Wednesday’s campaign round-up

January 9, 2008

Today’s installment of campaign-related news items that wouldn’t generate a post of their own, but may be of interest to political observers:

* It’s unclear whether Hillary Clinton will go all out to win Nevada in 10 days, but in the interim, Barack Obama is picking up key support in the state: “[Nevada’s] 17,500-member SEIU local has voted to endorse him, and he’s also expected to pick up the support of the 60,000-member Culinary Workers Union today. Those union votes are definitely a blow to John Edwards, who has built his campaign on the strength of organized labor, but seen Obama overtake him as the anti-Hillary candidate. So keep an eye on Nevada. For Obama, it will be his next chance to get an edge on Hillary. And for Hillary, it will be her chance to beat Obama and fully regain control of this whole process.”

* Mike Huckabee’s top immigration surrogate, James Gilchrist, caused a bit of a stir yesterday, indicating that Huckabee now supports a constitutional amendment to end birthright citizenship. Yesterday, the former governor rejected the claims and blamed the far-right Washington Times for running the story about Gilchrist’s comments. The Times reported today, “But Mr. Huckabee’s spokeswoman, Kirsten Fedewa, did talk to The Times for the article. She did not challenge any of Mr. Gilchrist’s statements at the time, and was quoted as saying Mr. Huckabee and Mr. Gilchrist were ‘united by a mutual desire to end illegal immigration and are political allies toward that end.'”

* Before the polls in New Hampshire were even closed, the Clinton campaign made a key staffing change: “Maggie Williams, a longtime Hillary Clinton confidante, is reportedly being brought on to coordinate the campaign’s activities. Insiders have urged campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle to stay on, but no decisions have been made, according to campaign insiders. Williams served as Hillary Clinton’s chief of staff during Bill Clinton’s first term and has remained close to the former first lady ever since.”

* Yesterday, the Huffington Post reported that a number of Clinton-backing groups — including AFSCME, Emily’s List, and the American Federation of Teachers — were considering the creation of an anti-Obama 527 committee. Shortly thereafter, the groups involved denied any such effort.

* Despite two very weak showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, and a looming primary fight in his own congressional district, Dennis Kucinich insisted yesterday that he’s not ready to drop out of the presidential race. The AP reported, “He said he will continue his campaign in Michigan and Ohio and elsewhere, and asked his cheering supporters to help him.”

* Ever get confused about the talk about convention delegates? CNN has a helpful primer.

* George “Macaca” Allen has been rumored to be in line for another statewide campaign, but the former governor and former senator announced yesterday that, at a minimum, he would not be a gubernatorial candidate in 2009.

* And in case you missed the speeches last night in New Hampshire, here’s Clinton’s, Obama’s, and Edwards’.

Wow! I just read the Washington Times article linked above about Huckabee’s position on ending birthright citizenship. It’s very interesting!

There were some fairly ugly comments to CB’s post on this story here yesterday. Now that Huck has renounced any desire to repeal the 14th Amendment, who will those commenters and those like them be supporting?

From the WT article: “Rep. Ron Paul, the libertarian-leaning Republican candidate, has introduced a constitutional amendment to end birthright citizenship.”

  • Question about delegates, has it come down to superdelegates deciding the democrat’s nominee and is that something that could potentially happen this year, or is that very unlikely?

  • Huh, I wondered why cHuckabee would steal one of Paul’s ideas. Now I can’t beleive, the Washingtoon Slimes is messing with the cHuckabee. I’d think he’d be their chosen one.

    Oh wait, he hasn’t accepted Rev. Sun Yung Moon as his personal saviour.

    Never mind.

  • Listening to Clinton’s and Obama’s speeches, it’s no contest as to who the pedestrian platitudinist is and who the “bridge to the future” is this time. It’s like listening to Hubert Humphrey (a fine guy who was a stand-up campaigner for civil rights going back to when it was really hard) and Robert Kennedy. One’s day had come and gone; the other’s day was yet to come.

  • Huck’s “Minuteman Moment” deserves legs; he was in favor of “revisiting the issue” of birthright citizenship in August of last year—and he didn’t cry “FOUL!” when the WT folks reported it then.

  • I wish people wouldn’t compare Obama to Robert Kennedy. It just sends chills down my spine.

  • Okie, thanks for catching that.
    Ron Paul’s ammendment will really conflict a lot of Republicans. Will they vote for the racist or the Christian Taliban?
    I feel their pain:
    “Ouch, my brain muscles! George Bush, tell us what to do!”

  • I’m not easily persuaded by political speeches, but Obama’s last night, while starting slowly, really pulled me in about halfway through and got me excited. Sure speeches are speeches and not action or change (as HRC has reminded us), but speeches can inspire and there’s nothing wrong with that. I liked that Obama dismissed the “false hope” phrase used by HRC. Why can’t we hope for better things rather than accept the status quo as too difficult to change?

  • Re: Hillary’s “amazing comeback” in the New Hampshire primary election; was it her tears? I don’t think so. Was it “hordes of women voters?“ I don’t think so. Was it the “Bradley effect?” I don’t think so. It was plain old electronic election theft and fraud.

    Senator Obama was robbed of his election victory in New Hampshire by electronic election rigging in favor of Hillary. The most corporate candidates almost always seem to “win” when private corporations “count” the votes. I would suggest that Obama was robbed of victory in the New Hampshire Democratic Primary Election on 8 January 2008 by the criminal electronic flipping of several thousand votes from Obama to Hillary. The so-called “amazing comeback” of Hillary was based on computerized electronic election fraud.

    This is just like the Bush/GOP electronic theft of Presidential Election in November 2004 when about seven million Kerry votes were electronically flipped into Bush votes on Election night.

    Hillary “won” with the help of Republican corporations “counting” the votes. Certainly the pre-election polls did not indicate that her victory was even remotely possible… Could the right-wing neocon corporatists still be rigging elections in 2008? Hillary is corporate America’s best good chance to continue Bush wars and unchallenged corporate greed…
    I have zero faith in any election that does not employ the hand-counting of paper ballots. Anything with a “electronic” computerized voting system can be very easily and undetectably rigged…
    Most of the “unexpected” and “amazing” Republican election “victories” in the 21st century were the direct result of GOP operatives hacking, rigging and stealing elections electronically…

    Below are Brisa’s comments to http://www.theleftcoaster.com on 8 January 2008 re: electronic vote “counting” by Diebold in New Hampshire:

    “Repost from earlier thread…sorry, but I feel very strongly about this issue…largely ignored by both parties.

    Hate to be the skunk at the garden party but…quoting Nancy Tobi of the Democracy for New Hampshire website, “81% of New Hampshire ballots are counted in secret by a private corporation named Diebold Election Systems (now known as “Premier”). The elections run on these machines are programmed by one company, LHS Associates, based in Methuen, MA. We know nothing about the people programming these machines, and we know even less about LHS Associates. We know even less about the secret vote counting software used to tabulate 81% of our ballots.”
    These are the same machines that were tested in the HBO documentary “Hacking Democracy” in which a computer programmer was able to alter vote totals by introducing computer code through the memory cards. Using an optical scanning machine from a county in Florida, they demonstrated how these machines first attempt to read instructions from the memory card before accepting any votes. The audit log can then be wiped clean to remove any evidence of tampering.
    Has this obvious security flaw been changed? There is no way of knowing as the source code is proprietary and not reviewable by anyone outside of the manufacturer.
    How can anyone have confidence that the total reported actually represent the votes cast? No random audits are done to verify them. Even when recounts are done, as in the Ohio 2004 presidential election, hanky panky has been practiced as revealed by the recent conviction of two election workers who rigged the recount.
    And if the vote totals were accurate in ’04…why cheat on the recount?
    http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4266.

    Posted by brisa at January 8, 2008 09:00 PM.

    Cheers.

  • So the Huffington Post in essence Swiftboated Clinton by claiming she was going to Swiftboat Obama. Nice. Not surprisingly Huffington is one of those who think Clinton has horns and spews forth frogs.

  • Ann said: “Will Clinton skip SC?”

    She had better not.

    I think she needs to go down to a Black church in SC and say: “I know to some it may seem wrong of me to come and ask for your vote in a year when a Black Man has a serious chance at winning the Democratic Nomination, or a son of South Carolina could be our next President, or a Mexican-American could. But I believe it would be a greater insult to you all here if I didn’t come, explain why I feel I am the best candidate for you and for America, and humbly ask for your vote.”

  • I haven’t watched all the speeches yet. I saw about three seconds of Clinton’s last night and she seemed exhausted. I watched a few mintues of Barack’s, and I guess it was good, but you know what?

    A con man is great and speaking to and appealing to people, but that doesn’t make anything he does more useful, appealing, or valuable because of it. In all our fantasies, the best leader is a great speaker who can “rally the troops”; the best vocalist of a band is super charasmatic, a great artist and an awesomely nice person, in addition to being a great singer and singing good lyrics. But in reality, for example, giving a good speech doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with being the best person to lead, so we should make sure we look at and think about other things when we pick our candidates.

  • james k. sayre test drives the GOP battle whinge.

    You heard it here first folks, if a Dem wins. Any Dem, the vote was rigged. RedState is already wetting its pants over illegal wiretaps if Hilary gets in office.

  • I have one daughter who was born in England and another daughter who was born in Switzerland. Neither country gives them any benefits at all for being born there. Even if they had remained in their birth country for their entire lives, they would never get citizenship.

    Would it be that bad if the US changed the law to follow the rest of the world?

  • Neil Wilson asked: “Would it be that bad if the US changed the law to follow the rest of the world?”

    Yep. It would mean we are no longer a country of immigrants, but a ethnic nationality.

    Which we certainly are not.

  • I would like to point out that very few other countries grant birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens*. And illegal immigration is not just a Republican issue. Dems can only ignore it at their own risk.

    In 1993 Democratic Senator [X] introduced a comprehensive immigration reform bill (S. [XXXX]) that included a provision that would limit citizenship to those whose mothers are United States citizens or legal permanent residents. Senator X’s proposal was to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act.

    He said:

    “The most recent studies show that the net costs of legal and illegal immigration to all levels of Government will be $45 billion over the next decade. And this figure takes into account the taxes paid by these immigrants.”

    “26 percent of Federal prisoners are noncitizens, at a cost of $30,000 per inmate per year”

    “In 1982, 128,000 immigrants received Social Security benefits. In 1992, 10 years later, the number has jumped to over 600,000. Mr. President, that is an increase of almost 400 percent.”

    “In 1993, in Los Angeles County, at Los Angeles County Hospital, one of the largest hospitals in the country, 67 percent of the births were to illegal alien mothers.

    The State of California needs to build a school a day to keep up with the incoming immigrant children…”

    “We admit the equivalent of a major city without any assessment of whether these newcomers are likely to be contributing members of our society. Only a tiny fraction of those admitted each year enter because they have skills and abilities that will benefit our country. The rest come merely because they happen to be relatives of other recent immigrants. The result of this so-called policy is that there is now a backlog of almost 3 1/2 million people the population of a city the size of Los Angeles who have a claim to immigrate to the United States for no other reason than they are somebody’s relative. Is this really a way to run immigration policy?”

    “California, also teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, will spend $1 billion this year to provide health care to illegal aliens.”

    “In 48 of 50 States, illegal aliens can get a driver’s license, the de facto ID document in this country, without having to prove that they are legally in this country in the first place. If you think this is no big deal, think again. Mohammed Salameh, an illegal alien and the alleged driver of the bomb-laden truck that blew up the World Trade Center, happened to live in New Jersey illegally, of course, one of the two States that actually bothers to require proof of legal residence.

    So he crossed the Hudson River and got himself a driver’s license in New York very simple. He was not a legal resident of the United States. He was not a resident of New York legally or New Jersey or any State. But the State of New York handed him that vital document needed to live and work, not to mention rent a truck that he could place explosives on, with no questions asked and no proof required.”

    “I live in a suburb of Washington. It is near the CIA. There, if you drive down Dolley Madison Boulevard, people have placed there a little memorial for the people who were gunned down earlier this year by a man by the name of Mir Amil Kanzi, a Pakistani citizen. He entered the United States illegally, lived here for a year as an illegal alien, obtained a new passport from the government he claimed to fear, and yet he was still able to show up at an INS office in Virginia and file a claim of political asylum. Was this guy given a quick hearing and sent home? No. He got work authorization, a social security card, a driver’s license, and the ability to obtain an AK-47 assault rifle and gun down CIA workers.”

    “Our lax enforcement of immigration and asylum laws has created what can be termed as modern day slave trade”

    “Reforming an immigration system that does not work is a public policy imperative and we in Congress must not shirk from these responsibilities.”

    So who was that racist? It was Harry Reid. Later on, he supposedly “thought better” of his position on the bill, but we all know how both parties are trying to court the Latino vote and how that group feels about any crackdown on illegal immigration. Despite the PC backlash, polls show the problem is very real to many millions of Americans. Reid nailed it in 1993, and here we are 15 years later, with another 10+ million more illegal immigrants and who knows how many anchor babies.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/1993/back793.html

    * http://www.cis.org/articles/1993/back793.html

  • Ohioan –

    Obama won? wtf!

    Superdelegates are “tf”. Clinton and Obama statistically tied as far as the distribution of regular delegates (they each got 9). Clinton got two superdelegates, while Obama picked up three. I don’t know who the superdelegates from NH are or who they support, but that’s where the distribution comes from.

  • RacerX–

    Have you ever considered that maybe the reason the U.S. has much fewer problems with “home grown” terrorists than, say, Britain or France or Spain, is that our immigration policy is so much more open and inclusive? That they’re not ostracized to nearly the extent that they are in those countries (at least, previously speaking…we seem to be heading the wrong direction on that issue)?

    Just a thought, but maybe it’s a good thing that so many foreigners born on U.S. soil or immigrants so readily adopt an identity based, in part, on being “American”

  • Michael @ 22: Kudos. I couldn’t agree more.

    Not only does this policy reduce our troubles with “home-grown terrorists,” it also facilitates real integration into the mainstream of American at a level that, say, France–where efforts to support immigrants wound up marginalizing them in both cultural and economic senses–could not imagine.

    Our current policy has its messy spots in application, but the theory–neither coddle nor marginalize–is one of the greatest success stories any nation has ever known.

  • Indeed dajafi…and I think the riots in France are a testament to that, with the vast majority of rioters being North African immigrants or the children of Portuguese immigrants.

    It’s a shame that this isn’t a point more often discussed in the mainstream political discourse, because it’s an important one.

  • To Neil Wilson – I believe that Ireland voted last year to remove birthright citizenship for the same reason we should. It was being abused by illegal immigrants. In response to Lance — You seem confused. It is the children of illegal immigrants who will be affected. We will still be the same immigrant-assimilating nation we’ve always been – which please take note of historical highs and lows of immigration numbers.

  • RacerX wrote: “Despite the PC backlash, polls show the problem is very real to many millions of Americans.”

    Pollster: “Is illegal immigration a:
    Very Real Problem,
    A Real Problem,
    Not Much of a Problem,
    Not a Problem.”

    Pollee: “A Very Real Problem”

    Question not asked, how is immigration a problem TO YOU.

    Now, my answer is they jaywalk accross four lane streets with 35 mile per hour traffic and scare the death out of me. But how that qualifies as a “Very Real Problem” I can’t say.

    There are studies that show that illegal immigration depresses the wages of native born Americans who haven’t got a high school education. Considering that in America (unlike some places) a high school education is FREE, and clearly returns vast benefits in future wages, the fact that Americans without diplomas (dropouts) aren’t getting paid as much as otherwise they might leaves me totally unmoved.

    As for Reid’s claim that they will cost $45 billion, I’d like to see some facts.

    As for their receiving Social Security benefits. Did they not pay FICA (Social Security ‘taxes’). It’s pretty bitchy to complain about taxes as stealing from us then to say we can use them to steal from undocumented (that is, unprotected) workers.

    They do work we won’t do. We get doctors from South Korea to bone and section our chickens so our American Housewives don’t have to. We get Mexicans to pick our food. We really don’t want to let hysteria and POLLS determine our policies.

  • Barb wrote: “In response to Lance — You seem confused. It is the children of illegal immigrants who will be affected.”

    Care to explain to me how you establish your Citizenship in this country? My longest ago ancestor in the New World goes back to 1642. Do you think he was a ‘legal’ immigrate? I doubt Native Americans do.

  • Well seems to me like Huckabee and his sidekick Gilchrist can not get their lies straight, especially on birthright citizenship, but their lies seem to be coming up on a daily basis, of course Gilchrist was a liar to begin with.
    One thing is for sure we don’t need the same kind of person in the big white house we have had for the last 7 years.
    check out this article on Huckabee and Gilchrist.(alipac dot us)

    http://www.alipac.us/index.php

  • In response to LANCE – you may dismiss lower wages because of a MASSIVE illegal labor force, but don’t make the mistake that only school drop outs are affected. The construction trades have long paid solid wages. Most of these tradesmen have high school and many have college degrees. If you don’t like the freedom and creativity of working in the constructions trades, you probably won’t accept its attraction for many.

  • Barb V. said: “In response to LANCE – you may dismiss lower wages because of a MASSIVE illegal labor force, but don’t make the mistake that only school drop outs are affected. The construction trades have long paid solid wages. Most of these tradesmen have high school and many have college degrees. If you don’t like the freedom and creativity of working in the constructions trades, you probably won’t accept its attraction for many.”

    From 1986 to 2000 the illegal workforce grew by 6 million people. From 2001 to 2007 it grew by another 6 million people. What was the difference between the two time periods (14 years versus 6). Workplace enforcements. That is, where the Federal Government came in and arrested the BOSSES for knowingly hiring illegals. There is a MASSIVE illegal labor force in this country because Boy George II stopped the INS from executing the law that Ronald Reagan signed.

    I’ll take my studies that dropouts have been hurt by wage depression over your “Truthiness” ( © Stephan Colbert) that illegals hurt the wages in every industry they penetrate. They’re getting more than minimum wage in construction you know, as are the native-born Americans who work it. And the people I know who work construction (I do know a couple, oddly enough) haven’t complained about illegal immigration to me.

    You have to stop accepting the Conservative Frame that illegals depress wages or that there is massive voter fraud going on in this country.

    Massive voter suppression now…

  • …it also facilitates real integration into the mainstream of American at a level… -dajafi

    Go sit for a day in a courtroom in a major city. I firmly believe that integration is not a goal for the majority of people who enter the country illegally.

    After seeing untold numbers of the undocumented who didn’t speak any English and were driving on expired out-of-country licenses, I came to the conclusion that it’s all about the money.

    Corporate America has fostered an environment where the conditions in Mexico and several other countries is so hostile to the workforce that they come here hoping to scrape by on a wage that, although meager to us and unacceptable, is a fortune compared to what work they could find at home.

    They aren’t here looking for an identity as an American, they just need to feed their families. I won’t begrudge them of that, but we certainly shouldn’t allow the conditions which keep their countries so poor to persist.

    And as for the idea that tolerance of illegal immigration somehow reduces “homegrown terrorism,” I say hogwash. We just don’t call it terrorism. Maybe gang violence, maybe just label it as crazy, but we don’t use the T word.

    Michael mentioned the riots in France, but what about the large immigration rallys in Chicago last summer? If you consider groupthink, a rally is only one incident away from a riot. Who says we’re not on the verge of something similar?

  • Gilchrist and Huck, a union not exactly made in heaven. Huckabee wanted to appear to be tough on illegal immigration because he knows how important this is to the average American (note: appear, not actually be). Gilchrist wanted to appear to still be a leader when he has actually been a discredited loose cannon for a long time now.

  • I am sick of the flip flopping and lies that Huckabee and Gilchrist are doing. Huckabee is definitely pro illegal immigration and it can seen by his track record as govenor of Ar. It seems that he and Gilchrist are having a tough time keeping track of one anothers lies. http://www.alipac.us is a great source of information on illegal immigration as well as the Huckabee/ Gilchrist fiasco!

  • doubtful wrote: “They aren’t here looking for an identity as an American, they just need to feed their families. I won’t begrudge them of that, but we certainly shouldn’t allow the conditions which keep their countries so poor to persist.”

    Then you have to totally change the economic and financial institutions in this country, because they are controlled by Friedmanism, which has forced millions of Latin Americans into poverty over the last thirty years.

    And guess where they go to get jobs.

  • National Deception: Mike Huckabee and Jim Gilchrist Lie To America

    January 9, 2007

    CONTACT: William Gheen, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), press@alipac.us (866) 329-3999

    Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and Minuteman Co-Founder Jim Gilchrist have been documented lying to America by the Washington Times today after false headlines ran on Tuesday proclaiming Mike Huckabee would try to remove birthright citizenship from the Constitution.

    The article confirms that Huckabee lied on CNN about his campaign being contacted about Gilchrist’s false statements and Gilchrist lied in a release about Huckabee’s immigration stances.

    Gilchrist put out a press release on Iowa’s election eve, under the fake name of “Perry Emerson” that contained several false statements and embellishments of Huckabee’s immigration stances. The release claimed Huckabee would try to reverse birthright citizenship laws, which are widely exploited by illegal aliens.

    “We are doing our best to get the truth about these lies, and the hidden amnesty component of the Huckabee immigration plan to the public,” says William Gheen of ALIPAC. “So far, the majority of the national media is not reporting these facts and voters wonder why they are hearing the news from us instead of CNN and Fox. This is a grand national deception in motion and it is absolutely blasphemous that voters are being deceived on a massive scale.”

    ALIPAC launched a campaign to warn voters about Huckabee’s statements on Fox News on Dec. 9 2007, where Huckabee stated illegal aliens could leave the US and return within days permanently and legally. This information was only reported once on Fox and is not included in Huckabee’s distributed immigration plan. The national media is not telling voters that over 84 immigration enforcement organizations, including multiple Minuteman groups, have rebuked Gilchrist’s endorsement of Huckabee.

    “When lies of this scale go unchecked by the media, it is no wonder that our nation is in such great peril today,” said William Gheen. “The Huckabee and Gilchrist immigration deception is a national disaster in motion that will have far reaching negative ramifications for America. Mike Huckabee and Jim Gilchrist are successfully deceiving American voters and they must be stopped.”

    Copies of Gilchrist’s fake name press release, the Washington Times Articles, copies of the video of Huckabee’s “illegals back in days” comments, and the letter signed by the vast majority of groups fighting illegal immigration are available at http://www.alipac.us

    All members of the media are asked to tell voters the truth before it is to late.

    ###

    Paid for by Americans for Legal Immigration AMERICANS FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION PAC
    Post Office Box 30966, Raleigh, NC 27622-0966
    Tel: (919) 787-6009 Toll Free: (866) 329-3999

    http://www.alipac.us/index.html

  • Huckabee is an AMNESTY MAN!! Claims to be a christian…and deceives the voters!! I am sick of dirty politicans that will do or say anything to get elected. We’ve had enough of TRAITORS!!! It’s time to find a candidate with integrity and honesty that will ACTUALLY WORK FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! Huckabee is not that person!!!!
    America! Are we sick and tired of lying politicians YET???

  • tAiO @16

    RedState is already wetting its pants over illegal wiretaps if Hilary gets in office.

    You should remind them that there are no wiretaps that are illegal anymore. They can send their thank you’s to Bushie.

  • James K I agree it was tampering. I am an older woman and I sure wouldn’t vote for Hillary and every woman I talk to hates her. She was here in Las Vegas twice visiting Hispanic neighborhoods, telling the culinary union she would walk the picket line with them if they had to vote. A spokesman from Station Casinos said that if we deported illegals he would have to fill 50,000 jobs. I suppose he said it to show what a hardship it would cost him but to me it said 50,000 jobs Americans used to have. I saw a picture of this culinary union. Not a white face or black face among them. Does that leave any doubt that illegals are voting? But all Hillary’s sucking up to the illegals didn’t help them because I heard today that they endorsed Obama. So they are still going to get amnesty.
    Huckabee is just as bad. They tell us that it is impossible to round up 12 million illegals and deport them. But Gomer Huckabee can send them home and bring them back in just a few days. Whats the point

  • Hillary can’t go to Obamas church. It has only black members and one of their committments is to Africa. It doesn’t mention America. Look it up. He’s a racist. Doesn anyone know if his Mother is alive? I have only heard about his Father and stepfather.
    Anyone who votes for a candidate that is for amnesty is voting to live in a third world country. That is what America will become. We have already had Islamac Drs working at a hospital in Great Britian, that got caught in bombings. We have Drs from other countries because the Medical Ins Cos and Medicare won’t pay Drs a decent wage. They hire them from other countries for lower wages.

  • McCain
    What is this amnesty plan of McCains? It isn’t amnesty but all the lilegals get to stay here. They just have to pay $5,000. Who has to pay $5,000? Every male or female over 18? Or each head of the household, which will mean all of a sudden they will all be related. And when there are 17 men living in a two bed apt who is the head of the household.
    And what is he going to do? Drive up in a truck and ask an illegals “you got your $5,000? No Senor I have no money.” So McCain says “okay get in the truck, You are out of here.” Instead of a fine make them buy car Ins.
    How does he expect them to have $5,000? He wants to do this in a humane way “for the children”. Oh yes lay that familiar phase on us for a guilt trip. He isn’t so worried about them that it bothered him that they were exploited for years for low wages.
    He either hasn’t thought this plan thru or is hoping we won’t.
    Anyway you look at it we are still going to be paying welfare, free med, etc for 12 million illegals.They are still going to be bankrupting our schools, our hospitals and SS.
    And at the rate they have babies and are coming across our pourous borders, I figure in a year it should be about 24 million.By the time he gets enough done to the border that will effectively stop anyone, they will all be here because they know they get amnesty.
    So why is hell is McCain, the RINO in the lead?

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