Time’s Stengel wants Dems to be forward-thinking

We talked on Monday about a depressing media display: a four-minute discussion on The Chris Matthews Show about the prosecutor purge scandal with four powerful media figures from leading news outlets, all of whom treated the controversy as a big joke.

Perhaps the low-point of the segment came when Time managing editor Richard Stengel explained his own perspective on the scandal. “I am so uninterested in the Democrats wanting Karl Rove, because it is so bad for them. Because it shows business as usual, tit for tat, vengeance,” Stengel said. “That’s not what voters want to see.”

Now, we already know that Stengel’s take on public opinion appears to be misplaced, but his comments about the controversy — and his disinterest in it — caused something of a stir. Time’s Ana Marie Cox, to her credit, took issue with her boss’ on-air comments and sought out a response from Stengel. Demonstrating the kind of transparency and accountability that’s often lacking in major media, Stengel actually responded.

In reading your reaction to my comments on Chris Matthews, I realize that I’ve been caught out speaking as a citizen rather than as editor of Time. Lord knows, the Democrats going after Karl Rove is “interesting” in an objective way for Time and for journalists in general. It’s hard to overstate Rove’s role in this administration and it would certainly create yards of headlines and good copy if the Democrats manage to get some traction.

But as a citizen, I think it’s unfortunate and perhaps short-sighted for Democrats to be perceived as focusing on the past rather than the future. If people see the Democrats as obsessively concerned with settling scores, that’s not good for the Democrats or the country. And I would make the exact same statement about the Republicans if they were in this situation. Meanwhile, the next time I’m on Chris Matthews, I’ll muzzle my citizen’s thoughts.

Now, I give Stengel a lot of credit for replying to questions. He could have very easily said, “I’m the managing editor of the nation’s largest news-weekly. I don’t care about bloggers’ criticism.” But he didn’t, instead choosing to explain himself. That was the right call.

But at the risk of sounding picky, I’m afraid his explanation is flawed.

Dems should avoid “focusing on the past rather than the future”? Generally, that’s not a bad idea, but in this case, the administration launched an unprecedented purge of U.S. Attorneys in December. If congressional Dems launched a series of hearings about unanswered questions about Bush’s Harken energy scandal, I’d agree with Stengel’s sentiment. But this just happened.

His argument brings to mind a similar response I had to David Broder most recent column: what would the media establishment have Dems do? Confronted with evidence of the Bush administration obstructing justice, selectively enforcing the law, and lying about it, what’s the “reasonable” course of action for Congress? Would Stengel and Broder prefer that Dems just overlook the matter? To hold an administration accountable for its conduct is necessarily to look backwards?

Also, I’m having a hard time understanding what Stengel is referring to with the notion that Dems might be “obsessively concerned with settling scores,” by virtue of their interest in the purge scandal. This is a complete misrepresentation of what’s transpired to date. Dems aren’t “obsessed”; they’re asking reasonable questions in response of evidence of wrongdoing. They’re not “settling scores”; if they were, why are so many Republicans asking the same questions Dems are?

Finally, this isn’t so much a criticism as an observation, but Stengel raises a good point about pundits on TV wearing multiple hats. Here was the managing editor of Time announcing his disinterest in the nation’s biggest political scandal. It’s alright, though, because he was “speaking as a citizen.” Well, that’s not quite right — he was introduced and identified for viewers as the editor of Time.

But it points to a frequent problem in today’s media: neutral political reporters at non-partisan news outlets like to go on TV, let their hair down, and share their opinions. As soon as the segment ends, they take their pundit hat off and put their journalist hat back on, and hope the public can make the distinction.

As the Stengel example makes clear, it’s a problematic dynamic.

Yes, like the US Attorney purge, which occurred, what, 9 weeks ago, and onthe Dems watch, is so, so far inthe past.

And as many of the commenters at Swampland have noted, Stengel’s position on investigating and focusing on the past (1993-2000) was, remarkably I know, 180 degrees what it is now.

  • “But as a citizen, I think it’s unfortunate and perhaps short-sighted for Democrats to be perceived as focusing on the past rather than the future.”

    For my money, I think the Democrats ARE focusing on the future: letting Bush and cronies get away with thwarting the democratic process and spitting on the Constitution will just encourage the next right-wing totalitarian scumbag that he can do the same.

    One could very well argue that our whole problem with Bush has its roots in the fact that Nixon was let off the hook, because Ford felt that there was no use crying over spilled milk and gave him a pardon.

  • while i think this investigation needs to go forward, i would hesitate to say there isn’t any score-settling going on. i hope it is more of the former…

  • The distinction is even more stark. The reason they bring him on the show is so that they can have the imprint and views of the managing editor of Time. If they just wanted the views of citizens, I am always free and willing to go on one of these shows at a moment’s notice. His excuse is a crock.

  • Stengel is clearly unaware that Rove is orchestrating the latest “kick the US in the balls” strategy RIGHT NOW.

    How about the Democrats thinking forward to the next two years? That’s a significant chunk of time in the future when Rove and The Puppet and Darth Cheney can continue to gut the U.S. Treasury and wreck the military and domestic programs. Isn’t that “forward thinking”?

    How soon until we hear an apology from Stengel? This one seems to have blown up in his face if his own staff isn’t buying his line of B.S.

  • I wonder how many of these talking heads said the same thing about Whitewhater, or the impeachment. They are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

  • Yes, let’s not focus on the past.

    And while we are not focusing on the past, let’s also not play the “blame game” if there were any crimes (obstruction of justice, perjury, etc) committed.

    Besides, we know that most of them are “born again” and the Lord has already forgiven them.

    This searching for reponsibility is so pre-9/11.

    Get over it.

  • “One could very well argue that our whole problem with Bush has its roots in the fact that Nixon was let off the hook…”

    Comment by gg — 3/28/2007 @ 10:35 am

    That argument could be made with great confidence because so much of Nixon’s cadre are still floating around in this fetid soup.

    RepubCo wants the world to wake up every day with a fresh and curious perspective as to what wonderful thing they will bestow upon us today.

    Focusing on the perpetually F**ked Up Idiot’s that they have shown themselves to be is the only way to demonstrate that they will continue down that path, (dragging the world along with them), until Hell freezes over.

  • Keep in mind, this isn’t just about the past. Karl Rove is all about the permanant GOP majority. These changes – made AFTER the ’06 election – are designed to help the Republicans in ’08. This has much more to do with the future in the past.

  • what this demonstrates to me is that the managing editor of time magazine is an idiot. how did he get the job?

  • Way to much buddy buddy stuff going on between the MSM and the Washington politicans. This is just another example and a good reason why the blogger’s are increasing readership at the expense of the MSM.

  • I’m sure if someone stole Stengel’s car, burned down his house, and shot his dog, he’d immediately forgive the offender and “focus on the future.”

  • If you check out Stengel’s response to Ana Marie Cox, you’ll find this comment by Winston Smith:

    ” ‘But as a citizen, I think it’s unfortunate and perhaps short-sighted for Democrats to be perceived as focusing on the past rather than the future.’

    “As a citizen, I am so effin sick of pravda level “journalism” and gross lies from Republican apologists. Mr. Stengel, your side has not yet been able to clear the record.

    “Here’s one of many cases where Republicans focsed investigations on a long ago minor and fabricated scandal instead of on obstruction of justice at the highest levels and you ate it up. Liar.”

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,983961-1,00.html

    Now, if you look at the linked article you’ll see how extreme Stengel’s double standard is.

  • When someone like Stengel runs for Congress and gets elected and becomes a member of the Democratic Caucus and accountable to the people, then and only then will I give a rats patootie as to what his or any other Beltway-type’s advice to the Democrats should be.

  • What’s truly disheartening is that Richard Stengel, speaking in whatever capacity he likes, skips over the part where the media has an opportunity every day to address and question on a contemporaneous basis the actions and policies and failures as they occur and develop, regardless of the party affiliation of those involved and regardless of which party occupies the Oval Office. He fails to acknowledge the oversight role Congress is constitutionally charged with – and seems puzzled as to why the lack of that oversight on the part of the Republican Congress does not eliminate the responsibility for future Congresses – including the current one.

    There’s a reason why Karl Rove needs to be dealt with, and it isn’t because he is a Republican with whom the Democrats want to get even. He – and so many others – need to be dealth with because they are destroying the democracy in order to accrue and solidify power and wealth.

    Richard Stengel may be totally bored by the notion of losing his freedoms, but those of us who are not will continue to applaud the return of stewardship in the interests of the people.

  • To be more accurate, this didn’t just happen, it’s happening right now: How many necessary investigations are not happening? How many unnecessary investigations are happening? How much damage is a politicized Justice Department doing to our democracy as we speak?

    Stengel’s opinion–and, apparently, that of much of the media establishment–is like the New Yorker cartoon after the 2000 election (paraphrased):

    Crook sits at a bar with a bag of loot next to him: “Yeah, it’s stolen. But it’s time for all of us to move on.”

  • I think the heart of the matter is his “as a citizen” excuse. Too many citizens of this country don’t care about important issues of the day, or believe what they are told regardless of truth, or are just plain too incurious to find out what is going on. “It has nothing to do with me” or “I’m just an ordinary guy/gal” is the feeling that fuels this attitude. I think the managing editor of one of the major newsweeklies shouldn’t be enforcing/cheerleading this “incuriousness” that has become the hallmark of the last 6 years. Look where it has gotten us.

  • Maybe it’s just a pique of jealously. Time magazine’s editor doesn’t think it’s a real story, because the mainstream media was aced by the blogs on it.

  • What Anne said.

    Our democracy is under assault, and Stengel is bored.

    I would add that “getting” Karl Rove would serve as a deterrent to the next Karl Rove (and you know he’s out there) so it’s not a worthless idea either.

  • Yep. Democrats might suffer the same grave consequences of overreaching as the GOP — control of all three branches of government.

  • After six years with no oversight the public expects investigations where warranted. It necessitates shinning the light of day on the administration’s past and present — possibly illegal — activities. Until the past is is dealt with, how can we move forward?

    Apparently some are convinced [brainwashed] that investigations indicate the dems are simply obsessed with settling scores. That is not true. It is astonishing that journalists lost their sense of critical thinking. Don’t they “get it” the WH does not want to be investigated. And accusing the dems of playing politics and “got cha” games are distractions from the issues. Unfortunately journalists continue to regurgitate the WH talking points and that makes the media just as culpable.

    Furthermore the press ought to understand Karl Rove is, at least in-part, responsible for deconstructing our Constitution. Moreover he has politicized every sector of the government. The USA firings, for example, have his fingerprints all over it. Politicizing the justice department compromises the integrity of the courts and corrupts law enforcement.

    The public understands this, why can’t the talking heads … especially news editors. One would think they are smarter than that. Perhaps they just forgot how to use their ability to critically analyze and assess situations with some degree of skepticism.

  • It’s also absurd to think that there is a likelihood that Democrats will come off as “obsessed” in the eyes of the electorate. Maybe Stengel’s been too busy chatting on TV, but there is plenty of polling that suggests that the American people want the Dems to be investigating, and that an important part of their November win was driven by just that.

    And, since so far every rock they turn over has unprecedented scandal lying beneath it, I have a feeling that it’ll be a long time before the public thinks the Dems are anything but serving the best interests of the nation. The idea that Democrats are in danger of appearing like Ahabs after the White Whale Moby Rove is simply absurd.

    Maybe Mr. Stengel is just worried about embarrassment, when people start wondering how all this crap could have been going on without some of it showing up in Time magazine a loooong time ago?

  • I got a question, did Stengel ever advise the Republicans to be “forward-thinking” during the Whitewater witch hunt? Or is this advice just for Democrats and scandals that are less than a year old?

  • Given the Repub record, Dems probably *could* focus on the future and jail them all now. Pre-emptive strike, dontcha know; it’s done all the time (vide Iraq Invasion).

    It is unfortunate that Dems prefer to rely on evidence and evidence is all in the past. Sometimes that past is 6 months ago, sometimes it’s an hour ago, but it’s always in the past.

  • I’m with Brecht on this. Stengel’s a slimy disingenuous patootie.

    I want to sound very picky:

    But as a citizen, I think it’s unfortunate and perhaps short-sighted for Democrats to be perceived..

    to be perceived ?? Who’s he kidding. Neat switch to passive voice, as if he, as managing editor of the nation’s largest news-weekly, has nothing to do with how people perceive anything.

    If people see the Democrats as obsessively concerned with settling scores, that’s not good for the Democrats or the country.

    If people see.. If..” – as if he has nothing to do with how people see anything. Come on, Sir, you’re whole F***ing existence is devoted to influencing how people see every goddam thing.

    You know, this is the knowing engineered contrived smarty-pants slimy disingenuous weasel slick-talk I MOST despise. I have nothing but disgust and contempt for a creature who twists and weaves and smooths his power of words to everyone’s detriment. He abuses his power and responsibility. He should know better than to insult us. He should be given no quarter.

  • To be fair, I believe immediately following that remark, Stengel added, “But as the editor fo Time Magazine, I pray to fucking God hookers were involved.”

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