Wait for the transcript

Yesterday, Barack Obama explained what he wants Congress to do with the next appropriations bill for Iraq. The AP offered a short summary and a two-sentence quote.

Despite the Iraq war’s unpopularity, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday that Congress lacks the votes to force a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops and will focus instead on putting a ceiling on the number deployed.

“One way of ending the war would be setting a timetable. We’re about 15 votes short. Right now it doesn’t look like we’re going to get that many votes,” Obama said, referring to the number needed to override an expected veto by President Bush.

This was hardly encouraging. The debate is barely underway, Dems hope to keep the pressure on Republicans, and if the AP account was right, Obama was practically conceding defeat before the political struggle even began in earnest.

Several leading progressive blogs pounced, explaining why we expect better from the senator.

Unfortunately, the AP account wasn’t right.

Here’s what Obama actually said.

I tell you what. I think that we want to get everybody on board to bring this war to a close…I want to be honest with you about where we are in Congress right now. We are gonna’ have a series of debates about funding the next phase of this war. And there are gonna’ be a couple of options.

One option is to just give the president a blank check, and to say ‘whatever you say Mr. President here, you keep on doing what you’re doing.’ I don’t think that is an acceptable option. Right now the question — one way of ending the war would be to impose a timetable where we would have all our combat troops out. And I had a bill that provided that timetable of March 30 th. We passed it with a majority voting for that in the Senate and in the House but the problem was the president vetoed that bill and to overcome a veto in the senate you gotta’ have 67 votes so were about 15 votes short. We were hoping to persuade enough Republican senators and Republican representatives to change their positions in order to override the President’s veto. And ill be honest with you right now, it doesn’t look like were going to get that many votes, but I think it’s important for everybody here to put pressure on Republican congressmen and Senators who have not recognized that were on a failed course so that we can at least see more votes on that bill.

The other thing that were also gonna’ try to do – I don’t know if everybody’s aware of this but those people who have been sent to Iraq have been on the kinds of rotations without rest and without proper training that the army itself says is unacceptable. We have people who are spending more time in Iraq than they are back home retraining and getting the rest that they need. And so what we’re going to try to introduce is legislation that says you have to at least give people a one year break for every year served in Iraq. And if were able to get that passed, and get sixty votes for that, then at least that would put a ceiling on how many troops could be sent there at any given time. So those are some of the approaches that were gonna’ try to take even before George Bush leaves office, but all that is going to require some pressure from all of you on our senators and your congressman, you know, who are really important.

He wasn’t accepting a defeat; he was trying to rally support for a change in policy. The AP’s account was largely backwards. As Kos put it, “[I]t wasn’t so much ‘resignation,’ as it was ‘help us change this.'”

I suspect this is going to happen quite a bit in the coming months. When you hear a Dem saying something that doesn’t sound right, the rule should probably be, wait for the transcript.

Conversely, if enough constituents contact their Democratic (and Republican) representatives and urge them to defund the occupation, then who would be to blame for Congress capitulating and continuing to fund the occupation, Senator Obama? Who, then, would be to blame for ignoring the will of the American People?

  • Haik @ 2

    The AP quote goes from “15 votes short” directly to “Right now it doesn’t look like..”. It cut out the exact sentence necessary to draw the opposite (correct) conclusion, “We were hoping to persuade enough Republican senators and Republican representatives to change their positions in order to override the President’s veto”

    Now do you understand?

  • This fits with Obama’s overall theme of putting some responsibility back into the hands of the people and attempting to get them more engaged in what’s going on with this country.

    Unfortunately, I think it fails at that. Instead of shifting responsibility it seems more like he’s shifting blame.

    Because we don’t know how many people have talked to the nay voters and never will, how will we know if they are ignoring or just not hearing from the people?

    I disagree with Haik, I do think the AP misrepresented what he said, I just don’t know if what he actually said is an effective vessel for change or a measurable outreach to the people.

    The people have spoken in other ways to no avail. Like Jkap said, “Who, then, would be to blame for ignoring the will of the American People?”

  • “When you hear a Dem saying something that doesn’t sound right, the rule should probably be, wait for the transcript.”

    The old journalism rule was simpler and deeper: assume the politician is self-serving and the proposed policy is probably no more than “rationalization”. Check the transcript, of course, but also try to find any unstated motive (usually involving money).

  • Those talking about blame just sound vindictive. Nowhere in the transcript is Obama laying blame at anyone’s feet for past failures. He’s calling on citizens to be engaged in the political process. This is a bad thing?

    Explain to me how it’s a bad thing for a politician to encourage citizens to engage.

    By the way, those who are obsessed with denying funding to the troops ought to know that, in reality, they a) do not represent a majority in the country, and b) are wholly misguided in thinking that such an effort will do anything to actually end the war.

    You’re basically pursuing a move that would be little more than symbolic in nature and a political loser for Dems. I think it speaks well of the Dem Senate that they’re not following this advice.

  • Now do you understand?

    Ah yes number 3- I do, actually thanks. It was the word “synopsis” that threw me. As a synopsis, I think is correct. As a quote it’s atrocious.

    It’s easy to write to the author and point this out if anyone wants to-

    MGLOVER@AP.ORG

  • “I think it’s important for everybody here to put pressure on Republican congressmen and Senators who have not recognized that we’re on a failed course so that we can at least see more votes on that bill.”

    That’s the most critical statement in the section of the transcript posted. And Barack’s absolutely right. As long as everyone on Capitol Hill with an (R) after their name acts as an unthinking dittohead, there simply will not be enough political mass to make anything happen. Elected Republican leaders are loyal only to Bush and Bush is only loyal to himself. Until this cult of personality is busted up, there isn’t a whole lot Dems can do.

  • Re: mop @ #6

    In one breath you praise Obama for encouraging the practice of democracy. I agree wholeheartedly.

    In another breath you apparently want to discourage those of us who support defunding the occupation.

    In my mind, democracy and political solidarity are, to some degree, mutually exclusive. People have to make up their minds for themselves –and preferably people will share their opinions with their elected representatives. It is the job of our elected representatives to represent the interests of the people, not the other way around.

    We need leadership from our elected representatives to give a voice to –and to take action on behalf of– the will of the people.

  • JKap, you make a good point about people needing to make up their own mind. However , they need to have their ‘own’ mind. Unfortunately too many of them make up their “FOX NEWS” mind.

    Also… bringing the troops home immediately, is a nice sounding bumber sticker, and that is all it is. Logistically it is impossible to bring the troops home immediately. Now if all those people clamoring for impeachment and bringing home the troops immediately came up with a plan on how actually to accomplish that, that would be refreshing. Keep in mind that there are NOT ENOUGH votes in the Senate to accomplish any of your wishes (for now)

    Obama has been about bringing home the troops since the beginning, but at least he is realistic enough to work towards that goal instead of spewing rhetoric that plays to the base.

    Obama’s statement was pretty close to what potentially can be accomplished., if you ask me.

  • ***mop***I disagree. Everything else has been tried and we end up every time with giving Bush everything he needs and continue funding this disaster. Your attitude is a defeatist one. Saying it won’t do any good, the people aren’t behind it, wouldn’t accomplish what you want it to accomplish…WTF. You sound like Pelosi on impeachment. It should be seen that the republicans cannot get enough votes to continue funding the occupation not that dems can’t get enough votes to withdraw the troops. Dems have what Bush wants…Not the other way around. It only takes 40 votes to cut the funding for anything but a fully funded withdrawal. This”waaaah…Bush won’t give us what we want” crap is just stupid. Bush will never leave Iraq unless he is forced to. Waiting for Republicans to see the light is stupid…they have sen the light …and it is shining from the 2012 elections. Bush knows his party hasn’t a chance in ‘08 but if he can push this war-occupation off on the dems…blame them for all problems associated with cleaning up Bush’s mess…then they’ve got a chance to win back the WH and win elections in 2012.
    Dems have the power to end this fiasco by not letting a funding bill come to the floor. They’ve have tried everything else and yet it continues. Bush refuses to compromise…congress can do the same. Not another dime. Obama fails to even mention this option nor does the press. Progressives are all behind it because we have had enough. I could go on and on about how it will be effective and why but if you look closely you will figure it out instead of just rejecting it off hand. Cut the funding…not one more dime. Support the troops by protecting from being “forced” to fight and die policing a civil war where they are being sacrificed to support the war profiteers. Protect the soldiers by getting them out of harm’s way…they trust us to protect them. Stop funding the damn thing. Don’t give in to Bush. “Give me the money I asked for or this soldiers gonna’ die.” “No he won’t because I’m giving you a plane ticket to send him home”. “I won’t send him home.” “Then we will override you and remove you from office, but either way this soldiers going home” Boehner says kill him, it’s a small price to pay to get the funding. Sorry, won’t happen. He’s being protected and sent home, out of harm’s way.

    Kucinich is the only one who understands it seems. If you don’t support the war then stop funding it.

  • #12

    Did you see Edwards on MSNBC after the speech last night? That’s exactly what he challenged the Congress to do. Kucinich isn’t the only one.

  • By the way, those who are obsessed with denying funding to the troops ought to know that, in reality, they a) do not represent a majority in the country, and b) are wholly misguided in thinking that such an effort will do anything to actually end the war. -mop

    I think this is largely because this is sold as somehow harmful to the troops. Honesty would shift the balance, I believe. And, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t this how the end of Vietnam was brought about? So there is precedent.

  • Also… bringing the troops home immediately, is a nice sounding bumber sticker, and that is all it is. Logistically it is impossible to bring the troops home immediately. Now if all those people clamoring for impeachment and bringing home the troops immediately came up with a plan on how actually to accomplish that, that would be refreshing.

    It’s funny. I can not recall any elected Democrats or anyone running for office with a D by their name calling for bringing troops home immediately(but I am open to the possibility that I’ve missed it). Usually I only see it in responses like this, where people are claiming that others are unserious for saying it. I don’t see anything in this post, or comments, or what Obama said that relates to bringing troops home immediately. Why bring it up? Do you believe that most people who want to bring the troops home think it can be done in an instant using teleportation?

    Who is playing to the base claiming troops can be brought home immediately?

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