Too shrill to be ‘respectable’

The Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol caused a bit of a stir over the weekend when he appeared on Fox News (where else?) and attacked Democratic presidential candidates for agreeing to appear at the YearlyKos convention.

“Every Democratic presidential nominee is going to the DailyKos convention,” Kristol said. “That’s the left-wing blogger who was not respectable three or four years ago. The Howard Dean kind of sponsor. Now the whole party is going to pay court to him and to left wing blogs.”

Now, this is wrong in a variety of ways, which we discussed yesterday. Today, however, the Weekly Standard’s Sonny Bunch referenced an intemperate comment Markos made in 2004 — for which he apologized — to justify Kristol’s attack. “The Daily Kos, Think Progress, and a host of other lefty blogs seem to be shocked that someone might question the respectability of Markos Moulitsas,” Bunch wrote, adding, “Is that the kind of thing respectable people say?”

There are at least two problems with this. First, YearlyKos is not a big gathering to celebrate Markos personally; it’s a conference of bloggers, blog readers, and progressive activists. Whether Markos said something offensive in a blog post three years ago has nothing to do with Democratic candidates talking to a very large community of politically-engaged people. As Bunch describes it, Kristol was making this intentionally personal, going after candidates because they’ll be in the same room as someone who offended Kristol with a post in 2004. That’s a pretty weak argument.

Second, if the test for credibility boils down to the kind of things “respectable people say,” Kristol is throwing stones in a glass house.

Matt at TP collected some of Kristol’s greatest hits.

– “It is insane for this country to be obsessing … about a small prisoner abuse scandal,” referring to Abu Ghraib. [5/16/2004]

– “Cheney’s statement” that Ned Lamont’s primary victory helps al Qaeda “is indisputably correct.” [6/13/2006]

– “The voters in Florida, I guess, who elected him” are responsible for former Rep. Mark Foley’s illicit sexual behavior. “Maybe they should have known better.” [10/3/06]

– Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) is “sort of the opposite of Lincoln. He would have been with Stephen Douglas in 1858″ in appeasing slave owners. [2/10/07]

– Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) saying the war is lost “is much more disgraceful than anything Trent Lott said” about the country being better off if it had maintained racist segregation policies. [4/22/07]

With this in mind, would it be equally fair to admonish Republican presidential hopefuls who appear with Kristol?

Yes.

Time we did more admonishing.

  • Where do we start??

    how about here?

    Some excerpts:

    The Republican candidates — and Ann Coulter — try out their acts

    “March 3, 2007 | WASHINGTON — The Ann Coulter presidential primary ended on Friday, before an oversold crowd of Republican college kids and conservative activists in a basement hotel conference room. She had just finished doing her incendiary stand-up act, joking that Al Gore was fat (“Did Al Gore actually swallow Michael Moore?”), that Bill Clinton was the first black president (“half white, half trash”) and that John Edwards was a “faggot.” …

    “No one at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference was taking the upcoming presidential election lightly. For the first time since 1996, the Republican Party finds itself with no single front-runner and no clear conservative standard-bearer. “Ronald Reagan is not with us,” explained David Keene, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, sponsor of the event, which drew every GOP presidential contender with the notable exception of John McCain. …

    “As always, one of the hottest bills at the event was the appearance of Coulter, who regularly speaks at college campuses and has built up a considerable following among Republican youth. Not one to disappoint, she came out blazing with an act she described as “all-purpose right-wing blowhard.” Dressed in a low-cut shirt with a black leather vest, she denied that she was “anti-gay” after using a gay slur to describe Edwards, the Democratic candidate. In fact, she joked, gay voters should be natural Republicans, because the party advocates low taxes for the wealthy and an aggressive approach to crime. “Gays make a lot of money and are victims of crime,” she said. As always, her gibes were met with riotous laughter and applause. ”

    Do we really need to go any further??

  • If Bill Kristol and Sonny Bunch are examples of “respectability” then I am damn proud not to be respectable.

    Markos was dead-on accurate in 2004 about those scumbag SS-stormtrooper wannabees who got turned into all the barbecue they could be in Fallouja. There’s no such thing as too many dead mercenaries in Iraq. They’re all rightwing scum from around the world and I cheer every time I hear one of them got what they deserved – I only hope they died painfully and slowly. Too bad Kristol and Sonny Bunch can’t go join them, but then two fat D.C. cowards like them wouldn’t even last on the road from the airport into central Baghdad before they crapped their pants and started crying for their mommies.

    Actually, there’s no such thing as too many dead Republicans, so far as I am concerned. Screw “respectable.”

  • I wonder if Kristol will hold Mitt Romney to the same standard now. Remember Romney at CPAC this year:
    “I am happy to hear that after you hear from me, you will hear from Ann Coulter. That is a good thing. Oh yeah!”
    And we all know what she ended up saying about Edwards minutes later.

  • It’s a good sign when these intemperate wags huff and puff and get all steamed up and hot under the collar. It shows that they’re jealous, and frightened. We should be glad.

  • I love it, Tom. Sorry, I hadn’t read your “Ode to Respectability” before posting my wimpy bit. No one can say it like you. Crunchy.

    (I’d probably have thrown the wimpy bit in anyway, even so.)

  • Like all right-wing loudmouths, Kristol needs to be outraged like the rest of us need oxygen. It’s what keep him in the spotlight and If it wasn’t this it would be something else. His attacks are designed to change the subject from his own abject failures and put Democrats on the defensive. It’s what the right does and I think Democrats need to make that the point. Don’t debate his charges and fall into his trap; you’ll get more mileage by debunking his tactics. Deep down, Kristol is scared.

  • Ethel-to-Tilly,

    You could go farther. You could ask Ann Coulter why, if America is awash in traitors (the media, liberals, the Democratic Party) and in such dire peril as she insists, is she wasting her time with a stand-up routine?

  • I wrote this earlier …

    By definition, a “neo-con” is an uber-zionist. The flowering the path of Israel must come first, regardless of the blood and treasure spilled by other countries. The most vocal neo-cons–William Kristol, comes to mind–have no morality and no soul when it comes to shoveling the lives of young Americans (farm boys, working class sons & daughters, and minorities) into their war machine. Neo-con bastards!

    Opposing the neo-con agenda–such as Iraq war–brings Bill Kristol’s wrath.

  • Kristol has never apologized for anything, so none of his offensive comments count. You can’t be held accountable if you refuse to admit you did anything wrong, it’s the Republican way.

  • The rightwingers are just feeling threatened that the we on the left/progressives are energized, organized, and that the majority of Americans agree with us on Iraq. The wingers are getting shriller and shriller. Ignore them. Or laugh. They’re pathetic.

  • That Kos is sooo intemperate. How dare he impugn the integrity of people who kill for money. Has he no shame?

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