‘Very little difference’ between Giuliani, Podhoretz on ‘World War IV’

Last week, at a speech in DC, Rudy Giuliani offered some unrestrained bluster towards Iran, apparently looking forward to a military confrontation, and insisting without proof that Iran is currently building nuclear weapons.

Apparently, the former mayor, who has no experience in foreign policy, military policy, or national security policy, is getting some very bad advice.

Norman Podhoretz believes that America needs to go to war soon with Iran. As far as he knows, Rudy Giuliani thinks the same thing.

“I was asked to come in and give him a briefing on the war, World War IV,” said Mr. Podhoretz, a founding father of neoconservatism and leading foreign policy adviser to Mr. Giuliani. “As far as I can tell there is very little difference in how he sees the war and how I see it.”

And given that Podhoretz’s hyper-neocon worldview is pretty horrific, the notion that there’s little daylight between Giuliani and Podhoretz on the “World War IV” issue should tell us quite a bit about just how far gone the former NYC mayor really is.

Indeeed, Podhoretz boasts in his New York Observer interview that he has confidence that Giuliani will attack Iran, whereas the other candidates are less reliable: “Do I think that Giuliani would take that action? I personally think he would,” Podhoretz said. “I don’t know who Romney is. I have no sense of him. I don’t know who Fred Thompson is.”

Oddly enough, Podhoretz’s boast that Giuliani would pull the trigger on a military offensive is intended as a compliment.

And speaking of Giuliani, Rachel Morris has an amazing piece in the next issue of the Washington Monthly, exploring what Americans can expect from a Giuliani administration.

Many Giuliani watchers already understand that Rudy is a hothead and a grandstander, even a bit of a dictator at times. These qualities have dominated the story of his mayoralty that most people know. As that drama was unfolding, however, so was a quieter story, driven by Giuliani’s instinct and capacity for manipulating the levers of government.

His methods, like those of the current White House, included appointments of yes-men, aggressive tests of legal limits, strategic lawbreaking, resistance to oversight, and obsessive secrecy.

As was also the case with the White House, the events of 9/11 solidified the mindset underlying his worst tendencies. Embedded in his operating style is a belief that rules don’t apply to him, and a ruthless gift for exploiting the intrinsic weaknesses in the system of checks and balances.

That’s why, of all the presidential candidates, Giuliani is most likely to take the expansions of the executive branch made by the Bush administration and push them further still. The blueprint can be found in the often-overlooked corners of his mayoralty.

Read it, clip it, save it, and send it around to your friends.

Kevin Drum added:

Choosing the best presidential candidate among the 2008 contenders is a tough job. Picking the worst is easy. Rudy Giuliani is the guy you’d get if you put George Bush and Dick Cheney into a wine press and squeezed out their pure combined essence: unbounded arrogance and self-righteousness, a chip on his shoulder the size of a redwood, a studied contempt for anybody’s opinion but his own, a vindictive streak a mile wide, and a devotion to secrecy and executive power unmatched in presidential history. He is a disaster waiting to happen.

That’s not even the slightest bit hyperbolic.

People who make money on wars sell arms & munitions, oil, and debt. The US has stopped creating goods and services of any high quality, thus our money is less valuable. Add the neo-con plan to shove their sick idealogies down everyone’s throat, and we have a recipe for total disaster.
The hate mongers, Limbaugh’s, Savage, Coltergeist do the rest. Fear and hate motivate the right-wing idiots to endorse war, torture….you name it. A Republican friend of mine years ago predicted total disaster if these religious fanatics ever got control. In those days, these idiots were fringe. They have control of TV and radio….we have a mess.

  • “…even a bit of a dictator at times.”

    a bit? A BIT!!!

    i haven’t been calling him il duce for nothing.

  • Putting George Bush and Dick Cheney into a wine press and squeezing is not a bad idea at all.

    And it wouldn’t even be torture if we don’t ask them anything.

  • With whose army is Giuliani going to launch WWIV? Ours is worn out. So is their equipment. While bombing Iran will do much to make them miserable, it’s only boots on the ground that secure territory and prevent more mischief. We don’t have enough troops to secure Iraq and Afghanistan and G*d forbid that the balloon goes up in Pakistan, or Africa or in any of the other hotspots.

    These guys know less about being Commander in Chief than I do.

  • Yeah, Curmudgeon, I was wondering what happened to World War III

    Well, if we continue with the wine press metaphor, at least we’d wined* up with a president of average intelligence, who could be reasoned with: (Bush-stupid + Cheney-smart)/2 = average.

    But, seriously, I think Rudy is dangerous, an egomaniac, a megalomaniac, and the most likely to win against Hillary or whoever the Democratic nominee is. Scary. Very scary. Will the American people ever see through his 9/11 bluster and recognize the monster that this guy could be?

    I can’t even understand why they give him so much credit for reducing crime. Violent crime went down everywhere in the 1990s, not just NYC.

    * couldn’t resist that terrible pun wined up = wind up

  • hark, i think you need to retake math.
    you are correct that we’d end up with average intelligence, but you are way off to add “and could be reasoned with.”

    Bush-stubborn and unreasonable multiplied with Cheney-stubborn and unreasonable = obstinate ass squared.

  • But Marilyn (#1) perhaps the religious fanatics will save the country since they seem to be the only republicans who DO NOT TRUST RUDI. We will probably not see him in the general election because he is a cross dressing, gay loving, pro abortion, anti gun liberal in sheeps clothing. Unless they start a third party, they will do their best to derail his election. That will be their final gift to the republican party: they will take it into its slide to permanent minority. It is a thought.

  • We can scratch our heads all we want at Rudy and Pod-brain’s mental depravity, but the myths that underpin their insane ideas about attacking Iran are already set in stone in the American psyche. To them, Iran has already vowed to attack Israel, and they are building an atom bomb. Congress, to its shame, has signed off on these ideas as well, even though they’re bogus as hell.

    AIPAC says bomb Iran, and congress… well the last time AIPAC told them to do something really stupid they went ahead and did it.

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