedom of Speech? It’s not really a right you have if you would deny it to others.

    How can someone Earn the right to freedom of worship? Do they have to pass a religious test you set up?

    Or is the irony of that lost on you?

  • I’m surprized that in all the very good arguments presented here to refute JRS jr’s (not to be confused with JRS, who is much more sensible) twisted logic, nobody mentioned this little fact:
    35 yrs ago, the majority of middle/working class women stayed at home, minding children. If they went out to work, it was because they wanted to, because a single paycheck was enough to support a family. Now, women from the same general class and age *have to* go out to work, even if they don’t want to, because even with two paychecks it’s hard to support the family of the same size.

    I get really mad when I read all those rosy economic reports which tell me how much higher the “family income” is now than it used to be. A) it’s not twice as big (which it should be, with two people working) B) Expenses are more than twice what they used to be.

    As for your home equity having increased so nicely… Not only can you not eat the walls (as several people have pointed out), it’s like the Welsh rabbit recipe… “First, catch your rabbit.” My son’s been working — in a well-paid job — for the past 8yrs (ever since leaving college) and saving as much as he can. First, his savings took a dive, because they were invested in Mr Bush’s economy; they’ve not yet recovered to the pre-00 stage. Second, due to the housing boom, the minimum he’d have to put down on a house has been rising steadily. So getting that first house and your vaunted equity is as much of a pipe dream now as it had been 8 yrs ago.

    JRSjr, you are either soft in the head (as MNProgressive has suggested), or else you have no honor. To be a shill for the b…..ds is beyond shame. Pfui.

  • From an Op Ed in today’s Bloomberg which nails the arguement… Keep spinning your story re: the econom,y for your party of choice folks… Needless to say, the data shows the economy in pretty good shape… not great, but by no mwans the dire picture you are trying to create.

    From Amity Shales, Bloomberg News Columnist:
    …Charting consumer comfort — a version of consumer confidence — back in the 1990s, pollsters from ABC and the Washington Post broke out responses by party. They found that Republicans were generally more satisfied with the buying climate and the economy than Democrats or Independents. But all three groups marched together. Everyone’s comfort level bumped steadily higher over the course of the 1990s, without regard to who sat in Washington.

    That unison began to break up this decade. Republicans said they were comfortable with the economy; Democrats and Independents said they weren’t. The gap widened in 2002 and has stayed wide. This suggests that Republicans are hyping their econ-responses in order to help their party, and Democrats are doing the opposite.

    In the Mix

    Of course, Democrats are often lower earners, so maybe they have reason for dissatisfaction. But another ABC/Washington Post chart suggests politics are really at work.

    Polled only on their personal finances, Americans have given just about the same response from 1991 to now. They are vaguely positive. Asked about the state of the economy in general — or something that can be blamed on politicians — the average citizen gives wildly varying answers. The stock market, GDP growth and interest rates were all in that mix. So was politics.

    The politicization of economics is especially evident in the blogosphere, where supposed economic Web sites are really about economics and politics advancing the agenda of one or the other party.

  • I think JRS Jr. just said that if you were rich, you’d be happy with the Bush Economy, but since you are poor, of course you are not.

    Clever observation, that.

  • Of course, Democrats are often lower earners, so maybe they have reason for dissatisfaction. But another ABC/Washington Post chart suggests politics are really at work. —JRS jr.

    OH MY GOD YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Is it politics that drive the costs of housing , food, fuel, and healthcare out of sight? Or is it corporate greed and indifferent government policy? I guess you just discount all low income workers, because they are Democrats. You are again not very well informed. Sadly many low income workers are Republicans but vote against their own ecconomic interests because they are the “values voters.”

    Most honest ecconomic data report that there has been a tremendous transfer of wealth from the lower and middle classes to the very wealthiest of Americans in the last five or six years. All of the Bush policy has worked towards that aim. If, because of tax cuts and lack of regulation and accountability, support is withheld from vital services, and a family needs those services, what do any of us do but pay more? That is why so many middle class families are in serious debt. You may skew some statistical report, but those of us who are trying to feed our families and pay our bills are experiencing something different.

  • Of course, Democrats are often lower earners — JRS Jr, @27

    Wonder why, given that Dems are usually better educated than the Repubs (we’re the elitists, remember?). And given that repubs — including yourself keep claiming that the lack of a highschool diploma or GED is all that keeps the poor, poor…

    I hope that, one of these days, you’ll trade that stale pretzel for a real heart

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