‘We are conducting military operations inside Iran right now’

We’ve been hearing conservative bluster for months about the alleged need for a military confrontation in Iran. As it turns out, we may be dealing with more than just bluster.

Air Force Col. Sam [tag]Gardiner[/tag] (Ret.), for example, appeared on CNN last night and suggested, “We are conducting military operations inside [tag]Iran[/tag] right now. The evidence is overwhelming.” That evidence includes:

1) The House Committee on Emerging Threats recently called on State and Defense Department officials to testify on whether U.S. forces were in Iran. The officials didn’t come to the hearing.

2) “We have learned from Time magazine today that some U.S. naval forces had been alerted for deployment. That is a major step.”

3) “The plan has gone to the [tag]White House[/tag]. That’s not normal planning. When the plan goes to the White House, that means we’ve gone to a different state.”

On the second point, referencing Time magazine’s cover story this week, the article certainly has an interesting scoop that I haven’t seen elsewhere.

The first message was routine enough: a “Prepare to Deploy” order sent through naval communications channels to a submarine, an Aegis-class cruiser, two minesweepers and two mine hunters. The orders didn’t actually command the ships out of port; they just said to be ready to move by Oct. 1. But inside the Navy those messages generated more buzz than usual last week when a second request, from the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), asked for fresh eyes on long-standing U.S. plans to blockade two Iranian oil ports on the Persian Gulf.

It certainly sounds like something fairly serious is going on, doesn’t it? As the article notes, the military planning and the White House’s agenda “would seem to suggest that a much discussed — but until now largely theoretical — prospect has become real: that the U.S. may be preparing for war with Iran.”

Well, maybe.

As Slate’s Fred Kaplan noted, [tag]Bush[/tag] may be getting ready for yet another war, or he may be using the threat of one to spur negotiations. Or maybe both.

The two are not mutually exclusive, especially since various factions within the administration are split on the issue. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice seems genuinely to be doing what secretaries of state tend to do — seek a diplomatic solution. Vice President Dick Cheney seems to be doing what he tends to do — heighten the confrontation.

Faced with internecine conflicts of this sort, President Bush has a striking tendency to avoid making a decision and to let the factions fight it out. It’s possible, in other words, that the administration is playing both approaches — mobilizing as a tool of diplomatic pressure and mobilizing as an act of impending warfare — not as a coordinated strategy but as parallel actions, each of which will follow its inexorable course.

Once the weapons are in place, the airstrikes wouldn’t follow automatically; the [tag]president[/tag] would have to give the order. But if the attack is ready to go, and if the Iranians are still thumbing their noses, would this president call it off and start over? It’s best not to face the situation to begin with.

Stay tuned.

“Bush may be getting ready for yet another war, or he may be using the threat of one to spur negotiations.”

. . . or he may be using the threat of one to win elections.

  • or, Kaplan may be a sucker. No doubt Bush wants to keep up the ambiguity — look how many Senators claim they only voted for the Iraq use of force resolution because they thought Bush needed the stronger hand for negotiations; they never thought he’d really use it. Bush appears to live by the theory “keep running the same play until they prove they can stop it.”

  • Or, he may be an imbecile being cajoled into yet another farcical-but-for-the-horror-of-it-all quagmire where our largely under-class Republican military will be thrown like so much fodder at a situation with no real goal except to destabilize the oil-rich Middle East and line the pockets of select American businesses.

    At this point, Bush doesn’t even deserve the benefit of the doubt. Not after squandering our heroic soldiers, letting the murderer behind 9/11 live, and ruining our economy by spending more money in less time than anyone–anyone–in human history.

    Remember when invading Iraq was a debated question? Does anyone honestly think anything that was said during that time had any effect on the plans already in motion just days after 9/11? I have the nagging feeling that, whatever I planned, all the current “debate” is similarly meaningless.

    Why not call the administration on the BS now? Demand hard answers and let them squirm. Turn this into the anti-election issue.

  • Every time I hear Bush is preparing to start another war, I can’t help wondering, “With what?” Or to put it another way, “Him and whose army?” I mean, thanks to the war in Iraq, it’s not like we’ve got a lot of operational military capability just sitting around doing nothing right now…

  • Iran is a particularly mountainous country and it is full of ethnic minorities with no great love for the Persians running the place. This would not be the first rumor I’ve heard through the MSM that American Special Operations Command (SOCOM) forces (Navy SEALS, Delta, Marine Reconnaissance, SAS, Rangers and Green Berets) have been penetrated into the country to find both targets and allies. After all, that long border between Iraq and Iran is as porous in one direction as the other. If terrorists can cross into Iraq from Iran…

    David Ignatius (sp) wrote recently after having returned from Iran that the Iranians seem to believe that America will be too “smart” to allow this confrontation to escalate into war.

    What a effing naive bunch of people to believe that there is anyone in the Bushite White House “Smart” enough to stop Boy George II from starting his third war. The twit is being told he has to start a war with Iran before he’s out of office because his sucessor is going to be a wimp Democrat (or worse a ‘Realist’ Republican). This is the Neo-cons last chance to “prove” they were right all along, despite failing at every adventure they’ve taken America on so far.

    When the tour guides keep taking you into quagmires, it’s time to change guides.

    All that said, I would just hope that the Bushites would make clear this time that we are not applying the “Pottery Barn Rule”. Anything we break, we leave to someone else to fix. It’s not like we have much of a track record to go on, after all.

  • I don’t know what the motivation or the reawlity is here but I know this – THe threat of launching a war (as a bluff) is greatly deminished when the enemy knows that your military is stretched to the breaking point in Iraq and that Afghanastan is heating up to a simmer again. Of course Iran is right between these two large forces fo the US military and we probably can beat them in an old school blow shit up war. We just can’t do anything with the country after we conquer it.

    However, I need to comment on Charles’ thought that there is an election coming up. I was looking over the headlines at CNN this morning and here is what I saw:
    1) Mother’s throat slashed and newborn baby stolen
    2) ME parents kidnap 19 year old daughter to force her to have an abortion (No shit I swear)
    3) Pope thinks it is too bad Muslims were offended by his comments
    4) Bush and Iran PM to avoid eachother at UN

    There seems to be a reall push here to rile up the base. Religion, nuclear war and international diplomatic gamesmanship, kidnapped babies and forced abortion! Now, it stories 1 and 2 are true they are horrible and sick but I find them to be very convienently timed. Stories 3 and 4 are less earth shattering but unfortunate. I believe the Pope write a letter in 2004 when he was Cardinal Ratzo suggesting Kerry was a bad Catholic because he supported abortion rights. If I recall this hurt Kerry to some degree.

    I may be too jaded and cynical but this whole thing is too Rovian to be an accident.

  • We know we’re due for another October surprise. A third losing war is as good as any, I suppose. Will Americans ever wise up? Yeah, I know, when pigs fly.

  • Just wondering why the USwould want to establish a blockade in the Persian Gulf. Isn’t one of the major costs of going to war with Iran that it will disrupt the flow of oil (because of technical/logistical issues or because Iran stops shipping it) onto the world market, immediately causing the price of oil to skyrocket?

  • Boy, I am excited… If this turns out to be true, and it does blow wide open before the election, my (few) friends are never going to live down the “I told you so’s”…

  • I remember convincing myself that Bush was just bluffing to get Hussein to let inspectors in because as much as I didn’t trust the man, I didn’t think he was that insane. So yes, he’s stupid enough to do it.

    At this point, I’m rooting for war with Iran. I mean, if Bush’s vision is going down, it should go out as it came in: in glorious flames. There are still far too many cultists, in my opinion, clinging onto the torture/genocide/nuke ’em for their freedom so they don’t nuke us over here foreign policy, that only $200 a barrel oil and regional warfare can cure.

    Hell, I say move to the right of Bush. Start taunting him. “I overheard Syria say Iran was talking smack about you. You gonna let him diss you like that? What are you? A pussy? We woulda clocked that bastard five years ago!”

    Break out the popcorn, fellas. The sequel’s never as good as the original, but it’s got twice the budget and five times the pyrotecnics. It’s gonna be a hell of a show!

  • “Just wondering why the US would want to establish a blockade in the Persian Gulf.” – johnny d

    We’d be there to prevent a blockade, not establish one. Though I suppose we’d likely be blocking the shipment of oil from Iran. Or at least until we “liberate” the Arab populated coast and its oil facilities from their Persian domination 😉

  • IF all this is true and IF we’re preparing for a third front in the “war on terror,” then Bush is attempting the biggest power grab since Hitler. It sure makes the theory that the NeoCons are trying to bring about Armeggedon seem more feasible.

  • “only $200 a barrel oil and regional warfare can cure.” – Memekiller

    Have you noticed the slide in gasoline prices and from that, the slide in Oil Company profits. Can’t have that, can we. Low gasoline prices might be okay until November, but after that, we need to drive the prices back up and how better than a conflict in the Persian Gulf?

  • “It sure makes the theory that the NeoCons are trying to bring about Armeggedon seem more feasible.” – chrenson

    Now, that’s not fair. It’s the Theocratic Reactionary Rapturist “I don’t want to die like Granddad did” wimps who are trying to bring about the End Times and go straight to Heaven without passing Death. The NeoCons think they are very clever and are the ones using the Rapturists (Christian Zionists). Of course the Rapturists think they are very clever and are using the NeoCons.

    And the Texas (Oilmen) Mafia rakes in the money while the Chamber of Commerce Conservatives smile at their tax refunds.

    And True Christians wonder why there is more poverty in America and the World?

    And I need to get away from this computer…

  • Part of me is cynical enough to believe that Bush would start a war with Iran. The Mrs. says he has “Small Penis Syndrome” and has to prove what a man he is by starting wars and bullying people. Not sure that’s a concept I want to develop further, but I think you all get the point.

    But the other part of me is fairly confident that there is no way in hell they’d do anything before November. The GOP is already in a position to have its ass handed to it in the upcoming election, and I can’t for one second think that Bush would do anything to further jeopardize their chances.

    Also, the military is stretched to thin, and they’d have to reinstitute the draft. Not gonna happen. Add that with the fact that they know that the Dems will start investigating all kinds of stuff if they get the majority, and I’m just not buyin’ it.

    The Neocons #1 goal is power, and military action against Iran would threaten that power. I just can’t see them doing anything this big until after Nov. 7.

  • “Break out the popcorn, fellas. The sequel’s never as good as the original, but it’s got twice the budget and five times the pyrotecnics. It’s gonna be a hell of a show!” – Memekiller

    Not to seem snide, but you do realize that you’re joking about the deaths of even more tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Iran? It’s a laugh to think about “pyrotechnics” when you consider that’s a 2000-lb bomb landing in someone’s neighborhood.

    Where’s the outrage that our effing Prez is gonna kill many more thousands of civilians so he can look the cowboy??? Oh yeah, it’ll be in the madrasas and the neighborhood cafes. Bush won’t be Prez in 2 years, but we’ll still be Americans trying to live as part of the world. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to live in a “fortress America”.

  • And somewhere just outside of DC, in a series of underground caves, there’s a room full of large aluminum boxes with blinking lights and whirring tapes. And there is an enormous throne of stainless steel and black leather. And on that throne sits Dick Cheney, smirking to himself and absent-mindedly stroking a white Persian cat with a diamond studded collar. And all his minions are dutifully working at the various controls. And a calm young female voice can be heard over the loudspeaker. And she is saying, “The Capitol Building will self-destruct in 10 seconds…9…..8…..7…..” And meanwhile, James Bond is getting it on with Paris Hilton on a cruise ship in the Bahamas.

    And I feel a draft.

  • The Astrogeek- Lighten up! Go watch Dr. StrangeLove, and have conniptions over nuclear war killing hundreds of millions!

    Seriously, though, the best way to deal with tyrants is to laugh at them. Tyrants never seem to have good senses of humor…

    Life’s too short to take every second so seriously, and, hey, since we can’t stop war in Iran, we might as well enjoy it (personally, I am looking forward to getting some good digital coverage of a nuke going off…)

  • This—if it’s true—as pure insanity. Herr Bush is fighting into a stalemate in Iraq; his NATO pals are being rocked back on their heels in the Afghan theater, and now someone wants to give Iran a legal reason to inject their military capabilities into the conflict?

    If the US goes to war against Iran, then Iran has the military right—not “priviledge,” but RIGHT, mind you—to seek out and engage the enemy, wherever he may be. That gives Tehran the opportunity to cross the Iraqi frontier “en masse,” with the objective being to engage US forces in Iraq. Should that happen, I give Herr Bush’s vaunted “Green Zone” about 5 days—6 at best—before it’s literally pulverized into the sands of Baghdad.

    And Ahmadinejad will bear the laurels of a liberator from Iraq’s Shiite majority….

  • A couple of retired gruppenfuhrers were on O’Reilly last night really charged up about this. They, uh, “think” (help me find another verb here, someone) that this war is a done deal.

  • Holy shit, Steve! When you put it that way it sounds incredibly possible and infinitely frightening. And you can bet that, because it’s a possible outcome of their wicked scheme, the Bushinistas haven’t considered it.

  • Pretty hard to take out all those nuclear installations without some nuclear “muscle” of our own — nuclear “bunker busters.”

    In order to generate public buy-in, we need to get people thinking more positivelyabout nuclear war. Get them worked up about the Iranian “threat.” And on the other hand — just in case we need to use those nuclear bunker busters — make the idea of using nukes a little more thinkable. We need a little infotainment…

    How about a “high-concept” TV soap featuring a plucky red state small town with a biblical name surviving nuclear catastrophe while those sinners in the big cities apparently burn in hellfire and disappear? Yeah, new CBS show “Jericho” just might do it.

  • ‘But the other part of me is fairly confident that there is no way in hell they’d do anything before November. The GOP is already in a position to have its ass handed to it in the upcoming election, and I can’t for one second think that Bush would do anything to further jeopardize their chances.’

    I would tend to agree with you but it may be that they have already written off the Congress. They know they are going to lose the House and it’s looking more and more like the Senate will flip. Maybe, just maybe, they want to start this thing before they lose control on the Hill. That’s my guess, anyway.

  • sanran–
    You know, I never thought about that. Kinda the, “What the hell — if we’re going out, we might as well go out in a ball of fire” mentality. Thanks for making me depressed. 😉

    Of course, there’s one thing that I’m sure the Bushites either haven’t thought of, or have and are ignoring:

    Wouldn’t dropping explosives near and/or on radioactive material cause just a bit of an issue? I’m no ordinance or nuclear materials expert, but blowing up a facility full of uranium can’t be a good thing.

  • Well, the idea of a naval task force, including an Aegis cruiser in the Persian Gulf certainly makes me feel safer. Remember last time, when the Iranians attacked us with their diabolical Airbus A300 weapon. Luckily our high tech military was able to intercept them in time. Tough luck for the 290 passengers and crew (including 66 children) aboard the Airbus. Bring it on!

    Excuse me; I have to go throw up now.

  • Hard to tell if they’re bluffing, they don’t have the manpower to win a war with Iran but they might be stupid enough to believe that air power (nukes) would win a war with Iran. Of course that would be bat-shit-crazy, but we all know how much neocons care about that.

    I think they may be working under the assumption that Israel is going to nuke Iran before Iran can get a nuke, and that when that happens the US will have no choice but to go in and mop up the remaining Iranian missiles and large military targets before they converge on our troops in Sitting Duck Land.

    Israel is clearly capable of starting this war and could carry out the majority of the nuking with its aircraft, submarines and cruise missiles, but it remains to be seen if they are that desperate to stop Iran’s nuclear program.

    Any attack on Iran would of course lead to a counterattack on targets within their range, the Saudi oil facilities would be one I would expect to see hit hard. If the Iranians saw no choice but to attack the US troops in Iraq, IMO 80% the American people would all line up behind the imperial cowboy after he pushed the big red button. So maybe that’s the plan; a hail-mary to get Bush back in the black politically.

    We’ve painted ourselves into a corner, and I suspect it’s no accident, and it almost makes the neocon’s insanity of the last few years make sense. With our military ground down into the dirt, and with them so precariously close to the Iranian army, and with someone else starting the war, there would be no choice but for us to use nukes.

    I am hoping that James Baker’s task force has gotten to the breaker box in Cheney’s insane machine, and that this is just a bluff to get Republicans to vote this fall.

    But hope is not a plan.

  • Faced with internecine conflicts of this sort, President Bush has a striking tendency to avoid making a decision and to let the factions fight it out. It’s possible, in other words, that the administration is playing both approaches — mobilizing as a tool of diplomatic pressure and mobilizing as an act of impending warfare — not as a coordinated strategy but as parallel actions, each of which will follow its inexorable course.

    If we are hanging our hopes on Condi’s ability to out maneuver Deadeye Dick, then I would say war is a foregone conclusion.

  • I’m glad this story is coming out now. I knew about this over a month ago. I was having a casual conversation with a woman who’s son is in Iraq. He was coming home for a break and she was excited. I asked her if her son would be sent back to Iraq after his break. She said “No, he’ll be going to Iran for a year.” That surprised me. Not that Bush would send troops, but that he was doing it now. I said “What? Did you say Iran?”. She looked kind of guilty for a second, like she said something she didn’t mean to say. But she did verify that she said Iran. I said I didn’t know we had a military presence in Iran. Her response was:

    “Um… we don’t… um… offfically…um…. yet.”

  • IF Bush tries an assault it would have to be from sea/air missles, not ground forces. Not only are there no ground forces left but the Iranian army is a completely different proposition than the Iraqi military. That’s why I feel a bit uneasy hearing the Navy might be involved.

    Meanwhile in North Korea… Nothing much happening in the land of loony IAEA inspector expelling, missle launching, saber rattlers. But don’t worry. If Shrub chooses to go after Iran rather than North Korea it’s not about the oil.

    tAiO

    p.s. If MonkeyMan does attack Iran and does win and then gets on the deck of another air carrier in a flight suit I hope someone shoots him off.

  • One thing that scares the hell out of a potential naval blockade and aerial bombardment is that the Iranian response might look something like this wargame from 2002:

    http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/galloway/14435366.htm

    I don’t know if the Iranians are that capable, but one has to think they saw what happened during this exercise, and the fact that the DoD ignored the results, and may have game-planned a response similar to Gen. Van Riper’s Red Force.
    Kind of like how the Japanese used the British attack on the Italian fleet at Taranto in 1940 as a model for Pearl Harbor.

    The Iranians may eventually pay a heavy price, but they just might get in a really nasty sucker punch aimed right at the US’s nose.

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