Top U.S. intelligence official: Privacy ain’t what it used to be

With the Bush administration re-writing the privacy rule book — and in some cases, simply throwing it away — it probably shouldn’t come as too big a surprise that Donald Kerr, the principal deputy director of national intelligence, wants the American electorate to expect privacy to mean something different from now on. (thanks to Zeitgeist for the tip)

Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says [Kerr]. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguard people’s private communications and financial information.

Kerr’s comments come as Congress is taking a second look at the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

According to a copy of Kerr’s speech (.pdf), the leading intelligence official suggested Americans are already giving up private information on social-networking sites like MySpace and Facebook, so we need to “beyond the construct that equates anonymity with privacy.” In terms of the government, that means Kerr and his colleagues will offer “a system of laws, rules, and customs with an infrastructure of Inspectors General, oversight committees, and privacy boards on which our intelligence community commitment is based and measured. And it is that framework that we need to grow and nourish and adjust as our cultures change.”

He added that Americans should “really take stock of what we already are willing to give up.”

Given the Bush administration’s penchant for legally-dubious, unchecked surveillance, this really isn’t encouraging.

Kurt Opsahl, a senior staff lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, wasn’t particularly impressed with Kerr’s argument.

“Anonymity has been important since the Federalist Papers were written under pseudonyms,” Opsahl said. “The government has tremendous power: the police power, the ability to arrest, to detain, to take away rights. Tying together that someone has spoken out on an issue with their identity is a far more dangerous thing if it is the government that is trying to tie it together.”

Opsahl also said Kerr ignores the distinction between sacrificing protection from an intrusive government and voluntarily disclosing information in exchange for a service.

“There is something fundamentally different from the government having information about you than private parties,” he said. “We shouldn’t have to give people the choice between taking advantage of modern communication tools and sacrificing their privacy.”

“It’s just another ‘trust us, we’re the government,'” he said.

Given the Bush gang’s track record, it’s hardly a reasonable proposition.

Freedom sure isn’t what it used to be.

  • Do I get to keep my right to privacy if I don’t have a MySpace page?

    Because that’s one of the reasons I don’t have a MySpace page.

  • Privacy “should mean that government and businesses properly safeguard people’s private communications and financial information.”

    After all, government and business are very trustworthy, and have developed an excellent track record of keeping private information secure. HA!

    How low can we go?

    I would prefer to safeguard my own information, thank you.

  • According to a copy of Kerr’s speech (.pdf), the leading intelligence official suggested Americans are already giving up private information on social-networking sites like MySpace and Facebook, so we need to “beyond the construct that equates anonymity with privacy.”

    I’m with Kurt Opsahl. If Americans want to post information about themselves on MySpace or Facebook, that’s QUITE different than government intrusion into one’s private life, which is prohibited by the Bill of Rights.

    The determiner is who “owns” the privacy of citizens. It ain’t the government. If I want to tell you about my love-life or financial affairs, I may. Nobody’s rights are violated. But unless I’m suspected of breaking some law, the government’s violation of my right to privacy is just that: a violation of my right to be free of surveillance by the government.

  • According to a copy of Kerr’s speech, the leading intelligence official suggested Americans are already giving up private information on social-networking sites like MySpace and Facebook, so we need to “beyond the construct that equates anonymity with privacy.”

    The obvious difference of course being that having a MySpace or Facebook site is a matter of personal choice. There’s no law compelling everyone in the country to sign up for MySpace or Facebook. His premise is invalid and so is his conclusion.

  • Well apparently it’s not Bush we have worry about.

    It’s torture loving, wiretap loving Dems that Steve should be worried about.

    The Bush administrations says they want this, and Dems rush in to give him whatever he wants every damn time. Then Steve, Josh, Kevin rush in to say, well if Dems like to torture, like to wiretap – well than it totally okay.

    It’s label thing. Bush does = bad, Dems do it = well they have to fight Bush somehow, mostly by doing whatever he says.

    Ron Paul is looking better all the time. Dems don’t really care about this shit, they only care when Bush does it.

  • So, this is what it’s come to, has it? Six years of the government taking our liberty and our privacy in inches – courtesy of the Congress and the ever-so-useful signing statement, so that it is now a foregone conclusion that we should not even be able to hold onto an expectation of any privacy. We’re at the point where we’re supposed to just acknowledge the government’s right to know everything that is happening in our lives, and trust the government to be responsible with that information and not abuse their authority.

    See – this is why we’ve all been screaming at our congresspeople – for much of that 6 years – because we knew that this is what it was going to come to. Silly us – cherishing freedom and privacy – I mean, what were we thinking?

    These are the kinds of things that will force people off the grid and underground, so that they can have the privacy that used to be guaranteed under the Constitution. That this idiot is out there publicly saying that we should give up any expectation of privacy means that we’ve already lost it.

  • Me_again,

    You’re aware, of course, that you may have just crossed the Rubicon here at the Carpetbagger Report with your last comment.

    May I recommend Fiat Empire in your pursuit of freedom, peace, & prosperity?

  • Well, I for one am more than willing to give up power mad ne’er do wells, spoiled brats, incompetent lackeys and spineless enablers. Buh-bye Mr. Kerr.

    But I have a question about MySpace etc, since I don’t have an account: What’s to stop you from making up information when you create your page?

    I also have to wonder how those sites feel about being used as examples. Might put a crimp on traffic if people think their info will go straight into some government file.

    “a system of laws, rules, and customs with an infrastructure of Inspectors General, oversight committees, and privacy boards on which our intelligence community commitment is based and measured a system of laws, rules, and customs with an infrastructure of Inspectors General, oversight committees, and privacy boards on which our intelligence community commitment is based and measured.

    In other words, a series of laws, rules and customs that we won’t tell you about for reasons of national security and by the way, it will include an immunity clause for companies that have given this information because … well, we can’t tell you that either.

    And am I the only one who doesn’t like the presumption that this information will (not might) go to some branch of the intelligence community?

  • “There is something fundamentally different from the government having information about you than private parties,” he said. “We shouldn’t have to give people the choice between taking advantage of modern communication tools and sacrificing their privacy.”

    “It’s just another ‘trust us, we’re the government,’” he said.

    Yeah, totally. And who is the government? Just a bunch of guys. Everyone who works for the government thinks that they work for the government because they’re a special person for some reason, and that it justifies everyone else’s subservience to them. But in reality, no person is special.

  • Point being, everyone in the government is more or less the same schmucky, petty people you meet everywhere else. People preen themselves over how great their morality is, but when placed in just that right situation where they feel they can bend their own rules just to please themselves, they’ll do it. Any jerks you’ve met, it’s guaranteed there are some of those same kind of jerks in the government, and some of them let that jerkiness make their decisions for them sometimes. And we’re quickly creating a modern myth that every guy in the military is an aw-shucks, idealist, perfectly moral and sensitive. In reality, there are plenty of guys in the military who would compromise out national security or our military’s effectiveness for the sake of advancing their career, or because of a grudge. Guys in the military are just the same guys you meet everywhere else, but they happen to be wearing uniforms and interesting in guns.

  • “Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says [Kerr]. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguard people’s private communications and financial information.”

    i call bullshit. i fully expect privacy to continue to include anonymity. i absolutely do not trust government and business to safeguard my private information. therefore we need to have anonymity. just recall the veteran’s administration’s accidental release of all those veteran’s records…..or tjmaxx’s accidental release of millions of credit card numbers……or…..you get the picture.

  • Great…

    U.S. currently has more numbers in prison than China:
    * http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0944913420061209
    * http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040206.html

    http://yellowbrickroads.org/default.aspx
    At the current rate of incarceration, it is estimated that by 2058, there will be more people in prison in the United States than outside of prison. So it’s in our best interest to not only address the children, but also other aspects of incarceration.

    I guess at the going rate, we can move the year 2058 down a few notches – and where is this issue in our political debate? I’m sorry, I can’t hear you.

    Hail Caesar!

  • That’s why I practice civil-internet, dis-information: Today, I’m a 65-year-old, unemployed black woman with four kids, tomorrow…who knows?

    Power corrupts and the data bases of private citizen information will be illegally used by those corrupted by power.

    Our paranoid government is wiping it’s collective butt on the constitution and our appathetic, waste-consummer, self-indulgence, Idol worshipping society is a mockery of our founding fathers priciples, and a clear sign that the democractic process is what is really in need of securing.

    I don’t even recognize this country anymore and other countries are writting US democracy off as a failed experiment.

    The terrorist have won with the help of the paranoid androids, aka, those robotic thinking reactionaries who never really liked the freedom of an open, free-thinking society.

    A shame really, it was the best we had to offer the world, and the true driving engine of our long-term financial success.

  • just bill wrote:

    i call bullshit. i fully expect privacy to continue to include anonymity. i absolutely do not trust government and business to safeguard my private information. therefore we need to have anonymity. just recall the veteran’s administration’s accidental release of all those veteran’s records…..or tjmaxx’s accidental release of millions of credit card numbers……or…..you get the picture.

    From now on, privacy will mean every common schmuck still won’t be able to get your info, but a small cabal of conservative people will, and we’ll just have to trust them not to do anything fucking wrong with it.

  • Reposting: Sorry for the html tag errors…

    If anything, we need MORE privacy protections” – We now live in an Information Age, where information is constantly being mined by huge terra bites/second servers by private companies that store it long term as an investment (dirty information appreciates with time). Goverment participates in the information harvest too by demanding AT&T and others for information via secret rooms.

    Let’s not be fooled by “newspeak” propaganda of “redefining” words such as “privacy”… If anything, we need TIGHTER controls on privacy, annonymity, etc… We have the power!

    Benjamin Franklin (approx.) “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. “

  • Privacy no longer can mean anonymity, says [Kerr]. Instead, it should mean that government and businesses properly safeguard people’s private communications and financial information.

    Translation: Kiss the 4th Amendment goodbye, sweethearts. All your informations are belonging to us.

  • It’s looking like Ron Paul is the only chance we have..He looks for real…you know nobody else is, so I think he may get the vote ….god willing

  • Taken to its logical conclusion, the position of jerks like Kurt Opsahl and the EFF is that the government has no right to know that Mohammed X stated in a conversation to Aldeela Y that a nuclear weapon has been placed adjacent to the Ninth District Court bldg and will be detonated in 24 hrs.

    There is no ultimate right of privacy, despite flawed Supreme Court decisions suggesting that it exists.

    Its a right made up of whole cloth.

    Trust me, when the blood starts flowing and citizens wake up to nuke dawns the EFF’s pathetic attempt to limit the right of civilization to protect itself will be seen for what it is…

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