West Virginia open thread

It took about a second or two after the polls closed in West Virginia for the networks to call the state for Hillary Clinton tonight, surprising absolutely no one.

Hillary Rodham Clinton coasted to a large, but largely symbolic victory in working-class West Virginia on Tuesday, handing Barack Obama one of his worst defeats of the campaign but scarcely slowing his march toward the Democratic presidential nomination. The Associated Press made its call based on surveys of voters as they left the polls.

Obama looked ahead to the Oregon primary later in the month and the general election campaign against Republican John McCain, but the defeat underscored his weakness among blue collar voters who will be pivotal in the fall. […]

Interviews with West Virginians leaving their polling places suggested Clinton’s victory could be as overwhelming as any she has gained to date, delivered by an overwhelmingly white electorate comprised of the kinds of voters who favored her in past primaries. Nearly a quarter were 60 or older, and a similar number had no education beyond high school. More than half were in families with incomes of $50,000 or less.

A total of 28 delegates were up for grabs tonight in West Virginia, and most estimates suggest Clinton should move ahead with a net gain of 10.

In terms of exit polls, ABC News noted, “Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote, second only to Mississippi.”

Exit polls also hinted that Clinton could end up winning the state by a 2-to-1 margin, which would be a clear landslide victory, though far less than than what some Clinton supporters had hoped for. (Building up expectations too high can be tricky business.)

Consider this an overnight open thread for everyone who wants to weigh in on the results. Are you surprised by the numbers? Pleased with the outcome? Did you see anything especially annoying in the networks’ coverage tonight?

The floor is yours….

And John McCain won 1% of the vote and no delegates in the West Virginia Republican Primary in February.

  • I am not a supporter of either democratic candidate, but they are better than the republican alternative.

    The fact that Obama has raised a lot more money than Clinton, and the fact that he leads her on almost every measure, this night will not change a thing.

    I’ve heard Clinton says many times in this election that “X State is going to be a game changer” and I have yet to see that. Besides, Clinton seems to always move the actual definition of what winning is to suit her needs.

    Unless Clinton literally wins 90%+ of every state (and Puerto Rico) AND get 90%+ of the superdelagates that have yet to vote, the nomination will go to Obama.

  • The media isn’t allowed to talk about the real reason Obama can’t win West Virginia; it’s chock full of racists. (Please note, I am not implying that everyone in the state is a racist. I’m just saying there are a lot of them). West Virginia is out of our reach for the general election anyway. Obama needs to concentrate on the industrial midwest and the Rocky Mountain states in order to win in November. West Virginia will go red.

  • West Virginia will go red.

    And we’ll survive without its whopping five electoral votes, I suspect.

    Clinton keeps hyping the fact that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia. If Obama can steal Va., NC, or Colorado — just one of those — he’ll double or triple its value. Let it go.

  • Did they do an exit poll amongst Clinton voters on what percentage of them think Obama is a muslim?

    That would be fascinating.

  • Not “steal,” TR. Stealing is what the GOP does. “Win” is the word. Obama can WIN Virginia and Colorado, and he just might have a chance in North Carolina. We don’t need West Virginia to win.

  • (As a side note: isn’t it weird that Virginia is now a more liberal state than West Virginia? I mean, W.Va. exists because it insisted on breaking away from the Old Dominion and remaining part of the Union! And now, the former Confederate state has a MUCH greater chance of voting for the candidate who just might be our first black president! History takes some odd turns, doesn’t it?)

  • Looks like the best thing to do would be to have a parallel general election in the fall – one for America to elect the next POTUS and one for the stoooooopid people. Obama could be the democratic nominee for the former, shillary for the latter.

    And mclame would be able to run in BOTH elections, general and stooooooopid – we all know he belongs in the latter, but some idiot has to step up to the plate to represent the criminal repugs/neocons in the general.

  • #6. Erik in Maine

    I’d like to see an exit poll where we just asked the folks from WV how many fingers they had on both hands – doubt we would get 10 very often.

    And it wouldn’t be because they were physically missing any – they just wouldn’t be able to count them.

  • Most Americans are only in denial if they say it is not about race. Of course it is no matter what the poles say. Or, what the rhetoric is on the cable news networks and those examples in this very blog or other blogs I have been reading. For me, Barack Hussein Obama appears to be a better blend in what is considered a black/white combination. The Mainstream Media recognizes this, putting it mildly, is exploiting it to the max. But, America is so anxious and hungry for change many fail to understand how they are manipulated. Have been manipulated, and plans that are in progress to manipulate Americans further.

    So what, well, for me reading something about a person helps me to understand them, especially if they author a book. Strolling through K-Mart in the South Side of Chicago store I saw a copy of Obama’s book “Audacity of Hope”. So I bought it and just about done reading it. There are a lot of interesting points and some good thoughts, but there are some very horrible descriptions, and racial insults about White Southern Men that are hard to talk about. Here Obama needs to answer a lot of questions however; the media is giving Obama a free ride. Hell, the media gave Bush a free ride and look where America is at now. It is too late for the Media, CNN, Fox, and MSNBC to redeem them selves. Those Mainstream Media first line Journalist and analysts comfortably lie or don’t give a hoot because they have a six figure pay check.

    Obama is too inexperienced to take on the Neo-Con juggernaut that is about to swamp him. Plus from what I have read about that Rezko stuff is enough to totally embarrass Obama in MLK’s basic test of character. To be sure the Reverend Wright thing was just a fairly tale compared to what is the “Side Show” that will bury Obama and likely classify those that embrace him as a Judge of poor character.

    Please understand Obama to me appears to be a nice guy and knows a lot. But, totally interprets things in too complicated ways or is far too simple in slogan rants like, yes we can. That middle gap is the most important part to be able to translate and connect with; sorry Obama has no clue how to govern and no results to offer in explanation in his resume.

    Going to Harvard is O.K. well, so did Osama Bin Laden and his accomplishments are very extraordinary coming from the work shops of caves and sand pits. Of course America wants to find him. Actually one ideal was to have Bin laden stay behind bars for the rest of his life to watch the world evolve perhaps not as he might think it will. Here, Obama appears to be seeped in corruption with that Rezko thing, for if he is why he did not blow the whistle and be put part of the problem solving in the community. He is lawyer isn’t he? Shouting ethics, or is that pouting ethics. Sort of like spending twenty years watching his Reverend friend loose his mind finally going berserk for a few seconds, on screen or off screen. To be sure Obama did hear Reverend Wright say some nasty things.

    That’s the problem; ethics sort of like Kerry that famous thing were Kerry voted against it before he voted for it. Or the other way around. His Reverend Wright friend could have done the “Right” thing and just apologized to America. But his Reverend Wright friend acted in a Niggardly way. Carry on and build a divide that is what Americans are afraid of.

  • I wonder if Hillary has opaqued her bathroom mirror. I’m not sure I’d be proud to have won in a state dominated by uneducated racists. But then she did serve six years on the board of Wal-Mart.

    On to Oregon!

  • Megalomania… wow, what a long, rumbling, incoherent and grammatically awkward statement!

  • Megalomania:
    I will try to be nice. What a load ot tripe! In one long diatribe, you managed to totally expose yourself. The Rezko case has been going on for 6 months and it seems Rove might have a problem, not Obama. You don’t have to vote for Obama, but don’t think you will convince any high-information voter here with that kind of garbage.
    On a more serious note, I am more interested in MS-01 tonight.

  • Whoa! On a different subject, Democrat Travis Childers just won the runoff to represent the Mississippi 1st District in the U.S. House of Representatives! We just won in Missi-friggin-sippi!!!!!!!! And that was after the GOP tried to slime Childers by tying him to the Obama/Wright controversy!

    I have a very good feeling about November.

  • I have a very good feeling about November.

    Deep-red districts in Illinois, Louisiana and now Mississippi have all voted in Democrats. Wow.

    November is going to be good. Bring it on, fuckers.

  • The Childers news is excellent; it would have been interesting to see what would have happened however if Childers had not run away from Obama by arguing “he has not endorsed me.” It is always disappointing when our down-ballot folks run away from the top candidate.

    As for the main feature of the evening, the exit polls are showing wild animosity between the supporting camps (upward of 60% say the other candidate doesn’t represent my values, a third of each say they would vote McCain in the fall if their first choice doesn’t prevail). Ouch.

    Someone upthread asked about polling on the Muslim issue; they did exit poll the Wright issue and 50% said they believe Obama shares Wright’s views. Also, nearly half (43%) of Obama supporters thought the gas tax holiday is a good idea. Sometimes even bad policies make such good politics that it is hard to swim against that tide.

    In the end, however, it gets Clinton a net +12 (approx) which is immaterial – Obama has more than balanced that out in Supers in the past 5 days. Unless this freezes the Supers, she is still on borrowed time. Best result: she uses this and Kentucky to gin up fundraising, use it to pay off the debts (vendors first, preferably) and then she gracefully exits (my offer to write her speech for free, and my guarantee it would rock, still stands).

  • “West Virginia will go red.

    And we’ll survive without its whopping five electoral votes, I suspect.”

    Why should Obama give up on West Virginia in the general? If they love Hillary so much, she can campaign for him and deliver the state for the party in November. Assuming she is willing to deliver on her promise to back the nominee, of course…

  • There seems to be a lot of ‘You don’t want to support my candidate, you must be a racist so of course your opinion doesn’t count’ being spewed tonight.

    Sad really. People who don’t agree with you don’t count? And you expect to win a majority in November?

    Not that way.

  • I wish Chris Matthews would stop suggesting Hillary Clinton is a racist because she said white working-class people vote for her. MSNBC is always pointing out who is voting for which candidate. Tonight the “exit poll” segment immediately followed the part where Matthews was protesting Hillary talking about “white voters”. Does he listen to his own show?

  • Good commentary by Josh on TPM. Hillary has mopped up on Obama in states that include regions of Appalachia. Check out the map – it’s amazing.

    Older, white, little education. Reminds me of my mother. She doesn’t like Obama because she just can’t get past the black/white thing.

    It’s not that Obama can’t appeal to these white rural voters in November. He actually has their interests at heart much more than any Republican does, and can do well there in spite of the racial thing. Dems need these voters. It’s too bad Hillary has pandered to their worst instincts instead of appealing to their common ground with the Democratic party.

  • check out craig crawford.

    stupidest whiney post crying about people not giving hillary and white racists a break.

    anopther career casculty to the clintons.

  • Aravosis has posted a rant that pretty much sums up my feelings, the major difference being that when I write such things, I usually refrain from clicking “submit comment”: Go away you horrible human being

    IT’S NOT CLOSE. YOU FREAKING LOST THE NOMINATION, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

  • I’ve been at the ball game all night, so I haven’t looked closely at anything, but congratulations, Rep. Childers, on turning a blood-red district blue, and congratulations, Senator Clinton, on your West Virginia win. It will be good for her to go out on a high note.

    Okie (dang you, friend; now that song’s going through my brain), Josh’s commentary on it not being white working-class voters in general, but specifically Appalachian white working-class voters, who go overwhelmingly for Clinton was interesting, but somebody did it in much more detail in the past day or two. Open Left? A Kos diary? If I can find it, I’ll post the link, because it really is interesting how Appalachian voting patterns stand out as a unique swath.

  • The shillary trolls that are in denial or lying about the racists nature of her campaign and pretend that somehow the least educated white voters are the key to the White House.

    America doesn’t need a “Wal-Mart” president that represents a continuation of the junta that stole the White House in 2000 & 2004.

    No bush-clinton-bush-clinton dynasty America knows that is not what this country was all about – unless you are an uneducated poor white folk in the regions of Appalachia.

    And some think that these folks are going to be the key to positive change?

  • When I talked with mom on Mother’s Day, the Democratic race came up. She really wanted to see a woman president in her lifetime, but has decided to vote for Obama because of all the crap Hillary and her campaign staff have been pulling. She’s completely disgusted by John McCain.

    Mom was never one for politics until Bill Clinton was running. It was the first time it really meant something to her, because for the first time someone from her generation was likely to win. I can see why she’d like Hillary to get the nod, since Hillary is only a few years younger than her, but she’s come to the conclusion that while the country is definitely ready for a woman president, it’s just not THAT woman.

    For someone who grew up in a poor family in rural Wyoming, the progress I’ve seen in her over the last couple of decades just makes me so proud of her. She loves my legal husband (thanks, Canada) as though he were hers, and always introduces him as either her “other” son or her son-in-law.

    As for gripes about the coverage, or what little of it I bothered to watch, they pre-empted the beginning of “Jeopardy” with a blurb about calling the race already. That sort of pissed me off. 😉

  • In terms of exit polls, ABC News noted, “Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote, second only to Mississippi.”

    The AP got slightly different results:

    One in four Clinton voters and about one in 10 Obama voters said race was an important factor in their vote.

    About one in five Clinton voters said gender was an important factor in their vote. Nearly as many Obama voters said that.

    Interesting, no?

  • And for those who think charges of racism are so over the top, check this from the Washington Post:

    …In Muncie, a factory town in the east-central part of Indiana, Ross and her cohorts were soliciting support for Obama at malls, on street corners and in a Wal-Mart parking lot, and they ran into “a horrible response,” as Ross put it, a level of anti-black sentiment that none of them had anticipated…

    For all the hope and excitement Obama’s candidacy is generating, some of his field workers, phone-bank volunteers and campaign surrogates are encountering a raw racism and hostility that have gone largely unnoticed — and unreported — this election season. Doors have been slammed in their faces. They’ve been called racially derogatory names (including the white volunteers). And they’ve endured malicious rants and ugly stereotyping from people who can’t fathom that the senator from Illinois could become the first African American president.

    The contrast between the large, adoring crowds Obama draws at public events and the gritty street-level work to win votes is stark. The candidate is largely insulated from the mean-spiritedness that some of his foot soldiers deal with away from the media spotlight.

  • There is a very fine line Dems have to walk between insisting on sound, rational well-informed decisions by voters and officials and seriously troubling elitism. What Obama got heat for saying (which really didn’t bother me) is nothing compared to some of what gets said here.

    As a lifelong Democrat raised in a blue-collar union household, I always thought of the Democrats somewhat in John Edwards terms – the “ordinary” people versus the powerful plutocrats, with the Dems giving voice and support to those lacking in other means to impact policy making.

    So it makes my jaw drop when instead of helping to defend or lift up those with less income, less education, less information, less reason for hope of involvement people who claim to be Democrats or Progressives instead demean and diminish those same people. Several here have all but said (not just in this thread, but over recent weeks) Clinton’s support should be discounted because they are uneducated, ignorant and low class. Do you think everyone in Appalachia chooses to stay poor and uneducated? Do you think they all are just swimming in other options which they reject? More crassly, do you really think Obama can win solely with limosine liberals?

    Yes, it is frustrating when people vote against their economic self-interest. But if the Dems write all such people off as beneath us or contemptible or irredeemable, what kind of Dems are we really, and how are we that different than the Republicans?

    As a strictly pragmatic matter, I would also add that sensing that attitude in their hometowns may be way less than half of Clinton supporters in WV said they could vote Obama in the general.

  • It would do us all a world of good, and advance our cause, if we reminded ourselves that access to a broad spectrum of media is very limited in most ‘red’ regions. In the past these regions were the source of the strength of the populist movement, because organizers got the word out to them. The Democratic Party reversed this by targeting strategic states with a goal of ‘winning’. While this was good in the short term it has proved disastrous over the past 20 years.

    Bill Clinton was good at speaking to ‘bubba’ because he didn’t talk down. He understood the populist history of these regions. Salt of the Earth is a term of nobility. (although I don’t believe the Clintons are connected to ‘ordinary Americans’ any more) At least Clinton didn’t call them “stupid” or “idiots”.

    We should look in the mirror more often, especially before speaking in anger at behavior that seems to reflect ignorance.

    There are ways to reach these voters. It takes training, skill, and luck to get through.

    Obama needs to connect to people where they are suffering the most at the hands of business as usual, not just to the people who are open to his message. He’s been connecting to and persuading more and more of the white, less educated voters every day he campaigns. That’s not been reported by the MSM. They parrot the ‘White poor’ vs. ‘Rich elite’ meme that is meaningless in the general election.

    A long term approach, combined with another long term project – the 50 state strategy – will pay off, even if it’s a cliff hanger this election.

  • Those of you saying that West Virginia is a lost cause…

    If you check out their electoral history, the Republic party has never done very well there. It is only very recently that they’ve made any headway, and that only because of the propaganda mill they’ve been running for the past 30 years.

    The fact of the matter is, WV has always been a solidly labor-union state. They’ve been quite loyal to the Democrats for a very long time. And Obama has been doing a good job over the past year of breaking through the fog the Republic party tries to cast over the truth.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama wins WV in the general. Particularly after the working class folks there get a good look at just what John McCain thinks of them. I’m not saying it is a done deal, but the chances aren’t as remote as you folks seem to think.

  • Several here have all but said (not just in this thread, but over recent weeks) Clinton’s support should be discounted because they are uneducated, ignorant and low class. Do you think everyone in Appalachia chooses to stay poor and uneducated? Do you think they all are just swimming in other options which they reject? More crassly, do you really think Obama can win solely with limosine liberals?

    No. But I am amused at the term “limousine liberals” and its straight-out-of-the-1980s feel.

    And while I can understand your frustration with the posts that really do mock the uneducated and the ignorant, I remind you that not every post mentioning that Clinton does overwhelmingly better with less educated voters or that certain voting patterns exist in Appalachia is actually derogating the people it’s describing.

  • In terms of exit polls, ABC News noted, “Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote, second only to Mississippi.”

    Dumbass southern morons, putting the “sap” into “Homo Sapiens” – 200 years of poor southern whites voting against their own self-interest – who says there’s no tradition left in America???

  • #11: But his Reverend Wright friend acted in a Niggardly way.

    Definition: 1. reluctant to give or spend; stingy; miserly. 2. meanly or ungenerously small or scanty.

    Conclusion: I think you used it the wrong way. Which makes me wonder why you used it at all.

  • While she deserves credit for the win, she is clearly still just an delusional as she was after NC and IN last week. Her campaign is in full frenzy tonight like this is some sort of revelation win for her.

    All the while, Obama is out there building up his general election support, just as he should be.

    Cory
    http://www.politivine.com

  • Mark Pencil @ #31, your point is well-taken . . . but saying that we probably won’t win W.Va. this fall does not mean that we are relying solely on “limousine liberals” to win the election, nor does it mean that we are disregarding the concerns of those in Appalachia. I’m pretty confident that the Obama campaign will fight hard everywhere, and, once elected (G-d willing,) will turn this economy around, such that the people of Appalachia, and of all regions of the country, will begin to have the very opportunities you mention– better education and jobs. My comments upthread were about electoral realities, not a directive to write off any voters.

    Somehow, I don’t think of denizens of the industrial midwest and the Rocky Mountain states as “limousine liberals.” Yet Obama has done very well with those people, and it will be they who turn this election. Nothing elitist in that equation!

  • Politvine @ #39, I don’t think Hillary was delusional tonight. She sounded much more conciliatory than she has recently. I think she’s just trying to end on a high note, while simultaneously trying to raise enough money to pay off her campaign debt. I say, it’s time we lay off the Hillary-hate; pretty soon, she’ll have to concede, and our party will have to re-unite.

    After being run through the wringer of the Clinton machine, the fact that Obama is still standing says a lot about his candidacy. Assuming nobody from the Clinton camp does anything divisive and outlandish within the next few weeks, I actually think we Obama supporters owe Hillary a thank-you; had Obama walked to the nomination easily, we’d all be hearing about the Reverend Wright crap in October instead of April, and it could turn the election. Hillary’s bruising campaign has helped to vet Obama and strengthen him for the general election.

  • Disappointed.

    I was in her camp until she reminded me that she’s in the same-old same-old camp when it comes to foreign policy.

    Like most foreign progressives I suspect, I’m desperate to see a different America on the world stage. Tired of the macho chest beating and threats to wipe out civilian populations, hoping for a little more nuance in the mid east.

    For the global left, a battle between the two establishment figures is close to meaningless, unless she’s just bluffing.

  • I remind you that not every post mentioning that Clinton does overwhelmingly better with less educated voters or that certain voting patterns exist in Appalachia is actually derogating the people it’s describing.

    Obviously true. Although I think there are three categories, not just two. There are the explicity negative (which Tom Cleaver gave me right on cue); there are the non-derogatory analysis of objective facts (like you suggest). For me the more troubling ones are the middle ground – the more subtle ones that never say anything negative about poorly educated whites, but discount Clinton’s support because they are “less educated” — as if perhaps we each get an allocation of votes equal to our years of schooling or our percentile rank on a standardized test (works for me; I have a graduate degree). It is a not so subtle jab at both Clinton supporters (if you were smart enough, you’d see the wisdom of Obama) and at the class of low-educated whites (we don’t really count you, take you seriously, or value you).

    i’ll confess i am not immune to this. i used to press for some of the unions here to have a lesser role and for young professionals to get a bigger role because i felt labor – while able to screen out candidates in primaries – failed to get the job done in generals, and i’m sure i lapsed into some of the elitist-speak i am now complaining about. but it is nonetheless a little eye-opening to read it. i think it generally muddies what the party stands for, and i would like to think it is less a reflection of how progressives really feel than an unfortunate symptom of frustration with a nomination process that seems to be taking too long to conclude.

  • Quick question: Has anyone else noticed that right after Indiana and North Carolina, Clinton stopped talking about the gas tax holiday? I wonder if this had any effect; in the sense that Clinton didn’t provide Obama any fodder to hit her with. I do wish Obama had hit West Virginia harder though. I think he could have swung a lot of voters as he’s done in other states.

  • Mark Pencil – you either miss the point or are just a shillary troll. Let me see if I can make this more clear.

    The most important people in America are not the poor, uneducated white folks – it is not all about them. It they choose to vote against their best interest (i.e. the “Wal-Mart” candidate), that is their choice. That is their right.

    The rest of America overwhelmingly wants to see change – Obama will do more to help uneducated poor whites that shillary (the “Wal-Mart” candidate).

    I support those people and want to see an America with justice for all – that won’t happen if we focus all our attention to the crowd that shillary panders too. They will either vote for Obama in the fall or Obama will win without them if the election isn’t stolen.

    He will still work for them regardless of whether or not they are smart enough to recognize the candidate that actually has a working-class background.

  • D Pecan – are you a moron?

    Even though shillary has more than 7 years to generate support, Obama came out of nowhere and is kickin’ her ass because most dems and independents do see that he represents ordinary folks more than shillary – her “win” in OH was largely due to rush limpballs’ “operation chaos”.

    This isn’t all about “bubba” – there are many Americans that seek change – the vast majority of America. You are just making a big deal out of the poor uneducated white voters and they are not a large enough voting block to swing this to shillary.

    They are not a large enough voting block to swing an honest general election in the fall either. It is time some people wake up and realize that those that sit on the board of directors for walmart are not folks that support “bubba” and working class families.

  • whew. since little bear knows exactly what is in the best interest of poor white folk, we don’t even need to give them a vote and they’ll be well taken care of. thats a relief. i can go sleep easy now.

    libra, you wanna toy with your buddy little brain for a while? this seems a great set up for you. . . 🙂

  • mark – you’re a concern troll and don’t have a clue

    I will type this slower this time – maybe you will get it.

    EVERY AMERICAN GETS ONE VOTE You see – its the basis of democracy – one person = one vote.

    For some reason, the shillary concern trolls want to proclaim that somehow poor uneducated white voters in WV, PA, or OH should somehow be taken more seriously than every else that casts a vote for a democratic candidate.

    The very assumption that somehow the ignorant white vote needs to taken more seriously than EVERYONE ELSE that is overwhelmingly supporting Obama over a former member of Walmart’s board of directors is racist – folks like you and shillary are running the most racist campaign since george wallace.

    Shillary would have been out of the race a long time ago without rush limpballs urging people to vote.

    Got it? 1 person = 1 vote and proclaiming that somehow the most uneducated white votes mean more than anyone else’s is pure racism.

  • ooh, you win. your use of bold type, repeated tropes and silly names just overwhelmed me!

    or, it might have if i hadn’t been stomping little twits like you long before you even knew this site existed.

    we were having a nice discussion here at the adult table before you had your fit, so why dont you run along back to the kiddie table where you came from. you bore me.

    no more attention for you. rant on all night if you like. but before you waste too much bandwidth, i just leave you with a merciful reminder that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

  • Most people here say your points are the foolish ones – but pretend whatever you like. In the end, reasonable people know that shillary has no working class credentials, has done nothing but enable dur chimpfurher for 7 years, and is getting her but kicked (even though she had a HUGE head start) by a newcomer on the block.

    You have nothing to add to this dialog except the racist assumption that somehow we should pay more attention to a few ignorant white votes. Most everyone here can see that clearly.

  • mark – read the entire thread if you don’t believe me. Oh yeah – your a concern troll, that is why you are here.

  • Little, you don’t have a clue what a “concern troll” is. A “concern troll” is someone who says, “Don’t be mean, you vicious people!” Mark isn’t instructing you to stop with your bratty behavior. He is just pointing out that you are wrong (and an abrasive asshole).

    And guess what? He’s right.

  • My wife and I were born in West Virginia, this morning we got up and raced to the polls, and voted for Barrack Obama. I was so excited to see the turnout, and I was happy to throw my support in for Mr. Obama even though he practically ignored my state. I knew a lot of people here would not vote for him. But I was hoping we could at least keep a landslide from happening, maybe show the Clintonites that it was time to step aside and let the show between McCain and Obama begin.

    I have been on so many news websites tonight, and I am disheartened to learn that really nothing has changed. The minute this state voted for Hillary, Obama supporters have flooded chat rooms, and comment boards just trashing us. So let me see, a few people saying your vote was influenced by race is terrible, but spewing hate calling people stupid, and lumping us all together as the cast from Deliverance is ok? I thought this campaign was about breaking down there kind of stereotypes, and really making a difference?

  • […] isn’t it weird that Virginia is now a more liberal state than West Virginia? — The Caped Composer, @8

    If, by “more liberal” you mean “less racist”, then I ‘ll remind you that Virginia had elected a black Governor *looong* before the evah-so-liberal Massachusetts did, and to much less fanfare. My adopted state is full of surprises and many of them are quite delightful.
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    Mark Pencil, @49,

    I think I’ll decline; I may not be able to express myself in English as well as I would wish to, but I do understand the language well enough. And I have very little patience with peacocks (whose motto is “stupid and proud of it”) ie the willfully ignorant. *All* parts — including the so-called “brain” — of that particular furry toy animal are repugnant and I don’t want to play with any of them. That’s why I learnt to scroll past all of its postings.
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    I’m happy for Clinton to be going out on a victorious note *and* I’m more than happy to see that she got there with but one clumsy anti-Obama punch (the hard working whites); it seems as if the math has finally penetrated through her self-defensive barrier. Next week won’t be quite as unequivocal, since Kentucky will be nullified by Oregon. And there’s also the question of whether Kentucky will be quite as much of a blow-out for her as WVA had been today. It seems that *every* news source tonight (I just finished reading NYT’s recap) is leading with words like “white” and “race”, bringing up into the full sunlight the problem which had, so far, been only skirted around. Perhaps, after tonight, some Kentuckians will be embarrassed enough to come to their senses 🙂

    But the sweetest — because much less expected — news for tonight are the results of Mississippi 01 race. Not only did the Dems take that red-meat (R+10) district, they whipped ass! With 99% reporting, the results are 54% to 46%. That’s not a small difference…

  • Hillary Clinton is a symbol of division. She divides America into different classes. She divides America into different races. Eventually she would conquer us all.

    Let us vote for someone who will truly unite us. And lead us to a better future!

    Let us vote for a better America!

  • #55 You’re right, Stephen. People need to pay better attention to what Barack Obama is saying. Unfortunately human nature isn’t always pretty.

    I’m glad that you and your wife enthusiastically supported Obama. You helped him gain more delegates toward the nomination!

  • I knew a lot of people here would not vote for him. But I was hoping we could at least keep a landslide from happening […] — Stephen, @55

    Every little bit helps… In more ways than one; you helped to reduce the landslide and, with luck, you helped to defend your state’s honour.

    As far as my own experience of people from WVA goes, I seem to know only the extremes 🙂 On the one hand, there’s the professor of philosophy at our U, who’s one of the smartest people I’ve ever met and whose wife and 3 sons match him in that respect. On the other hand there’s the woman who shares my hobby (lacemaking) and she, her husband and her children and stepchildren are enough to give me second thoughts about the future of humanity. It’s not that they’re bad or stupid people in any way but life’s opportunities seem to have passed them by and, as the result, their “beacon” is a two-pronged fork of Jesus on the one hand, and the hate of *everything* that even vaguely smacks of “other” (gooks, kikes, coons and islamofascists) on the other hand.

    I’m sure there are people who are in between those two categories, but I haven’t met them. And, fight the stereotypes as you might, WVA does have more of those second sort folk than of PhDs…

  • Stephen @ 55: I have been on so many news websites tonight, and I am disheartened to learn that really nothing has changed. The minute this state voted for Hillary, Obama supporters have flooded chat rooms, and comment boards just trashing us.

    I take comfort in the notion that most Americans do not spend their free time commenting on political blogs. This form of communication frequently brings out the worse in people. Non-political comment boards can get just as nasty.

  • Some time ago I came up with Prup’s Law (actually, Prup’s first law, but no need to mention the other ones now). It goes
    “Whatever position you take on any political, religious, sexual, or social dispute, you will have some idiots agreeing with you.”
    Thank you, little bear, for giving yet another demonstration of this.

  • Can’t help thinking what real issues people are really worried about other than race, color of the skin, educated versus uneducated. Hardly any comments on worries affecting our life like food, oil, housing, next paycheck; things close to our life. And who is BEST to lead us through these difficult days. America is CANNOT living in isolation. There is a whole different world outside which we interact, the likes of extremist, communist, terrorist. America may not be solving everybody’s problem but the next President better have the experience and determination to bring about good living standard and to handle whatever situations posing a threat both internally and externally. No one in the right sense of mind wants a rookie to protect the couintry’s interests which must include ALL Americans regardless. So vote with the head. I believe high intelligence doesn’t rest with the highly educated only. So decide rationally weighing all pros and cons. As human one is never and will never be perfect. If a leader can see the errors and put forward plans to CHANGE course American can live to see better days. It’s concrete plans, NOT ideas, hope or mere uttering CHANGE!!! Actions Not rhetorics. So be constructive NOT destructive comments.

  • I would have felt more encouraged by Hillary’s speech tonight, if within 2 minutes of her victory speech she mentioned money and her website. This I felt was very telling. She could have place that at the end of her speech. It just soured me. I am an Obama supporter, but how a long time gave Hillary a good long look at. It was really only during Ohio and Texas primaries, when she had the gall to state the even McCain would bring more to the table than Obama, who just gave a nice speech, that sent me off in a whirl. When she misspoke (I want to give her the benefit of the doubt.) Obama having trouble with hard working white Americans, it really bothered me. Hillary doesn’t usually make those kind of remarks. I would have been even more impressed, if she herself had come out and made clear that is not what she meant. And to say that in West Virginia of all places,made it even worse. I am 56 years old and for as long as I remember, West Virginia was always referred to a rather back word state, justified or not. I am sure there are a great number of people West Virgina who break the unfortunate stereo type West Virgina has endured for years. However, a large number of W. Va. were will to admit that race was important to them voted overwhelmingly for Clinton.
    Barack needs to shore up those voters and I am sure when they get to know them, many will change their minds.

  • #5. TR: “And we’ll survive without its whopping five electoral votes, I suspect.”

    Funny, but that’s pretty much what Donna Brazile told Al Gore in 2000. He proceeded to lose the general election by four electoral votes.

  • Stephen [55],

    I’m with you. Caustic generalizations [like this one!] are the tools of Republicans, cowards and imbeciles. Saying all West Virginians are “stupid” or “racist” in one broad sweep sounds more like Rush Limbaugh than Barack Obama. Race and education may be key factors in WV. But as liberals, isn’t our whole point that we accept the vote, learn from the numbers and the polls, and move forward on an agenda that is inclusive and progressive for, you know, everybody?

    After all, Republicans are the real uneducated, racist shithooks. Let’s not lose sight of that basic fact.

  • 58. “People need to pay better attention to what Barack Obama is saying.”

    Well, I for one have been doing just that. And somehow, “Cotton candy for everybody!” doesn’t quite do it for me.

  • I find it truly despicable that the media has spun the exit poll analyses to say that 38% of HRC supporters wouldn’t vote for Obama.

    A more important statistic – and perhaps the ONLY important statistic if you want to get right down to it is that 51% – yes, that’s right 51% of WEST VIRGINIANS said they would vote OBAMA, 29% said McCain, and 18% said they’d stay home – I imagine the other 2% floating in na-na-land said Edwards or something of the kind. They didn’t account for them in the totals so I really don’t know for certain.

    In addition, they also forgot to mention in her “crushing” victory over Obama was largely due to the 78% of her voters that said their decision was based on Bill Clinton campaigning – Only 16% of her voters said he didn’t figure into the equation. Draw your own conclusions- I’m just giving you the stats.

    A lot of people/voters rely solely on the media for their information – many don’t have the internet access or have a computer or whatever and TV, radio, etc is the only way they have of getting information on what is going on with an election and the negative division-concentrated media coverage is going to not only discourage voters from bothering to go to the polls, but it is going to further an imaginary divide that is being sensationalized.

    I understand that there are slow news days and media needs to fill them with something – but what happened to ethical, responsible journalism?

  • My overseas vote went to Senator Obama. It is a scary thought that these ignorant folks can’t get past skin color, and see that we have chance to really make a difference. For Hillary I don’t think it’s a wise idea to brag about being chosen from this state. Luckily in Oregon she’ll get the same treatment and it won’t be about color or gender, but her dishonesty and dodgy dealings.What is up with that God awful fake smile?!

    All my relatives live in Charleston and Elkins so I wonder if I’ll be invited for Christmas dinner?

    Go Obama!

  • Great news last night?:

    Travis Childers won MS-01 special election, soundly beating repug by 8 points even though the Republicans tried to demonize Childers by tying him to Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi.

    In Nebraska, netroots favorite champion Scott Kleeb crushed all in the primary contest for Chuck Hagel’s vacated Senate seat. Sen. Ben Nelson was supported by his big business buddy Tony Raimondo to be the candidate, despite the fact that he was a Republican until the day he announced he was a candidate and that the Democrats in the Senate blocked his appointment by Bush to be the manufacturing czar because he closed plants in Nebraska and moved jobs to China. Sounds like a shillary-style candidate, doesn’t he.

    WOOOOHOOOOOOO!

    Course, the concern trolls won’t be happy – like mark want to make us believe that only uneducated white voters are worth listening too – a blatantly racist proposition

  • Funny, but that’s pretty much what Donna Brazile told Al Gore in 2000. He proceeded to lose the general election by four electoral votes.

    If only he had managed to win his HOME STATE it would have been moot.

    Gore’s loss says a lot about what the country thought of the Clintons by the time they left office. Their sitting VP got beaten by a moron.

  • libra has such wit… and now proclaims to be a God of writing and literature. Just too rich…

    I may not proofread my posts, but I am smart enough to know that Obama can win without a small number of uneducated white voters that consistently vote against their best interests anyhow

  • Erik in Maine – 2000 was stolen and Gore DID WIN that election

    With hindsite – having joe LIE-berman on the ticket was a BIG mistake. The way he sticks his tongue down chimpy’s throat and is all kissy kissy with dur chimpfurher, one has to wonder just what role he played in the stolen election too.

    But Gore actually won, even though he lost his home state. Just goes to show you CAN win national elections with the uneducated white vote.

  • . On May 13th, 2008 at 10:17 pm, abiodun said:
    Megalomania:
    I will try to be nice. What a load ot tripe! In one long diatribe, you managed to totally expose yourself. The Rezko case has been going on for 6 months and it seems Rove might have a problem, not Obama. You don’t have to vote for Obama, but don’t think you will convince any high-information voter here with that kind of garbage.
    On a more serious note, I am more interested in MS-01 tonight.

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    It is not my personal goal to be a terrific writer at this time in my life. I am just a regular Joe six pack. Here, having a chance to make a comment. No one has to tell me I have deficiencies, you bet I have them. Sometimes feeling anger in my personal thoughts about what is happening in the country I live in. Having volunteered to serve in Vietnam has given me a special perspective how this country is going with all the talk about war. Just like everyone else here, I try to throw in an ideal or two. My thoughts and writing are not perfect, but usually run my stuff through Microsoft word, so we can blame a lot on Bill Gates for my short fall. Isn’t that funny? Not, I know I am responsible for what I say. Usually I try to make an effort to clean up my act when guys come back at me like you. But, I know I hit some ones hot button. And sometime I push the envelope. This leads me to the Reverend Wright thing, and Rezko to defend my self.

    Like I said, Reverend Wright could have simply apologized. Well he did not. That was my point to under score, that very ideal, which was illustrated by Reverend Wright acting animated, harsh and insulting repeatedly. Look at this man closely and consider the credentials he has compared to many others or mine. In depth education in religious theory, impressive years of experience of application. And what do we see, very little reverence in a man of reverence. Actually very shocking grammar on his part, but for practical purposes he put his point across where, for me some of it was true. But very corrosive and divisive comparing what Wright said to what Obama’s basic ideal of Unity is.

    The Rezko thing is sort of elusive the way I explained my self the first time. Here, we have a lawyer, Obama, Harvard graduate, in community service, operating under government projects, funded by the public, with obligation ever so slight to the public to do the best he can. Here, Obama crows about this, always talking about turning a page in history. Well, is that for everyone or just for himself.

    Obviously, not for the community, for if one who is seeped in such corruption, surrounded by misdeeds that are on trial now, why, is Obama, not being part of it, this is curious to me, perhaps not to you. Or, this part of history is so ugly, so near to him, damaging fraud, in the middle of his community, yet shelves it, not participate in it. Take the stand; try to correct it, show America what is going wrong here. Obama does not do that, yet campaigns about being a person of good Judgement, with leadership, and vision, well, for me it is not happening. Here, I offer that simple glaring example of what to expect from Barack Hussein Obama. It is a frightful trail of corruption, and fraud that will likely trail him where ever he goes dismissing it, brushing it off. A simple and easy political action deficiency he has which is not what is not good in a presidential candidate. If I can see that and if more agree with me its better to advise people about Obama now before any more damage is done to America because we all know it is really screwed up now. Why make it worse.

  • In reality the Florida election in 2000 was within the margin of error of the election mechanism and we don’t know who won that election and never will. All the recounts in the world would not have helped.

  • #5. TR: “And we’ll survive without its whopping five electoral votes, I suspect.”

    Funny, but that’s pretty much what Donna Brazile told Al Gore in 2000. He proceeded to lose the general election by four electoral votes.

    Because Al Gore had nowhere else to replace those five EVs. As I said immediately after that line:

    Clinton keeps hyping the fact that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia. If Obama can steal Va., NC, or Colorado — just one of those — he’ll double or triple its value. Let it go.

    West Virginia is being held up as some sort of irreplaceable swing state by the Clinton campaign. It’s not. Not even close.

  • #45 – Hillary didn’t stop talking about the gax tax in WV – polls said 74% of her voters said the gas tax holiday was a wonderful thing…….she did get much less forceful about her position on it though – that’s for sure.

    I noticed in that first speech she gave in WV (the one Chelsea was supposed to give) – she kind of trailed off from her normal “tone” and volumn when she got to it…..she lived in neverland all through the Indiana and NC primaries and fed off of it but I think the reckless to-hell-with-the-economists, I’m-right-and-everyone-else-is-wrong attitude got to be too much.

    Oh, I did want to mention one point – for those Obama supporters that say the vote tonight was about race and all that, 77% of the people today said race didn’t matter – 51% of WV said they’d vote for obama when matched up with McCain – and although Hillary took 67% of the vote – it was largely due to people who bought into the tax holiday pandering and the other major factor was Bill Clinton. These people really are true democrats – they are just part of a demographic that naturally went to the name they know.

    I find it amusing that the people of this state could even be considered racists when less than 4% of the population is African American – ITS KINDA HARD TO BE RACIST WHEN THERE AINT NO AFRICAN AMERICAN AMERICANS AROUND TO BE RACIST AGAINST. Sorry if I offended anyone but I thought this was worth pointing out. I’m not saying that none of them are racist – but I certainly can’t swallow the idea that they all are – they have no one to practice it on!

    Either way – it appears that even with HRC’s win, Obama could still take the state in the GE – which is all that matters – but continuing to berate them as racists and all that ISN’T going to help Obama in the GE.

    I’m not a concern troll – or I’m not trying to be – just wanted to say my peace….sorry! =)

  • I stopped watching the network coverage after Indiana and wait for the news online. If West Virginia is indicative of who will elect our next president then this country is in big big trouble. We have had an ignorant, white, redneck running the country for the past 7 years and look how ell he’s done. The fact that Clinton has the backing of poor, uneducated, biggoted whites is not something to be proud of in my book. It just proves America will vote in a white over a black and we really haven’t progressed all that far. Reminds me a lot of South Africa coming out of apartheid.

  • Hmmm, little bear, so far in this thread alone it appears to be you against D Pecan, you against Mark, you against libra, you against Erik (and i know Mark and libra have been around a while and are well accepted regulars, not trolls of any kind). And I really haven’t seen anyone back you up.

    So the common denominator would suggest maybe the problem is. . . you?
    What are the odds everyone else is wrong and only you are right to be repetitive and disruptive of what usually is a good blog?

    If you think you’ve beat the odds on that one, maybe you also post under the name “Meglomania.”

    Seriously, there are a lot of blogs for screeching and yelling and bluster and name calling. This is not one of them. Please take a constructive, thoughtful approach or find a blog more suitable. I like this one too much; I hate to see the chemistry screwed up.

  • It always amazes me that political correctness overrides acknowledging the elephant in the middle of the room. Indiana and West Virginia share a common nexus — racism. Historically, in Indiana there was a time when open membership in the Klan would actually help a political career. Looking at the states in which Hillary has posted victory, there is a significant relationship to the states that had long standing presence by the Klan. I am not saying that the Klan is alive or dead, perhaps it is that the Klan’s historic viewpoint and those of the demographic that favors Hillary share a common set of values. What I am saying is that, “America, your sheet is showing.” Racism is alive and well and will be an aspect of this race. In many cases, votes for Hillary are votes against a black man, not votes for Hillary. Oh, and if the race should be some miracle end up being Clinton vs. McCain, Hillary will get to experience similar frustration. I would love to see her take a stand and tell her “supporters” that favor her over Obama simply due to race, to go back to the linen closet and stay there — at that point I would have to re-evaluate who I would support. Intregity is what I want in a President — race and gender matter not.

  • I am a first-timer here, and have certainly enjoyed most of the comments.

    One observation.

    What should Obama have done, given he was going to lose WV big no matter what? Spend a lot of time there so they can say, “look at that, he really invested heavily and really lost big?”

    He did what any adviser would tell any candidate under those circumstances. He is out to win the nomination and ease her out, so why not give her her moment, when it really doesn’t matter? Play it down at this time. That doesn’t mean he will not be back to try to win those voters over in the fall. Would they rather have 4 more years of GWBush?

  • Look, take race and sex out of the race. I’m a Gen-X, white middle class male, who served in the military for 10 years, has 5 children, and live in Minneapolis. I’m also a republican who will vote for Obama in the fall and would not vote for Clinton if it came down to that. There are a lot of types, Gen-X Republicans who will vote for Obama come November to change up D.C. But won’t vote for Hilary because no matter what she says nothing will change in D.C. If all these blue collar workers realized it was her husband that started the ball rolling with all of our jobs going overseas, they probably wouldn’t even show up to vote. My company was one of the first company’s to start offshoring work to countries like India and the Philippines. Many others have followed our lead. This all started when Bill Clinton was President. Who I voted for. The Clinton’s had 8 years in office. It’s time for a new face and new ideas.

  • All you Obama fans! Some 90% blacks voted for Obama everywhere and this is not racist, hah?

    Uh, no. No, it’s not.

    Hillary won more women. Does that make her sexist?

  • Of course Clinton won WVA. She has been there pandering on the greatest weakness in America–racism. You have a group of people who won’t vote for Obama just because he is black and Clinton is pinning her hopes on this ugly prejudice. I hope this race is over very soon. I really think people should be questioning the reasons why Hillary wants to be President–come on who lends their campaign $11 million dollars then says she is for the blue collar, working class people. If that were true she should have ‘lent’ them the money to help them out. She wants to be President because she feels she is entitled. It is just a shame that the people in WVA, Ohio, and Pennsylvania can’t see through their own prejudice to see Hillary is only for herself.

  • What should Obama have done, given he was going to lose WV big no matter what? Spend a lot of time there so they can say, “look at that, he really invested heavily and really lost big?”

    He did what any adviser would tell any candidate under those circumstances. He is out to win the nomination and ease her out, so why not give her her moment, when it really doesn’t matter?

    We can safely assume that the Clinton dead-enders would have criticized him heavily whether he spent a lot of time in WV or not. As it is, it’s preferable to have them talking about his “arrogance” in preparing for the last primaries as well as states that will be especially important in the general election–the election in which we’re now engaged with or without all Clinton supporters’ approval.

  • Cute guys…

    West Virginians are racists, West Virginians are dumb, West Virginia does not count. What a bunch of elitist biggots you all are. If this is what Obama supporters are like then I’m voting for McCain, Scooby Doo, Ron Paul or anyone else on the ballot this November.

  • Thank God–I live in Virginia.

    How’s it feel WV to be the lowest in about every category from education to income?

    As a Obama supporter, I look at this as a LOL.

  • Hey Megalomania,

    What’s with the “Barack Hussein Obama” business? I assume that you’re usually not in the habit of referring to everyone by their full names as you referred to John Forbes Kerry as “Kerry” or Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright as “Reverend Wright”. Why are you taking special pains in Obama’s case as we’re sure not going to confuse him with some other Obama?

    Just curious.

  • I am an African American. Two years ago, my daughter went to WV Tech and was treating so badly because she is black. She decided to go to that school because she believed she could make a difference and bring those backwards racist people upto date with the modern world, but no such luck. While I was in WVa visting her, I went the store and the whites in the store all cornered me, burnt me with a lighted cigarette and told me to get out of WVa. WV ais extremely racist, low life and the people there are living in the cave man century. There is no hope for them and if Mrs. Hillary Dillary Dock thinks winning WVa is going to be a change game for her, she’s just as uneducated as them and I DON’T want any one so selfish and self-centered as that woman to be my President and as I travel around the world, so many other people in other Countries said they do not want her as President and they really are hoping and praying that Obama wins because everyone including myself believe he can honesty bring this country back together. Hillary is only in this race for her own selfish self and really have no interest in you as a person and certainly has not interest in our Country.

  • Exit polling showed half of Hillary’s supporters think she’s run a nasty, unfair campaign, but they voted for her anyway because of their attachment to Bill and her. Guess that’s why them call them HILLBILLies.

  • The exit pool questions should have been:

    1. can you read?
    2. do you have a television?
    3. do you know what the internet is?

    Look, W Va is a hole, politically socially, economically–uninformed and clearly not the class of voters that fall in the desired bracket. The voters are easily led and uneducated perfect for the picking by Clinton. This electorate is not the future of America. Clinton actually made saving $70 during the summer sound like a windfall. Problem is the WVa folk need to check the price on that box of cereal and loaf of bread. They are not engaged in the political process. The media scared them to vote white–they did and its is a shame. So what this means is this–get an education, learn something, read something and make educated opinions. W Va is Arkansas east. Clinton was at home scaring the farmers to vote for her.

  • It is sad that the country is still divided, Race is never an issue if everyone is the same race. Every primary except the 2000 primaries all of the candidates were Caucasian males. when Walter Mondale & Geraldine Ferraro ran there wasn’t a big deal, Why both candidates were Caucasian. No problem there even for WV and Kentucky. People talk about change but that is only if it does not include Race.Why most the us President be only Caucasian when did that become the qualification?

    I recently read an article by Dr.Robert Jensen who is a Professor at the University of Texas. his article The reality of race: Is the problem that white people don’t know or don’t care was very interesting I think a lot of people would be surprised. Here is his website http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/index.html. We need to start educating ourselves on the politicians and not just vote because they are white, black, brown,yellow or red- male or female. Democrat or Republican.

  • I must agree with Rick from Bowie. WV is not an issue and is pretty meaningless. The spin doctors are trying to imply a primary like an election. I think if it came down to Mickey Mouse and McCain Mickey would win by a landslide. The Republican war machine, scare machine is like a broken record as if there are still WMD in Iraq. Our country is broke and its because we are wasting billions as well as young lives. I’m sick of Iraq. We have been in Iraq since the 90’s with Bush Senior, Clintons no fly zone era and now Bush junior. We are nearing 20 years and nothing has changed except the price of gas, food, federal deficit.

    I’m sick of the Bush Lies, media who backed him. Bush was not misled he misled us or does everyone forget how he shutup Joe Wilson.

  • The common sense of West Virginia shows that they know Obama isn’t qualified to lead our country. He cannot win if he can’t carry the swing states.

  • For those of you that say West Virginia doesn’t matter that is just licking your wounds. All the states matter and you will find that out in November!

  • When did it become a qualification that if you don’t vote for the black man you MUST be a racist? What about 92% of blacks voting for the black man? RACIST???

  • And, BARACK OBAMA has won the following States with over a 60% margin:

    Virgin Islands 89.9%
    Idaho 79%
    Hawaii 76%
    Alaska 75%
    District of Columbia 75%
    Kansas 74%
    Washington 68%
    Nebraska 67%
    Minnesota 67%
    Colorado 67%
    Georgia 67%
    Illinois 65%
    Virginia 64%
    Maryland 62%
    North Dakota 61%
    Wyoming 61%
    Mississippi 61%

    Many, many of the above States have significant white, working class blue collar workers & farmers in their demographics!

    This West Virginia ‘hullaballou’ is nothing but the usual SPIN from the Clinton Campaign!

  • I can give you plenty of reason not to vote for Obama…He is not qualified. Michelle Obama, Wright, Rezko, Auchi, Ayers. Larry Sinclair etc. All the lies and flip-flopping he has done. He criticized Hillary for her gas tax holiday and he voted for that proposal in Chicago in 2000. If you think Obama is your saviour just do some reading and find out more about him before it is too late.

  • I’m not sure why but the news media is trying to imply there is a race thing going on. Obama can not win with black votes only so he has also impressed many other races. I am a white middleclass 53 year old who beleives America is ready for a non white president.
    Despite what many say Wright is not an issue. I dont think he has said anything that isnt true. This country was founded on slavery, years of racial segragation but we have changed and changed for the good.
    As long as the elite can convince the masses to pit the poor against each other they can still controll the country with disinformation. I say we need change and what a change this will be and be to the world as they view this country.

  • They said this day would never come. . . . . eeh gads.

    Obamas plan to ruin America: (Communism)

  • Get a brain.

    The commie plans to keep you poor and Obama is their boy. He wants to regulate you and everybody else right out of bus.

  • The change we need is not Obama ebonomics.

    The change we need is to kick the dumb ass liberals out of congress and drill for oil and build refineries which hasn’t been done because liberal obstructionist bull shit. The Euros drill off their coast. . . and thats ok, the Euros have nuclear power plants and thats ok . . .

    Maybe they’ll raise taxes on the rich, na na na na. what a joke. The damn deficit racked up by the socialist idiots in congress can’t be balanced it has to be done with spending cuts.

  • Obama speeches are damn joke. He wants to tell you the truef . . . . whaba youba donba wanba hearba.

  • Some of you think that we’re uneducated and racist, but if you were watching the exit poll results on CNN last night, you would know that is was Sen. Clinton’s economic plans and experience that sold West Virginians. And if we’re talking about race, I just want to know why it is ok for Obama and Obama supporters to boast that he has 90% of the black vote, but Clinton can’t say that she’s courting the white vote? I’m a woman and I’m not voting for Hillary because we’re the same gender. That’s pointless. What does gender have to do with the ability to run my country? It’s the same with race. Unfortunately, we have to be politically correct and cannot address that. I have an African American friend who voted for Obama yesterday and when I asked him why his answer was deeply disturbing: Because he’s black. Come on! That’s just stupid! He couldn’t give me a sinlge thing that Obama has done for this country. And neither can any other Obama supporter that I have questioned. They feed me this line about “change.” Well, it means nothing if you can’t make it happen.

  • prup, my sincere apologies. little bear annoys people fast enough that it is hard for me to keep up. no slight intended.

  • Wow….I can’t beleive all that I’ve read. The negative and racist comments about the democratic candidates! I will pray for America!

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