Vice President Lieberman?

Just eight years after Joe Lieberman was on the Democratic Party’s presidential ticket, a growing number of conservatives have a better idea: put in him on the Republican Party’s presidential ticket.

The Weekly Standard’s William Kristol touted the idea in his column this week. After running a lengthy excerpt of a speech Lieberman recently gave, imploring Democrats to embrace Bush’s vision for combating “Islamist extremism,” Kristol concluded:

Read the whole speech on Lieberman’s website. As for Rudy and John and Fred and Mitt and Mike: Take a break from kissing babies to pick up the phone and congratulate Joe. Seek his endorsement after you win the nomination. What the heck–offer him the vice presidency. (Rudy, you might try State or Defense, since you’ll need a pro-life running mate.)

But McCain-Lieberman, Thompson-Lieberman, Romney-Lieberman, Huckabee-Lieberman — those sound like winning tickets to us. It’s true, given the behavior of the congressional Democrats, the GOP nominee might well win with a more conventional running mate. But why settle for a victory if you can have a realignment?

The idea is, oddly enough, drawing praise in several conservative circles. National Review’s Peter Wehner seems to like Kristol’s suggestion:

At the end of the editorial, Kristol suggests Lieberman for VP again — but this time, to serve as the running mate on a Republican ticket. It’s an intriguing idea — and it would certain scramble the political chessboard. Whichever party wins in ’08, let’s hope Joe Lieberman plays a pivotal role on national-security matters. In the entire political world, there are not many who are better, or politically braver.

And far-right blogger Mark Noonan went so far as to describe Lieberman as “the ideal candidate for Vice President on the Republican ticket in 2008,” in part because it would demonstrate to the world that “America is united in its quest for victory.”

At the risk of raining on the parade, this seems ridiculously far-fetched. As humiliating as Lieberman is on matters of foreign policy and national security, he’s also fairly liberal on most domestic policy matters, including abortion and gay rights. Is the Republican Party so devoid of leaders that can win a national election that it has to look beyond the GOP for running mates?

As for the substance of the Lieberman speech that Kristol enjoyed so much, it’s probably worth noting that the Connecticut senator “argued that George W. Bush and the Republican presidential candidates remained truer than the Democratic party to its tradition of a ‘moral, internationalist, liberal and hawkish’ foreign policy that was established by Presidents Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and John Kennedy.”

This is exactly why Lieberman has lost any shred of credibility. As Matt Yglesias explained:

You’d have to be an idiot to draw from the FDR-Truman school of internationalism the simple lesson that a disposition to start wars is a good idea. After all, JFK was “hawkish,” too, but Lieberman seems to forget that his act of hawkery in Vietnam turned out to be a huge fiasco, and his foreign policy triumph came during the Cuban Missile Crisis when he wisely rejected the counsels of the preventive war crowd and instead struck a pragmatic deal.

Obviously all-war all-the-time has long been Lieberman’s signature contribution to Democratic Party thinking (like Bill Kristol on the other side) but the willingness of others to swallow the idea that the “internationalism” of the liberal tradition amounts simply to a disposition to kill foreigners is really insane.

Kevin Drum drove the point home:

“Insane” really is the right word here. Thanks to guys like Kristol, our foreign policy decisions have been increasingly framed through the lens of whether you’re willing to go to war. Not any particular war, but simply whether you’re willing to go to war in general. It’s Prussianism gone wild: every war is a good war.

What makes Lieberman’s idea even crazier is that Truman avoided more wars than he joined. That was the whole point of containment. He didn’t try to roll back Soviet gains in Eastern Europe; he provided aid to Greece and Turkey but no troops beyond a tiny advisory group; he airlifted supplies to Berlin but didn’t start a war over the Soviet blockade; and when he did go to war in Korea, he worked hard to get UN support. Given their actual records, does anyone seriously think that FDR, Truman, or JFK would have invaded Iraq if any of them had been president after 9/11? Anyone?

Of course not. Lieberman has chosen the wrong mantle, and then bastardized it.

Practically the only business of America anymore is war. Ever since 1941 we’ve either been at war or preparing for war. There is very little spin-off from war production. Sometimes it speeds up social change which would have taken longer without it. But mostly it’s manufacturing very expensive things which either never get used, get blown up in the process of being used, or simply get outdated by newer and more expensive things which never get used either.

Other nations now manufacture things for us and loan us the money with which to buy those things. Shouldn’t the primary task of our “leaders” be to point out the “dead-end-ness” of this approach?

I regard a capacity for war – or, in Lieberman’s case, a lust for it, really – as a sign of mental illness.

  • Heck yeah. Maybe “Joe-mentum” and his lucky tie can do for Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney what they did for Al Gore.

  • The idea that Republicans are seriously considering cross-polinating their ticket by using DINO Joe Lieberman as a running mate points to the fact that the Republican brand has lost its luster and having someone with a meaningless D after their name makes them look more sensible in comparison. What Kristol doesn’t get is the reason people are looking to the Democrats is to get someone in office who thinks the opposite of Joe Lieberman.

    The Repub ticket wouldn’t have more appeal to Dems and independents simply because Joe is a Republican in Dem’s clothing and everyone knows it. Look who voted for him in the ill-fated 2006 election in CT.

    Good luck with Joe guys. Not only might a portion of the “we are a Christian nation” crowd feel really squeamish at having a Jew in high office (imagine how the American Taliban would feel with a Mormon and a Jew in the White House!), but his personality sucks all the energy and charisma out of a room faster than you can say boring. Voters want this war over and Joe certainly isn’t a guy to help end it.

  • Well, I’ve been saying for the last year that all Joe really wanted was a chance to be on someone’s ticket in 2008 – you just know he can’t stop thinking that if Al Gore had been the president, he’d be the presumptive Democratic nominee for the presidency this go-round.

    For a while he was Velcro’d to McCain, but he backed off when McCain started tanking. Lately, every time he opens his mouth to whine, it’s patently obvious that he’s auditioning: “Pick me! Pick me!”

    As if the 2008 campaign isn’t already the longest ever, the idea of having to see that smug face and hear that whine for months on end just makes me ill.

  • Darth Joe as a GOP VP candidate in ’08? The Republikanner Beast would still lose—but it would be a good way to get the little “schweinhund” out of the Senate four years early.

    Run Joe—RUN! Run to your new masters and join their parade into thepit of political extinction. Go on, Jope—I dare you. I double dare you. I double-DOG dare you….

  • How many Democratic votes will Lieberman draw to the Republican candidate? Certainly not mine.

    I hope that this idea catches fire, and that Lieberman is on the Republican ticket. It would show his true Republican colors once and for all, and his relative liberalism on social issues and Jewishness will keep many Republicans from voting for the ticket.

    Spork, I’m afraid that without Lieberman in the Democratic caucus, we lose control of the Senate until the next election. There are presently 51 in the Dem caucus. If it goes, 50-50, Cheney breaks the tie.

  • Maybe the Grand Old Party should just try skipping the ‘08 election….Eight years of misrule by the Bush idiots has truly soured America on the judgment of the elders of the Republican Party. A solid majority of Americans want the Impeachment of VP Richard Cheney to go forward, if only to lay out his monstorous criminal record of lies, torture, corruption, cronyism, bullying, the outing undercover CIA agent Valarie Plame and her cover company, Brewster-Jennings, the secret oil company energy meetings where they prematurely divided up Iraq’s vast oil reserves, stolen elections, war crimes and treason. Why are Republicans covering up for Cheney? And ever a bigger why, why are Democrats covering up for Cheney?

  • You’re right Anne…having to listen to that whine would make us all sick. God I almost threw up reading a post about Lieberman by Kristol. The visual image of the two of them was overwhelming. That sickening grin of Kristokl and that putrid whine of Lieberman’s made me sick to my stomach.

    Here we were all looking forward to the day that Jerusalem Joe would be gone. He has lost all credibility and most of us were wondering how he could be recalled as Con. Senator. His blather has been off the mark for years and it’s pathetic how far his head has been up Bush’s butt while he panders to insane groups like Hagee’s fanatics of Christian fanatics for half wit Jews who want to blow Iran off the face of the earth to bring on Armageddon and “perfect” the Jews. Jerusalem Joe is a joke who every couple of months has to go on MTP or get some media attention to keep his ego humming. Talk about someone seeking attention. And Kristol, hell if he broke a nail he’d have to go to treatment. These two have no place in the American discourse any longer because they have been wrong on everything while smugly pretending they never said “that”.

  • My big problem with Lieberman as Gore’s running mate in 2000 was that he didn’t have enough stomach to hit the Republicans on their hypocrisies and absurdities. For what it’s worth, I bet he wouldn’t have the same hesitation in that role for the other side…

    Also, can we retire phrases like “Jerusalem Joe” and “The Lobby”? I’m a (secular) Jew. I detest Lieberman (and Kristol). I think AIPAC is powerful and pernicious, though not determinative. I don’t think there’s real anti-Semitic intent in either phrase, but I can easily see how a first-time visitor to the site would read it that way.

    Lieberman’s an asshole on the merits. His war-worship is the issue, not his predilection for Yahweh.

  • “(Rudy, you might try State or Defense, since you’ll need a pro-life running mate.)”

    What the hell difference would that make? Vice Presidents don’t decide legal questions like abortion.

    Oh, I suppose you’d want an ideological warrior to serve your purposes during the months of the campaign, speaking to the true believers in their own language. In that case, what’s so special about abortion?

    Here’s the other thing: You know what else Joe Lieberman did this past week? Introduced a bill to make the coastal plain of ANWR a wilderness — meaning no oil drilling would ever be allowed. Given the energy invested in arguing that ANWR oil is the key to independence from Arabian quagmires, it’ll take about two seconds for someone to peg Lieberman’s inconsistency on the issue. (Unless… Joe wants to occupy Iran to seize their oil, making ANWR moot.)

  • OkieFromMuskogee –

    (Someone correct me if I’m wrong) The organizing resolution for the current Senate session locks in a Dem majority until ’09. With or without Holy Joe.

    Maybe under a 50-50 Senate some parliamentary nonsense, with DeFib Dick’s help, could change that.

    .

  • Huckabee-Lieberman doesn’t sound like a “winning ticket” to me.

    Rather, it sounds like a fictional creature in a Dr. Seuss book. Or a word from “Jabberwocky.”

    I say bring ’em on.

  • Don’t listen to the naysayers, Joe. JOE LIEBERMAN FOR VP/REPUGS is a fantastic idea! Right now, with a one-vote Dem majority, Joe enjoys a do-nothing chairmanship and rates a “leadership” position in the Senate because otherwise he would join the Repugs and shift control of the Senate back to the bad guys (51-49 would become 50-50, with VP Cheney breaking the tie). Hopefully this will change in 2008 if the Dems win a more secure majority. They might even (don’t count on it) deprive him of his precious chairmanship. But the better scenario is that the Repugs make him resign from the Senate to run as Vice President (not sure, but I don’t see how they would accept an “Independent Democratic Senator” on their ticket), Joe gets his behind handed to him in the election, then finds a new life as a warmongering lobbyist. GO HUCKABEE-LIEBERMAN!!

  • Spork, I’m afraid that without Lieberman in the Democratic caucus, we lose control of the Senate until the next election. There are presently 51 in the Dem caucus. If it goes, 50-50, Cheney breaks the tie.

    Nope. The only shrewd thing Harry Reid has done this session was write the organizing rules such that party switches are irrelevant. Control doesn’t switch.

  • LIEBERMAN FOR VP/REPUGS is a fantastic idea!

    Almost as good as running ‘what’s his name’ Lamont against him the last election!

  • I actually like the idea of Sen. Lieberman as the Republican vice presidential nominee. If Sen. Clinton is our presidential nominee, there will supposedly be a big “Anybody But Hillary” movement to drive conservative voters to the polls. I can’t think of anybody better to counteract that for our side than Lieberman.

  • I’m not sure what different world I live in.
    I’m looking at swing voters here.

    Isn’t teh whole Unity 08 strategy to mix teh top ticket?
    How much the better for teh GOP than to appear SO bipartisan that they do this?

    How much mileage could they get from this? How many Dems understand that Democratic VP candidate is not particularly a standard bearer of the party? Try to remember… most people don’t read, much less read TCR.

    How many things does Joe stand for that Dems can’t other than Iraq? Sure Joe is against Iran, but few Americans outside liberal intellectuals see that as foolish saber rattling. Sure Joe might sooner see Washington nuked than Jeruselem, but how much criticism of Israel sees the light of day in Washington.

    I don’t think they’ll pick Joe, but it’s not absurd and it’s not an act of desperation if they surprise me and go through with it.

    Imagine: the near-perfect appearance of a compromise while giving nothing away.

  • Wasn’t the rabid lunatic wing of the GOP referring to Joe as “Loserman” just a few years ago? I seem to remember them selling “Sore-Loserman” posters at the 2000 and 2002 conventions. Now he’s their goldbenboy? They are so pathetic and dysfunctional. Anyone for giving them Texas? They can all move to Texas and be as fucked up and loony as they want to be. They can go around the world living their sadistic fantasies and blow up as much shit as they want. In return they’ll end up uniting the world against them and with any luck they’ll take ’em out and we’ll be done with them. Problem solved.

  • “Maybe “Joe-mentum” and his lucky tie can do for Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney what they did for Al Gore.”

    Yeah. Help him win.

    That’s the reason I don’t want Lieberman to run as Republican VP candidate; HE NEVER LOSES!! I’ve watched Lieberman from his beginnings in CT, and it’s always the same; he’s considered a long shot, the brunt of jokes, and in the end he wins. EVERY TIME.

  • The hallmark of Republican political philosophy today appears to embody two principles:
    Run up as much federal debt as possible, regardless of consequences.
    Start as many wars as you can, regardless of outcome.

    That appears to be why Joe Lieberman and Rudy Guiliani are the Republican ideals for 2008.

  • I would vote for Lieberman for President in a heart beat, not because I agree with him on everything, but because he is a man of principle.
    I am a disillusioned Republican that is sick of local Republican arrogance and condescension, yet I cannot bring myself to support the hate and lying for political gain that comes out of Democrats mouths either.

    As for he so called support for wars, many Presidents have made mistakes as well as good judgment calls here (including Clinton), however we live in a world where Evil can move Much faster and seeks to destroy everything good and moral in this world, so hiding ones head in the sand does nothing but allow evil to prosper, even if mistakes are made battling evil.
    I 100% agree with the quote: “Evil only prospers when good men do nothing”.
    My life and my family’s have been destroyed just because of persons not willing to make a stand against wrong and evil. I have quietly helped many over my life only to see others run at the speed of sound the other direction in my hour of greatest need!
    I see Joe Lieberman as a person who would never abandon another for the sake of political gain, to enrich himself, or simple condescension (as most Republicans do).

    Carl Strohmeyer

  • I am a Dem and If the Republicans picked Joe, I would switch my vote. I do not trust Obama..this would tell me the Rep party is more centered and not just controled by the far right wing. Joe is a good guy and is right on all the important matters.

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