‘We are fighting to defend that which is not there’

Harold Meyerson’s assessment of the U.S. role in Iraq is one of the smarter things I’ve read on the war in a while. In just a few hundred words, Meyerson makes clear a reality that seems to elude far too many war supporters: “We are fighting to defend that which is not there.” (via Brian Beutler)

We are fighting for a national government that is not national but sectarian, and has shown no capacity to govern. We are training Iraq’s security forces to combat sectarian violence though those forces are thoroughly sectarian and have themselves engaged in large-scale sectarian violence. We are fighting for a nonsectarian, pluralistic Iraq, though whatever nonsectarian and pluralistic institutions existed before our invasion have long since been blasted out of existence. In the December 2005 parliamentary elections, the one nonsectarian party, which ran both Shiite and Sunni candidates, won just 8 percent of the vote.

Every day, George W. Bush asks young Americans to die in defense of an Iraq that has ceased to exist (if it ever did) in the hearts and minds of Iraqis…. The Iraq for which Bush compels Americans to fight has neither [adherents not territory].

It’s an uncomfortable reality, but as Matt Yglesias notes, policy makers in both parties need to understand that “situations arise where the United States can’t be involved in a useful way.”

And Meyerson makes clear that this is just such a scenario.

One of the mysteries of the current discussion of how best to get out of Iraq is that so many otherwise clear-eyed critics of administration policy say we should withdraw our combat troops but leave units behind to train Iraqi forces. As rational policy, it’s vastly preferable to leaving combat forces there as well, but it leaves unanswered the question of which Iraqi forces, exactly, we should train. Those of the current Shiite-dominated Nouri al-Maliki government, which has employed Shiite forces to terrorize Sunni areas? What exactly would we train these forces to do? Be more tolerant of the Sunnis? Would that we could, and would that we could train Sunnis to be more tolerant of the Shiites, but these are matters not subject to training.

When Gen. David Petraeus testifies to Congress in September, he should be asked how many nonsectarian units the Iraqis are fielding, in actions that effectively build a nonsectarian Iraq. If the answer is zero, Congress could declare that it is U.S. policy to bolster Shiite Islam — or, alternatively, Sunni Islam — with the force of our arms. Or maybe, just maybe, it could begin mandating the withdrawal of American forces.

It cannot, alas, compel the Bush administration to engage in the wide-ranging diplomacy that could result in a formal partition of Iraq that might be less bloody than the de facto partition currently underway. The president argues that the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq is all that prevents an all-out civil war there. Unless you believe, however, that the U.S. occupation can magically quell or outlast Iraq’s sectarian rifts, then an internationally and domestically negotiated partition should be the most urgent task of U.S. statecraft.

Good advice.

Reminds me of the people who say that ours is a constitutional democracy.

Would that it were.

As long as we have a congress that allows the constitution to be trod upon by the executive branch, we don’t.

  • Bush and the Republicans remind me of the joke about the guy standing in front of his house, rubbing his stomach and head simultaneously. Asked why, he replies that he’s “keeping the elephants away,” and proudly notes it’s working because there are no elephants to be seen. That is the “fight ’em there” rationale.

    The situation in Iraq is hopeless. All we are doing is delaying the inevitable, while wasting American lives and money. Predictions of wholesale collapse upon an American exit are valid. Neither Bush nor the Democrats want to be associated with the bloody result. Therefore, we’ll be there for several more years, pretending it matters. Keeping the elephants away.

  • Tapping water in a bath to make it lie flat. Just walk away and leave it and it will quieten down and become smooth and calm in no time at all.

    Seriously, it is so obvious; but so few can see it or admit it.

    Aside from that, what business is it of America to be concerning itself in the internal affairs of another country? Or is that a question that makes you blush?

  • This administration will be hell bent to stay in Iraq until the mammoth embassy is fiished and the permanent military bases are finished………that was my prediction until this morning when our “Leader and Great Decider” spoke to tell us that He wants us to stay in Iraq for 50 years as we did / are doing iin Korea……………….well that should make military recruitment and balancing our budget much easier….
    When will we be so fed up and take to the streets in each and every city in this country?????

  • Meyerson does a really good job of pointing out the obvious facts that are lost in all the bloviating. The Iraq Bush speaks of is a myth. There is no there there.

    Say what you will about Saddam, but he did provide the tension that held these disparate religious and ethnic groups from pulling apart and instead to remain a nation. That’s why it’s essential to engage in diplomacy with the other nations in the region to play a role in reducing the sectarian problems. Bringing in Saudi Arabia and Iran, among others, to influence their respective sectarian brothers offers the best glue to keep things from fracturing further. An American kid with a semi-auto rifle in his hands will not affect a peace between rival Muslim groups, no matter how many bullets we buy for him and how many tours we force him to do over there.

  • I agree with you, petorado (#5), that diplomacy is the course we should be taking in this troubled region (and elsewhere). Trouble is, warmongering President George W. Bush doesn’t “cotton to such an approach,” if I got that terminology correct though not a real quote.

    Let’s hope the presidential and congressional elections in 2008 and beyond would help restore true democracy to our shores!!

  • Does a serious group exist that is working on a theoretical new constitution? The Miracle at Philadelphia was extraordinary but requires significant and various alterations and clarifications. Too many to ever be achieved piecemeal. The Miracle did not descend fully formed from the heavens. The thoughts of many brilliant people who were not at Philadelphia, or even alive, influenced the far from rough draft that Madison presented for consideration. History provided a roadmap for avoiding old pitfalls. We have enough history laden with pitfalls and obstructions with the current constitution to offer guidance. We now need some serious rough drafts available for consideration by all.

    Things can never change while we have nothing but reverence for a structure that changes at best glacially by legal means, and is easily subverted due to its lack of specificity(it was hot in Philadelphia, the Founders weren’t Gods, and now antiquated considerations limited their achievement).

    When the country faces dissolution and current trends make that appear inevitable, we, all of us, need to have thought about what must be done and how. Enough with the deck chairs! Leave that for the politicians, corporations, and plutocrats harvesting our future while we watch American Idol, thinking that the current system will protect us.

  • Partition sounds good but will never satisfy Sunnis who feel they would be cheated out of land AND oil revenues. Each of course would want their own security forces. The big issue is that all of this would resolve itself one way or another if the US would just get out. But here we stay trying to referee their civil war to protect US corporate interests. Like the article states, we are supporting Shiites or Sunnis but not both, so the violence will continue , especially against the US till we get out and allow Iraq to become responsible for their own destiny. Sooner or later they will tire of the violence and make their own agreements in order to live together out of necessity. The process won’t begin till the US withdraws.

  • couldnt make it through the whole video. could anyone else? i used to watch orielly because i loved his insanity and his occasional disagreement with fox and the gop. but since the november elections and his audience share dwindling hes just become plain nuts! im not being glib when i say that i really think hes losing his mind. hes deluded himself into believing hes a man with real influence. 99% of america has probably never heard of this guy yet he speaks as though he is driving the natl debate.

  • Meyerson’s article makes it so much easier to promote a “don’t enlist” philosophy—especially at this time of year, when so many are graduating in the next week or two, and the recruiting vultures are circling the campuses of our nation’s high schools and colleges

  • “We are fighting to defend that which is not there.” H. Meyerson

    No. I am sorry. But we are fighting to lay claim to that which is there but which is not ours. It is oil and it is strategic land near and on top of oil. That’s it. That’s why we are there.

    I am tired of these arguments that go on and on like there could be something rational about our presence in Iraq and that we are training or laying groundwork or that there is some underlying good that ShrubCo intends but is just too incompetent and stupid to achieve.

    They have achieved what they wanted. Their efforts in Iraq are a success. We aren’t looking at failure from ShrubCo’s perspective. The embassy. The bases. Our presence in Iraq is a testament to the power of oil and the military industrial complex and discussions that wander here and there attempting to decode what ShrubCo intends to do with Sunni and Shia and how wrongheaded their approach to democracy is and the “mysteries of the current discussion of how to get out of Iraq” are insanely ridiculous.

    Shruby and his neo-con fellow travelers don’t ever want to leave Iraq. Why can’t we talk about this situation clearly? Our military is being used to acquire and hold middle eastern lands for the oil beneath the surface. Period. The dead people don’t matter. American or foreign. The American money being spent is the equivalent of confetti to ShrubCo.

    There’s been an interesting thread generated by an e-mail that Josh Marshall has been riffing on all day. It is encapsulated here in this paragraph but I would recommend reading the various threads prompted by that e-mail by TPM reader DS:

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/014379.php

    From Josh: “As TPM Reader DS made clear in the email we posted earlier, there’s only one goal that makes sense of that strategy. And that is to permanently dominate the cluster of oil fields in southern Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iran. Nothing to do with democracy, as though that needed saying. But also nothing to do with terrorism. We’re permanently occupying Iraq to lock down the world oil supply.”

    We are in Iraq as an imperialistic, larcenous bully. The desire to seek nuance and assess smokescreen goals within a frame of some sort of rationality is crazy. ShrubCo has what it wants.

    We either get out. Get the hell totally out. Or we are there. For a long f’ng time. With Korea’s DMZ as some sort of desirable model. ShrubCo would just as soon cut their dicks off as get out of Iraq.

  • We are fighting to defend that which is not there.

    Just for the record, many commenters have made this point for years. Within the last 2 weeks I said in response to the Iraqi gov’t vacation, to paraphrase, ‘Americans are dying to defend a government the Iraqis don’t even care about.’

  • Say what you will about Saddam, but he did provide the tension that held these disparate religious and ethnic groups from pulling apart and instead to remain a nation.

    Well, I think you mean he was a sufficiently brutal and effective tyrant to keep them all under his boot. Let’s be plain about it: that’s what it took to govern this imperial fiction called ‘Iraq’.

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