Today’s the day on telecom immunity, FISA

After extensive wrangling and behind-the-scenes positioning, the Senate is poised to vote on a revised FISA bill, which, at this point, includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies that cooperated with Bush’s warrantless-surveillance scheme.

The White House has made its position clear.

Two months ago, President Bush made a strong argument for updating a law which oversees the government’s ability to engage in surveillance of Americans and non-citizens, which requires warrants from a secret court. He spoke of the importance to our nation’s security to have a bill ready for him to sign, so as to not “limit” his administration’s anti-terrorism activities. […]

But underneath this urgency was a threat: Even if Congress sent him an updated Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) bill with the provisions he said were required to pursue wiretaps of individuals with a minimum of judicial oversight, Mr. Bush said he would veto it if it did not also include an extraneous provision: immunity to telecommunications companies from liability for their past participation in the administration’s wiretaps.

Which, of course, brings us to our floor fight. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid chose to bring the Senate Intelligence Committee’s version of the bill (which has telecom immunity), instead of Senate Judiciary Committee’s version (which doesn’t). What’s more, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) placed a hold on the bill, which is supposed to prevent the bill from moving forward, but Reid is apparently ignoring the hold. (Reid also disregarded the request of 14 Democratic senators — including all four presidential candidates from the chamber — who implored him to bring up the SJC bill.)

It’s lead to a confrontation on the floor, which will include the first Democratic filibuster of the year.

Here’s what you need to know:

* Russ Feingold has a good TPM Cafe piece, criticizing Reid, and explaining the context of the debate.

By choosing the Intelligence Committee bill over the Judiciary product, Senator Reid has made things much tougher for those of us who think the courts — not Congress — should decide whether the companies deserve immunity. He’s also made it an uphill struggle of those of us who want more court oversight of the broad new surveillance powers included in the bill.

The first vote will come around noon, on the motion to invoke cloture (or limit debate) on the motion to proceed to (or consider) S. 2248. I expect to speak against the motion before the vote, and will post a link to my remarks after I make them.

We have a big fight on our hands, and unfortunately, the deck is now stacked against us. Instead of being able to defend improvements that were made in the Judiciary Committee, we are going to have to start all over again to try to salvage the good work that was done to improve the bill. This includes adding tougher court oversight and greater protection for the privacy of innocent Americans, and by stripping out the retroactive immunity provision. A vote on the amendment to strike immunity, which Senator Dodd and I will offer, could come fairly soon. We will be pointing out that under current law, companies already get immunity for cooperating with government requests for information — as long as the requests follow requirements that are clearly laid out in the law. If companies didn’t follow this law, and cooperated with illegitimate requests for sensitive information, then we should not hand them a “get out of jail free” card after the fact. Judges should be the ones to make this determination — and to rule on the legality of the warrantless program.

* Feingold also has a good “myths vs. fact” sheet on his site, including these FAQs:

Myth: Telephone companies should not be expected to know whether the government’s request for assistance was lawful.

Reality: Telephone companies have a long history of receiving requests for assistance from the government. In the 1970s, they worked with Congress to devise a law that tells them exactly which government requests they should honor, in terms that are clear and easy to follow. And they have lawyers who are well-paid to compare government requests with the requirements of the law.

Myth: If we don’t pass retroactive immunity, the government will lose companies’ cooperation in the future.

Reality: The immunity provision in current law gives telephone companies an ironclad defense if they received a government certification that meets certain clear requirements. It holds companies liable for complying with non-compliant government requests precisely because we don’t want the companies to cooperate with illegal government programs. Preventing that kind of cooperation, and protecting Americans from illegitimate government snooping, is one of the main reasons FISA was passed.

Myth: The bill’s immunity provision is appropriate given the heightened urgency and threat level in the immediate aftermath of 9-11.

Reality: The bill does not focus on the “immediate aftermath” of 9-11; it would immunize illegal conduct even if that conduct occurred five years after 9-11.

* And Dodd, who gave up campaigning today to work on this issue, delivered a terrific speech on the Senate floor:

“If this disastrous war has taught us anything, it is that the Senate must never again stack such a momentous decision on such a weak foundation of fact. The decision we’re asked to make today is not, of course, as immense. But between fact and decision, the disproportion is just as huge.

“So I rise in determined opposition to this unprecedented immunity and all that it represents. I have served in this body for more than a quarter-century. I have spoken from this desk hundreds and hundreds of times. I have rarely come to the floor with such anger.”

On Friday, Harry Reid said of the debate, “I’ll guarantee you right now, one thing that’s going to occur: not everyone will be happy.” At this point, it’s unclear if anyone will be.

Stay tuned for updates.

Update: Dodd will literally filibuster the bill if it includes telecom immunity. “He will speak as long as he can,” a campaign official said. “He will speak until he can no longer.”

Second Update: There was a cloture vote on the motion to proceed, which we lost, as expected. The vote was 76 to 10, which was probably not a good sign as to how the day is likely to go.

What the fuck is harry reid’s problem?

  • So—I guess Harry wants to be Darth Joe’s evil underling. Good job, Harry—you’re a frigging neocon newbie now.

    Yellow. Dog. Coward.

  • Funny how under Harry The Traitor, Democrats who are defending the constitution have to literally filibuster, but Republicans trying to rape the constitution only have to threaten to filibuster and Reid folds.

  • damn dems caved – this is sick.

    We no longer have a democracy when a smirking chimp with 24% approval rating dictates that the so-called “opposition” does despite the fact that the vast majority of Americans do not agree.

    America – RIP

  • Wow. How often has a member of a political party fillibustered a bill brought by his/her own party leader?

  • Harry Reid appears to be some kind of secret Bush mole or something. If he’s just accidentally tilting the table in Bush’s favor every time, it’s one hell of a coincidence and he’s obviously not up to the job he was given. He needs to be replaced, and if the Democrats want to avoid the growing restless clamor for a general housecleaning, they shouldn’t wait longer than today to do it.

  • whose side is harry reid on anyway? i’ve been trying to support him over the last year, but i’m finally sick and tired of his ineptitude. it’s time for a new majority leader.

  • Someone on Daily Kos suggests Dodd should be the Majority Leader.

    I’ve always thought this was Schumer’s destiny–he’s from a safe state, he has an instinct for the political jugular, and he loves the camera. (It’s only semi-requited, if that.) But I actually like the Dodd idea much better–I trust him much more than I do Chuck, and he’s got the gravitas for that job.

    For a long time, I thought Reid was a pretty good leader–he certainly ran circles around Bill Frist when we were in the minority. But he’s been awful this year, and this FISA business is disgraceful.

  • I’d really be interested to see the Carpetbagger (or someone) tackle a post on WTF is wrong with Harry Reid. What is he thinking? His relentless undermining of Democrats at every turn must deserve a post of its own.

    No wonder Democrats in the Senate are worthless when their own Majority leader doesn’t seem interested in working for the majority (however slim it may be).

    I’ve tried to understand Reid and I can’t. Is he really so naive that he thinks his actions are helping rather than hurting? Does he even care?

    Ignoring Dodd’s hold and filibuster threat (but cowering when Republicans threaten a filibuster), choosing the Intelligence Committee’s version over the Judicial Committee’s, ignoring 14 high-profile members of his own party. These are not passive mistakes being made. Reid is actively undermining our party, and he’s basically being given a pass by everyone but blog commenters.

    WHY IS HE DOING THIS???

  • Harry Reid appears to be some kind of secret Bush mole or something.

    76 to 10.

    My understanding is that there are 49 Dems and 2 Independents in the Senate. If we assume that Lieberman goes with the GOP on this one, that’s 50 votes in favor right out of the gate if we assume that all of the Republicans voted.

    That means that at least 26 Dems actively voted for cloture here – at least 26 voted to break Dodd’s fillibuster. That’s more than half of the Dem representation in the Senate. And I haven’t seen a roll call vote yet – was McCain there for the vote? Did all 50 “Republican” votes get counted, or were there Republican votes among the 14 who didn’t vote? If so, that pushes the number of Dems voting to let this continue even higher.

    I don’t think the problem is JUST Harry Reid, though his lack of leadership is appalling. Over half of the Dem representation wants to roll over and give the telcos immunity for spying on us on behalf of the Bush administration. That’s a problem with the Dem party, not just the leadership.

  • Why is Harry Reid still Majority Leader? His sole mission in the Senate seems to be waiting for the next opportunity to cave to the Republicans. If the man has a strategy it’s opaque to me.

  • Over half of the Dem representation wants to roll over and give the telcos immunity for spying on us on behalf of the Bush administration. That’s a problem with the Dem party, not just the leadership.

    Fair enough. But it would not have mattered had Reid brought the Judiciary Committee version up instead, had he honored a hold like he always does when it is placed by a Republican, and had he shown any deference to his own Presidential candidates one of whom will be the de facto party leader for most of 2008. Reid is still more to blame than anyone for this fiasco. All the 76-10 vote shows is that when their Majority Leader can’t protect them from the spotlight, the rank-and-file are so spineless they scatter like cockroaches.

  • Given all of the breathless, rumor-mongering, innuendo-laden, inappropriate junk that gets written weekly on Clinton, Obama, Edwards etc, I can’t believe no one is running a Mormon-over-party story that Reid is trying to help Mittens Romney.

    Because frankly, it is about as good an explanation as any other I can come up with for how on earth Reid is making decisions. It certainly isn’t to help his own party.

  • But it would not have mattered had Reid brought the Judiciary Committee version up instead, had he honored a hold like he always does when it is placed by a Republican

    Let me say up front that I agree with this, and Reid certainly deserves a heap of blame and scorn for how he’s acted as Majority Leader. And I hope that his complete ineptitude eventually leads to the Dems ousting him and putting someone else in the seat (wasn’t Dodd the second place finisher when the Dems had their last leadership shake-up?)

    Having said that, I think that Reid and a good chunk of the Dems in Congress WANT telco immunity to pass. They get a lot of money from the telcos, and they don’t want the GOP to get a lock on the support of the telco industry for the next few decades. So they WANT to get a bill that includes immunity passed.

    Now, had Reid been a smart leader who wanted to get the telco bill passed with immunity, he would have honored Dodd’s hold. He would have let the bill without immunity come to the floor and let the GOPers kill it with a fillibuster – or let Bush veto it. Then, when the bill inevitably goes down in flames, only then does he put pressure on Dodd to remove his hold and bring the bill that grants immunity out. Because by that point the narrative is that the bill “needs” to get passed before the sunset provisions kick in.

    Had he done that, Reid would have been able to foist the “blame” for telco immunity off to an intransigent Republican Party, the telcos would still get immunity, and the Dems would still get telco money – everyone wins. To some degree I’m glad that Reid is so hamfisted that he can’t pursue a more nuanced strategy – it lets it all hang out in the open who exactly is to blame for the mess.

  • That means that at least 26 Dems actively voted for cloture here – at least 26 voted to break Dodd’s fillibuster. That’s more than half of the Dem representation in the Senate.

    They would probably be the same ones who voted for the so-called Bankruptcy Reform Act. T-comm money, like all money, is these people’s only real motivator and they’re not about to let the best interests of America endanger the haul. Most of these Mandarin bastards would vote to legalize skull-fucking kittens if if the corporations told them to do so.

  • F**K YOU, Harry Reid. Long ago you showed great promise, but you’ve turned out to be a worthless piece of garbage. Did the corporations get to you? Cheney have compromising pictures or something?

    You and Pelosi are real pieces of work.

    Ugh.

  • This proves it’s just a mask Harry Reid is wearing. He’s not cowering when Repubs threaten filibuster…he’s playing along. When they say hold, he says ok. He just tells us what we want to hear till it’s time for action then goes with the republicans every time. War funding without conditions…NO NO NO…well ok. FISA without oversight and with telecom immunity…NO NO NO…well okay. I would love to slap Fienstein’s face but I wouldn’t know which face to slap. Rockefeller is the corporate mole and needs to put a big M after his name to stand for “Money” party.

    Reid should not be able to show his face in public after this. Going against his own party members, against the advice of our own presidential candidates, disrespecting a hold by his own party member when respecting all holds by republicans, against the majority of American voters and the majority of the democratic party, how can he ever expect to be held as honorable again. He is a traitor not just to the democrats but to the rule of law and the constitution. His actions are shameful and beyond disgust, and will NEVER be forgotten much less forgiven. He’s done more to enable and aid the republican party in the senate than McConnell has. Even McConnell would respect a hold placed on a bill by his own party member. There is no coming back from this …not for Rockefeller, not for Feinstein, and especially not for Harry Reid.

  • No more contributions for the DSCC, who seem to ask for a donation every week. Tell them why.

    It’s ridiculous that Republicans get better treatment from the majority leader than Chris Dodd does.

  • That means that at least 26 Dems actively voted for cloture here

    Let me update myself with a link to the vote over here.

    It was actually 35 Dems who voted FOR cloture. About 70% of the Dem representation in Congress voted to allow telco immunity.

    Of the 14 who didn’t vote 8 were Republicans, 1 was the only member of the “Joe for Joe” party, 4 were Dems (including 3 who were off running for President and couldn’t be bothered to come back and speak out against this criminal enterprise), and one was Bernie Sanders.

    Not voting is technically the same as voting “NAY” on a cloture vote, but I’m only feeling charitable towards Sanders right now since he’s spoken out against telco immunity and I was surprised not to see him on the NAY list. The GOPers knew they were going to win it, and the three Dem candidates who should have been showing leadership in the Senate and pressuring collegues to drop immunity altogether were out preening themselves before Iowa voters. They should be disgusted with themselves.

  • the three Dem candidates who should have been showing leadership in the Senate and pressuring collegues to drop immunity altogether were out preening themselves before Iowa voters. They should be disgusted with themselves

    I think that is unrealistic and unfair. There are 17 days to the Iowa caucus, including holidays. The race is, for all practical purposes, a 3-way dead heat and Iowa is huge in who will get this critical nomination. As I understand it from media here, the candidates may not even take Christmas Eve off – just Christmas Day (and even then ads may run and offices may be open part time). Reid had already hung them all out, why not keep their eyes on the all-important future? (and which would take the risk of giving up Iowa time when the others could undercut them?)

  • I think that Reid and a good chunk of the Dems in Congress WANT telco immunity to pass. They get a lot of money from the telcos — NonyNony
    Jay Rockefeller certainly does.

    It’s absolutely astounding that Reid honors republican holds on bills but ignores democratic holds, and democrats have to filibuster while republicans can just threaten one. Reid is incredibly unpopular in Nevada, and he’s up for reelection in 2010.

  • It was actually 35 Dems who voted FOR cloture.

    Even Kennedy and Leahy voted for cloture. What the hell?

  • I am pleased to see Harkin (D-IA) voted correctly.

    The Washington team is a bit of a mystery: Murray, who ran as one of the average folks, voted to move the immunity bill; Cantwell, who is from a related industry, voted to filibuster the immunity bill. Hmmm.

    As much as I would love to see Dodd as Majority Leader, it does not appear the caucus is particularly willing to follow him.

  • As has been pointed out, what good did it do to replace corporate Republicans with corporate Democrats? Tweedledum and Tweedledee, indeed.

  • And I hope that his complete ineptitude eventually leads to the Dems ousting him and putting someone else in the seat

    I wish Reid was inept, at least that would be an easy explanation. Everything I have read suggests Harry Reid is a very capable politician. He knows what he is doing, and I don’t think he makes too many mistakes. He just isn’t working for us or for the good of the country. In this case it’s pretty clear he is working for the best interest of the telecoms, and I’m sure you can find corporate benefactors for most of his other seemingly inexplicable actions.

  • Now, had Reid been a smart leader who wanted to get the telco bill passed with immunity, he would have honored Dodd’s hold.

    That would be true if more than a tiny fraction were outraged about the way it actually went down, but the media in general is doing their part by failing to cover the bill so there isn’t any reall need for good PR. Just like the bankruptcy bill, 90% of the public has no idea what just happened.

  • Find me a Dem who will run against these bootlickers and charlatans in the general election next year, and you’ll have shown me the candidate who gets my money and my vote. The excuse that Iowa is more important than the whole damned Republic is NOT acceptable; neither is this new political theology, this “Our Lady of Perpetual JackAssery” and its “papal pair” that couldn’t bother to take a mere day away from their caucus-collection/offeratory to DO THE JOBS THEY WERE HIRED TO DO!!!

    Damnedable Dem frontrunners—you’d think they were finalists in a national MTV ReThug Impersonator contest….

  • Mormonism and liberalism are pretty much mutually exclusive. Didn’t that occur to anybody when they chose Reid to lead the party? What on earth were they thinking? Clearly he’s a disaster from the viewpoint of most of the Dems who vote. The guy should be dumped before he can do any more damage. There, I’m so proud of myself, I wrote about Harry Reid without swearing!

  • Steve, @31,

    You’re hearing a-right. This, from Dodd, has just this minute thunked in my inbox:

    Majority Leader Harry Reid just pulled the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act from the floor of the Senate, only moments ago.

    What does this mean?

    Well, first, it will come back up again in January after the recess. We’ll continue the fight against ANY bill that includes retroactive immunity.

    As Chris Dodd just said on the floor, “If it’s not [stripped], I’ll be back here engaging in this very same effort.”

    Second, this is what leadership that delivers results look like. It’s been a while, but you saw it on display all day on the floor of the Senate.

    A leader who stands on principle. And a leader who can turn that principle into results.

    Finally, this is evidence of what grassroots advocacy along with real leadership can accomplish.

    We’ll keep up the fight in the White House, and I’m sure you’ll be there right by Chris Dodd’s side the entire way.

    We’ll have updates all night at ChrisDodd.com if you want to drop by and share your thoughts or send a message to Senator Dodd.

    They can hear us now,

    Tim Tagaris
    Proud to work for Chris Dodd for President

    P.S. I am sure Senator Dodd will want to thank you as well, so keep an eye out in your email box tomorrow.

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