‘We need to have a person of faith lead the country’

The incident started off in one, fairly benign, direction. Former Massachusetts Gov. and presidential hopeful Mitt Romney (R) was campaigning at the Lake Miona Regional Recreation Center in The Villages, Florida, generally considered a GOP stronghold. An anti-Mormon loud mouth blasted Romney for his faith.

“You, sir, are a pretender,” the guy said. “You don’t know the Lord. You are a Mormon.”

The rest of the audience booed the identified Republican voter, but Romney, at first laughed it off. After chuckling a bit, Romney said, “Let me, uh, let me offer just a thought. And that is, uh, one of the great things about this great land, is we have people of different faiths and different persuasions.”

So far, so good. America is diverse, we have more faith traditions than any country on earth, so a nod to diversity makes sense. But Romney couldn’t stop there, adding, “And uh, I’m convinced that the nation, that the nation does need, the nation does need to have people of different faiths but we need to have a person of faith lead the country.” The GOP audience responded by giving Romney a standing ovation.

Now, there are a couple of ways to look at this. My initial reaction was a constitutional one, encouraging Romney to read Article II and Article VI — the prior explains the eligibility requirements for the presidency; the latter notes there can be no religious test for public office.

But that’s not quite right. Romney wasn’t talking about the law; he was talking about politics. This was his opinion — that a president should be religious. On this point, Atrios wrote a series of insightful posts over the weekend, but I think his best piece was this one.

In the current state of our discourse, “people of faith” are good and the right kind of people to be president and it’s perfectly acceptable to point that out. If I wrote: “I don’t think a person of faith should be president,” I’d be accused of being an anti-religious bigot, of religious intolerance, etc.

But it’s perfectly acceptable for Mitt Romney to say: “We need to have a person of faith lead the country.”

Quite right.

Faith is a presumed good; lack of faith is a presumed character flaw. To say a religious person shouldn’t be president is to denigrate millions of believers; but to say a religious person must be president seems to have no bearing on how (or whether) it denigrates millions of nonbelievers. One is intolerance, the other is just common sense.

I believe this is different from, say, outreach to religious voters. If a political party, office holder, or candidate finds that he or she lacks support from a specific constituency — say, Roman Catholics who attend church weekly — I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the party/official/candidate targeting those voters and trying to establish some support.

But that’s not the issue with Romney and the anti-Mormon loudmouth. The conventional wisdom would never consider it this way, but in effect, the GOP voter said, “I’m going to base my vote on religious belief.” To which Romney effectively replied, “We all should base our votes on religious belief.”

Now, I realize that Romney intended a different message. The loudmouth wanted to talk about a specific religion; the candidate wanted to talk about religion generally. But as a matter of principle, what the two were saying wasn’t terribly different. They both want religious beliefs at the fore.

The difference is, as a practical matter, theological. The loudmouth targeted Mormons, which is a form of bigotry. The candidate indirectly targeted nonbelievers, which is a different form of bigotry.

Romney, in this sense, wants to have it both ways. Being a person of faith, he says, is a vital quality in a president. In the next breath, he suggests there’s no reason to judge him on his specific faith.

It’s a complex issue, and I’m afraid I’m not being as clear as I’d like. Let me put it another way: I don’t care about Romney’s personal beliefs. His faith is his business, as is everyone else’s. My concern is that Romney apparently doesn’t feel the same way.

As Atrios put it in a different post:

Romney says only a “person of faith” can be president. Plenty of people are going to say they don’t want a Mormon to be president. Is this bigotry, an objection to belief (or lack), or both?

Want to make personal religious beliefs a central issue in politics? Fine, bring it on. You guys can fight it out.

“We need to have a person of faith lead the country.”

“We need to have a Christian to lead the country.”

“We need to have a member of the Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915 to lead this country.”

Where’s the line?

I don’t think Romney knows, and I get the sense he’d rather not talk about it.

The protestor was right when he said, “You are a pretender. You don’t know the Lord.” It’s true for all religions. Because religion is a fantasy of super invisibile beings. Who is to there to know? They belief the Lord.

  • “Where’s the line?”

    There is a line, at least, between theism and atheism. (Except for all those mushy agnostics. Pick a side!)

    The silly thing about Romney’s remark is how vapid it is. Atrios also posted results of a Gallup poll showing that just about any oddball could win a majority of votes for president — black, woman, thrice married. The John McCain category “over 72 years old” was just about tied with homosexual. Progress, I guess.

    Atheist, however, was the only category in the survey to get less than 50%.

    So, as far as the majority of voters are concerned, Mitt Romney just said, “We need a person who metabolizes oxygen to lead this country.”

    (I’m also recalling a Tom Tomorrow cartoon from, like, 8 years ago, showing candidates professing their faith in Odin or Unarius. Then Sparky wakes up from his dream, laughing at the absurdity of a non-Christian candidate!)

  • Ah, but you see, CB–we’re a Christian nation. So only Christians are fit to serve in leadership. The mere fact we’ve got a Muslim and two Buddhists in Congress is a sign our moral fabric is coming apart.

  • Good point Darrell #3. Our Christian moral fabric is like the clothes they put on models. All shiny and fancy from the front, but when they turn around you see it is all just tacked together for show.

  • I don’t think a person of faith should lead this country. A person of faith has already demonstrated several negative traits, including: a) a sense of moral superiority, while also finding their particular beliefs are right and the basis for everyone else’s life. b) obviously susceptible to suggestion rather than intellectual inspection c) a willingness to suspend reality and accept the absurd concept of an anthropomorphic “god”. Extreme cases may believe god talks to them, for chrissake. d)using religion as a political tool- how cynical can you get.
    Just a few, got some to add?

  • “We need to have a person of faith lead the country.”

    Perhaps our conservative leaders should build on this common
    ground they share with their Iranian brethren.

  • Faith is such an overused and abused concept in Washington. It’s become a marketing strategy of selecting an image of piety for the candidate to wear to snare the treasure of a block of fanatic unthinking voters ( “believers”).

    The sad truth is that the real saints are not inclined to play the game of unholy compromise we call national presidential politics.

  • One of the wonderful aspects of secular liberalism (you know, the notion our nation is founded upon) is that it allows all people of faith to practice their faiths while working to peacefully coexist. We have survived two Great Awadenings over the course of our secular liberal history, but will we survive this third? -Kevo

  • I completely agree we need a person of faith as President. someone who has faith in the rights established in the Constitution. Someone who has faith in the democratic process. someone who has faith in the free press. someone who has faith in the ability of the electorate to handle the truth. someone who has faith in international institutions and in our allies and potential allies. someone who has faith that we can lift all boats, not just the yachts of the rich. someone who has faith in the teaching of our skilled scientific community. someone who has faith in our ability to break our dependence on fossil fuels. but most of all someone who has faith in the rule of law and who will therefore faithfully follow it, even as President of the United States.

  • “Faith” does not imply a particular religious belief, nor does it rule out the complete lack of one. But it does require that something be more important than oneself, which would be problematic for the tax-cut crowd.

  • “believers’ will always gang up on rational secularists because somewhere in their hearts they know that faith is nothing more than superstition and they are scared of their own insignificance, dark impulses, and death. They have been trained to think that they cant be decent without religion.

    Atheism is just another form of superstition. Given the multitude and variety of ‘Gods’ to choose from(make one up if you care to, inside I think many people do), there is no more proof that God doesnt exist than there is that he doesnt. Agnosticism, when it doesnt buckle to pressure or say the impossible is plausible, is the honest perspective.

  • Romney’s statement demonstrates just how easily political discourse can be manipulated by spouting some pablum like “person of faith” to an audience prone to such suggestion. Romney gets a standing O for an essentially meaningless expression that implies whatever meaning the listener wants it to. My take on this scene is that Romney trotted out a well focus-grouped expression to solve an awkward situation. It was taken as red meat by the base but as other posters have pointed out faith does not in all cases mean a faith in a deity and Romney was very careful not to get too specific.

  • Couldn’t agree more, Petorado … as a pentecostal/charismatic Christian Dem, this rankles me to no end. However, I’ve met enough born-again Christian Dems on here that I’m convinced the Repubs’ efforts to scare Christians aren’t working anymore. They whine about abortion and gay rights all the time to get our votes, only to give it to us in the neck when it really counts.

  • I can pretty much guarantee you that when a Republican politician talks about a “person of faith” he is talking about faith in a deity that is “verified” by a particular religion.

    Athesim is usually used just as a reaction to the dominance of the idea of theism. It just really means there isn’t a personified God like the religions define. An agnostic is one who when some person says there’s an invisible 6 foot bunny following me, says I can’t see if but I guess I can’t prove there’s not a 6 foot bunny following you so it might be true.

    Idea for a title for the Harlequin Romance Nascar series:
    What Do You Tell a Woman With Two Black Eyes?

  • Someone could object that Atrios’ formulation — “I don’t think a person of faith should be president” — differs from Romney’s statement because it’s prejudicial, not positive. But suppose we say, “We need a person of reason to run this country.” That would set off ah-oo-gahs from the right-o-sphere just as loudly, though it might take them a little longer to take it as an insult, just because of how it’s phrased. (Frankly, just as I didn’t take Romney’s statement as an insult until Atrios framed it in negative terms.)

  • It may not be wise but It’s surely OK for any voter to decide to vote only for people of faith or any particular faith. But it wrong for a party or a candidate to declare this as doctrine. Also, see last item below:

    RANDOM THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS

    Why is it that we see and hear from “senior” correspondents such as Senior White House or Pentagon Correspondent? I hope that at some point the news shows will give us the views of some of their better ” junior” correspondents.

    Tony Snow : “” I’m not so sure anything went wrong” in Iraq (later narrowed on Meet the Press). When Tony Snow is not sure about anything, I worry. I rely on him for certainty.

    News Item – “GM in Talks to Buy Chrysler.” Why, is Tucker Motorcars not available?

    In last Wednesday’s press conference, Bush claimed that he can’t judge whether Iraq is a civil war while “living in this beautiful White House.” His lovely surroundings haven’t kept him from starting a disastrous war and now sending more troops to Iraq. We’ll be quite glad when he is relieved of the burden of this beautiful house.

    Is it true that many are saying that they would vote for Barack Obama if only he were black?

    Mitt Romney: – “We need to have a person of faith to lead the country.” So a Druid or Islamist might well qualify, but no atheist could?

    from Homer at http://www.altara.blogspot.com

  • Since when has a person of faith meant a political whore who sheds his previously held convictions like a stripper on a tight schedule?

    Mittens can stick his faith up his arse; anyone who has “faith” in this McCain 2.0 can crawl up there too.

  • Nicolo Machiavelli, in The Prince, had some thoughts “Concerning The Way In Which Princes Should Keep Faith” (the title of Chapter XVIII).

    We may need a man of apparent faith, so that the powerless boobs will do as they’re told, believing that it’s God’s will. But any leader who actually organized his life around religious principles would be a real disaster, for himself and for those he governed.

    I think Machiavelli knew what he was talking about. Florence wasn’t beanbag.

  • Want a person of faith to lead the country? How about this guy.

    Pastor with 666 tattoo claims to be divine

    MIAMI, Florida (CNN) — The minister has the number 666 tattooed on his arm.

    But Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda is not your typical minister. De Jesus, or “Daddy” as his thousands of followers call him, does not merely pray to God: He says he is God.

    Talk about your nut jobs.

  • I wish we’d stop echoing the Republicans’ wording–i.e., saying “faith” instead of “religion.” This is a matter of framing. Saying you don’t have “faith” can mean you’re a secular, but it also can mean you “don’t believe in anything”–i.e., are without moral, political etc. conviction.

    We should use “religion,” not “faith,” for this reason, because the Republicans are using it quite consciously, to imply that seculars “lack conviction.” Don’t help them.

  • Comments are closed.