Too focused on Connecticut?

TPM guest blogger DK raised a provocative point that I’ve been mulling over lately. I’d love to get some feedback on the argument.

Should progressives shift their money and attention from the Connecticut Senate race to more important contests? Absolutely.

Look, one of the Dems’ problems in recent years is an inability to walk and chew gum at the same time. Rove Republicans throw everything but the kitchen sink into various electoral strategies. They don’t worry if the strategies are inconsistent or even diametrically opposed. Some will work; some won’t. But you don’t know what will stick until you throw it against the wall. Meanwhile, Dems engage in agonizing strategy debates, looking for that one electoral silver bullet.

So I am all for multi-tasking: pay passing attention to the Connecticut race, while focusing with laser intensity on the races that will actually determine control of the Senate…. Rove may be goading Democrats into fighting like hell amongst themselves in Connecticut, but that doesn’t mean we have to take the bait.

My friend Alec Oveis made a similar argument recently, shortly before Lieberman’s primary defeat.

What disturbs me about this primary battle isn’t so much that some people want Joe Lieberman purged from the Democratic Party. That’s fine. What disappoints me is that this seems like a terrible waste of influence. Kos, Stoller, and Hamsher could have gone to Connecticut to help Democrats defeat actual Republicans. Instead, they’re there helping one Democrat defeat another. I understand that Lieberman sometimes serves a useful role for Republicans, but I’m afraid some bloggers and activists have lost sight of the real goal for 2006 — retaking the House — and in the process have made it more difficult to achieve.

What do you guys think? Is defeating Lieberman a key to taking back the party and establishing a precedent, or is the left investing too much time in the wrong race when we could be focusing our resources in Ohio, Montana, Missouri, and Virginia, as well as key House races? Or is this not an either/or situation, and Dems should try and do it all?

I don’t see this as either/or. We need to increase both the quantity and quality of Democratic voices on the national scene. Boltin Joe has wandered so far off the reservation, that I don’t even trust him to remain a Democrat should he win. At the same time, it’s a very good thing to be reminded that this is but one race of many that we need to win.
As for allotting resources, it seems to me that contributions to ’08 Presidential hopefuls are truly misspent at this time.

  • Lieberman is now the de facto “Republican” candidate in Connecticut, and his GOTV efforts and interest in his candidacy among Republicans will probably help the three Republican congressmen from Connecticut retain their seats.

    The Party establishment has had a lot of difficulty acknowledging two important facts. First, that Lieberman is a Republican, and has been for some time. Second, what is at stake is not just nominal Party power, but the character of the Country, the efficacy of the Constitution and the rule of law.

    For too long, the Democrats have recoiled from serious fighting, and they recoil even now. Chuck Schumer mistakes the passion of the irate moderates for a dimly remember ’60’s Left, and complains of moral arrogance.

  • “Is defeating Lieberman a key to taking back the party and establishing a precedent,…”

    A thousand times YES

    “… or is the left investing too much time in the wrong race when we could be focusing our resources in Ohio, Montana, Missouri, and Virginia, as well as key House races?”

    This question answers itself, I think. The very notion of “focus” implies a finite pool of resources that must needs be meted sparingly. I believe the left should aim at increasing the size of the pool. The spotlight on certain races serve to illustrate that need, and these races are examples that provide substance for notions of governance that may be only abstractions otherwise. They serve as banners to rally around, and, like battle flags, they are useful not only for maintaining morale but as a means of ensuring concert of action.

  • Atrios took a shot at Marshall’s stance…but then that’s pretty much all Atrios does……………

    The idea that CT is an all-or-nothing contest in any sense is wrong. It’s not critical, it’s not unimportant. It’s worth fighting for as much as any other seat.

    But consider the following:

    1) If Lieberman wins, he’s at worst a soft Dem who crosses party lines on occasion – which is what he already was. Put another way, we now have a CT race in which the choices are A) a soft Dem and B) a Dem’s Dem. What’s not to like?

    2) The question in CT is whether Republican voters are going to take the time to vote in November. If you were a Republican, would you bust your butt to get to the polls and vote, given the choices above?

    Given that Lamont hasn’t really gone on the attack yet, and given that the Dem machinery is still trying to get a fix on the race, and given that there’s no real Republican for the Republicans to get behind, I think this is a race that we can’t really lose no matter which way it goes.

  • The value of Lieberman’s enabler role over the past 6+ years is hard to overstate. Even running everything, the R’s need cover, and Lieberman provided it and then some.

    I think it was great that the various components came together for the CT primary; what else did they have to do in the runup to an odd Tuesday in August?

    Having said that, it’s all battles on all fronts now. There’s no backing down in CT against JL, but, you’re correct, the battle has to be fought on all fronts. I think forays such as that of Senator Edwards are invaluable, as they both undermine Lieberman and get national attention. But attention must be paid, and everywhere. ANY seat could be the swing seat in the House or Senate.

  • Focusing on stopping Joementum will be worth it only if the Dems back up other swing races. Slapping down Joe was a good start.

    However, it’s not about starting great, it’s about finishing well. Finish poorly and you give the wingnuts all the salvo to put down any challenges.

  • I’m not sure, even if he returns to the Senate, that Lieberman will be able to be the skunk he’s been of late. I think Americans don’t care for traitors and self-servers, and Joe certainly qualifies. Even if he retains his seniority and privileges, he’ll be chastened and, I believe, weakened.

    “Politics ain’t bean bag”, but neither is it a college essay, with pretty pink bows and the imprimaturs in place. I’m of the “throw in everything but the kitchen sink” school. (And I wouldn’t be reluctant to bonk somebody with that kitchen sink if would score even one Democratic victory.) As to using outright smears and lies in our mix of sound bites, perhaps I’d better just quote Prime Minister Francis Urquhart‘s aphorism that, “You might well think that; I couldn’t possibly comment” [smirk].

  • If you can really chew gum and walk at the same time, why haven’t you started walking? Keep chewing the Lieberman gum (chew with your mouth open if you have to) but start walking somewhere!

    This world is going to hell in a hand basket and you are standing around wondering not only which way to go, but if you should even start moving!

    The Lieberman/Lomont debate should be used in every area of the county as the first sign that the American public is becoming aware that Iraq is the exact opposite of the way that we should be fighting this “war on terror”.

  • If I had to focus the campaign energies of the Democratic party, I would work on taking back the House. At the same, spreading the battle out to nearly 435 seats as Dean and Emanual have done also thins out the GOP effort. Lieberman’s political behavior toward the party can only be described as extremely disloyal, bordering on traitorous. I’ll be pulling for Lamont in November.

  • It’s unfortunate we have to dedicate resources to putting down Lieberman’s betrayal, but it’s important to do, for several reasons.

    1. Whatever Lieberman’s personal reputation in CT and DC, he is now a turncoat. He is running against a duly selected Democratic senate candidate, and his candidacy is putting other races in jeopardy. Democrats badly need party discipline, and the Lieberman independent candidacy threatens this. He’s burned his bridges, and we need him to go down, hard.

    2. Yes, fighting him takes resources we ought to be using against the GOP elsewhere. That’s why they are backing him. Don’t forget, he’s using their resources, too. Putting down the Lieberman candidacy isn’t a sideshow from the battle against the GOP, it’s an integral part of it.

    3. Among the Vichy Dem/DLC types, there’s plenty of wink-and-a-nod support for Lieberman, even now. The people doing it are the same bunch who helped the GOP take power because of their spinelessness and opportunism. Defeating Lieberman means defeating these people as well, who, to my way of thinking, are nearly as responsible for allowing the rise of the GOP cabal as is the cabal itself.

    4. Those thinking that a victorious Lieberman would just go back to being a “soft Dem” post election are fooling themselves. He’s been a huge thorn in the party’s side this election, and he’s been rejected by his state’s Democratic voters. He’d be even more in bed with the GOP in his next term, regardless of who he is caucusing with.

  • Lieberman represents the Ruling Class of Incumbency, because he cannot accept that Connecticut voters rejected him. He wants to retain power, and I think all Democrats should get behind Lamont and carry him to victory. Lieberman also needs to be removed from all his Senate committees. Anything less will show that Democrats won’t fight for what it right. If Democrats cannot stomach a fight with Lieberman, then how can they defeat terrorists and the Republicans?

  • I think the benefits of defeating Lieberman have already largely been obtained. The tone of political discourse in this country has shifted. Democrats are emboldened (maybe they’re really scared of their constituents, but in this case it is the same thing).

    If Lieberman had not lost the primary, Democrats could have retaken one house of Congress (or maybe both), and it wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference. What is essential is to decisivly defeat rubber stampism, and it was critical to defeat it in the Democratic party first.

    People who say, “I’m afraid some bloggers and activists have lost sight of the real goal for 2006 — retaking the House” just don’t get it. The goal isn’t winning an election so a bunch of greedy corporate-owned Democrats can muscle the Republicans out of the catbird seat.

    The goal is changing America, and America isn’t going to change unless Democrats learn to become accountable to their constituents, not their big contributors and the Sunday talk shows.

  • How do we expect to take on Republicans in other states if we don’t challenge one of our own who shares and gives credence to their message?

    Lieberman last week said supporting the Dem position on Iraq would be lending support to Al Qaeda.

    What more would he have to say for the milquetoast DLC Dems to acknowledge that he’s not really one of us? And that he hurts us, not helps us?

    Also, Rove is determined to direct the media’s attention toward CT now, whether anyone likes it or not.

    It will be the marquee race this year. Let’s deal with that. Rove will try to draw symbolism and messages from it to create a narrative for all races around the country. There is nothing we can do about that now, except embrace it, and draw the real symbolism and messages we believe it represents.

    Based on the ratcheting down of Bush’s polling numbers since the British plane plot, this is a contest of narratives we can win.

    That is, if we’re up to the task.

  • shargash is right. The Lamont primary victory shows Americans want their country back and the Democrats better listen!

  • When one considers that Lieberman has, in effect, become a primary component of the enabling force behind the “myriad multitude of maniacal madnesses” our current “King George,” any path dedicated to removing the regal simian from the Oval Office must, as a matter of default, begin with removing Lieberman from office. He can no longer be counted on as a “soft” Dem; rather, he has become the Republican in a Dem-suit. That’s fine for Halloween, but the midterms are only about tricks-or-treats for those uberschweinen with unwavering loyalty to the Reich and its trough of obscene criminal gains—we get tricked while they get the treats. And, as I have commented before, I will divert money from supporting the Democratic candidate in Ohio to supporting the “True Democratic Candidate” in Connecticut—because the greater need at this moment in history is to shut down Rove’s prototype of the “Quisling Democrats….”

  • Absolutely correct! What is going on in left blogistan is a sad, sad, sad absurdity. More than 90% of the words written on left blogs these days are obsessed with turning a democrat seat in the senate into a … democrat seat in the house. Nothing in the world shows how utterly and completely strategically incompetent the left is more than this. I absolutely agree that Joe Lieberman is scum sucking right wing wanna be, but… if the winds blow left you can be sure that as day follows night Holy Joe would start blowing left too (pun intended). Is anyone going to start worrying about actually taking republican seats away? I have stopped reading firedoglake and dailykos entirely. They are a complete waste of time. They have no idea what is going, and are leading those who listen to them down a rat hole of irrelevance. Any post that starts off talking about lieberman is a complete waste of time.

    Kudo’s to this site for finally saying it. As I say, 90% of liberals are once again off on a complete wild goose chase. Jane Hamshire has talked about how she supported the war in Iraq and was wrong. Fine. I guarantee you a year from now she’ll be telling us about how she didn’t see this war (with Iran) coming, and oh, wups, now she’s against it. Except it’ll be too late.

    People get ready, there’s a storm a blowin’

  • Lieberman is the Democratic Senator from CT until January. I think he should be treated as such until then in DC. That’s all the respect he’s owed by the party. In the election in CT he is an independent. He should be fought as any independent challenging a Democrat would be fought. The Dems should let him know that there are no guarantees if he wins as an independent. They should announce that fact to the public. And they should support Lamont justlike they do all Dem Senate candidates who have a chance to win this Fall. My take on it.

    I think I understand the popularity of the political blogosphere. It’s some version of “the old lady and the kids don’t want to hear me spout off about politics”. 🙂

  • I like Lamont and I hope that he wins. There’s probably a reasonable number of Dems who voted for Lieberman who could be persuaded to switch to Lamont but Republican votes for Lamont will likely remain sparse no matter what, so Lamont will face difficulties pulling together an electoral majority, especially given that Lieberman precludes both major-party nominees from gravitating toward the center after the primaries.

    However, the Republicans aren’t in any better shape that the Democrats here. They have no love for Lieberman’s relatively liberal votes on many social issues, and they’ve got themselves into the position of spending time and effort on a choice that’s between a good democrat and a moderate Democrat with liberal social tendencies (even if he is a Republican enabler), because they otherwise have no credible candidate. The main thing going for Lieberman at present seems to be that Republicans like him because Democrats don’t like him. (Republicans are really good at the whole “enemy of my enemy is my friend” thing : http://www.yirmeyahureview.com/images/iraq/rumsfeld_hussein.jpg .) Thus, this election could turn on how many Republicans stay home in dismay.

    Therefore, the best thing that can be done at the moment is to give appropriate support to Lamont, but to say nice things about Lieberman’s liberal voting record and to announce that there are worse things than having the more moderate of two Democrats win an election. That’s true, if you think about it a bit, and it would probably deflate republican support for Lieberman, which would help Lamont.

    It is not in our interests to force him into the arms of the Republicans. Nonnetheless, pray that he doesn’t become the swing vote in the Senate next year.

  • I see a few of the above posters mentioned Rove.

    Good.

    To which I would like to ask:

    Why is Rove supporting Lieberman both covertly and overtly?
    And… is there a reason why Rove would like to shine a spotlight on the CT election?

    There is the obvious answer: A dog fight amongst democrats is good for republicans.

    But I think there is a deeper reason:

    The country itself is having a dog fight over Iraq. Better that the dog fight should center itself within the Democrat party rather than within the Republican party.

    Why?

    Because the public’s perception will be that the Republicans are unanimously decided on Iraq, and that their unanimity reflects their overall toughness on terror.

    So it is better, according to Rove, to have the argument within the context of the Democratic party. Better because that argument, with all its spit and fury, will erode the public’s trust in the Democrat party. And better to have all this happen in 2006 rather than 2008.

    Rove may not be smart… but he is shrewd.
    He is playing Joe and Ted and the liberal blogs like a fiddle.

  • Every minute of time spent backing Ned Lamont is time not attacking Curt Weldon.

    Every dollar spent supporting Ned Lamont is a dollar not attacking Chris Shays.

    We need to get 60 Democrats in the Senate and 218 Democrats in the House. Until then, an attack against an incumbent Democrat is just wasting time and money. (Exceptions: William Jefferson and Allen Monohan.)

    Our country’s future is at stake here. I disagree with Lieberman’s positions and frankly hope he is defeated. But I hope that Lamont supporters will let him win his race by using his own money. Lamont fans: use your money to support McCaskill, Casey, Webb, Brown, Tester, Whitehouse or Harold Ford; they are the candidates that need help.

  • I think all of the above arguments are good and only time and hindsight will show who was right. However, my sense is that if we fail to fight Lieberman, Lamont’s victory will be viewed as an historical hiccup. The Incumbocrats in DC will continue in their spineless ways, aiding and abetting the destruction of America and her values.

    It is unfortunate that we are in this position, as our resources would be better spent picking off Repubs in blue states. However, as the GOP learned years ago, sometimes you have to lose now in order to win later. What we are seeking is not just a rehuffling of the deck chairs, but the construction of an entirely new ship. We must not only coerce and push the Democratic leaders to act, but to replace them.

    Does anyone actually believe that we, and the country, will be well served by a chastened Schumer? Not to mention DLC whores like Emanuel, and the all talk, little action Reid? Come on.. you’re deluding yourselves. You’re allowing yourself to believe that Party is paramount. But it’s not. You can be a Democrat and still be a giant f*ckwad. We don’t just need Democrats in power, we need Democrats who actually believe in the Party’s principles.

    If we focus only on electing someone with a D after their name, then we risk continued marginalization at the hands of those Dems. Not only will they have the usual power of incumbency, but if we give them a majority in Congress, they will have the power to continue our decline.

    Just my two cents…

  • What, people are just realizing this now? Pathetic.

    OK, fine, Lieberman was a jerk & he lost. He may win or lose in November, the point is it will remain a Democratic seat.

    If the dust settles on Nov 8 and Republicans have lost six seats or more, then say hello to accountability, investigations, a serious attempt to understand where we really stand on Iraq, homeland security, healthcare, cronyism. Don’t expect actual legislation – the veto pen and the filibuster will suddenly be everywhere – but do expect a dramatic, welcome, change of tone as reality returns to Washington DC in a flood.

    If the Republicans lose five seats or fewer, then it’s two more years of brilliant blog posts and not much else, folks. Better keep an eye on the brilliance of those blog posts, because that’s all you’ll have. For. Two. Whole. Years.

    Here are some names I hope – pray – we’ll hear more about for the next three months. First, Democratic challengers who might take Repub seats: Casey. Tester. McCaskill. Brown. Ford. Webb. Carter. Whitehouse. Second, Democrats who are battling to hold Democratic seats: Cantwell. Stabenow. Klobuchar. Menendez. Kohl.

    If by November those names aren’t a lot more common in the media & blogosphere than Ned Lamont’s, then it’s game over. Cheney’s back in the saddle. Back to recriminations. Get ready for two more years of those brilliant, incisive, cruelly dead-on-accurate blog posts.

    Do Democrats want to play to win?

  • Lamont needs to win this without outside help. Every state is a battle ground and we each need to focus on our own state. It has always amazed me that so many big name bloggers are from PA, which is a mess, yet they do little to change things in their own state. Winning is hard work, and requires local contact and knowledge.

    Please get involved locally!!

  • Let’s put the blame for the CT “sideshow” squarely where it lies: the actions of Joe Lieberman. If he had done what Josh said he should do in the wake of his primary loss, i.e., “be a man” and leave the field gracefully, there would be no distraction of time, chatter, or campaign funds from other, more “naturally” contested seats that Dems have a chance to capture in November. Blogs are not at fault here, and neither are supporters of Ned Lamont, whether living in CT or not. Joe Lieberman is currently beyond the pale. His rep as a “nice guy” and his Gang of 14 fellow travelers are buoying an attempt to hold his seat at a high cost that somehow is being added to the tab of his opposition. Neat trick. Positively Roveian, don’tcha think? Joe Lieberman refuses to stand down. Joe Lieberman distracts from the chances of his party and the people he is charged to represent. He says he knows better. People now scold those who feel he must be held to the same rules of democracy to which others adhere. This is Joe Lieberman’s fault, and that he has not been taken deep into the Democrat’s woodshed and disabused of his selfish notion that his action is for the “good” of his party is simply baffling to me. Stop counting Google “hits” on Lamont/Lieberman and ask the question every day: “Joe, why the F are you still in this thing?”

    Finally, the national party leadership should set aside its differences (hey, how about finding a way to work with Howard Dean instead of the fear and loathing formula you got going now), decide on a message and hammer these useless, corrupt, cowardly, excuses for elected officials who call themselves Republicans. You have an unpopular war, mountainous debt, NOLA still in shambles, corruption and fecklessness on display 24/7. So tell me again, why the HELL aren’t you trouncing these guys? Take a look in the mirror and quit fretting over the Google hits, ‘K?

  • While I can respect people who supported Lieberman before the primary, I can’t respect it much anymore. Before CT Dems rejected him, it was a battle over who Dems want to represent them in DC. Now it’s becoming a much bigger issue, namely, why should we tolerate a person who completely disrespects the rank and file members of his own party?

    How will that translate into effective representation on Lieberman’s part when (if) he gets his way? Why would anyone with a functioning brain ever assume he has any respect whatsoever for the people of Connecticut, much less their NEEDS?

    What Lieberman is doing is much the same as what Zell Miller, albeit with a great deal more sophistication. He seeks to damage the Democratic party through his pathetic “unity” position. He is a man who obviously seeks a one-party government with only a passing resemblance of a functioning democracy.

    For Lieberman, the only Democratic position worth taking is one which enthusiastically supports the GOP agenda. So, how can he even claim to be a Democrat in the first place?

    He supported a bankkruptcy bill which will ruin millions of middle-class lives. He supported right-wing extremist judges. He vehemently opposes corporate governance reforms, which goes against the interests of tax-payers, consumers and share holders alike. He supports fiscal madness. He supports an illegal, immoral war which is doing grave damage to this nation and millions of other people around the world. He supports economic policies that are simply insane unless you happen to be a thieving member of the CEO class.

    Over the course of his career, he has gone from being a left-leaning liberal, to a neo-liberal in the late 80s, all the way into full-blown neo-conservative now. As such, his interests, it can be argued, go against the interests of most CT residents and the national interest en toto. He is now in firm opposition to everything 90% of all Democrats stand for, regardless of whether they are “moderates.” “centrists,” or fire-breathing lefties.

    Before the primary, this was an internal party squabble about values, principles and service. Yes, service. A word that has been absent from Joe Lieberman’s lexicon for many years now.

    Now, it is about many things, not the least of which is basic respect for our democratic (small d) institutions and traditions. Lieberman has no respect for democracy in this country, as he is proving every day now. He has no respect for the wishes of his own party members in CT. He has no respect for anything that doesn’t profit him personally, it seems. In fact, it rather seems he wishes to do grave damage to the Democratic party.

    So why should any Dem respect that? I can’t think of one reason to. Not one.

    All this talk about how we should be focusing our attentions elsewhere is nothing more than misdirection. Lieberman and his defeat, would signal a sea change in the Democratic Party. It would show a lot of other intransigent Senators they had better wake up and start serving the people that pay their salaries or be booted. It would show a lot of people around the country that we are a party to be respected, because we put the national interest ahead of petty personal bullshit. In other words, it could really help a lot of other people get elected.

    As long as the media has decided to use this particular race as a means to completely demonize all of us Democrats, we have to make a stand on this. Not doing so would be foolish in the extreme. We have to stand up to the bullies now or go away looking totally spineless.

    In a sense, Lieberman represents everything that is wrong with the Democratic Party: dysfunctional, enabling, corrupt, dishonest, hypocritical and self-serving at a time of grave peril for this nation of ours.

    He could have saved us all of this discussion if he had decided to take a civilized bow out of this race. Instead, he chose to do as much damage to his own alleged party as possible. I think a lot of people now recognize this, which is why this is gong to be a mother of a fight.

  • I think TuiMeL expresses my sentiments pretty well.

    Right now my priorities are focused on my home state, Missouri, and having Democratic representation. It’s a foregone conclusion that Roy Blunt will keep his seat. But, McCaskill has a good shot. On the local level there’s a strong possibility of overturning the currently Republican hold on the state congressional and senatorial seats in my district.

    I wish Lamont the best, but, making Missouri a little bluer is more important.

  • In my opinion, Lieberman is a symbol, a personification of a certain type of accomodation that has gone a long way to getting us into our current mess. And it’s not just me — when Gore picked him in 2000 he was responding to the same thing. Now, in 2000 Lieberman siding with the GOP on things like blowjobs could be held up as bipartisanship. (Or shameless opportunism — take your pick.) But now that the stakes are somewhat higher (i.e. will this nation continue to function as a republic) siding with Republicans stops being obnoxious and becomes dangerous.

    There are still too many prominent Democrats who don’t get either what the stakes are, or why we feel such fury at Lieberman. That, I think, makes it important to defeat him at the polls.

  • I had mentioned this either yesterday or the day before. I think that the Dem leadership and the 2008 contenders should get together with Lieberman and make him an offer he could willingly accept and cannot refuse. If the reports we have all read about Lieberman actually considering a SecDef position from the current administration were true, then maybe there is a brighter bauble out there that the Dems can hang before Lieberman to get him out of the senate race, and fall 100% behind Lamont and the other Dem candidates. If the Dems take the White House in 2008, thare is no doubt in my mind that Justice Stevens will be retiring. Our Dem leaders and candidates should offer Lieberman the nomination to replace Stevens (or anyone else who might go before
    Stevens). Frankly, I think Lieberman would be a fair Justice, and a pretty progressive one on most of the issues that are important to the Dems. It would also offer Lieberman a very respectable and face saving way out. And it would be very interesting to see if any in the GOP could oppose Lieberman’s nomination considering the outpouring of love directedhis way these past few months.

  • Ed Stephan, what on earth makes you think Lieberman will be “chastened” if he wins? I admit, when the idea of a primary challenge to Lieberman first came up, I thought throwing a scare into him might make him behave better. But clearly at this point he’s only been emboldened in his Republican-style rhetoric — he’s now indistinguishable from Cheney in spreading the idea that Democrats are weak, untrustworthy, and traitorous.

    It’s unfortunate, but I don’t see how Democrats can afford to let Lieberman win this race now, especially if they want to win those Connecticut seats that are essential to retaking the House. And this whole mess is entirely Lieberman’s fault. He’s had multiple opportunities to avoid the train wreck, starting with the option of simply toning down his Bush support so he didn’t get a primary in the first place, continuing through the option of stating up front that he’d respect the results of the primary (which would probably have led to a primary win for him), and of course finally ending with the option of not running as an independent. He’s taken none of those options, and the fault is not with those who refuse to give in to his blackmail attempts.

  • I think the race is vital to the Democratic success nationwide in November. Like it our not, the issue in Connecticut is Iraq, the neocons and the direction of our country. As the polls favor Lieberman, they boost the deadly Bush/Cheney/Republican enterprise.

    Think about what would happen if more Dem leaders campaigned for Lamont; if they came to that state and told the truth about the war in Iraq and the so-called War on Terror. Those polls would start turning in a heartbeat and the result would be incredible momentum going into the fall.

    The whole world is watching that election. You’d better believe it’s important. Support Lamont!

  • We have to be practical. Lieberman is going to win in November, unless there’s an October surprise. The Democrats will not campaign seriously for Lamont. There’s nothing in it for them. Most of them are Lieberman-lites, if not Republican-lites.
    We’ve gotten all the message out to the Democrats that can be got through Lamont. Time to move on.

    You don’t put your resources on sure losers. We’re just wasting time spinning this ad nauseum. It’s as pointless as lambasting Ann Coulter. It just doesn’t go anywhere. Doesn’t achieve anything. The name of the game is winning, not venting in polictics.

  • The race has become one of national interest, and it’s quite obvious the Republicans aren’t going to just sit back and see what happens. If Lieberman wins it will show that Democrats can’t buck the military-industrial complex.

    Oh, sure, if it was a guarantee of six other wins and a majority in the Senate in exchange for Lieberman’s victory, that’s a deal to take. But that’s not the deal.

    And when you’re calculating that majority in the Senate, you have to remember- Lieberman is a Republican.

  • ***You don’t put your resources on sure losers.***
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    The single greatest event that can make Lamont “a sure loser” is for the voters of Connecticut to provide financial resources to their Party—and have those funds redirected to Joe Lieberman. Right now, they’re unable to donate to the Party’s support of the legally-chosen candidate, because Schumer and his pals still want to cozy up to their compadre. Tghey still see Lieberman as he “once was”—and thas are blinded to what he has become.

    DeWine’s support mechanism is bleeding from the throat right now; he’s spending huge sums for airtime, full-page ads, posters and billboards—and he’s still not pulling free of Brown’s assault. There’s also a lot of backdoor hub-bub amongst a portion of the GOP faithful here in the Buckeye State to switch funding donations to Lieberman. They believe that DeWine is overly vulnerable this time around, and they view Lieberman as the better chance to keep a Senate that’s loyal to the White House. Some even believe that if Lieberman wins, he’ll “return the favor to those who rejected him” by crossing the aisle. THAT alone speaks volumes as to where the man stands—and it is not worth the risk of allowing him to be re-elected, and find out afterwards that he’s a Quisling Democrat….

  • And Taegan Goddard is now reporting that Lieberman has hired a Republican polling firm. . .

    Dem leadership needs to accept that Lieberman has cut his ties. If he wins, he will caucus with whomever is in the majority. If he gets to be kingmaker and make that call, I’d bet he goes with the R’s — because that’s who will fund and run his campaign. Man this guy has no principles at all (except the principle of “Joe Uber Alles”).

    CT is now just like any other close Senate state, but the profile is a little higher and we start out a little behind. So it likely still needs some additional resources, but not by a lot (just like we’d likely move extra to Cantwell, for example, if she fell back.)

  • Ugh. First, Ciro Rodriguez; then Francine Busby; now Ned Lamont.

    I’m not saying these are all losers — in fact, I think Lamont will win — but the fixaction on them did drive a bit of wind out of other campaigns that were equally as deserving of attention.

  • Funny how quite a few of you are already starting to “hedge your votes” with Lieberman, basically already stating that there’s more than a decent chance he will win and justifying it won’t be that bad for the Dermocratic Party.

    It’s even funnier that your blaming the GOP for Lieberman’s popularity post the Primary instead of looking yourselves in the mirror and realizing that the misguided Primary race sparked a number of indpendents and moderates from both parties that have supported Liberman in the past to jump into the campaign with both feet — voters that otherwise would have probably remained on the sidelines.

    But heck, it’s your minority party — do what you want with it.

  • I’ve read Jacob Weisberg’s article “Dead with Ned”, and it’s a clever llok at the secondary effects of Lieberm’an’s run, and the debate over the house elections continues on this page. BUT, democrats should be pretty optimistic for two reasons:

    First, that the center line of the argument over the “right” candidate on the national scale has shifted to the left, to a decision between a conservative and a (not-radically) liberal democrat.Ultimately isn’t that the long-term goal of liberal politics? to move the center to the left? to strand on the far-right the Bush neocons and the evangelical conservatives? After all, Republican opinnion on other social issues (racial discrimination, the need for social welfare) are today more liberal than the platform of either party 40 years ago. This is a natural progression. The Republican party isn’t going away – it aligns itself just to the right of the new center in order to draw in mainstream voters. It’s a sight for sore eyes to see the mainstream of Connecticut debating as they are between moderate and liberal democrat positions.

    Second, Weisberg warns that high Republican voter turnout on behalf of Lieberman will help the house republican race in Connecticut. Even if this were true, I’d expect an even higher democratic turnout since this electionhas gained so much attention.

  • By focusing on Connecticut, one has to wonder – is there something happening elsewhere that needs attention? Time and time again, molehills have become mountains that obscure our view leaving us holding the “oh sh*t” bag the day after election.

    It’s a big Congress and a big election – GOP strategists are probably happy that the media is focusing on one state.

  • Here is the thing: Lieberman is a cancer within the Democratic party. In many ways he is worse than a Republican, because he not only supports Republican policies, he undermines the image of Democrats. I could go on and on and on as to why Lieberman is so bad and why purging him is so necessary for the party, but for the past 6 years it has been obvious that some people “get it” and some don’t (about everything, not just Lieberman). Among those who don’t, unfortunately, are many Democrats.

    Fortunately, there are many Democrats who do get it. We can take on Lieberman AND support the next generation of progressives AND support moderates in Red districts. We donate directly to candidates who it makes sense to support. We challenge the establishment to shape up or ship out. And we aren’t waiting any longer for those who don’t get it to come to their senses.

    If you still think that a Lieberman victory will mean that the Dems will retain a seat then I feel sorry for you, but I will, of course, work to protect you.

  • The Far West. The State of Washington. We have a fine woman attorney, Hong Tran, running against Sen. Maria Cantwell, she of the votes for anything Bush wants, Bush gets, including a war in Iraq. She’s a Republican in Democrat clothing. Sounds familiar? We just did not get organized in a timely manner. We’ll know better next time.

    It’s too late for us this year. The vote itself is on September 19th, but like my county, several other counties in Washington State vote by mail only. Those ballots will be in our hands within the next ten days. BUT it’s never too late to do some good, any good at all counts for a lot.

    Does anyone feel as if a good word, a mention in other blogs, any help at all might cause Maria Cantwell to re-think her voting in this next Congress? Maybe we can really get her in 2012? I believe that!

    Washington! Get behind the best chance we’ve got to clean up this Iraq mess. Volunteer in the short time left to do some good right here!

    http://www.hongtran.com

  • I never understood the almost rabid focus on Lieberman, when there are a lot worse Republican enablers in the Senate. (Several are named Nelson.) At the same time, primary candidates who were more attractive than Lamont were being ignored, while their conservative Dem opponents were allowed to cakewalk in. We’ll spend a lot more time and effort opposing Casey in a few years than we could have during his primary race. (Of course by then safe and legal abortion will be a thing of the past.)

    Sometimes I suspect the reason so many influential bloggers were so eager to see Lamont win was so their record of wins/losses would look more favourable.

    Nor did I understand why precious blogger monetary resources were being sent to a candidate who could have financed his own race, especially when the seat is already held by a Dem who votes against the president at least sometimes for SCOTUS nominations.

    Definitely something is out of whack here.

  • Oh, and lest I sound too self-rightous, I have a rabid focus of my own: Patricia Madrid in NM-1. She’s got the best chance of anyone the Dems have nominated in the past of beating Heather Wilson, who I can guarantee votes with Bush more often than Lieberman.

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