‘We’ll ask, you’d better not tell’

The “[tag]don’t ask, don’t tell[/tag]” policy has been a frustrating mess for years now, but we’re reaching a point in which it’s actually dangerous.

A decorated sergeant and Arabic language specialist was dismissed from the U.S. Army under the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, though he says he never told his superiors he was gay and his accuser was never identified.

[tag]Bleu Copas[/tag], 30, told The Associated Press he is gay, but said he was “outed” by a stream of anonymous e-mails to his superiors in the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

“I knew the policy going in,” Copas said in an interview on the campus of East Tennessee State University, where he is pursuing a master’s degree in counseling and working as a student adviser. “I knew it was going to be difficult.”

Copas joined the Army after the 9/11 attacks out of a sense of duty. He was willing to live with the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, because serving was so important to him. As an Arabic language specialist, the military was lucky to have him.

But after a series of anonymous emails to Copas’ superior officers, Army officials apparently gave up on the first half of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” compromise.

The accuser, who signed his e-mails “John Smith” or “ftbraggman,” pressed Copas’ superiors to take action against him or “I will inform your entire battalion of the information that I gave you.”

On December 2, investigators formally interviewed Copas and asked if he understood the military’s policy on homosexuals, if he had any close acquaintances who were gay, and if he was involved in community theater. He answered affirmatively.

But Copas declined to answer when they asked, “Have you ever engaged in homosexual activity or conduct?” He refused to answer 19 of 47 questions before he asked for a lawyer and the interrogation stopped.

As Paul Waldman put it, Copas was drummed out of the Army because of the “We’ll ask, you’d better not tell” policy. Copas never said he was gay, but also didn’t want to commit perjury by lying about his sexual orientation during the military interrogation. He leaves the Army with an honorable discharge, which lists his medals and commendations — and the reason he left the armed services.

And speaking of the inanity of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, I had an item a few months ago about Maj. [tag]Margaret Witt[/tag], a poster woman for the Air Force’s flight nurse recruiting program, who excelled during an 19-year military career and who, in 2003, was awarded the Air Medal for her Middle East deployment and, later, the Air Force Commendation Medal, for saving the life of a Defense Department worker. She was drummed out of the Air Force for having a committed relationship with another woman, who was a civilian. (Another anonymous tip prompted an investigation.)

In April, Witt filed a federal lawsuit against the Pentagon with the help of the ACLU. Yesterday, the highly decorated Air Force saw her case thrown out of court by a federal judge.

Air Force Reserve Maj. Margaret Witt, 42, of Spokane, had asked U.S. District Judge Ronald B. Leighton to reinstate her, citing a U.S. Supreme Court ruling striking down a Texas anti-sodomy law. Leighton refused and dismissed her case after finding that the Texas decision did not affect the constitutionality of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” the military’s policy prohibiting inquiries about the sex lives of service members but requiring the discharge of those who acknowledge being gay.

Witt had claimed that being discharged under the policy would violate her free-speech and due-process rights. Leighton, however, rejected those claims.

Witt wants to use her 19 years of decorated service to treat injured troops who could no doubt benefit from her service during a time of war. She has sterling performance reviews and, in 1993, the Air Force literally used her photograph in brochures used to recruit nurses. But it doesn’t matter; her career is over.

Right now, the Army has a shortage of Arabic language specialists and the Air Force has a shortage of qualified, well-trained flight nurses. But as of today, neither Bleu Copas nor Margaret Witt will be able to wear a uniform.

If there’s a logical explanation for this policy, I’d love someone to explain it to me.

Ask Bill Clinton. He pledged that his first act as president would be to sign an executive order admitting gays to the military. In fact, his first act was bend over and present himself to Senator Sam Nunn (D) and the brave boys in the Pentagon. Presidential courage? A chance to define his authority over the military? You decide.

  • Well, it’s not like we really need people who know the Arabic language for anything. Hell, we don’t pay attention to information presented in English….

    Of course, if we apply Ann Coulter’s logic to Sgt. Copas, if he’s having sex with a lot of men, then he must be straight. In fact, we should probably be purging people who have sex with the opposite gender from the military because they are all gay.

    I’m very confused.

    No, not like that! Get your mind out of the gutter…

  • The explanation of this policy can be found in the timidity of Bill Clinton. He made a campaign promise, reiterated many times during the 1992 campaign, and promptly broke it when Sam Nunn threatened to mutiny. The resulting policy, apparently intended as a presidential face-saving gesture, was don’t ask don’t tell. As I recall those events and see the continued idiocy of the policy, I’m having a hard time restraining myself from suggesting that certain lawmakers and pentagon denizens perform fellatio on me, so I’ll just bid you all good morning instead.

  • “Don’t ask, don’t tell” is a fucking travesty.

    A serious blot on Clinton. Much as my initial reaction to stories like this is anger directed at Bush, because I know the Republican’s attitude on this stuff, and the fact that we are in a War now because of Bush, I have to stop and remember who actually implemented this bullshit.

  • Once again: “military intelligence is to actual intelligence as military music is to actual music.”

    They didn’t get called “lifer morons” in my day for no good reason.

  • Re CB’s thread two ago, clearly this is part of a larger policy of changing the military so that it both lacks moral compass and any world view or opinion in opposition to the Bushites.

  • On December 2, investigators formally interviewed Copas and asked if he understood the military’s policy on homosexuals, if he had any close acquaintances who were gay, and if he was involved in community theater.

    Um … huh?

    So let me get this straight (pun acknowledged, not intended): The military will look the other way when skinheads and gang bangers infiltrate the military in order to learn urban combat, but if someone stars in a local production of “Bye Bye, Birdie” they are discharged?

    There are times when I really do wonder if our society deserves to exist …

  • brian: excellent suggestion. Someone fire up the Photoshop app. I’m thinking Rummy and Jeff Gannon would look nice together.

    By the way, the notion of interragators asking a man in all seriousness and under oath, “are you involved in community theater?”, belongs in a comedy skit. In this context, though – not funny.

  • Wouldn’t “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” be consistent with discharging people who tell – including people who rat on their fellow soldiers? Shouldn’t they be looking for the person who turned Copas in? The policy isn’t “don’t be gay”, it’s “don’t TELL”, so if you didn’t tell, you shouldn’t be punished because someone else did.

    I haven’t served in the military, so I can’t tell you what the homophobic temperature is there. It’s possible that once you’re outed, even unofficially, that you can no longer serve effectively because there are too many bigoted soldiers that don’t want to work with you. That said, at some point that is going to have to change, so why not now?

  • Jeebus, lay off Clinton. Yes the policy is stupid and he should have just said if you’re gay be all you can be but that was 14 years ago and it was a first incremental step. If you want to be outraged ber outraged at the fact we have made no progress since then. The problem is the Marlboro Man culture at the Pentagon and the stupid anti-gay freepers.

    When I am king president, I will not only allow gay in the military, I will actively recruit them and form a gay division! I will call them the Fabulous Fighting 5th and they will be based in Paris, Milan and Miami Beach.

    I can’t wait until the Ranger competition is won by Adam and Steve[n] the Gay Rangers. Nothing upsets a man’s man more than losing to a gay or a woman.

    Seriously, how can anyone who is serious about national security support discharging highly skilled volunteers durnign a time of “war”?

  • Reading the full article, it’s way more scary. It was a full-blown blackmail case (the anonymous e-mail writer, who has not been identified, threatened the command that s/he would make the ‘information’ public). I can’t believe they didn’t press to identify the person, and bring them up on charges.

  • Thank you MNProgressive. Yes, folks Clinton comprised poorly on the issue. However, that was then, this is now. We need Arabic speakers. Blame the Pentagon and Bush for the current situation not Clinton poor choice 14 years ago. Finally, suppose Clinton had done everything you wanted on this topic, say issuing an executive order stating that homosexuality is just fine in the military. Do you really think that W wouldn’t have signed an executive order rescinding Clinton’s? Really? I am 100% positive he would have.

  • I haven’t served in the military, so I can’t tell you what the homophobic temperature is there.

    It’s very, very, very strong.

    My former boss was a retired Lt. Col. in the Army, and I work with about a dozen other former military (both career and one-termers) from every branch.

    The Marines and Army guys are INSANELY anti-gay. One even told me that “they should all be rounded up and shot. And I’ll pull the trigger.” The Navy guys are a little less harsh, but still pretty bad. The two Air Force guys are incredibly liberal and very open minded.

    Now, I readily admit that this isn’t a representative sample or anything, but from my experience, that’s pretty much the breakdown.

    And if you notice the education levels of the branches, it makes perfect sense.

  • I’m not saying that Clinton should be cast into the lake of fire; he’s about a thousand times better than — never mind.

    What I am suggesting is that the DADT policy was a cop out at best, and had the unintended effect of providing Bush with cover on the gays-in-the-military issue. Bush can simply ignore the continued persecution of gays while insisting that it was a “Democrat” president, after all, who put the current “enlightened” policy in place. Oh, and he along with the other homophobic Republicans can keep accepting (on the down low) the cash and support of the poor, deluded Log Cabin boys.

    By the way, is there anyone among the current crop of Democratic wannabes who has shown any willingness to take on this issue? I didn’t think so.

  • How can anyone who is serious about national security support discharging highly skilled volunteers during a time of “war”? The ineffectiveness of George Jr.’s military policy is stunning.

    (Thank you MNProgressive (#13) for this excellent point.)

  • Like Jim, I’m not tossing Clinton out with the trash, but I am sticking with what I said. It was dumb compromise then, and we are really paying the price NOW. In a climate (at least regarding teh gay) arguably worse to make progress on the issue then.

    The only saving grace is that the stupidity of the policy couldn’t be better or more compellingly illustrated than with these two examples.

    Somebody should have the balls to tackle this, and like Jim, I don’t see that person walking into the room.

    I guess you could say, I am not just disappointed in Clinton, I’m disappointed in ALL of them.

  • “I will not only allow gay in the military, I will actively recruit them and form a gay division!”

    I hate to break the news to you, but it’s already been done, three hundred years before Christ. Google sacred band of thebes or just read the

  • Everyone always seems to forget the third part of this moronic policy. It is “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Don’t Pursue”. The various branches of the military conveniently ignore the last part.

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