‘What is left is the Cliffs Notes of the news’

Time for a quick quiz. Question #1: when Barack Obama campaigned in Altoona, Pa., a few weeks ago, what was his bowling score? And question #2: name one thing — anything — about Joe Biden’s healthcare plan.

Elizabeth Edwards makes the point today that, thanks to media coverage, we can all immediately answer the first, and struggle to answer the second.

For the last month, news media attention was focused on Pennsylvania and its Democratic primary. Given the gargantuan effort, what did we learn?

Well, the rancor of the campaign was covered. The amount of money spent was covered. But in Pennsylvania, as in the rest of the country this political season, the information about the candidates’ priorities, policies and principles — information that voters will need to choose the next president — too often did not make the cut. After having spent more than a year on the campaign trail with my husband, John Edwards, I’m not surprised.

Why? Here’s my guess: The vigorous press that was deemed an essential part of democracy at our country’s inception is now consigned to smaller venues, to the Internet and, in the mainstream media, to occasional articles. I am not suggesting that every journalist for a mainstream media outlet is neglecting his or her duties to the public. And I know that serious newspapers and magazines run analytical articles, and public television broadcasts longer, more probing segments.

But I am saying that every analysis that is shortened, every corner that is cut, moves us further away from the truth until what is left is the Cliffs Notes of the news, or what I call strobe-light journalism, in which the outlines are accurate enough but we cannot really see the whole picture.

Edwards also cited a report from the Project for Excellence in Journalism and the Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy, which found that in the early months of this year — when Iowa, New Hampshire, Super Tuesday states and others were voting — 63% of campaign coverage highlighted political strategy, and 15% focused on the candidates’ ideas and proposals.

It’s a multi-faceted problem.

One of my favorite all-time moments of political media coverage came about a year ago, when Al Gore appeared on “Good Morning America” to talk about his book, “Assault on Reason.” The book, which I loved, is principally about raising the level of debate in the country, and the ways in which the media is failing to even try to maintain an informed electorate.

ABC’s Diane Sawyer’s first question was, “You’re not going to tell me again that you have no plans to run, are you?” When Gore tried to explain that his book had nothing to do the campaign, Sawyer re-asked the question three more times, lowering the level of the discourse while interviewing an author whose book was about raising the level of the discourse.

She was basically using the book as a script. At one point, she asked Gore, “Again, not to come back to this and fall into your thesis that the press only wants the horserace of the political campaign, but one way–” at which point Gore interrupted, “But back to the horserace.” (Whenever the camera turned to Gore, the chyron read, in all caps, “Al Gore on the attack: Will he run for the White House?” Behind Gore and Sawyer, a giant screen showed a graphic: “The Race to ’08.”)

And that was 11 months ago. The media’s efforts have not improved in the interim.

In Edwards’ NYT piece, she added, “The problem today unfortunately is that voters who take their responsibility to be informed seriously enough to search out information about the candidates are finding it harder and harder to do so, particularly if they do not have access to the Internet.” I’m not entirely sure if that’s true. If people have Internet access, searching out detailed, substantive information has never been easier. If they don’t have access, a local library offers it for free.

The broader point, though, is that those who do want detailed, substantive information have to circumvent the very news outlets that are supposed to keep them informed. Those who take their responsibilities as a voter seriously have come to realize that watching CNN (or any of the networks) for a couple of hours a day won’t actually keep them informed in any meaningful way — though they’re bound to hear about Obama’s bowling, Clinton’s laugh, Edwards’ haircuts, etc.

Edwards’ take on the future is discouraging.

Indeed, we’ve heard that CBS may cut its news division, and media consolidation is leading to one-size-fits-all journalism. The state of political campaigning is no better: without a press to push them, candidates whose proposals are not workable avoid the tough questions. All of this leaves voters uncertain about what approach makes the most sense for them. Worse still, it gives us permission to ignore issues and concentrate on things that don’t matter. (Look, the press doesn’t even think there is a difference!)

I was lucky enough for a time to have a front-row seat in this campaign — to see all this, to get my information firsthand. But most Americans are not so lucky. As we move the contest to my home state, North Carolina, I want my neighbors to know as much as they possibly can about what these men and this woman would do as president.

If voters want a vibrant, vigorous press, apparently we will have to demand it. Not by screaming out our windows as in the movie “Network” but by talking calmly, repeatedly, constantly in the ears of those in whom we have entrusted this enormous responsibility. Do your job, so we can — as voters — do ours.

That sounds about right, except I have one nagging concern — if a news outlet decided to reshuffle its priorities, and mention Obama’s bowling score in passing while emphasizing serious policy discussions, I’m not at all sure Americans would watch.

The media is a business. CNN, MSNBC, and the like put on programming that will in turn boost ratings that will in turn make money. I can just imagine the promo: “Tonight, in a CNN special prime-time report, Chris Dodd’s cap-and-trade proposal. Who would it help? How much would it cost? We ask policy experts who’ll set the record straight. Tune in…” I have a hunch the local public access channel would have higher ratings.

So, what’s the answer? I have no idea, but the media’s reach is diminishing, the electorate isn’t any better informed, and the political process is focusing less and less on issues that matter.

She’s being grossly unfair to Cliff’s Notes, which can be quite useful and informative. If Cliff’s Notes were truly like our national media, looking for, say, the themes in Hamlet would yield page after page about doublets and codpieces.

  • I have met the enemy and it is us?

    CNN is talking heads all the time. Opinionated analysis for hours on end… I assume the advertising is paying for this. They could dedicate a percentage to analyzing the issues instead of the gaffes.

  • So, what’s the answer?

    I don’t know what the answer is, but the traditional media is a symptom of the problem. The problem is us. As a culture, we either lack or choose not to apply our critical thinking skills to be able to discern facts from fiction…material from immaterial…relevance from irrelevance.

    To give just one example, this morning Chris Wallace tried to make the point that white people don’t want to vote for Obama. Wallace attempts to support this false argument by providing statistics from a single primary instead of displaying the accumulated statistics from all states that have voted so far. It was an irrelevant question (If two-thirds of white Pennsylvanians voted against Obama, does that mean that all white people vote against him?) supported by cherry-picked data that should immediately demonstrate to anybody with any sense that this Fox News (among others) is a fraud. Yet millions tune in to watch corporate mouthpieces bullshit us day after day and week after week.

    Although it appears that more and more of us are beginning to realize what a sham the traditional media has become, overall the problem is still, for the most part, us.

  • CSPAN does well, and is serious. It is not counted by the ratings and is not a competitor to the networks. There is no proof a serious commercial news venture would not do well-it’s just a lot easier and safer to ape the competition. Les Mooves is the reason CBS News sucks, but he got a raise and poor, well, rich Katie Couric will get the axe.

  • What I loved about this is that Edwards’ piece ran alongside Maureen Dowd’s, which greatly added to the public understanding of this race with keen insights such as the following:

    Hillary grows more and more glowy as Obama grows more and more wan.

    Is she draining him of his precious bodily fluids? Leeching his magic? Siphoning off his aura?

    It used to be that he was incandescent and she was merely inveterate. Now she’s bristling with life force, and he looks like he wants to run away somewhere for three months by himself and smoke.

    Hillary is not getting much sleep or exercise, and doesn’t, like the ascetic Obama, abstain from junk food and coffee and get up at dawn to work out on the road. She’s still a long shot and she’s 14 years older than her rival.

    Yet she’s the one who is more energetic and focused and beaming, and he’s the one who seems uneven and gauzy, often fatigued and unable to disguise being fed up with the slog. Even his speeches don’t have the same pizazz.

    A man at a sports bar in Latrobe, Pa., advised Obama, “Get some sleep, Barack, you look like you’re tired, man.”

    When the candidate noted he’s been running for president for 15 months, the guy offered another tip: “You need a drink.”

    What might be nice is to have Edwards gracing the Times op-ed page twice a week, leaving MoDo much more time to watch Sex and the City re-runs.

  • I don’t disagree with Edwards’ or your general theses, but here’s a minor dissent:

    The candidates “priorities, policies” and to a lesser extent, “principles,” have all been covered in great detail by many of the cable news networks in the 3 months leading up to Pennsylvania. The primary season is egregiously long, but even if it were shorter, it is still a linear, real-time experience. The information out there doesn’t re-form itself and get re-presented to the viewer anew on the occasion of each succeeding contest. (Although the cables could certainly help their viewers with occasional half-hour policy primer updates on each candidate.)

    As mundane as it sounds, the cable networks do exist to, and are trying to, report NEWS. So when each candidate repeats the same stump speech (which CNN tends to air a lot of on Saturdays) ad nauseam, the networks I think are well within their rights to take note of it, but not report it again as if it were news. Because it usually isn’t. It was back in November and December, and was reported then as news. But soon the candidates stopped delineating or adding to their policies, and the horse race took over. During this time, the candidates and their surrogates did continually say new things every day, and that was the “news.” Not nearly as substantial or important as priorities and policies, but definite “news” nonetheless. And the speeches, debates, and voting in each successive state were serious news as well.

    But then it just dragged on and on, into the Pennsylvania interregnum. And here is where the cable networks’ biggest weakness is exposed. As 24-hr networks, they have to fill the time with something. And so what they do scrape to report as news is often the basest, most trivial sort of “news”: a poor turn of phrase, a questionable implication, a woeful bowling score, a newfound penchant for pounding boilermakers. (Of course, Obama and Clinton were desperately trying to make that “news”.)

    And in that neverending race to scour the bottom to raise a ratings Titanic, the networks’ focus and judgment have been so compromised as to create a huge blind spot when real news comes barreling down the pike at them. The cable and broadcast “news” of the last debate was Obama’s weak performance and ABC’s even weaker judgment. Clinton’s out-of-left-field Middle East nuclear shield? Hmmm, let’s look into that…. maybe do a 7-minute segment on Sunday. The media’s own self-constructed lens often prevents it from reporting the news properly and intelligently.

  • Liz is cool, my friend met her in 2004, talked for 15 mins while John worked the crowd. Talked him into meeting Jesse at the airport in 88, got a pic of his daughter on Jesse’s shoulders! That pic will be in the family for generations.

  • I have a hunch the local public access channel would have higher ratings.

    Like that’s a bad thing?

    Isn’t the internet the bigger, better version of cable access anyway?

  • The blame can be split between the American people and their taste for the tawdry and the news media pandering to that basest of instinct to garner more ratings/revenue.

  • There is no whale in Moby Dick. If there were a whale, he would be friendly, and welcome us. Quig Quig has confessed that the ship never sank and Ishmael’s experience as a whaler is in dispute. We have evidence that they shared a room together before their voyage, and Captain Ahab was out of the loop.

    Thousands of people have been saved.

  • That sounds about right, except I have one nagging concern — if a news outlet decided to reshuffle its priorities, and mention Obama’s bowling score in passing while emphasizing serious policy discussions, I’m not at all sure Americans would watch.

    Why are you so sure that not all Americans would watch? Television is not my area of study, it disgusts me, but the very vague recall I can muster from Neilson statistics is 20 million viewers a night. I can’t remember if that was the rough macro number or per network, so to be safe we’ll go per network.

    Around 60-70 million Americans watch the nightly news or CNN out of a population of approximately 335 million, or about a fifth. Not even close to half Americans ingest the filthy spew of TV, it’s likely why we made it this far.

    Anyway, I think that assumption that making news more serious, more data-filled, and 60 minutes instead of 30 would drive away viewers to be a potential mistake of vast, vast proportions.

    I don’t know, all right? But David Neiwert of Orcinus has deliberately made his blog complex, long and thought-provoking to great success. He himself has stated his surprise at the depth of it, and also the great generosity of his last fundraiser.

    When labor unions reach a critical mass of pay and benefits all of the rest of the labor market catches up, it has to to compete. I think the same sort of thing might happen if, say, CBS suddenly went to a gold standard 60 minute seriously-invested format that had a huge online component. All of a sudden everyone else would have to try and catch up to survive.

    We can only tell if we watch the model run. There is no other way, to automatically sell our people short is, almost, to cast their doom without ever giving them a fair chance.

    Sayonara, great one.

  • Who would you rather have taking on a whale, Ahab or Ishmael? Ahab, no question, right?

    Isn’t Ishmael elitist? He kind of looks down on the other sailors with his education, and he’s obviously well read. Can the other sailors relate to that?

    We’ve already started hunting the whale, so there’s no point in dwelling on it. Let’s ask Captain Ahab what he thinks is the best course now…

  • if a news outlet decided to reshuffle its priorities, and mention Obama’s bowling score in passing while emphasizing serious policy discussions, I’m not at all sure Americans would watch.

    We know because Sean Hannity told me. I don’t want to ask these questions. I only do it because voters are shallow and too cowardly to ask any non-policy related questions in townhalls, so I have to be the bad guy.

  • “if a news outlet decided to reshuffle its priorities, and mention Obama’s bowling score in passing while emphasizing serious policy discussions, I’m not at all sure Americans would watch.”

    Well I’m sure, and no, Americans wouldn’t watch programs concentrating on issues. These guys know what they’re doing – maximizing profits through high ratings, and they’ve got it down to a science as to what people will tune in to.

    People, being people, want to see entertainment programs about people. They’re not interested in things, issues, ideas, policies. They want to know what these politicians are up to, not what they stand for. Thus American Idol. Celebrity frolics. The horse race. Sports. Situation Comedies. Game shows. Even infomercials. And, of course, the number one attraction, anything to do with sex. But they’re not going to watch boring Nova programs on PBS.

    The news is no longer a public service on television. It’s a business. That means it has to make money. You can’t make money delivering the news. Nobody will watch it.

  • CNN, MSNBC, and the like put on programming that will in turn boost ratings that will in turn make money.

    I can only partially agree here. I think these channels act largely as an advertising wing of the greater corporation. Yes, they want more people to watch, just as Crest toothpaste or Buick does, but the ratings are secondary to the profits of GE, Disney, etc. I suspect that tax cuts, media rules, relaxed accounting rules, etc. are more important than the profits a larger audience would create. And that means they primarilly help Reps with only a small dose of Keith Olbermann to create the appearance of balance.

    One prediction though. Dan Abrams and Jack Cafferty will be tauting McCain by October.

  • One thing about Joe Biden’s health care plan: He opposed mandates.

    Actually Biden’s plan reminded me the most of John Kerry’s 2004 plan than any of the candidates including measures such as government reinsurance of catastrophic cases.

    Of course my being able to answer the question on Biden’s plan does not mean Steve was incorrect in the premise of the post. People who only followed the mainstream media and did not dig for the details of each candidate’s health care plan would not have been aware of these facts, but would know Barack Obama’s bowling score.

  • Superior minds speak of ideas
    Average minds speak of events
    Inferior minds speak of other people

  • I know McCain likes sprinkles, and Hillary likes a shot of whisky now and again. But what was Obama’s bowling score?

  • Buried in hark #16 is an important point: the news division used to be a loss-leader for networks. Back when they actually had reporters (and often anchors) in the field, foreign divisions, etc., they certainly were not making any money. It was ok, though: they had an oligopoly so they made ample cash elsewhere; the other oligopolists all agreed to do the same; and the FCC and Congress actually seemed to care that users of free public spectrum contributed to the public good.

    But with the rise of cable/satellite and the advent of the internet, suddenly the bottom line was threatened. in the “show me the quarterly money” culture of the “investment class” and the “keeping up with the Ken Lay’s” culture of corporate executives, there was pressure on every minute of a network’s day. and the FCC and Congress no longer care about the spectrum-for-public-good bargain. If it doesn’t entertain well enough to move ad revenues or at least some eyeballs, it wont be around long at the Big 3 Corporate Nets.

    As much as I dislike it, the odds that we can turn the TV news clock back to a time before 1980 is very, very slim.

  • Like school thugs on the playground or a neighborhood Street Gang, the Clintons think that by bullying and hurling insults, they will taunt Barack into another trap — debate! Why should Barack engage in a barroom-brawl like debate to make himself look less Presidential? Besides Douglass and Lincoln were gentlemen with ethics and morals — something sorely lacking in the Clintons!

    The questions that would be asked of Barack as President are not the same kind of personal attacks he would get at another debate, he is wise to decline! And, by continuing to say NO, he is showing that he is not going to be Bullied into debating for another show based on sensationalism rather than real issues and problems facing the American people today, and we really do have a myriad of problems to solve, and which must be solved! And, because Barack was Wise enough and is wise enough to point out how unfair and uneven the questions were directed at him at the last debate, they label him a “whiner” instead of someone who, and rightly so, is defending himself from a “hit job”. But, if he does this, this might expose the ones who are directing the barbs and hits and their Purpose, so they distort the truth (he’s whining) with a multitude of voices, all saying the same thing to give it power (brainwashing)!

    Most of the corporate media: cable news, ABC, NBC :are owned and Republican controled. They tell us what they want us to Hear, not what we need to Know to truly inform us as a society, which would “expose{ their deeds, give us power and aid in their demise! The Clintons and the Republican Spin Machine are all aligned against Barack! Both are fabricators, distorters, engage in fear and smear… there is no truth from either of the Giants only domination for their own selfish gain and not for the good of “all … they have even colloborated together for greater strength, then one will overthrow the other if they get what they want!

    They, the Republicans, know the Clintons have ailenated African-Americans so they are now actively courting their support while trying to elevate Hillary and deflate Barack. They MSM are not asking Hillary any of the pertinent questions, not on Iran, not on Mark Penn, although he is still on conference calls to this day, not on a pending lawsuit in California or anything elese that might damage her candidacy in the eyes of the people. They don’t ask her why, if Rev. Wright would have not been her pastor, why during Bill’s Impeachment trial, they turned to Rev. Wright for prayer and strength? Because the Republicans have an “arsenal” of ammunition they Plan and have Planned for years to use against the Clintons if Hillary somehow becomes the Democratic nominee!

    Then they belittle Barack’s achievement in Pennsylvania — to close the enormous gap between him and Clintons was a monumental success and not given any credit by the Republican talking-points media. Instead they ask, “do we really know who Barack is?” — They slyly ask, “why can’t he close the deal?” This after showing him bowling over and over again and stating how he cannot relate to blue-collar workers with such a low bowling score or showing skits from Saturday Night Light which casts him a poor light, along with continuing whipping of Rev. Wrght and his comments on bitter. They do not report the news anymore, they do not inform us of the true conditions in Iraq or other pertinent news but rather pass on Gossip, fit for the Enquirer Magazine or Entertainment Tonight, so far we have fallen!

    And to Maureen Dowd on Barack looking tired — Maureen, It is always “Darkest before the Dawn!”

  • . . . and it had been such a pleasant thread, one of the few that didn’t immediately turn into a tiresome proxy for the nomination fight. oh well; I guess all good threads must come to an end.

  • Steven Benen:

    …At one point, she asked Gore, “Again, not to come back to this and fall into your thesis that the press only wants the horserace of the political campaign, but one way–” at which point Gore interrupted, “But back to the horserace.” (Whenever the camera turned to Gore, the chyron read, in all caps, “Al Gore on the attack: Will he run for the White House?” Behind Gore and Sawyer, a giant screen showed a graphic: “The Race to ‘08.”)

    Did a double take on reading that…
    That’s like Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451 seasoned with a dash of Orwell.

    The internet?
    Guss that’s where the hacker Montag ended up in the end.

  • i am not suggesting that every journalist for a mainstream media outlet is neglecting his or her duties to the public.

    i am.

  • All this whining that the American public won’t watch real news – AND NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE.

    The MSM is largely owned by 5 corporations that all have ties (direct or indirect) to the military industrial complex. There has not been any real news on TV for many, many years – just partisan hacks.

    To proclaim that this is somehow a result of “markets” and the public’s “demand” for distorted, biased news is just another lie – guess it makes some feel better to shout to the world, “geee, its everyone else that is stupid!”

    And then they go to Staples, Wal-Mart, or McDonalds and give the corpocracy more cash to bang real liberals over the head with.

    So lame to blame everyone else and give the corporate media a “free pass.”

  • Another debate with shillary? Heaven forbid NO! We have head enough of the trivial and inane, with MSM pundits trying to upstage the event and candidates.

    America doesn’t need another debate to see the choice is clear. It is either bush-clinton-bush-clinton with the very real possibility that mclame will actually the election and be a bush/clinton stand-in or its someone new.

    America overwhelmingly wants change – promoting bush-clinton-bush-clinton as some type of “change” is just more dishonest politics.

  • Open comment to Mrs. Edwards,

    I believe you and your husband to be sincere and genuine people with a great interest in real issues, and I thank you for your article and your previous discussions of health care.

    But I have to point out that I don’t recall your husband objecting when Dennis Kucinich was excluded from the debates. And when you mention less well covered candidates I don’t see Ron Paul’s name. Congressman Paul just received 16% of the vote in the Republican primary in Pennslyvania despite little press coverage, and he’s had tremendous fundraising success as well. And he is the only candidate to have used the words “neocon agenda” in candidate’s debate questions on the Iraq war.

    I am very sorry that you’ve been ill, and I know we all need to do our part. But, will you please extend your request for media coverage beyond your comments in this article–will you add your voice to those requesting that Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney, and possibly a Libertarian candidate (Bob Barr or Mike Gravel?) be included in the presidential debates? Thanks again for your comments.

    Dana

  • To give just one example, this morning Chris Wallace tried to make the point that white people don’t want to vote for Obama. Wallace attempts to support this false argument by providing statistics from a single primary instead of displaying the accumulated statistics from all states that have voted so far.

    Did it ever occur to you Obamabots that white voters have changed their mind about Senator Sexpot and is regretting their foolishness in ever supporting him in early primaries? Once Mr. Slick’s bizarre history, including his relationship with Jeremiah Wright, his willingness to trash his white grandmother, his early drug abuse, his refusal to pay his school loan debts and other disturbing aspects of his secret life came to light, mainstream America obviously decided it had made a mistake about him.

    The Pennsylvania results show that this country has gotten over its love affair with the “we’re so cool” idea of electing a black president and is settling down to put a hard-working, self-made and impeccably credentialed woman into the White House.

  • Parading opinionated mouthpieces around and then advertising them as insightful and good when all they do is act like stenographers is not serious journalism. There used to be balance in covering a campaign…knowing when a subject needed further investigation and explanation instead of just repeating stories over and over for sensationalism. For the most part the MSM is a mouthpiece for the government line (this is why “operation mockingbird” was implemented by the CIA in the ’50s to begin with) Now the press dutifully fits dems and repubs in their pre-conceived framework. Health care for instance…we get reports that dem candidates have a plan and the slight difference between them instead of probing for better plans and how they might be implemented. The questions of say, expanding Medicare for all and leaving out private for profit plans has never been asked or explored on the campaign trail for any of the candidates. Questions about how the process of withdrawing forces and contractors from Iraq would be implemented etc are never explored and the main reason is simple: FOR THE MOST PART JOURNALIST AT PRESENT ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO EXPLORE SUCH QUESTIONS DUE TO IGNORANCE OF THE TOPIC. Joe Klein never has gotten FISA straight and even after admitting it was over his head he continued to write about it when it was obvious he didn’t know what he was talking about. MSM keeps questions and reporting on the mundane and trivial because that is where their understanding is. Peggy Noonan is unqualified to report on major issues of any kind in depth because frankly, she’s just not that informed or capable of understanding them in depth. Only on the internet do we find journalist of intelligence and understanding who aren’t compromised by looks or doing what they are told to do by those with a political agenda who hold their paychecks and careers in their hands.
    There will always be a third of the people who are easily brainwashed by commentary and only understand at a very base level. These are the consumers the infotainment news appeals to. Once you’ve been to the net for news and opinion, the “nitely news”on tv loses its credibility. These “reporters” are told what to say and especially what “not” to say. They have lost their “standing” and are easily manmipulated. Just look at the run up to the war. We have stupid on TV while real journalists can’t get a good paying job.

  • Hark…***you need to get around some different people. I like to be entertained also but there are a whole class of us(of which you are probably one) who desperately seek after intelligent news commentary and don’t find it easily on TV or the MSM and we would love it if we could go back to the Walter Cronchite/ Eric Severied style of news journalism where they actually did some intelligent investigative reporting and commentary. TV news is losing it’s audience and people, I believe, are becoming more critical of the things they are reading and are starving for intelligent reporting. I don’t know what Obama’s bowling score is and never cared. Seems most of my friends just ignore this kind of crap and I hope that’s a good thing. But we aren’t being offered much in the way of news coverage so for the most part I just ignore it.

  • I watched Obama on FAUX this morning. Wanted to see how he did and what idiotic questions Wallace would ask, and how he would frame them (badly of course).

    Obama batted down Chris claim that Hillary won big in PA. Good.

    Chris Wallace claims he almost decided not to ask Obama about Rev. Wright.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Ya-right. Then he did. Obama did OK (I wish he would stick up for Wright more, because Wright is Right).

    Chris asked him about Ayers and the comment in the last debate when Obama talked about his relationship with Ayers and with Coburn… which I thought he explained well in the debate… just because one has a relationship with other people doesn’t mean you agree with them. And Chris pulls the old ‘isn’t it unfair to compare Coburn to Ayers’. And Obama did a great job correcting Wallace’s framing. Clear, right? No, Wallace asks him again why he’s comparing a US Senator to a man who advocated blowing up buildings 20 years ago (though Coburn’s suggestion of the death penalty for those who perform legal abortions is pretty abhorent IMO). Hey, Chris, were you f*ing listening or are you just f*ing stupid??? (Can you imagine what Chris’ poor daddy must think of his offspring?)

    Good grief. I almost yelled at my teevee.

    In the interview I thought Obama did well over all.

    Then to the talking heads who just had to chime in on Hillary’s “big” win in PA and on Obama’s interview. That’s when I blew my top. Juan Williams (who the hell is this guy anyway???) says Rev. Wright must be working against the Obama campaign because Wright’s making all these appearances this week, I guess to “defend” himself. Has Williams even listened to Wright? Oh, silly me, of course not. Anyone who actually listened to Wright on Bill Moyers show would have a whole new respect and admiration for Wright’s intellect, his accomplishments, and an understanding of the black church in America.

    Ironically enough, one of the things Wright talked about in his Moyers interview was the sorry state of education in this country. From the interview:
    “…because we’re miseducated, you end up with the majority of the people not wanting to hear the truth. Because they would rather cling to what they are taught… (talks about American history)… when you start trying to show them you only got a piece of the story, and lemme show you the rest of the story, you run into vitriolic hatred because you’re desecrating our myth. You’re desecrating what we hold sacred. And when you’re holding sacred is a miseducational system that has not taught you the truth.”

    This is exactly where we are at. It applies to history, science and all subjects. And until we improve our educational system, it will only get worse.

    I’m so glad I don’t watch FAUX. My health couldn’t take it.

  • I forgot to say:

    Thank God for Carpetbagger and all of the other intelligent bloggers and writers on the internet for keeping me informed!!!

  • #20:
    Superior minds speak of ideas
    Average minds speak of events
    Inferior minds speak of other people

    Truer words were never spoken. Too bad most teevee and lamestreetmedia folks belong in the second and third categories.

  • Hey joey – have you ever noticed the ENTER key – on your left, short reach with pinky.

    Do you really like to read things that look like this:

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  • MY FELLOW “BITTER”, STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE 🙂

    If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of “BITTER”!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. 🙁

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose 😉 husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

    You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. 🙂

    Best regards

    jacksmith… Working Class 🙂

    p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! 🙂

    If you don’t know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering…

    You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. 🙂

    Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on…

    OBAMA AIDE: “WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS” 😮

    DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!…

  • DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!

    It’s time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

    Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have defeated her. And proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources. In all honesty. I felt some of that too.

    But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

    Hillary Clinton say’s that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

    Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton’s have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

    If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

    Sen. Hillary Clinton: “You know, more people have now voted for me than have voted for my opponent. In fact, I now have more votes than anybody has ever had in a primary contest for a nomination. And it’s also clear that we’ve got nine more important contests to go.”

    Sincerely

    Jacksmith… Working Class 🙂

  • You ARE and idiot if you think bush-clinton-bush-clinton represents some type of “change” and that we will get anything different.

    The same criminal cabal that brought us dur chimpfurher wants to see shillary as the nomination because it will either:

    (1) Let them steal the election for mclame, claiming it was all the clinton “negatives”
    (2) Enable them to maintain the status quo

    Only a FOOL thinks the path to change is through bush-clinton-bush-clinton and a 28 year dynasty of the same monarchs.

  • His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania

    LOL

    Please – send in better trolls!!!!

    She was once up by over 30 points – even with the election shenanigans in urban areas like philly where Obama would have kicked shillary’s a$$, she only managed to win by 9 points and then the media distorted that to 10.

    No crushing defeat – Obama proved that he can carry every state that shillary won and he still leads her in national polls even though shillary is teaming with the neocon/repugs to undermine him.

    PA was as good as a victory because it showed that shillary cannot maintain a lead even when getting in bed with mclame, limpballs, and rove.

    NO BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-CLINTON MONARCHY!

  • Hey, 37&38,

    Working Class or not… You’re still no Jack Smith; you’re Jack Schitt.

    Re Elizabeth Edwards…

    Dana, @29,
    None of the candidates you mentioned were ever viable. Sigh… I’d have liked Kucinich (for many of his policies, beginning with the healthcare) but even he was a borderline nut and couldn’t be salvaged. As for why Elizabeth wasn’t fighting on his behalf… He has an intelligent wife of his own, doesn’t he? She could have been writing op-eds and making biting remarks too, instead of saving pennies buying children’s clothes in second-hand shops, no?

    One of the reasons I used to be pro-Edwards (before he dropped out) was that, in the case of Edwardses, we really would have got “two for the price of one” the likes of which the Clintons will never match (for what it’s worth, I thought the same of the Gores, which is why I liked him despite his lame choice of VP). Now, I get an impression that Elizabeth Edwards is propelled by a sense of urgency – dictated by her death sentence — to do as much good as she possibly can before her time is up. She’s a rare human being and I really wish she could have been our President-cohort…

  • RJ (#3) has it right: As a culture, we either lack or choose not to apply our critical thinking skills to be able to discern facts from fiction…material from immaterial…relevance from irrelevance.

    The problem is the American system of miseducation, and it didn’t just go bad in the last 20 years. The first time anyone asked “why Johnny can’t read” was 50 years ago (5 years after the professional miseducation establishment got rid of phonics the first time). One gets educated in America in spite of the system, not because of it, and that’s been a fact for a very long time.

    Remember, Mencken said this 84 years ago:

    “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”

    Once I got overseas and discovered how the rest of the world works, I found out that Americans as a group are probably the least-informed national group in the world.

  • Once I got overseas and discovered how the rest of the world works, I found out that Americans as a group are probably the least-informed national group in the world.

    While I dont doubt that for a moment, I’m not sure which is the cause and which is the effect. Are we ill-informed because our education system is weak, or is our education system weak because we are ill-informed — specifically, we have this extraordinary superiority complex that makes us complacent about the need for education viz the rest of the world?

  • And Chris Wallace spent at least 15 minutes, half the interview, harping on the Wright matter and flag pins, and after the interview, Bill Kristol criticized Obama for not using his half hour to discuss substantive issues. I begged Obama (telepathically) not to walk into that trap but he didn’t listen!

  • Great post and thread except for the Obama-bots and Hillary-bots with nothing to say on the topic (and such long posts, too).

  • The Media conglomerates are manipulating what can be told on the news. There really is no station that does not pander to the corporations and therefore true reporting of important issues is diluted with nonnsensical rhetoric to change the real subject. The journalists have jumped on The Clinton’s campaign to parse words such as bitter and have blown that out of proportion. The Clinton’s campaign against Reverend Wright is so biased it is ricidulous. Why not discuss FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM TO WORSHIP that were alive and well prior to the bush/ cheney cabal. The media congolomurates will not allow this as they will not be able ot have the full attention of the administration du jour. Americans need to rebel against this type if insurrection of our Constitutional right!!!!

  • More public non-profit broadcasting. NPR is not perfect but it’s a hell of a lot better than for-profit news companies. Money corrupts and a corrupted media corrupts Democracy at its core.

    If only this country was not so anti-intellectual, the average Joe might want to watch intelligent news. Maybe if we do Jim Lehrer + Bikini Babes?

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