Tillman stonewalling

In recent years, Pat Tillman’s death in Afghanistan has gone from being tragic to suspicious to scandalous. As you probably know, Tillman, a former NFL star who retired from football to become an Army Ranger, was killed in Afghanistan in 2004 and his death was quickly seized upon for public relations purposes. In fact, the Army said Tillman was killed by enemy gunfire when he led his team to help another group of ambushed soldiers.

That wasn’t true — Tillman died as a result of friendly fire. The Pentagon knew better, but was reluctant to say so. In March, we learned, “Just seven days after Pat Tillman’s death, a top general warned there were strong indications that it was friendly fire and President Bush might embarrass himself if he said the NFL star-turned-soldier died in an ambush…. The memo reinforces suspicions that the Pentagon was more concerned with sparing officials from embarrassment than with leveling with Tillman’s family.”

What’s more, it took five weeks for Tillman’s family to learn about the incident, in part because, “within hours of Pat Tillman’s death, the Army went into information-lockdown mode, cutting off phone and Internet connections at a base in Afghanistan, posting guards on a wounded platoon mate, and ordering a sergeant to burn Tillman’s uniform.”

In April, the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform held a hearing on the issue, and heard U.S. Army Spc. Bryan O’Neal explain that he was told by a higher-up to conceal information. It led the committee to request materials from the White House and the Pentagon describing how and when the administration learned the circumstances of Tillman’s death.

Yesterday, the Bush gang delivered its answer: No.

The White House has refused to give Congress documents about the death of former NFL player Pat Tillman, with White House counsel Fred F. Fielding saying that certain papers relating to discussion of the friendly-fire shooting “implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests.”

Reps. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) and Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), the leading members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, objected to the refusal yesterday in letters to the White House and the Defense Department.

Waxman and Davis are clearly annoyed by the developments. They’ve scheduled another hearing for Aug. 1, after which, they’ll probably consider subpoenas. (In their letter to Fred Fielding, Waxman and Davis said, “We would like to avoid a confrontation over these documents, if possible, but cannot accept the deficient production the White House has provided to the Committee.”)

Stay tuned.

Clearance to engage in such clearly illegal actions always has to come from the very top. No officer will stake his career on something like this without clearance backed by a SIGNATURE from higher up. This goes AT LEAST as far as Rumsfeld, possibly as far as Cheney.

  • What would you expect Bush to do? Why are they shooting BB’s thinking he will shrink from the strategy because of sheer numbers? They will do anything to plug the holes in this earthen dam they built in criminal haste because they correctly perceive it as a mortal threat.

    Dems have to get focused on ONE issue and hammer it home
    until it reaches SCROTUS (sic).

    Anyhow, it is appropos that they should have this dropped in
    their laps as they gave us this idiot in the first place.

  • White House counsel Fred F. Fielding saying that certain papers relating to discussion of the friendly-fire shooting “implicate Executive Branch confidentiality interests.”

    Hold on: How common is it for the EB to get involved with friendly fire incidents? I guess the real question is how common is it for a pResident to quickly seize on any misfortune to make himself look like a swell guy.

    And the military wonders why their recruiting numbers come up short. “Join now kids. You might get shot by your buddies, your commanding officer will burn your uniform, your president will use your lifeless body to make a jingoistic speech and then lie to your mom and dad about what happened to you!”

  • President Bush might embarrass himself if he said the NFL star-turned-soldier died in an ambush

    This is off-topic, but it reminds me of Giuliani’s short shrift to responding to the Vitter revelations. All he said was, “Sometimes people disappoint you,” not, “I had no idea this went on, and if I did, I would have told him it was wrong, and I do not support anyone doing this.” Did Rudy know it was going on at the time, and tailor his statements to avoid a lie that might be exposed in the future?

  • Something is very wrong with the military in general and with the Army in particular. Who here has heard of some weapon the Army was working on developing that was obsoleted while they developed it, but they kept pouring money into it, or had a bunch of design problems, or was (in addition to not working right) way more expensive than it should have been- raise your hand. Good, I thought it was everybody.

    It really seems sometimes our military has just as many incompetents as it does capable people in command.

  • There no scandal here. What difference did the 5 weeks make? Dead is dead. People die in war. Not that infrequently from enemy fire. Unless there is some reason to think it was deliberate, let it go. The political scrambling is just that. Distasteful, but not criminal.

  • Waxman and Davis requested… Waxman and Davis objected… Waxman and Davis are clearly annoyed… Waxman and Davis scheduled another hearing… Waxman and Davis would like to avoid a confrontation…

    Waxman and Davis sound like hopelessly ineffective fools. Meanwhile, BushCo has committed dozens of new outrages. Try to keep up, Waxman and Davis.

  • Enemy=friendly. As WoFat said, he who shoots me is not my friend.

  • Unless there is some reason to think it was deliberate, let it go.

    Well, I guess the fact that they tried to cover it up makes that more likely. Also, the fact that he would have made a great spokesman against the war since he was: 1) a football star 2) a genuine hero 3) an Army Ranger 4) an experienced combat troop 5) photogenic/intelligent, and he was in fact turning against how the war was being run. If he decided to go public with his feelings about the war, not only would people have listened, but he would have been able to be persuasive, and it would destroy the Republican illusions that every red-blooded, brave type would doubtless support them (even the stupid ones like Bush) in every little decision they made, no matter how stupid.

    So the Army, war supporters, and the Republicans (who are disporportionately represented among, or at least disproportionately get to influence, the military, and who are disproportionatley represented among war-supporters) wou;d have reason to wish that Patrick Tillman did not exist.

  • This is OT but since we’re not getting an open thread today:

    I’d intended to say this earlier, but didn’t get around to it- I stuck up for Cindy Sheehan when she was criticizing Democrats before, but in light of her recent behavior, I no longer think she is worth supporting and I feel I was fooled by her. I think Democrats should just ignore her.

  • The Tillman case is proof positive that Republicans in general are just a pack of lying hypocrites. They constantly try to use the soldiers as props, and attack Democrats at every opportunity for “undermining morale” and then when their boss gets caught using a dead soldier as a prop, they act like we all ought to move along and fogettaboutit.

    Well fuck you, Republicans. Tillman was a very honorable soldier, and he called your war illegal.

    They used to have war crimes trials for people who started illegal wars. Too bad we probably won’t get any for this bunch.

  • “Too bad we probably won’t get any for this bunch.”

    We won’t if we don’t dog them to death for the next 5 years.

    Hammertime!!!!

  • The Tillman coverup story surely is one of the top three most rotten Bush/Cheney WH examples of truthslay,perversion of and conceal of fact and circumstance. Why was doing what was right,respectful and fully honorable and dignified not done regarding Pat Tillman?

    The Bush/Cheney WH should receive no quarter regarding its conduct of deceit and wanton truthslay regarding Pat Tillmans death and what took place around it having happened from day one onwards.

    If the DC DEMS cannot train a devastating cascade of exposure and light of day on the Bush/Cheney WH over incidents such as the Tillman coverup and conceal WH conduct then the DC DEMS really ought to just get out of DC and go sell cars,mow lawns or find a malljob.

    As for George Bush…stop with that smirking and acting like you are not responsible for what has taken place or takes place within your WH. You fully are. Took an Oath for it. Did your parents fail so badly with you?
    Some humility and nobility of character surely would be refreshing for a change. Some honesty and remorsefulness. Some decency for a change.

    G.W.Bush…a “Great American”…. pathetic.

    And impeachment was “taken off the table” for what reason DC DEMS?
    Seeing some firm,fully backboned conduct on your part would be quite refreshing as well. You want to be in DC,collect pay check amounts and very generous benefits many Americans will never see or experience?
    Then earn them. Do your job.Or get the hell out.

  • Not this week, Racer X. But stay tuned. They can’t be tried until after the war is over, so it drags on to their complete satisfaction. Got to end the war to get these guys.

  • Even if this is just a case of covering up an unfortunate incident so the American public won’t prematurely abandon support for a necesary war effort, the Army seems to be forgetting that this is a democracy, and what that means. I think that the Army has too little faith in the American people and their ability to judge whether a war is justified or not while sitting in the safety of their homes thousands of miles away from the action. Doubtless a lot of American civilians are more intelligent than and would be better at making military decisions than the guys in the military if they have access to all the relevant facts. The American people should be able to have good, real news so they can decide whether to support the war or not. The true story of how Tillman died, whatever it is, is nothing like disinguous anti-war propaganda.

    Hokey military guys who may be pretty dumb do not need to be so paternalistic over all of us.

  • ‘Well, I guess the fact that they tried to cover it up makes that more likely.’

    Maybe; your scenario is plausible, but not of itself convincing. The political motives, sans murder, are equally plausible. When Bush takes a piss is classified. If it was the execution of such a fine patriotic man, who would do it? If the average GI would do such a thing(I refuse to believe it), our troubles transcend resolution.

    We won’t get Bush on this in any case. Mostly what I dread is dragging haunted GIs through public hearings.

  • The talk on San Francisco’s KGO last night had to do with the fact that it is very uncommon for the EB to bother with friendly fire, much less go all secretive about it. Mistakes happen in war and it makes the EB look all the more concerned if it opens up immediately. There was some suspicion that the cover-up may have been due to Tilman’s having become disgusted with what he saw or heard there and appeared to be ready to go public with his concerns, i.e., a “top down” case of ordered “friendly fire”. Why else immediately burn Tillman’s uniform and notebooks? It just isn’t part of the usual response to friendly fire, and the continued WH stonewalling isn’t helping to alleviate the suspicion.

  • The non-stop invocation of executive privilege makes me wonder if there’s anything about this administration that can stand the light of day.

  • Tillman being in Afghanistan makes it a whole different situation as well. Nobody objects to our being there. Tactics are always open to discussion, When you find a soldier always (maybe even usually) happy with those let me know.

  • but not of itself convincing.

    Why? There’s certainly enough incentive, for some individuals, to want to take care of one guy if they can expect they’ll get away with it.

    who would do it? If the average GI would do such a thing(I refuse to believe it),

    Hey, anybody would do that. The world is full of people that would kill somebody for no other reason than remuneration, or similar trifling reasons, and it always has been.

    The army has no method or process to screen such people out, that I know of.

    troubles transcend resolution.

    Not so. What you do with a murderer is just prosecute ’em and lock ’em up. If the truth is like what I described, than the responsible people are murderers, not heroes, and any national-security based rationale they think they have is a farce.

  • Tillman being in Afghanistan makes it a whole different situation as well.

    Yeah, but the thing about Tillman (which everyone will remember) is he rejected the President’s rationale for going to war and claimed the war (I think in Iraq?) was illegal.

  • GAH!! There is no reason why all the nation’s national-security based decisions should not be made exclusively by people who make all of these decisions solely by reference to anaologies to their experience in sports, “faith,” and similarly completely unrelated sources of know-how! All of our most important decisions should be made solely by emotional, irrational, racist blowhards!! There is no reason why any person with a 140 IQ would make better decisions ever about war than a person with a 117 IQ!!

    You can tell I am tearing my hair out and screeching like a baby while I am typing this comment!

  • Mostly what I dread is dragging haunted GIs through public hearings.

    Ah yes. The poor haunted soldier. He can go through shit a civilian can’t begin to imagine, but he’ll fall apart if you ask him questions that might shed some light on the way another soldier died. (I’m not sure where you get “dragged,” other than an excess of drama.)

    And what about, the soldiers who will be “haunted” until they get some answers? I guess they ought to StFu to avoid some unseemly display of the truth.

    If that doesn’t make an impression, consider this: The only way any organism or organization can avoid repeating a mistake is to learn from it. For an organization like the military that means sitting down, figuring out what the hell happened, talking about it and figuring out how to keep it from happening again. Telling everyone to button up and burning the evidence just paves the way for more Kevin Tillmans.

  • ‘Hey, anybody would do that.’

    Band of Brothers was more than an HBO series. Maybe you would, but I wouldnt. For politics about another war? Not a chance. This was before the war(s) became so unpopular also.
    There was very little mileage to be made off Tillman by the left. As conspiracies go, this one has no legs at all. I’m not sayin it couldn’t be, I am an agnostic after all.

  • Information lock-down, destruction of evidence, stonewalling, and failing to do anything that might let us learn from experience.

    This is getting to be a pattern

    (I’m being sarcastic, not recognizing it for the first time.)

    The process of issuing request that get ignored and moving on to subpoenas looks slow and ineffective, but it’s the right strategy. By all means argue against the Bush administration to Republican supporters to soften them up, but change is increasingly more likely to happen as subpoenas and contempt charges pile up. We aren’t likely to get a tsunami of disapproval, but we can build up a glacier of disapproval that Republicans and Bush will find equally hard to resist.

  • The tradition of executive privilege was not intended to allow the President’s advisors to engage in criminal conspiracy.

    I defy Fielding to offer one hypothetical scenario in which there could be a claim that something about this incident legitimately needed to remain private.

  • I suspect he was about to pull a John Kerry, and with much more publicity simply because of all the hoopla about his going in. When word got up to some two- or three-star (further than that would be invisible to any of us) word came down “from the highest quarters” ordering Tillman’s immediate removal. The “friendly fire” gambit seemed, at first, easier to pull off than turning him into a “disappeared” somewhere in a gulag (from which it would have always been possible that word might have leaked). End of story … unless Congress finally grows some balls.

  • It really seems sometimes our military has just as many incompetents as it does capable people in command.

    Unofortunately, a quick study of American military history going back to the Revolutionary War will reveal that the “competent” military leaders have been vastly outnumbered by the other kind from the beginning. As career officers I have known going back to WW1 vets have commented to me over the years, there is an inverse ratio between rank and competency past O-6 (Colonel/Navy Captain). I know just in the four years I was in, I saw that clearly, most particularly 43 years ago next month during the so-called “Tonkin Gulf Incident” where the Admiral in charge of the force the Maddox and Turner Joy were a part of (Patrol Forces 7th Fleet) was an incompetent drunk (who was drunk the first night of the incident).

    My old friend the late David Hackworth called them “The Perfumed Princes of Versailles-on-the-Potomac” and he was right.

    They all learn to protect each other’s asses to the outside world at the three Trade Schools (while they’re backstabbing each other internally in a manner far worse and more pernicious than you’ll ever see with girls in high school).

  • King George is gettin’ good at this tyranny stuff, ain’t he?

    Pretty soon he might even try his hand at issuing edicts to the American peasantry.

  • Band of Brothers was more than an HBO series. Maybe you would, but I wouldnt. For politics about another war? Not a chance. This was before the war(s) became so unpopular also.

    When I wrote ‘anybody’ I didn’t mean everybody or me; I meant the type of person who would do it is almost common. What’s unrealistic is claiming that no one would do it, or no soldier out of over 100,000. Out of the whole United States and out of the whole world there are plenty of people you could find to do something like that.

    By the way, comment #23 was supposed to be a parody comment- I meant to sign it with a parody Republican-type name, but my comment got eaten by the website, and I forgot to change my usual handle after I pasted my comment and re-posted it. So that’s why it doesn’t sound like me.

  • The Republican party is so full of complete assholes that the idea that you couldn’t find one of those assholes to murder Patrick Tillman is insane.

  • You know how and when I knew there was a Tillman cover-up? When I saw a headline/story saying that *NINE* people had been reprimanded for failing to provide accurate, proper information to the right people in the aftermath/investigation – and the story added that it wasn’t a cover-up.

    Of *COURSE* it’s a cover-up.

  • There no scandal here.

    Other than the government disinformation that officially lied about this incident to the american people for a couple of years or so (paid for with our tax money), and would have continued if it could have been safely swept under the rug. No, no scandal here…

    What difference did the 5 weeks make? Dead is dead. People die in war.

    What difference does it make if dishonorable men abuse the military so they can strut around in a codpiece on an aircraft carrier? I’m sure all those dead people (especially Mr. Tillman) would be thrilled to have their sacrifice utilized by the Empty Flight Suit in order to promote activities they were diametrically opposed to. Almost as much as their loved ones do once they’re gone.

    Not that infrequently from enemy fire. Unless there is some reason to think it was deliberate, let it go.

    All those dead Katrina victims? Unless there is some reason to think it was deliberate, let it go.

    All those untried, uncharged, innocent civilians that were arbitrarily rounded up and Gitmotized without any recourse or hope of parole? Unless there is some reason to think it was deliberate, let it go.

    All that torture that was done by the military on behalf d “keeping america safer”? Unless there is some reason to think it was deliberate, let it go.

    For some strange reason I have doubts as to whether any of these government activities on the people’s behalf were intentional or not.

    The political scrambling is just that. Distasteful, but not criminal.

    Comment by Michael7843853 G-O in 08! — 7/14/2007 @ 6:03 pm

    Perhaps you could save some of that distaste for the Republican’ts who have dragged america into these quagmires, instead of insisting that we should all STFU and move along, there’s nothing to see here about yet another abuse of the government by an illegally installed unelected usurper..

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