WaPo tries again telecom immunity

One of the striking things about the debate over retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies is how unpersuasive proponents’ arguments are. There’s just not much in the way of a defense — telecoms turned over access to phone records and emails to the Bush administration without a warrant. That’s illegal. They got caught.

And now, the White House and far too many lawmakers are prepared to make the decision legal, six years after the fact. Two weeks ago, the WaPo editorial board weighed in on Bush’s side of the debate.

House Democrats are understandably reluctant to grant that wholesale protection without understanding exactly what conduct they are shielding, and the administration has balked at providing such information. But the telecommunications providers seem to us to have been acting as patriotic corporate citizens in a difficult and uncharted environment.

It’s a confusing argument. We know that the telecoms weren’t just motivated by “patriotism” during a “difficult” post-9/11 period, but were in fact cooperating with the NSA long before the 2001 terrorist attacks. We know this, of course, because the WaPo said so in a front-page story that ran the day before the paper editorialized on the subject.

Indeed, this same front-page article suggests the telecoms that were playing ball with the NSA weren’t necessarily driven by national service, but rather the corporate desire to secure lucrative contracts that were in jeopardy unless the companies obliged administration requests.

So, the WaPo editorial board tried again today.

As we have said, we do not believe that these companies should be held hostage to costly litigation in what is essentially a complaint about administration activities.

Does this make any sense?

First, litigating class-action lawsuits may indeed be “costly,” but not terribly so when it comes to the companies in question.

AT&T’s pre-tax net income in 2006 was $10.8 billion, and after-tax income was $7.3 billion. After law school, I was a litigator at the highest-charging corporate law firm in the country, and the absolute most I ever saw a single set of cases generate in fees was $1 million per month — during the months when the litigation was fully active (which is rare). And even in the most intensely fought cases among the largest corporations, the fees were almost always substantially less than that.

Besides, as a matter of legal principle, it’s not exactly a persuasive pitch. “Yes, your honor, we broke the law and got caught, but that shouldn’t matter because my legal fees cost a bundle.”

Second, the Post believes the principal concern here is over “administration activities.” That’s not right, either. These companies, which have teams of very capable lawyers on the payroll 24-7, were approached by the NSA to violate customers’ privacy rights without a warrant. They turned over the records freely. Obviously the administration should be held responsible for its sweeping surveillance efforts, but as the old saying goes, it takes two to tango. The Bush gang wouldn’t have exceeded its authority had the telecoms not gone along.

Ultimately, maybe the telecoms’ lawyers can make a case. Perhaps they can go to court and argue that the company’s executives were misled by Bush administration attorneys, which frees them of culpability. I don’t buy it, but who knows; maybe it’ll work in court.

But therein lies the point — let the judicial process work. If the telecoms’ lawyers can prove the companies aren’t liable, mazel tov. But what Bush, some lawmakers, and the WaPo editorial board argue is that Washington should short-circuit the legal process, allow Congress to act like an activist judge, and throw pending court cases out.

That they can’t come up with a coherent argument why is telling.

“…That they can’t come up with a coherent argument why is telling.”

But the people can come up with a compelling argument. These companies did not act out of patriotism…they acted out of greed, willing to sell their customers records for lucrative government contracts. Look at how many contracts they got after cooperating with Bush’s illegal activity.
Nor did they stop or ever question the legality of their activities. They knew it was illegal, they knew they were breaking the law, they accepted bribes to do it and made a fortune. Now they are trying to bribe congress to avoid paying penalties and fines for their law breaking. This should not even be an issue, they are guilty. They are not above the law.
Terrorism had little to do with their actions because if records were revealed we would learn Bush was spying on democrats and their donors. Only part of what they don’t want us to know.

  • These companies should lose their licenses, not get immunity. They, like the Bush administration, have violated the public trust. Sometime I feel as though I have found myself on some crazy parallel universe where everything is backwards and the very foundation of everything I ever believed in is gone. I think we are looking at a small example of why fascism is such a bad idea.

  • This is not an immunity deal for the telcos. That’s an added benefit. This is backdoor immunity for all the Bushie’s illegal spying on citizens.

    I want my country back, I want my constitution back.

  • As we have said, we do not believe that these companies should be held hostage to costly litigation in what is essentially a complaint about administration activities.

    As we have said, we do not believe that the bank robbers’ accomplices should be held hostage to costly litigation in what is essentially a complaint about the bank robbers’ activities.

    Does that sound silly to you, too?

  • A quid pro quo arrangement is not an act of patriotism, it’s a business deal. The telcoms bargained our privacy and personal information for something in return. That’s theft. That’s breach of contract. That’s anything but being a patriotic American. It’s more right wing BS: cloak criminal activity in the flag and call it patriotism.

  • Of course everything CB writes up above makes utter good sense.

    In America you are innocent until proven guilty.
    Since when isn’t THAT good enough?
    Since when do we demand via DECLARATION that “some” people are innocent BEFORE they are proven guilty?
    That reeks of third world justice systems:
    Government by the powerful for the powerful:
    Go ahead and break the law for me.
    If you get caught… I’ll sprinkle you some retroactive immunity fairy dust.

    That’s not America.
    Never has been.
    Never should be.

    Of course it also has deeper moral issues that I wrote about in a comment here:
    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13374.html#comment-304538

    The only thing I can add to my previous comment and this one is this quote by Aristotle:

    At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst.

  • If the government had approached the telcos and asked them to kill people who might be terrorists in the street, in exchange for vast sums of money, and the telecoms had been doing that, would we be talking about their patriotic spirit and protecting them from wrongful death lawsuits?

    The telcos had a clear legal duty to refuse to provide this information without proper legal process, like a warrant, which they did not have. Crimes committed at the behest of the President are still crimes.

  • Most corporations take retroactive immunity for granted. Given the public’s ignorance and inability to organize, they’re almost always safe in doing so. Do they actually have to legislate themselves such safety?

  • I would be willing to give them retroactive immunity in exchange for free internet access for everyone in America and their unconditional support of net neutrality. For corporations, that’s the equivalent of community service.

  • […] we do not believe that these companies should be held hostage to costly litigation […]

    The “costs” of class-action suits extend beyond the legal fees. Class-action suits tend to be more visible than others — written about and talked about by the MSM. Not to mention that, when you have a group of plaintiffs instead of just one, there’s a better chance of more dots being connected in the process and the crime being exposed in its full enormity. And that, I think, as much as the legal fees, is what’s keeping the telecoms knickers in a twist.

    I agree with Gracious (@2) — they should lose their licences, not get immunity. But the chances of it happening… With so many Dems also in thrall to those telecoms…

  • One of the striking things about the debate over retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies is how unpersuasive proponents’ arguments are. There’s just not much in the way of a defense — telecoms turned over access to phone records and emails to the Bush administration without a warrant. That’s illegal. They got caught.

    Actually that’s not strictly what we’re talking about. Or at least that’s not how I heard it. If they broke the law they would be liable for criminal charges. But it’s my understanding that none of this has anything to do with criminal charges. From what I’ve read the telecoms seem pretty confident they are covered in terms of any criminal wrongdoing because they gave out information only in compliance with official government requests.

    So unless I’m missing something here, when we talk about immunity all we’re talking about is immunity from getting sued by their customers. Well, I’m pretty sure my own carrier was mixed up in this so if someone did bring a class action suit against them and won, maybe I’d get another check for 37 cents a couple of years from now, after the appeals. I’m sorry to be the contrarian (again), but frankly that does not excite me. I’d be more than willing to trade that for something good.

    Ripping the covers off this whole affair and finding out what the hell has been going on, some hearings, some resignations, ideally a few prosecutions on the government side, modernizing applicable laws to clarify and close up any loop holes, maybe even forcing the telecoms to play ball on net neutrality, I’d be more than happy to spend my 37 cents on any one those. Two or more, even better.

  • ***Crimes committed at the behest of the President are still crimes.***
    ———————biggerbox.

    On this, I must concur entirely; as it was with the henchmen of Nixon (remember the Watergate burglars?), so it must be with the henchmen (in this case, the telecoms) of Bush.

    And how might such clearly-criminal actions fare, were they committed in a different context? If an irate citizen or two went out at night and brought down several dozen cell-towers, or a few automated switching stations, would they be equally defended by these cantankerous editorials on the grounds that their “legal fees will be too expensive?” If they claimed the defense of “just following orders from above,” would they be exonerated by the batsh*t brigade? If they plied the excuse that “they were doing it because of 9/11,” would they be held up as heroic citizens by Congressional members of the GOP?

    No. They would be tried as terrorists, convicted of terrorism, and quite possibly incarcerated for life—at the very minimum for a couple dozen years or so.

    Such would be the case for the common citizen, and such should be the case for the telecoms. This is not about immunity from litigation; this is about the blatant commission of multiple, premeditated felonies against the People of the United States in a time of war, for political and financial gain.

    Last time I checked, that came fairly close to meeting the definitions of War Profiteering, and of Treason. If I was a telecom exec who had played along with the game, I’d be squealing for immunity really, really loud….

  • It makes about as much as sense as the Post endorsing batwing Republican Jill Holtsman Vogel in her Virginia state Senate race against a “respected, hardworking educator, school board member and community leader” (in Fred Hiatt’s own words) ’cause of the batwing’s “spark and command of state issues.”

    You see, as the she-barracuda lawyer proudly boasts on her campaign Web site, she helped Bush-Cheney steal, er, win the disputed Florida vote in 2000. And never mind the more recent nasty business against her GOP primary opponent that landed him in legal trouble right before Election Day.

    It’s exactly the kind of spark folks should vote against. But a little hardball never hurt anyone, right? It’s just part of Hiatt’s pattern when pontificating on sleaze and illegality.

  • I have a question, if the obtaining of this information was so vital to the “fight on terror,” and it was in place pre 9-11, then wouldn’t they have been able to find out that something was going on and been able to put a stop to it?

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