Validating Fox News vs. outreach to Fox News viewers

The LA Times’ [tag]Ron Brownstein[/tag] suggests today that [tag]Fox News[/tag] may be the most successful company in the history of capitalism to make triumph “with just a wink and a nod.” Brownstein then poses what has become Question #1 in the Democrats’ media conundrum: ignore the network or reach out to its viewers?

Fox cloaks itself in the mantle of objectivity with the nudge-nudge insistence that it — and it alone — provides “fair and balanced” coverage of the news. Then it advances its financial and ideological interests by promoting lurid accusations from conservatives against Democrats, accusations that are routinely debunked later by the mainstream media. Many Fox reporters are fair. But overall the network — through its language, its news decisions and its hosts — generally functions more like a cog in the Republican message machine than as a conventional news organization that attempts to abide, however imperfectly, by the traditional standards of (yes) fairness and balance.

Fox’s possible participation in the Nevada debate, one of several the state party is sponsoring before next January’s presidential caucus, presented Democrats with a conundrum that may become increasingly common for both sides as they navigate a media landscape in which overtly partisan sources of information are proliferating.

Democrats, with justification, consider Fox tilted against them. Yet the network has a large audience, at least some of whom may be open to Democratic arguments (though exactly how many remains subject to spirited dispute). The question the party faced was whether access to Fox’s viewers was worth the validation the network would receive from hosting a Democratic debate.

In this case, Brownstein never gets around to answering the question he raises, instead noting that both sides of the argument have merit. This all seems pretty familiar — on the one hand, it’s generally wise to share a Democratic message with people who ordinarily aren’t hearing from Democrats. On the other hand, as one party strategist said, “They are in business to promote the Republican Party and to hurt the Democratic Party, and they have every right to do that, but to the extent that their pretense of objectivity can be challenged, it should be.” So why would Dems ever want to legitimize FNC?

Brownstein argues, “[T]he network has a large audience, at least some of whom may be open to Democratic arguments.” I’m not sure either part of this sentence is true.

Paul Waldman explained that Fox News has had some success, but it’s not quite right to say it has “a large audience.”

People sometimes forget that cable news actually has a pretty small audience. For instance, the highest rated show on cable, “The O’Reilly Factor,” gets about 2.5 million viewers. That’s compared to around 4.5 million for “Meet the Press,” and around 10 million for each of the top-rated nightly news programs (currently NBC and ABC are locked in a tight battle for first).

Yes, Fox’s total viewership is higher than just those who watch their top show. But the number of people who get their news from Fox and only from Fox is extremely small. And after all, if Democrats were to boycott Fox, it is only those viewers whom to whom they would have no access. How many people could that be? A million? Maybe, at most. That would leave only 199 million voting-age adults for Democrats to persuade.

And who, exactly, are the people who watch Fox News but not any other channel, don’t read newspapers, and don’t get news from the internet? (OK, I know of one person who definitely falls into that category, but he’ll be going back to Crawford before long.) Something tells me not too many of them are open to voting for Democrats.

Matt Yglesias is willing to go so far as to argue that some Fox News viewers may be open to Dems’ arguments, but going on Fox News isn’t the way to do it.

The problem, though, is that this can’t be done because Fox News is run by the people who run Fox News.

As I well recall from my appearances on the Hugh Hewitt showing, appearing on hack-controlled media outlets is not an effective method of persuading the audience. The rules are rigged. A debate organized and run by a Republican Party propaganda outlet is not, in practice, going to provide the opportunity for Democrats to persuade Fox-loving conservatives anymore than appearing on Hannity and Colmes contributes to the creation of a balanced and vigorous public sphere. Television is especially tricky for providing the illusion of unmediated reality while, in fact, allowing a thousand different kinds of mediation. Thinking that you can beat television professionals whose job is to make you look bad on a television network that they control is just hubris. Nobody’s that smart. Nobody’s that clever. Nobody beats the producers.

Brownstein’s piece is actually quite good in capturing the nature of the debate, but he points to two main arguments for the outreach side — large audience, possible Dem pick-ups. Both of these are wrong.

Can Dems please stop trying to play a game they can’t win?

It’s not Fox News – it’s Faux News. Keep repeating that.

  • No, Tom—FLUX* News—as in “acid reflux disease.”

    *I’m adding the “L” to my normal pronunciation of the term, because my son is lurking about the house somewhere….

  • Matt Yglesias is absolutely right. Anyone who might be persuaded to come over to the Democratic side does not use Fox News as their sole information source.

    And those who do use Fox News as their sole news source have as much chance of going Democratic as stone has of becoming prima ballerina of the Bolshoi Ballet. It just ain’t going to happen.

    So Democrats have absolutely nothing to gain and a great deal to lose by giving Fox News any face-time at all. That the issue is still even in question is beyond my comprehension.

    Boycott Fox News!! They deserve it and it will demonstrate to the American public that integrity still counts for something in the Democratic Party.

  • I’m sorry, but outreach to who? Unthinking cognitive dissonant fools? These folks are going to see what they WANT to see. They bought into Faux/Flux because that is what they want to see and they don’t care to change no matter what reality and logic sez.

    It is the same problem the Dems have as I have with folks and addictions/serious personality issues. The only person that can change them is them (I speak from personal experience here.) Unless these Faux/Flux fans WANT to change, then they ain’t gonna change.

    If Faux/Flux viewers suddenly realize that the Repubs have been jamming it to them for a long time then and go to the “Dark” side then welcome them. Otherwise, there is not a hell of a lot you’re going to do. This is something that they have to figure out for themselves. Sadly, I doubt that most them ever will.

  • Of course Yglesias is right. It’s ludicruous to argue that Fox viewers don’t have access to the Democratic message, it’s all over the place if they want to be exposed to it. The problem isn’t that they won’t have any other way to hear from Democrats it’s that they are not going to vote for Democrats regardless of where the message is coming from. Fox “news” is so obviously a Republican propagands organ that any fool can see it. Indeed on the Scooter Libby verdict they actually headlined the one count out of five that Libby was acquited of. It was like a Monty Python skit, “Libby acquitted of lying to …….then in the fine print, “however, he was convicted on four other counts….”reminds me of the “Cheese Shop” skit of Monty Python’s. The Dems are right to boycott Fox and should have done it years ago.

  • Precisely, CB. It is as futile as expecting this administration to do or say anything honest or not self-serving. Fox news should be totally boycotted by all attempting or expecting to learn from reasoned discourse.

  • Fox is terrified of being fully exposed as the slanted crap-factory that they are, and that is the best reason to make sure that they are exposed.

    All one needs to do is briefly review the statements of the slimy bastards they have as hosts to see how bad they are.

    WTF is anyone thinking who says they can get the Faux News jerks to actually provide them with a serious forum? The Faux News people have been explicit in their intentions, Fox’s London bureau chief, Scott Norvell described their approach thusly:

    “Even we at Fox News manage to get some lefties on the air occasionally, and often let them finish their sentences before we club them to death and feed the scraps to Karl Rove and Bill O’Reilly.

    Anyone who agrees to deliberately feed themselves to such a political adversary should have their head examined.

  • Fox News viewing stalwarts go there to hear what they want to hear, not to listen to the truth. The only way to cleave any of these sychophants away is for the Repubs to do that for us. If a conservative is allegedly a liberal that’s been mugged, then a liberal is a conservative that watched Republicans destroy everything they hold sacred about this nation.

    Just deny them access because, counter to Dennis Kucinich, they are not a legitimate news outlet.

  • Maybe we need to revive an old definition of “fox”, this from Webster’s 1913 Edition: v.t. 1. To intoxicate; to stupefy with drink.

    quoting Pepys (Diary, 29 Sep 1661): “I drank . . . so much wine that I was almost foxed.”

    Would that Republicans would actually turn to wine to get foxed, rather than continuing to be stupefied by the Bush Crime Family’s party line and their own incurious brains.

  • The piece also does not consider that in trying to pick up Dem votes from Faux News watchers the party is more likely to lose voters it already has, who are fed up watching Dems pander for votes rather than take a strong stand against an obvious Repub mouthpiece that makes a point of smearing the Democratic party. It’s like going with the dope dealer as he sells his wares in hopes of persuading his clients to get clean. Point is : there are much better ways of reaching these people and let the dealer get busted, don’t run with him. I jumped up and down and clapped my hands when the Dems refused to let Fox be apart of the debate, when the CBC partnered with CNN rather than Fox, when Obama denied them and Edwards refused them. If the Democratic party leaders knew how proud its members are to refuse access to Faux News they would make it a campaign slogan. Lies, propaganda, corruption…Bush needs the Fox to make you believe.

  • Wes Clark goes on Faux frequently and while I know in the early days of that gig people were saying pretty much the same thing. Of course it is usually good for a video of him beating up on some Faux idiot.

  • Most of you folks got so giddie when Clinton bitch slapped Wallace, why wouldn’t you like to see other Dems do the same thing on a recurring basis and expose the lack of integrity at FOX?

    To some, it looks like the Dems are running away from the challenge for more softball interviews on shows like Today and 60 Minutes with handholding and songs of Kumbaya.

  • “Governor Stevenson, all thinking people are for you!”

    “That’s not enough– I need a majority.”

    I sympathize with the argument that the Fox Noise Channel (Damn you Olbermann, why couldn’t I have thought of that) is nothing more than the cable-tv arm of the GOP, so why should any Dem support it. The answer, I think, can be seen in Wes Clark and Bill Clinton. If you’re smart and credible and can make your own case, you make the Fox talking heads look like idiots. That has to catch the attention of someone watching from home who’s been reflexively voting GOP because “Republicans are good for the military” or “Democrats like abortion” or whatever. If we can sow cognitive dissonance into some of those people, the Dems will have that majority Adlai Stevenson was needing.

    On the other hand, Fox regulars Susan Estrich, Alan Colmes, and Dick Morris help the Dem cause not one bit.

    I have to go wash my hands now. I just typed the words “Dick Morris”. Ugh. Yuck. Now I’ve done it twice.

  • Okay, first off, Wes Clark has done just fine on Fox News.

    There’s a world of difference between letting Fox News design the questions for a Democratic presidential debate and appearing on Fox News.

    And no, the difference isn’t that they won’t try to smear those who do. Because it’s obvious that they’re always hoping to get some kind of embarrassing footage on Clark to use against him in the future. (When they try to hard to get it, the embarrassing footage is of O’Reilly and Hannity.)

    During a Democratic debate, however, Fox News doesn’t smear the candidates equally. No, it carefully calculates which of them it would be most pleased to see win, and slants it that way. Because the debates ask different questions of different candidates. THAT’s what makes it most important that they never get a chance to do that again. I’ve analyzed one of their previous debates, and it was clear that they were out to get Clark and Dean, while favoring Lieberman, Kerry and Edwards, in that order.

    But you bloggers are offering up the idea that none of their viewers could change their mind without any proof of this contention. There was a recent Pew poll that showed that the percentage of people who regularly watch Fox News was made up of 35% Republicans, 21% Democrats, and 22% Independents.

    And you’re trying to tell me that, with nearly half of their viewers self-declared Democrats and Independents, we have no chance of reaching them?

    Give me a break.

    I don’t know what drives these people to watch Fox News. I wouldn’t be surprised if many simply watch it because a spouse does. But the idea that we should leave them to be indoctrinated by this hate-filled partisan organ without even trying to help them….well, if you were behind the 50-state strategy, if you think that truly “no child should be left behind,” why would you turn your back on these people who need us?

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