‘We’re confusing 1950s culture with the teaching of Scripture’

I can appreciate that much of modern feminism is about women have the power to choose, but choosing a life short of equality strikes me as troubling. The Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, for example, is offering courses on homemaking — in which women are taught that “men make decisions; women make dinner.”

This fall, the internationally known seminary — a century-old training ground for Southern Baptists — began reinforcing those traditional gender roles with college classes in homemaking. The academic program, open only to women, includes lectures on laundering stubborn stains and a lab in baking chocolate-chip cookies.

Philosophical courses such as “Biblical Model for the Home and Family” teach that God expects wives to graciously submit to their husbands’ leadership. A model house, to be completed by next fall, will allow women to get credit toward bachelor’s degrees by learning how to set tables, sew buttons and sustain lively dinnertime conversation.

It all sounds wonderful to sophomore Emily Felts, 19, who signed up as soon as she arrived on campus this fall.

Several relatives have told Felts that she’s selling herself short. They want her to become a lawyer, and she agrees she’d make a good one. But that’s not what she wants to do with her life…. “My created purpose as a woman is to be a helper,” Felts said firmly. “This is a college education that I can use.”

That’s one small step for a woman; one giant leap backwards for modern gender roles and family structure.

More moderate Southern Baptists disagree, and counter with their own biblical references. When Jesus dined at the home of two sisters, he praised Mary, who spent the evening studying his teachings, above Martha, who did chores. Elsewhere in the New Testament, the Apostle Paul writes that “there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ.”

“We’re confusing 1950s culture with the teaching of Scripture,” said Wade Burleson, a Southern Baptist pastor in Oklahoma. “I nowhere see where the Lord Jesus places limitations on the role of women in our culture.”

Alas, students who sign up for the courses don’t see it that way.

Home-schooled by her mother, Felts is poised, articulate and unfailingly polite; she calls her elders “ma’am” and expresses surprise with a genteel “goodness!” She commutes to college from her family’s Fort Worth home, so she has plenty of opportunity to work on her helper skills. She’s sewing a pink-and-brown polka-dot dress for herself. She dusts, mops and vacuums. She often makes dinner for her family: Noodles from scratch, or quiche with a homemade crust.

Does she enjoy these tasks? Except for vacuuming, absolutely, Felts said. And if she didn’t?

“It really doesn’t matter what I think,” Felts said. “It matters what the Bible says.”

Wow.

“It really doesn’t matter what I think,” Felts said. “It matters what I’m told the Bible says.”

Fixed.

She can’t possibly be troubled to actually read it, what with all the housework to be done.

  • To each his own. The great thing about this world most of us live in are the choices we all have – and if this young woman and others choose to take courses in homemaking, well, that’s their choice.

    I am distressed to read about someone who is ceding her ability to think, which means that the decisons she is making are not really hers, and she may never know what she really wants, or who she really is. That’s very sad, but we can’t always save people from themselves.

  • I wonder if the Stepford Academy will present its recipients of MRS degrees with diplomas or will the graduates have to create them in needlepoint for themselves.

    Good for Emily Felts to go about finding her happiness in any way she desires. But being a stay-at-home housewife is not a biblical calling, it’s a luxury. If she can land herself a nice rich husband who can pay all the bills by himself, good for her. But in this day and age having both spouses working is an absolute necessity for most people. Just look at the Frost family. If you’re lucky enough to be baking cookies all day great, but just down look down your nose at families where both parents have to work hard to provide for the family.

    P.S. – “God expects wives to graciously submit to their husbands’ leadership.” No wonder Republicans are so screwed in the head — leadership is a euphemism for sex.

  • Kudos, doubtful!

    There may be an underlying benefit to all of this. First, all leadership positions open to women will now be occupied by Liberal/Progressive women. Then, all of the “Emily Felts” in America will subsequently listen to Ann(chor-chain) Coulter’s advice to “not vote”—thus drawing vast legions of conservative females out of the electorate. Third, employers the world over will acquire a disgusting taste in their mouth when they do no more than see “SBTS” on an applicant’s resume. Southern Baptist graduates will no longer be able to find meaningful employment, and their “degrees” will qualify them for the menial-labor service industry workforce paying so little that the nation can only fill the job-vacancies with illegal immigrants, Bill O’Reilly fanclub members, and middle-school dropouts….

  • I largely agree with Anne @#2 — more power to this young woman who is clear about what she wants to do with her life and is lucky enough to live in a society that affords her the freedom to pursue her dream. (And I always endorse the notion that someone strive to be the very best at whatever they choose to do.) If the school permitted men to enroll in this same course of study, this would be a totally heartwarming story.

  • With the world marching firmly backwards into the Dark Ages, does this mean that the stage is being set for the reappearance of colorful, free-thinking hippies and beatniks who will dazzle the world with their creativity and joyous appreciation of life?

    One sincerely hopes so.

  • A model house, to be completed by next fall.

    And there is heavy competition among the faculty to be the “Model Husband.”

    The saddest thing? Women are paying to learn this sort of thing. I don’t know what tuition there is but it has to be a fuck of a lot more than the cost of a few books on cooking, sewing and etiquette. And of course a Bible

    Talk about a scam.

  • “My created purpose as a woman is to be a helper,” Felts said firmly.

    Thus church fucks up skulls. Here we see she heeds feeble screeds, to do only jobs for God’s glory. This girl insists strict limits will bring bliss. What can a man say?

    It would take a mighty effort to deprogram people like this, to teach them that their “created purpose” is what they make of it, not imposed from above. I’d suggest driving the wedge into this crack:

    “It really doesn’t matter what I think,” Felts said. “It matters what the Bible says.”

    Ah, but when you judge the Bible to be a moral authority, you are using your own mind to determine what is good and what isn’t. You can’t escape human fallibility by surrendering it to a supposed absolute law.

  • In keeping with the march to the dark ages, it’s kids week on Jeopardy. The answer was, ‘My administration called the New Deal started many programs to lessen the effects of the great depression’. None knew the answer. Alex was so flustered , at first, he said the answer was Teddy,

  • And then 20 years down the road the “Promisekeeper” decides he needs a younger bouncier wife. Just mind-numbingly, achingly stupid.

  • Whenever I am told something is in the Bible, I always ask which one. The Book of Revelation, for instance, didn’t make it into the official Bible until the fourth century. And since it wasn’t written by the person they thought it was written by, should it remain in the Bible?

    This young woman is a conservative idealist. I hope she gets a remarkable husband. But her degree may actually be of use. She can start a house cleaning business to support her children when her husband runs off with another man.

  • You ever notice that the really screwed up Christians invariably site the Old Testament to justify their screwed up values instead of the New Testament. Whenever I talk to one of those yahoos, I always try to get them to justify their actions/words based on the New Testament and what Jesus taught but they never seem capable of doing that.

  • Brought to you by the church that owes its very existence to the premise that their bible also teaches the acceptance of a racial form of human chattels.

  • she…expresses surprise with a genteel “goodness!”

    “Psychopathic” is more like it.

    Home-schooled by her mother, Felts is poised, articulate and unfailingly polite; she calls her elders “ma’am” and expresses surprise with a genteel “goodness!” She commutes to college from her family’s Fort Worth home, so she has plenty of opportunity to work on her helper skills. She’s sewing a pink-and-brown polka-dot dress for herself. She dusts, mops and vacuums. She often makes dinner for her family: Noodles from scratch, or quiche with a homemade crust.

    There is a word for women like Felts: Stacy (this is a Wayne’s World reference).

  • A dull man indeed who would want something like this for a wife…a mindless doll who walks and talks when told to. Instructions from a book edited more times than a JC Penney catalog, divinely written by a divinity that couldn’t make one original surviving book. Home schooled = brain dead, unopinionated and lacking diversity. Finally when women have the opportunity to make a choice about being stuck in a role…they decide to remain as if they were still living in the first century. Delusion at it’s home schooled prejudiced best.

  • Hey, I make quiche with a homemade crust. I rather like making pastry.

    Still, I went to university to get an aerospace engineering degree…

    Ironically, that quote, ‘“God expects wives to graciously submit to their husbands’” was from my spouse’s grandfather (or was it great uncle?) at any rate, a relative that is luckily, not close.

    People like that give me the ickies.

  • A dull man indeed who would want something like this for a wife…a mindless doll who walks and talks when told to. Instructions from a book

    Well, the cookies aren’t a bad idea, personally. If they could be made vegan also that would be good.

  • Wasn’t she already taught these skills at home growing up? I mean golly! why go to college…just sign up on line for Marry my daughter. You dont have to be female or home schooled or even christian to know how to sew, make noodles from scratch or chocolate chip cookies. My mother has a PhD, can sew like you wouldnt believe,refinish & recover furniture and cook, but if my dad tried to tell her what to do, she’d look at him like the alzheimers had taken hold and put him in a home. I want to be just like her when I grow up and I didnt even need to go to college to learn how to make cookies, she already taught me… and my brothers too.

  • Ridiculous.

    I give Felts a year or so until she’s bored to tears and begs to go to “real” college to become the attorney she wishes to be. As an attorney she can choose to also “help” by going into family law (protecting kids), or international law (helping those who are being persecuted), or environmental law (going after polluters), etc. She’s missing out on the wider world. Her home is her home, and she can have a career and still nurture children, be a good helpmate to her spouse.

    This Southern Baptist cr*p is yet another plot to keep women “barefoot and pregnant”, half a person. Why would Jesus want a woman to not fulfill her true potential, her true calling? He wouldn’t.

  • localgirl @#20 –

    why go to college

    To meet your future husband and earn that MRS degree, of course. That’s also why you go to a good Bible college and not a state university – too many temptations and boys of different religions. Better to go somewhere where your choices are already limited down to boys that will be “acceptable” to your parents.

    People like Felts tick me off. I read my Bible cover to cover MANY times between when I started High School and when I finished college. I’ve been on a long soul search for decades searching for what my religion actually is. And while I’ve been leaning “atheist” for a number of years, at least I bothered to try to figure out what was actually in the Bible. The fact that Felts thinks that the Bible describes a woman’s role as the same as June Cleaver on “Leave it to Beaver” grates. If you want to live that life that’s fine, but don’t pretend that it’s because God wants you to live that life.

  • Many of us would prefer to be kept if we could surrender our brains at the door, and do the unquestioned bidding of the keeper. In fact that’s what many of us do anyway only the keeper is our consumer culture and the kept are the automatons who march in lock-step to the mall. Despite the feminist movement, there have always been women who have advocated being barefoot and pregnant even when they are quite intelligent and should know better. Phyllis Schlafly comes to mind immediately. If only she would shut up, stay home, and bake cookies. Instead she probably beats her husband (if she has one) several times a day whether he needs it or not, and runs her mouth incessantly about ‘traditional values.’

    This sort of retro thinking only divides us more than we are, and flies in the face a glaring economic reality. Wealthy Rethug wives can stay home, have servants, and nannies to raise the kids. Most other women, especially single mothers, have to shuck and jive for a living, whether it’s helping out a traditional household, or for themselves and their children. Young women of college age, not unlike young men of college age, are allowed to follow their ideas and to make mistakes. One can only hope an intelligent young woman wises up quickly and understands the need for independent thought and action. For the hard-cord fundies I have little hope.

  • It’s entirely possible that, having been home-schooled and raised in a very religious home, this girl is afraid of what the big, wide world is all about, and taking homemaking classes probably feels very safe to her. No, she’s not going to get the same kind of exposure to the wider world going to the kind of college she’s attending, but at least she’s not being college-educated at home, too.

    I’m glad to hear that there are a lot of men who aren’t looking for someone to cater to their every need, but there are still some out there – and most of them are probably also home-schooled and very religious.

    It’s not what I want for my own daughters, and it isn’t what my mother wanted for me, but that’s us – and I’m not going to judge this young woman as being “wrong” for making this particular choice. She’s young, and she has a world of choices out there, if she can open her mind and allow herself to see it – and if her parents will not be afraid to allow her to explore.

    It’s hard to let go of them, but you have to – it’s the only way they become themselves and not just extensions of us.

  • I am put off both by the thought underlying this college program, and some of the condescension in this thread. However, no one has touched on the most horrifying aspect of all of this:

    Home-schooled by her mother, Felts is poised, articulate and unfailingly polite; she calls her elders “ma’am” and expresses surprise with a genteel “goodness!” She commutes to college from her family’s Fort Worth home, so she has plenty of opportunity to work on her helper skills. She’s sewing a pink-and-brown polka-dot dress for herself. She dusts, mops and vacuums. She often makes dinner for her family: Noodles from scratch, or quiche with a homemade crust.

    Pink and brown polka dot? This woman needs serious help.

  • Well, I am old enough that ALL of these comments, both pro and con, sound very retro, and done to death. If this girl can live in a safe, unthinking little cocoon, perhaps she can have a very pleasant life, albeit, with maybe a few late night thoughts, swiftly shoved aside. Chances are that time, and life, will give her another kind of education. She may then regret some of her earlier choices. Perhaps she will feel betrayed that the path she thought so righteous, purposeful, and plain, was actually muddied, fraught, and painful. Perhaps she will entertain some other ideas, perhaps only mourn for her good life gone wrong. She may surprise everyone, including herself, by becoming a self-actualizing person. But growth is difficult, choices are not always so clear, and safety is precarious in anyone’s world. The Jesus I know continues to be radical in every generation. Colouring inside the lines doesn’t get one into a storybook Heaven. Without dynamic challenges, religion is not a living thing, but a musty tome of archaic traditions.

  • Has someone been reading Jezebel?

    My friend alerted me to this, and I wondered if this class is all about pleasing the husband are they going to offer a Dr. Ruth-syled sex class?

  • I am amazed that you would condemn what she believes over what you believe. That is really sad. Hope you like being a bigot.

  • NonyNony @ 22

    I don’t think you read the same version I did. King James.
    Anne@2 nails it.

    Genesis (Chapter 3, I believe) reads that men shall rule over women. God specifically told Eve this was and would be the case.

    Female believers of the literal world of the Bible must do as their husbands say.
    If their husbands command them to do chores, so be it. If the husband commands them to study the Bible, she has to do that. How odd Jesus would praise the student of the Bible so when it wasn’t as though she had a choice in the matter, assuming they were proper Jews who believed in the literal word.

    Men who find they have married a smarter woman do not have the luxury of abdicating rule.
    They must gain counsel from their wives and then approve of what she says. Seems like a bit of a waste of time to me and perhaps a little humbling to have it ground into you that you’re largely dead weight. It may look awfully strange as the neighbors see you do everything she says but pretend it’s your idea.

    To believe the Bible literally, one must accept uncommon practices. Many of which grate more typical Americans. (like us) Their faith need not be correct for them to be practicing it correctly. Those that follow the literal word of the Koran do well to kill non-Muslims despite most Muslims abhorrence of murder and common legal standards of most every nation. Internally, the logic is fairly consistent. Understand this, and you can learn an awful lot about those people some consider insane.

  • As others have pointed out, it is not confusion. The Bible dictates that women be subserviant to men. What’s worse, is there are quite a few women who buy into the idea.

    Sad, very sad.

  • The Bible is a big book with a lot of different stories and should be read in the context of the time in which they were written. Esther for example is a story about a woman who was clever enough to submit (because it was the death penalty if she didn’t) and still able to use the all of her brains and cleverness to save her people.

    The Bible is full of stories about lots of women, all living in a time when women were property. The interesting thing is that even from the earliest time, when women had no rights, women were still able to affect huge changes. Read Genesis if you doubt me. The Bible is not necessarily a model for good christian behavior, it is a faithful record of the human condition, with all of its flaws. Further it is silly to read these texts and try to apply our twenty-first century sensibilities to first century and earlier texts.

    This young woman is only nineteen and I hope has a long life ahead of her. If she wants to be a house wife at nineteen, that does not mean that’s all she will do. At thirty she may change her mind and this is America.

    Also I have to say that raising children is the most intellectually challenging and interesting thing I ever did and I spent a couple of decades at home with them while helping my spouse with his business. I do not regret the time I spent with my family and it was far from boring.

  • “My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally-healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can. Children are naive– they trust everyone. School is bad enough, but, if you put a child anywhere in the vicinity of a church, you’re asking for trouble.

    The Real Frank Zappa Book", 1988

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