Thursday’s Mini-Report

Today’s edition of quick hits.

* A new Michigan/Florida compromise seems to be gaining traction in Democratic circles. Under the scenario, the DNC would halve the votes for all of the Florida delegates, giving Clinton a net gain of 19, and the popular vote from the state would count. Michigan, meanwhile, would be split 50-50. The new magic number would be 2,118.

* Tragic: “The number of Army suicides increased again last year, amid the most violent year yet in both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Two defense officials said Thursday that 108 troops committed suicide in 2007, six more than the previous year.”

* Hmm: “Perhaps the biggest revelation from Scott McClellan’s bombshell book about his time at the White House is that President Bush directly authorized the leak of Valerie Plame’s identity.”

* Speaking of McClellan, the former press secretary also revived the controversy surrounding Bush’s alleged cocaine use. “The media won’t let go of these ridiculous cocaine rumors,” he quotes Bush as having said in that conversation with a political supporter. “You know, the truth is I honestly don’t remember whether I tried it or not. We had some pretty wild parties back in the day, and I just don’t remember.”

* More McClellan news: “Congressman Robert Wexler (D-FL) called for former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan to appear before the House Judiciary Committee to testify under oath regarding the devastating revelations made in his new book on the Bush Administration’s deliberate efforts to mislead the American people into the Iraq War.”

* Mike Turk, who served as the eCampaign director for Bush’s 2004 campaign, said it’s unfortunate that McClellan is “getting savaged for saying what everyone knows to be true.”

* Better than nothing: “The U.S. economy grew at a faster rate in the first quarter of this year than previously thought, the government reported Thursday, further muddying the question of whether or not the sluggish U.S. economy is now in recession.”

* After all this time, you’d think Condoleezza Rice could talk about Iraqi WMD coherently.

* Our very own Carpetbagger regular, best known as “Prup,” has a fascinating item over at Mark Kleiman’s place on a certain religious right powerhouse using some extraordinary and inflammatory rhetoric. Take a look.

* We talked earlier about CNN’s Jessica Yellin feeling corporate pressure to be more pro-Bush before the U.S. invasion of Iraq. This afternoon, she clarified her remarks.

* I really wish news outlets would stop referring to Lieberman as a Democrat.

* I really wish news outlets were smart enough to know that John McCain never called for Rumsfeld’s resignation.

* Apparently, some conservatives believe McClellan’s criticism of his former colleagues is part of a conspiracy involving his publisher, The Nation, and George Soros. Steve M. seems to think these conservatives are nuts. I can’t imagine why.

* Interesting journalistic ethics question involving the WaPo’s Howard Kurtz.

* The Secret Service is not fond of the idea of McCain and Obama traveling together to Iraq. Go figure.

* Dahlia Lithwick: “Perhaps it’s the inevitable byproduct of the accusation that anyone who failed to support Clinton’s presidential bid has doomed feminism, but the claim that the doors have slammed on decades of future woman presidents is as maddening as the Olympics of Oppression that preceded it. The folks claiming we’ve allowed the presidency to slip through our fingers arrive at this conclusion by pressing the same flawed syllogism: The only viable woman candidate thus far has been Hillary; Hillary did not win; ergo there will never be another viable woman candidate.”

* Things have gotten rough at Number 10: “Gordon Brown’s latest comms offensive involves cold-calling members of the public who have written him letters, according to sources close to Downing Street. The initiative is said to be the brainchild of Downing Street chief of strategy Stephen Carter and is intended to ‘humanise’ the Prime Minister as his popularity continues to wane.”

* I can only assume that monkeys and their robots will soon take over.

* And finally, a quick word on polls and the presidential election. In late May 2004, polls showed John Kerry trouncing George W. Bush, with the Dem winning a whopping 327 electoral votes, 57 more than he needed to win. Needless to say, the polls changed as the year went on. Something to keep in mind.

Anything to add? Consider this an end-of-the-day open thread.

Congressman Robert Wexler (D-FL) called for former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan to appear before the House Judiciary Committee to testify under oath…

No holding back those book sales now. Testifying before congress will have copies flying off the shelf and keeps PR costs down. Anyone think taking an oath will stop Scott from lying to congress if he wants to? If only sodium thiopental were legal…

  • I can only assume that monkeys and their robots will soon take over.

    From where I sit, the monkeys have been in charge for nearly 8 years.

  • The wingnut’s hunt for Charles Payne has ended succesfully, or, depending on yer point of view, unsuccessfully.

    “Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there.

    For those who seek to minimize the horrors of Ohrdruf since it was a ‘work’ camp and not a ‘death’ camp, we have but one word: shame. Ironically, this argument has been made to us time and time again by various Holocaust-deniers and other pro-Nazi groups. We will let the testimony of survivors and veterans speak for themselves.”
    http://www.89infdivww2.org/

  • In late May 2004, polls showed John Kerry trouncing George W. Bush, with the Dem winning a whopping 327 electoral votes, 57 more than he needed to win.

    I sure do not remember this poll. I think I would have remembered a poll that showed SC, TN, GA, AR and WV as “barely Bush”. It was the only campaign I ever worked on, and I don’t remember anyone who thought WV was close to being in play.

  • Anyone else get the feeling Scotty might want to get some non-government issued security ASAP ?

    Seems as if he hit a couple sore spots. One can only hope Ari, Tony, and Dana are paying attention. Is it too much to hope for some magical domino effect. We all know Gonzo is broke and not real bright. Get that man a book deal.

    Welcome to the modern day republican party… where book deals carry more weight then Congressional subpoenas.

  • #4, what’s most depressing about that is that as each year passes, there are less and less survivors and veterans alive to do just that.

    And within 20 years, history could be completely rewritten (as many of the holocaust deniers have been slowly doing in the convening years).

    And with the youth of today being trained to think based upon whom they like vs. having any kind of ability to think for themselves, we, as a society are doomed.

  • A new Michigan/Florida compromise seems to be gaining traction in Democratic circles. Under the scenario, the DNC would halve the votes for all of the Florida delegates, giving Clinton a net gain of 19, and the popular vote from the state would count. Michigan, meanwhile, would be split 50-50. The new magic number would be 2,118.

    This result would be too generous to Clinton. She violated the Four State Pledge by campaigning, as defined in the Pledge, in Florida. If this compromise goes through then she’ll have been rewarded for cheating. A 50-50 split in both states is the only fair result.

  • *Better than nothing: “The U.S. economy grew at a faster rate in the first quarter of this year than previously thought, the government reported Thursday, further muddying the question of whether or not the sluggish U.S. economy is now in recession.”

    No, it’s worth than nothing. We are definitely in a recession and no amount of stimulus money from Georgy Porgy is going to change that.

    Look, I know there has to be no growth for a certain number of quarters before we are “officially” in a recession, however the slight growth of the first quarter of the year (and you can be damned sure it was slight) is not NEAR enough to counter second quarter job losses (Ford is not only closing factories here in Ohio, now they’re losing DEALERSHIPS!), income losses, housing losseses, gas price INCREASES, food price INCREASES and credit card companies and banks looking to screw over everyone they can with interest rate and fee increases respectively.

    Even I, as a layperson with the economic sense of flea can understand this. The White House, the press, Wall Street and whoever the hell else and no amount of spin can convince people that they have more money than they do and spend what they don’t have.

    I said this yesterday. People are refraining from extemporaneous shopping because THEY HAVE NO MONEY, not because of some bullcrap “consumer confidence” or “consumer sentiment”. And it is impossible to have confidence or be sentimental about what you don’t have. You simply do without.

  • damn – now we are going to get more 24/7 FDL-style “fitzmas” crap. Don’t get me wrong, important issue and justice needs to be served, but the 24/7 endless speculation for that blog was all wrong all the time.

    Yet somehow, they managed to covet that into an web award (yeah – I know those are mostly bogus anyhow). Suddenly we had “experts” – a circle of links that gave credibility to wild, always off-target” fitzmas!

    Just goes to show you the power of a circle jerk of hyperlinks – I just hope we have a more rational dialog this time around. The rightwing noise machine got a lot of mileage out of ridiculing the fitzmas crowd which made it possible to “catapult the propaganda” that it was “much ado about nothing.”

  • RE 8: I agree – the Obama campaign (and the DNC) should not be so trusting of the Clinton campaign at all. Be fair and reasonable in doing what can be done to seat the delegates from each state in some manner, but stay firm and enforce the agreed-upon rules. To me it’s not about the system, the process, or even the votes. It’s about the fact that both campaigns made an agreement. The Obama campaign should not be penalized (nor Clinton campaign rewarded) for the latter’s whining.

    I can’t help but wonder why the corporate media and even various blogging sites are consistently forgetting that both campaigns agreed that these states’ results would not be valid, as punishment for each holding their primary ahead of schedule.

    Yes I understand that these are both ‘battleground states’, and yes I get that it’s important that their delegations have representation at the convention. But I simply don’t see how compromising agreed upon rules in Clinton’s favor here benefits anyone in the future. As far as I’m concerned, giving her team even the most remote of what they ask for is cause for them to drag things on.

  • re 8: Why get hung up on fair? If giving her a net gain of 19 delegates will shut her up and make her go away, it’s cheap at the price, isn’t it?

  • Mathew – you think that Obama shouldn’t trust the gang that makes assassination the center of their campagn, 1 week after the hucklebee fiasco, enabling the mighty wurlitzer to catapult that meme?

  • sarabeth – I hope you are right, but the dishonesty here knows no end. I doubt that that’s the end of it – it will just give her another angle and she will proclaim it as “proof” that she is a victim.

  • Wonder when Bush is going to fire himself for leaking Plame’s name?

    What an unmitigated, lying, sack of shit.

  • You really ought to move up the point about polling this far in advance of an election. Whatever the story about Kerry and Bush, look back to Reagan/Carter — running even near the end. Polling data now about a November election is not informative.

  • “…President[*] Bush directly authorized the leak of Valerie Plame’s identity.”

    My impression at the time was that the revelation of this authorization seemed reversed engineered to avoid the idea that Vice President* Cheney leaked this on his own initiative. I’m not saying that this was the case, but I thought that this scenario is consistent with the documentary evidence.

    CNN has reported that Hon. Sen. Clinton claims that if enough people turn out to vote a give her the expected margin, she will have achieved a majority of the “popular vote.” I am very skeptical; does this include MI, FL and exclude caucuses?

  • I look forward to seeing the comments Hillarious’ letter to the super-delegates gets. And wonder what Keith is going to do with the first cable news interview with McClellan.

    And, btw, that piece of mine IS worth checking out — not because it’s by me — I’m really publicizing a story that’s been out there for over a year — but because it deserves to be better known.

    (And yes, Cubby, I do sometimes have a high opinion of myself, but this one I’m realy proud of.)

  • 12: I don’t think it would make her go away. Rather I suspect the opposite.

    13: I assume you are being sarcastic.

    But seriously …

    My gut instinct on this is that conceding anything to the Clinton campaign regarding MI and FL will only embolden them to keep going. I honestly believe she’s not going to stop unless the DNC declares it over, and the remaining superdelegates endorse.

    My hope is this occurs right after the last set of primaries next Tuesday.

  • I really think Hillary plans to take it to the convention for a floor fight no matter what happens Saturday or next Tuesday, since it’s obvious she won’t win by Tuesday. Apparently she’s already handing out her post-primary schedule to reporters.

    When asked for comment, Clinton spokesman Jay Carson looked past Tuesday’s primaries to the general election.

    “There are a lot of places for us to go between June 4 and November,” Carson said.

    Regardless of what happens Saturday or Tuesday or even with all the super delegates voting, it won’t be good enough for her since she doesn’t win. Her ONLY chance is to convince the delegates at the convention that she should get the “votes” cast for her in Michigan and Florida, while Obama gets his Florida votes but none in Michigan. She’s essentially said, “Tough shit” that he took his name off the ballot.

    Obama plans to go into full GE mode after Tuesday, and you’d think that would give her pause. She may or may not do that herself, but I think people will fall away from her in droves if she continues campaigning about the campaign itself and continues to attack Obama.

    =====

    OT, these kids must have had a good time making The Young Hillary. Enjoy!

  • Regarding the leak of Plame’s identity, I read McClellan’s remarks as saying that Bush authorized the leak of the NIE. It’s not clear that McClellan is saying that Bush authorized the leak of Plame’s identity. Hopefully some reporter will ask McClellan to clarify.

  • “Perhaps the biggest revelation from Scott McClellan’s bombshell book about his time at the White House is that President Bush directly authorized the leak of Valerie Plame’s identity.”

    Ha! Told ya years ago!

    But it was an easy call: Bush is a hard-nosed, mean, son-of-a-bitch, torturing prick.
    He’d throw liberals in concentration camps if he could.

    Along the lines here is another prediction:

    Most of the people who comment to liberal blogs, and the bloggers themselves, have been spied on by the US Govt. Our phones have been tapped. Our internet visits are being snooped. How do I know this? Bush is a hard-nosed, mean, son-of-a-bitch torturing prick who thinks the constitution is just a piece of paper. Follow the evil logic…

    It will all come out in a couple of years.
    And in case I am not around to say it when it does come out…
    I will say it now:

    Ha! Told ya years ago!

  • 20: That leads me to wonder …

    What are the remaining Clinton donors thinking? Yes her campaing is under a mountain of debt, but somehow she is still going. It’s clear some group of donors – who are providing just enough funding – either are:

    1) backing her in order to delegitimize Obama’s nomination by any means necessary;

    2) or they are seriously deluded by whatever Clinton has told them.

    Any other possibilities?

  • Isn’t it ironic that there are actual specimens of a supposedly “morally superior” race (or so they’re taught to think) as are, for the most part, poor, ignorant (perhaps deliberately) and easily-influenced, yet all the while expected to regard themselves as “privileged” and to “use whatever means necessary” to defend their “antient and pecuilar rights, privileges and powers” based solely on arrogant pride?

    And Another Thing:

    Suck it, Mr. “Boycott France”, if you know what’s good for you….

  • Yellin didn’t clarify anything. Rice is an idiot…calls food for oil an economic sanction against Iraq rather than an exception to the economic sanctions. If you didn’t believe he had WMD then why would your force food for oil sanctions on him rather than knowing it was an exception to economic sanctions so regular Iraqis could get food and not be punished by Sadam’s militarism.

    Look at how many are trying to bash McCellan…the entire republican right entourage has answered the whistle call.

    Tony Perkins is secretly calling for assassinations of interracial relationship parties as well as Jews, gays especially, with secret symbolic message that God blesses them for doing so. Even uses the words …”in case the media is present…” then uses an example from the old testament about Phineas and their self proclaimed God approved priests (murderers). Tony Perkins from the Family Research Council…calling for murder…dpm’t tell anyone…just do it…God will bless and reward you…and they allow this man on TV?

    How could you not know if you tried cocaine? In Texas there is a little bar that claims Bush jr. used to snort lines off the bar….before God got him off drugs and alcohol.
    You can sober up a drunken horse thief but in the morning you still have a horse thief…whose still AWOL in a time of war.

    If Scott McCellan testifies under oath before congress that Bush authorized the outing of Valerie Plame then Congress will be forced to impeach Bush. Scott will have accomplished what millions of us have been trying to do the past 7yrs and couldn’t get done. It is the 2×4 we can hit Pelosi in the head with. Yeah, I agree that he better get some good security immediately if he will be used to bring down this corrupt regime.

  • I have to agree with SteveW (21): Was Plame’s name in the NIE? If so, why? But then the other question is what from the NIE did they leak? Bush authorized the leak to Judy Miller, but she didn’t print anything.

  • Mathew

    Dick Morris also is asking questions about the source of Hillary’s money, bringing up Bill Clinton’s library income again. That income wasn’t included in Hillary’s tax return.

    But to be sure, I don’t know where her money comes from. She’s long since maxed out her big-time spenders and she doesn’t seem to be raking in enough money from other individual contributors to begin to cover her costs.

    I thought maybe the Clintons planned to absorb the costs of her campaign themselves and just continue on their money-making path, primarily through Bill’s activities. But if he’s taking in money with promises to donors about rewards from the White House, when she loses, they’ll be out a LOT of money they couldn’t hope to recoup.

  • If giving her a net gain of 19 delegates will shut her up and make her go away, it’s cheap at the price, isn’t it?

    Agreed. More importantly, it takes away the GOP talking point that the Dems disenfranchised the voters in those states.

  • Doesn’t anyone want to know why Obama did not have his name on the Michigan Ballot? O.K. Michigan did the same thing Florida did right? They changed the date of the primary election knowing very well it was wrong and violated the rules in progress.

    American Democrats should demand to know the details from the convention as to why both states openly violated the rules. It’s obvious the Republican’s had total charge of the violation in Florida. Is it possible the same is true for Michigan? Did some Democrats respond as Republicans in Michigan? Again are there those in the Michigan political line up really Republicans parading around as Democrats. Are these “Lieberman Bother’s” the very Obama-cans we all are learning about? Is that why Obama removed his name from the ballot? Sheesh why would any candidate do that?

    Why would Obama take his name off the ballot? Did Alice Palmer have a hand in that? Did Obama have the necessary documents to qualify for the ballot? Is Mainstream Media being honest about this? Likely not.

    This is interesting, likely those delegates must vote for the candidate that won the most votes in their state. So, Pelosi must vote for Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry must vote for Clinton and so must Bill Richardson. Or it looks like the list of Judas is growing. And all those delegates in those Electoral College states that Hillary won must vote for Hillary too. Sheesh it looks like Hillary was wining all along only Chris Mathews and the rest of the gang has convinced America Hillary has no hope win, when in fact Obama has so much political vile coming at him the Republicans are waiting for the slaughter.

    If anyone out there knows the politics of Chicago, get ready for a master blast of creepy stuff we never thought was out there. Obama will be so off message Obama will likely wonder if he will be able to get re-elected in Illinois let alone be a presidential candidate. What really will hit home is a complete turn around for the Republicans. Actually Obama is a gift that will keep giving to take back the majority and get rid of all those who pledged nomination for Obama. This is as slick as it gets and a win, win for the Republicans.

    My sense Hillary would rather not run with Obama because Obama is bad baggage.

  • Interesting interview with McClellen on Olbermann. He answers some questions but skirts on others. Hope you’re watching. It repeats in many markets in about an hour and a half.

    As for why Obama pulled his name…most dems did.

  • “…President Bush directly authorized the leak of Valerie Plame’s identity.”

    Behold—the Treasonator!!!

    Applications for the positions of Aggressive Interrogation Specialist, Sadistic Baseball Bat Wielding Guard, and Gallows Technician are now being accepted.

  • if you can’t remember whether or not you ever did coke… than must have been some REALLY good stuff!

  • “My sense Hillary would rather not run with Obama because Obama is bad baggage.”

    Piss my pants LOL.

    I’m not sure if you’re serious or not but damn you’re funny.

  • “Congressman Robert Wexler (D-FL) called for former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan to appear before the House Judiciary Committee to testify under oath…”

    What’s that old lawyer line about never asking a witness a question you don’t know the answer to?

    I would be VERY careful with McClellan. It’s unlikely that he has any substantial proof to back his allegations — thus, Rs on the committee will be able to cast doubt on anything he says using any number of bullshit grounds. I doubt he’s going to say anything about Plame and the NIE that he didn’t already say to the grand jury. And I doubt that anything he says with regard to the lead-up to war leads anywhere because there really isn’t anything new here — in which case the Rs will cry “witch hunt” and “old news.” And they may be right.

    I’d love to see BushCo held accountable for their crimes — I just don’t see McClellan as being useful beyond reminding the world what scum we’ve had in the WH.

  • “Perhaps it’s the inevitable byproduct of the accusation that anyone who failed to support Clinton’s presidential bid has doomed feminism, but the claim that the doors have slammed on decades of future woman presidents is as maddening as the Olympics of Oppression that preceded it. The folks claiming we’ve allowed the presidency to slip through our fingers arrive at this conclusion by pressing the same flawed syllogism: The only viable woman candidate thus far has been Hillary; Hillary did not win; ergo there will never be another viable woman candidate.”

    Hillary Clinton has done for feminism what she did for universal health care: set it back 20 years by her thorough incompetence. I would have had no problem whatsoever voting for any woman for president who ws intelligent, competent, ran a great campaign, was right on the issues and personal judgement, and who got there on her own, rather than through a strategic marriage with an asshole no matter how powerful. In other words, one of the many female politicians with the similarinternal qualities of Obama. Hillary Clinton is the embodiment of everything false and chauvinistic in “boomer feminism.”

    Hillary Clinton hasn’t lost because she’s “the girl everybody ganged up on.” She lost because she’s the moron who valued loyalty over intelligence, talent and ability, because she is an inveterate liar, and because she is incompetent. None of those “crimes” have anything to do with gender.

  • How in the world can Obama possible want the votes of those racist deluded evil-absolving and old-school” feminist” Clinton supporters? Who needs those kind of “people” on your side? Isn’t there a new coalition, or something?
    Rhetorically speaking, of course.

  • Beep, John Dean pretty much said the same thing on Countdown. Additionally, it’s too late for impeachment (fuck you for that one, Pelosi).

    Sad…so very sad, for our country and our future. Allowing these criminals to get away with all this crap sets the worst possible precedent for the future political head aspiring to become Emperor.

  • Interesting journalistic ethics question involving the WaPo’s Howard Kurtz.

    Sheri Annis is also a long-time far-right Republican “button woman” (like the “button man” position in the Mafia). Like I said yesterday, how do good Jewish boys like Howie end up marrying one of this generation’s Ilse Koch’s???

  • “Why would Obama take his name off the ballot?” — Megalomania, @29

    Because, traditionally, it had been “the done thing” — the right thing to do — when the Dem party imposed that kind of punishment? Obama was not the only one to have taken his name off the ballot; everyone (but Clinton and, I think, Kucinich) did. And they tried to take their names off the Florida ballot as well but it was too late.

    “[…] likely those delegates must vote for the candidate that won the most votes in their state. So, Pelosi must vote for Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry must vote for Clinton and so must Bill Richardson.” — Megalomania, @29

    Nope; they do not have to vote the way their state voted. They’re supposed to exercise their best judgment in respect of what’s best for the party and the country. In fact, in the early stages, when Obama’s campaign suggested that the representatives ought to “follow the will of the people”, it was the Clinton’s campaign that objected most vociferously.

    PS. A little known fact: megalomania is one of the side effects of late-stage syphilis (vide Henry VIII of England). You should have seen to that problem long ago. Unlike in the 16th century, we no *can* treat and cure syphilis, if it’s caught early enough. And, unlike the 19th century, we no longer use mercury (which only made matters worse) to do do it

  • MsJoanne… If you’re feeling that way, here’s a ray of hope I ran across yesterday…

    Bush’s laws will be scrutinized if I become president, Obama says

    If elected president, Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama said one of the first things he wants to do is ensure the constitutionality of all the laws and executive orders passed while Republican President George W. Bush has been in office.

    Those that don’t pass muster will be overturned, he said.

  • Does John Edwards get delegates in the Florida compromise?

    He did get 14% of the vote. Hillary got just under 50%. Given the trend of Edwards delegates to date, Florida could end up split 50-50 no matter what plan they choose.

  • The secret service cannot tell two sitting Senators that they cannot take a fact-finding trip to Iraq. It isn’t their job to tell people where they can travel — just to protect them when they do.

  • The nomination is made at the convention, not by Nancy Pelosi or any other Obama supporter, including the man himself, who HuffPo says has declared the start of the general election before the nominating convention has met. Whatever happened to our democratic process? Have we become some kind of banana republic going through the motions of choice?

  • Things have gotten rough at Number 10: “Gordon Brown’s latest comms offensive involves cold-calling members of the public who have written him letters […] — CB

    Here’s another way Brown is trying to save his butt: UK has capitulated and became the 111th country to sign the ban on clusterbombs treaty. As per usual, US is showing its strong commitment to the overriding principle of its foreign policy: arrogance. It’s (vaguely) interesting to note which countries we’re keeping company with on this issue…:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/world/europe/29cluster.html?ref=todayspaper

    MsJoanne, @41,
    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it turned out that “that” is, indeed, at the root of all Bush’s (and ours) problems.

  • libra, nor do I. How else could you forget whether you snorted a boatload of coke and screwed whatever would allow you to (SHUDDER). Doubt he walked away unscathed.

  • I apparently hadn’t properly understood the meaning of compromise until the Clinton team explained what was meant by a fair compromise over Michigan and Florida. Now that I’m better informed, I think that I can propose an even fairer compromise for her.

    Now, Mrs Clinton is clearly extremely unhappy when she doesn’t get exactly what she wants, and I hate to see her unhappy, so I’d like to propose the following compromise over the controversial delegates. First, we give all the Michigan and Florida delegates to Clinton. She won most of them and she wants the rest and she feels entitled to them and it’s clearly an important deal for her, and as she said, if Obama had really wanted them he’d have campaigned for them. Also, again, I really can’t stand for her to be upset, so she gets them.

    By the same token, however, since she has said that caucuses don’t count, she should give up all her caucus-derived delegates from Texas and Nevada. We’ll give those to Obama, because he looks really sharp in a cowboy hat. Likewise, she also gives up all her delegates from Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and New Mexico, because they are small states, and, as she has said, small states shouldn’t count either. We’ll give those delegates to Obama because she was happy to disenfranchise those votes by either ignoring them or having the superdelegates overrule them, and because as Clinton says it’s tragic when votes don’t count. Maybe Obama can do something with them to make those voters feel more appreciated. By much the same reasoning she also gives Obama her shares of Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, the Dakotas, Kansas, Nebraska, the Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi, because they don’t count because they are red states. Lastly, we must take away all her delegates from Iowa and New Hampshire, because she won those under false pretenses (the four-state agreement, which she has since renounced). Those don’t count for anyone, since those voters were clearly wrongly informed about her intents, and there’s no way of telling how they would have voted if they’d known she was lying.

    This seems more than fair to me, so I’m happy, and Wolfson gets even more than everything he asked for, everything in fact that the Clinton team have called significant except New Hampshire, so they should be very happy.

    /snark.

  • Thanks to “The Wells” (@48), it is now abundantly clear that Senator Obama is now, indeed, the Democratic Nominee for President of these United States of America.

    Mary, here’s a crumpled package of “vanilla” creme cookies as a consolation prize for your “scary-black-dude-o-phobia.” I declare you—and your candidate—and her philandering husband—to be both renounced and rejected.

    On a different note, “food for oil”—in contrast to the comment @25, WAS/IS a sanction. It prevented (and continues to prevent) Iraq from pursuing the idea of shifting oil from USD to Euros (the same reason why the Bushylvanians and the Nikita Khrushchev look-alike, McPhony, want to invade Iran), and it kept the vast bulwark of Iraqi oil that was being transported to move in one direction—the US—when it might have gotten a better price elsewhere. It also locked that Iraqi oil in at an artificially-depressed price—again, to the detriment of the Iraqi people.

  • Every ime I hear McCain toalk about Obama’s lack of foreign policy experience I wonder who he thinks are making those decisions for Bush…why it’s Condi Rice and everytime I hear some white biggot make a racist remark about not putting in a black man I wonder who they think is Bush’s closest advisor and instrumental in making most of the policy decisions? Why it’s Condi Rice. So a black man isn’t good enough to run the country but a militant, religious war mongering black woman is?

  • The Clinton campaign apparently doesn’t expect smooth sailing tomorrow:

    The Clinton proposal — which now faces tough, if not insurmountable, odds at the Saturday, May 31 meeting of the Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) – would give the New York Senator 55 more delegates than would go to Obama.

    The alternative of either halved votes or halved delegations would net Clinton only 20 or so delegates, depending on the details. Obama could afford to concede a 20-plus delegate gain to Clinton without endangering his overall delegate advantage.

    Harold Ickes, Clinton’s chief delegate hunter, warned that there may be some defections among the 13 RBC members who have endorsed Hillary. If Ickes and his allies cannot hold all their troops in line, a motion before the RBC to seat all 210 Florida and 156 Michigan delegates with a full vote each would face certain defeat.

    If defeated at the RBC on Saturday, the Clinton forces are expected to file an appeal to the Democratic convention credentials committee and possibly, failing that, to the full convention.

    One of the publicly unstated reasons that Clinton is remaining in the race is to be positioned to step in immediately in the increasingly unlikely event that damaging new material emerges about Obama. In such an event, retaining the right to force pre-nomination fights over credentials becomes crucial to a delaying strategy to allow any conceivable controversy to gain momentum.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/29/ickes-at-the-alamo-clinto_n_104228.html

    And I’ve seen vague references (unsourced) to a Hillary “secret” that she believes will do Obama in before November.

    Yet her delaying strategy doesn’t make sense. If something happens to destroy Obama’s candidacy, the Convention could select Hillary even if she’d suspended her campaign.

    It appears that she could lose ground tomorrow, yet keep going based on God knows what. Where will she get the money? Nothing about her campaign lately has made an iota of sense.

  • I think enough has already been revealed about Obama to knock him out of the race. If Clinton knows about something lurking in the wings and hasn’t said anything about it, then she is not the “anything to win” sort of person everyone has been characterizing her as. McCain won’t be so dainty about it.

    If Dems know about something then certainly Repubs do too. Their best interest is to save their ammo until right before the election, when there is insufficient time left to address the problem and do damage control.

    You’ve got to ask yourself why so many superdelegates are still supporting Clinton when supposedly everyone knows the election is over except her? Why are so many people continuing to vote for her and donate to her campaign? Why did Feinstein come back on board after a one-on-one with Clinton, after declaring publicly that she should end her campaign?

    If Obama is being dishonest about something in his past (or present) and leaving this as a bombshell to destroy the campaign in the Fall, he is the one who is putting personal ambition above the good of the party and the good of the nation.

    I don’t have any idea what might be out there. I found the Rezko associations troubling, but apparently those have not concerned the media or the wider public, so presumably it is something else. However, there is too much that doesn’t make sense without there being an “October Surprise” lurking behind the scenes. When Clinton says she is staying in because Obama cannot win, I’ve got to take that seriously coming from the wife of one of the most talented politicians in history.

  • It appears that she could lose ground tomorrow, yet keep going based on God knows what. Where will she get the money?

    She won’t, she isn’t, she can’t. This is what’s known as brazening it out. She is poison to donors now, and she won’t have the funds to continue much longer.

    I’ve got to take that seriously coming from the wife of one of the most talented politicians in history.

    A very telling phrasing.

  • Beep52: Thanks for finding that Reuters quote. I’d seen the same story, but had forgotten to note where it was.

    Joey (at #25): Thanks for checking out my piece — and it really doesn’t matter that you didn’t reference my post, since it was really Adele Stan’s story to begin with. But two points, please:

    If you are going to tell the story, get the details right. I was very careful not to ‘go beyond my data.’ and to give the sequence in order. You got a few things wrong that can be used to dismiss your rendering of it.

    Let the facts do the talking. Especially when you are dealing with someone with a Teflon reputation, the calmer you are, the more you are likely to be heard. (The person is more likely to be moved by the facts, than by your indignation over the facts.)

  • And I’ve seen vague references (unsourced) to a Hillary “secret” that she believes will do Obama in before November.

    That, too, is brazening it out. If she had anything significant to use against Obama, does anyone doubt that she’d have used it long ago? What about the way the Clintons have behaved during this campaign would lead anyone to think that either of them has a basement, ethically speaking?

    When Hillary endorsed the Republican nominee over her Democratic opponent, all bets were off on how low she’d go to put her own interests over the party’s. That was the uncrossable line, the action that drove former admirers away by the millions, and it will appear in the history books as the day that she killed any chance at the presidency.

  • Maria

    I’ve got to take that seriously coming from the wife of one of the most talented politicians in history.

    A very telling phrasing.

    Yep, quite an honest slip of the tongue, I’m sure. Hillary wouldn’t even be campaigning if she hadn’t been the wife of Bill Clinton. She certainly hasn’t run on her own merits. She simply doesn’t have any except for determination — I’ll give her that.

  • Yep, quite an honest slip of the tongue, I’m sure.

    There have been several lately, including her astounding reference to our “success in Iraq.” Either she’s now willing to fully embrace and argue for Republican atrocities if she thinks it’ll score points against the hated usurper Obama, or she’s not a Clinton supporter at all. And then there’re all those academic psychology texts she’s been quoting lately…curious…

    Perhaps “If someone seems too crazy to be for real…” is a proper variation on “If it seems too good to be true…”

  • “I’ve got to take that seriously coming from the wife of one of the most talented politicians in history.”

    And its logical corollary, Laura Bush is dumber than a bag of hammers, English appears to be her second language, and every word she says is an outright lie. Martha Washington had false teeth, and Pat Nixon was a crook!

  • If Bush authorized the leak, then he should be tried for treason.

  • Not a slip of the tongue — having 24/7 access to a master politician is an important resource — as Hillary was to Bill during his terms. Referring to Bill Clinton as one of the most talented politicians in history is not my phrase, but is a pretty widely held opinion.

    Came across this quote today: “Never give up, never give up, never give up.” — Winston Churchill

    Saying that Clinton relies on her husband for advice and leaping to “she has never done anything on her own” requires an astonishingly large brain fart.

  • “If Obama is being dishonest about something in his past (or present) and leaving this as a bombshell to destroy the campaign in the Fall, he is the one who is putting personal ambition above the good of the party and the good of the nation.”

    if mary is being dishonest about her pictures showing up on various porn sites, and leaving this as a bomshell to destroy left blogistan, she is putting her desire for personal publicity above the literary needs of the carpetbagger report and the good of it’s readers.

    gosh, unsubstantiated statements work that way, too!

  • Referring to Bill Clinton as one of the most talented politicians in history is not my phrase, but is a pretty widely held opinion.

    LOL–Until 2008 it certainly was. These days, talk about the Big Dog centers on what a massive fuckup he’s been on the campaign trail and how far down his approval rating has gone. The words most often used to describe his stump statements: “embarrassing,” “sad” and “bewildering.”

    The Clintons are finding out, as you are, Professor, that people unable to evaluate changing circumstances and adjust accordingly will be left behind. It’s not unusual in people your age. But it’s always unfortunate to see.

    Anyway, we take your “point,”: When it benefits Hillary to be married to Bill, you run with it; when it doesn’t, you huff about people making women into extensions of their husbands. It’s always win-win down your rabbit hole, Alice!

  • The divisiveness of Hillary Clinton is leading some of her supporters to have emotional hatred of Barack Obama and his campaign. Some of this hatred can be assuaged by the time of the GE, but a lot of it will not be. People who would otherwise vote Democratic will vote for McCain, even though they would otherwise support the position of Obama on most of the issues. This will be an emotional reaction rather than a logical one, and it cannot easily be turned around.

    Many people see this happenening, which is why they are calling for Clinton to stop. Of course, she has the right to continue to campaign, but it appears as if she has settled on a “kitchen sink” strategy of trying to bring down Obama by whatever means necessary. She will not stop the personal attacks and trying to drag Obama down as a less-than-credible candidate. She is focused on the gains that she can make this week, and is oblivious to the larger picture of the good of the party.

    We need to learn from past elections that harsh attacks in the primary create a drag that pulls down the party in the GE. Every time there has been a contentious Democratic primary season, the Democrats have lost in the GE. Can she continue to campaign without these attacks that drag down the party? It doesn’t seem to be in her nature to do so. It is on that basis that people are calling for her to step aside, and let go of her failed campaign.

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