‘We don’t feel like we’re making any progress’

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) made a surprise visit to Iraq yesterday and, wouldn’t you know it, he was encouraged by all the “progress” he just knew would be there waiting for him. “Overall, I would say what I see here today is progress, significant progress from the last time I was here in December,” he said.

Asked about the enormous casualties throughout the month of May, Lieberman said fatalities are part of the progress. “Part of that, as I’ve been told today, is because our military is out here not just in camps but we’re out in in the city and other cities but particularly in the capital city, and we’re having a positive effect,” he explained.

As we know, Lieberman won’t listen to his colleagues who know better, won’t listen to his constituents who know better, and won’t listen to policy experts who know better. But will he listen to the troops themselves?

Spc. David Williams, 22, of Boston, Mass., had two note cards in his pocket Wednesday afternoon as he waited for Sen. Joseph Lieberman. Williams serves in the 82nd Airborne Division from Fort Bragg, N.C., the first of the five “surge” brigades to arrive in Iraq, and he was chosen to join the Independent from Connecticut for lunch at a U.S. field base in Baghdad.

The night before, 30 other soldiers crowded around him with questions for the senator.

He wrote them all down. At the top of his note card was the question he got from nearly every one of his fellow soldiers:

“When are we going to get out of here?”

The rest was a laundry list. When would they have upgraded Humvees that could withstand the armor-penetrating weapons that U.S. officials claim are from Iran? When could they have body armor that was better in hot weather?

Lieberman told reporters how much he understood the troops’ perspective. “They’re not Pollyannaish about this,” he said referring to the young soldiers he ate lunch with. “They know it’s not going to be solved in a day or a month.”

But by all indications, Lieberman was projecting his own beliefs onto the troops who clearly felt differently.

Spc. Will Hedin, 21, of Chester, Conn., thought about what he was going to say.

“We’re not making any progress,” Hedin said, as he recalled a comrade who was shot by a sniper last week. “It just seems like we drive around and wait to get shot at.”

But as he waited two chairs down from where Lieberman would sit, Hedin said he’d never voice his true feelings to the senator.

“I think I’d be a private if I did,” he joked. “It’s just more troops, more targets.”

In other words, Lieberman assumes he knows what the troops are thinking — they agree with everything he thinks — but that’s largely because of an environment in which soldiers believe they’ll be punished for telling policy makers the truth.

Spc. Kevin Krasco, 20, of Medford, Mass., and Spc. Kevin Adams, 20, of Moosup, Conn., chimed in with their dismay…. “It’s like everything else in this war,” Adams said, referring to Baghdad. “It hasn’t changed.” […]

It isn’t clear whether Williams mentioned the last line on his note card, the one that had a star next to it.

“We don’t feel like we’re making any progress,” it said.

Lieberman apparently left his meeting with the troops thinking, evidence to the contrary, that he’s still right about the war. Of course, given what we know of the senator, even if the troops had been free to share their actual opinions, Lieberman would probably feel the same way.

A special thanks to all the Conn. voters who gave us this clown.

  • ““They’re not Pollyannaish about this,” he said referring to the young soldiers he ate lunch with. “They know it’s not going to be solved in a day or a month.””

    No they aren’t, but you are Deluded Joe.

  • Why is Joe so adamant about staying in Iraq? What compells him to be such a stalwart war supporter? Why, Israel of course! He knows deep inside that Iraq was not only a blunder of astronomical proportions in terms of weakening our stature as a country, but also a blunder because we have now solidified and stregthened the power of Iran in the region. And of course we all know Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map.

    I tell you, I wish Joe would move to israel where his REAL constituents live.

  • Kudos to McClatchey and the reporter for getting these people to open up – it’s clear they need a voice, and do not feel that expressing their views to politicians is making a difference.

    Did anyone really think Lieberman would go to Iraq and say anything other than that we’re making progress and how important it is that we stay?

    I think every Senator or Representative who goes to Iraq and says that it’s important that we stay, should be outfitted immediately with a uniform and equipment and required to stay for the duration of the deployment of whatever unit he – or she – is visiting.

  • Joe’s surprise visit showed him to be the brainless wanderer he is. He has no moral compass, let alone any good direction, in regard to Middle East issues. He is currently fixing the images to his pre-ordained view. You go Joe! -Kevo

  • So now we’ve got Baghdad Joe to go along with Baghdad John. We’ve got a three-ring circus in Iraq and the ReThug masters-of-ceremony are going to make it the greatest show on Earth. I just want to know one thing — did Baghdad Joe pick up any of those rugs that I heard were such a great deal in Iraq?

    P.S. How much did Baghdad Joe’s little political stunt cost U.S. Taxpayers? And how many troops’ lives were unnecessarily risked? Was it 100+ this time as well? What a sad and disgraceful farce! With “leaders” like Joe Lieberman, I am ashamed and embarrassed to be an American.

  • Forty years ago I wore the green suit and sat through this same shit exactly. The politicians had different names but the play was the same. Six years later we left. The only thing that changed between ’67 and ’73 was the body count.

    There’s a special place in Hell for Joe Lieberman and I hope I’m there with my friends to make it just right for him.

  • Anne wrote: think every Senator or Representative who goes to Iraq and says that it’s important that we stay, should be outfitted immediately with a uniform and equipment and required to stay for the duration of the deployment of whatever unit he – or she – is visiting.

    Bravo! I agree!

  • Deja Vu-

    Tuesday, Nov. 29, 2005
    WASHINGTON — Sen. Joe Lieberman, fresh from a two-day visit to Iraq over the Thanksgiving holiday, said Monday he was hopeful U.S. forces could begin a “significant” withdrawal by the end of next year or in 2007.

  • Deja Vu from 2005 (part 2)
    Joe continues-

    The country is now in reach of going from Saddam Hussein to self-government and, I’d add, self-protection,” the Connecticut Democrat said in a conference call with reporters. “That would be a remarkable transformation … I saw real progress there.”

  • JKap, whatever rugs visiting pols are picking up in Iraq are clearly very, very optimistic rugs.

    (pretty soon we’re going to need an FAQ for all of the aging inside references around here. . .)

    I started reading Christopher Buckley’s Boomsday last night, and this whole politicians taking trips to overseas troops thing sounds strangely familiar.

  • Ok – I see how this is going to work…there is no one with brain cells who really thinks “the surge” is working, or that there is any magic number of troops that will ever restore stability and security to Iraq, but…because they have been saying since Day One that we aren’t leaving until things are under control, the only way out is to just say things are progressing. Call it the “Lieberman Plan.”

    By September, when the streets of Bagdad are running red with rivers of American and Iraqi blood, the assessment will be that – Woo-hoo! High-Five! – IT’S GOING GREAT! A couple more months…say, into the primary season when Republicans believe they will benefit from the announcement that we are beginning to draw down – we will begin to see just that.

    You know what the hard part is going to be? The hard part will be when the GOP is casting this as victory – which in terms of what will be left behind, it definitely will not be. We are not going to be able to criticize the aftermath after arguing long and loud about getting out. What we are going to have to do is distance ourselves from the mess, starting now, and pound the message that the sovereign government of Iraq needs to get off its collective ass and get it fixed. And we are going to have to address how Iraq can be rebuilt without an American presence – because I do think that having destroyed so much of the infrastructure, we have to restore it, somehow. Of course, we are the same people who can’t get the Gulf Coast region rebuilt, so, I don’t have much optimism that we have any credibility on that score, either.

  • you would think even a shameless prick like lieberman would, by now, be embarassed by how much “progress” he’s witnesses, but i guess that’s why “shameless” is the appropriate word.

  • “Lieberman said fatalities are part of the progress.”

    If this is true, then Joe buying the farm over there due to a sniper , IED or EFP would mean that the cause of this occupation has been furthered. C’mon Joe, how about making a sacrifice for the team. We’re trying to win this thing, remember?

    What pisses me off is that everyone one of these chucklheads that goes over there and proclaims things are so rosy are always pictured wearing body armor and helmets. Lieberman, McCain and the others obviously aren’t brave enough to demonstrate how safe Iraq really is.

  • Yes, Connecticut voters deserve the bulk of the blame, but Lamont ran a lousy campaign after he won the primary and since the Republicans didn’t bother to field a “real” candidate, there was no other moderate to conservative alternative to steal votes away from Censorin’ Joe. Never forget: Al Gore thought this man should be vice president.

  • by now, iraq should be the most progressed place on earth!

    i’ll beleive in the the progress joe, and st. mccain and the rest see when — and only when — they start making announced visits to the place.

  • Of all the Senators why does Joe feel it necessary to visit Iraq? Do his constituents demand it? Is there some measure before the senate right now that compels him to go there? What could possibly be his motivation? The headline should read, “Jerusalem Joe Brings Progress to Baghdad”, has to bring it with him because it sure isn’t there already. Joe didn’t really have to even get off the plane. He was going to say “progress” no matter what, the rest was just a photo op because he assumes the public is too stupid to see right through him and see him for the “phony” he is. You go Jerusalem Joe……….and I do mean GOOOOOOOOO.

  • I just want to know one thing — did Baghdad Joe pick up any of those rugs that I heard were such a great deal in Iraq? — JKap, @6

    No, the cheap so-and-so picked up a pair of sunglasses. Your decision whether they had rose-coloured lenses or solid pieces (like blinders).

  • Or perhaps…. he’s wearing virtual reality goggles playing the neo-con fantasy simulation called Iraqi Freedom in an endless loop.

  • There’s a special place in Hell for Joe Lieberman and I hope I’m there with my friends to make it just right for him.

    I love this proof that heaven and hell are in the eye of the beholder! Indeed, Heaven for me would be creating a Living Hell for Holy Joe (and all the rest of the fundamentalist scum who’ve gotten us into this situation).

  • The soldiers want out? They say they don’t feel like they’re making any progress? How unamerican!
    They’re just emboldening the enemy… traitors!

    Thanks and praise to our one true Protestant God(Trademark) for Joe Lieberman and the Republicans in Congress; they know better than those darn troops on the front line in Iraq, those who are actually doing the work!

    Don’t worry, everything is just great over there in Cloud Cuckoo Land. Joe sez so! Since American Idol is over, let’s all go look at happy puppy and fluffy kitten pictures and keep our minds beautiful!

    /sarcasm

  • Senator Joseph Lieberman’s voting record on military issues can be found at: Senator Joseph Lieberman’s Voting Record

    Senator Joseph Lieberman’s history of speeches on the Iraq war can be found at: Senator Joseph Lieberman’s Record of Speeches

    Senator Joseph Lieberman’s ratings from special interest groups on military issues can be found at: Senator Joseph Lieberman’s Interest Group Ratings

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  • Lieberman said fatalities are part of the progress……

    i think he should use that line on the parents of a soldier who has just fallen. he get a big, fat, angry fist in his sagging face. what an f-ing prick!! oh that makes me so angry. he calls us traitors for criticizing bush but hes ok that soldiers putting their asses on the line every day STILL dont have the up armored vehicles they require. FIVE YEARS AFTER THE WAR STARTED AND BUSH STILL CANT GET THEM THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED?!!! we would all be speaking german or japanese if bush had be president during ww2. japan attacked us and he would have still invaded iraq.

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