What is Stephen Hayes talking about?

The Weekly Standard’s Stephen Hayes is perhaps best known for arguing incessantly for the last several years that Saddam Hussein’s regime was directly connected to al Qaeda. It earned him a reputation for being a bit of a far-right oddball, but his constant and aggressive advocacy, resisting reality at every turn, made Hayes a favorite of Dick Cheney, who offered the conservative writer unprecedented access for a flattering new book.

Yesterday, Hayes was invited onto Meet the Press to help plug the book and to discuss the declassified National Intelligence Estimate.

RUSSERT: Steve Hayes, in your new book, “Cheney: The Untold Story of America’s Most Powerful and Controversial Vice President,” you write this. “Some people think if we” walk — “just walk away from Iraq everything will be fine, that it’s the optional war, that you don’t have to be here, that it’s possible to retreat behind our oceans and be safe and secure; withdrawal from Iraq doesn’t damage our interest in this wider conflict. And that may be in part because they don’t believe there’s a wider conflict. I know different. It’s so clear to me. I have trouble understanding why” it’s “unclear to everybody else.” That same certitude that David Brook uses to describe the president, you’re using to describe the vice president.

HAYES: Yeah, it’s very interesting. I think one of the things we saw this week, and this, this speaks directly to what the vice president told me, is with this — the release of this NIE we saw a shift in thinking. I think for a long time administration critics had begun to make the argument that really this al-Qaeda threat is overblown, that they misled us into the war in Iraq, they’re misleading us about the seriousness of the threat from al-Qaeda. And I think what the NIE does, even though in some ways it’s, it’s very critical of the administration, is it strengthens the basic case that the administration has been making that al-Qaeda remains a serious threat.

I have no idea what Hayes is talking about. Or, more precisely, Hayes has no idea what he’s talking about.

Where are these mysterious White House “critics” who’ve been arguing that the al Qaeda threat is “overblown”? Seriously, name some prominent Bush detractors who have argued this, in Hayes’ words, “for a long time.” I’m relatively clued into Democratic talking points and I can’t recall any Democrat or left-leaning political figure ever making this argument in any forum, in any context. Hayes appears to have simply made it up in the hopes of making the NIE appear more favorable for his White House allies.

Which segues to the other problem: the NIE doesn’t strengthen the Bush’s gang’s “basic case” at all.

The White House has said, repeatedly, that thanks to the president’s leadership, we’ve destroyed al Qaeda’s leadership and have the terrorist network on the run. The NIE, in stark contrast, shows the opposite and vindicates what White House critics have been arguing for years. While the president’s policies have been failing in Iraq, al Qaeda is rebuilding, recruiting, and refilling its coffers — in large part because of the president’s failed policies in Iraq.

And yet there was Hayes, on national television, making an argument that was clearly false, predicated on straw men and imaginary progress.

For that matter, Yglesias notes the context in which we heard all of this nonsense.

That said, is Hayes more insane or less insane than Tim Russert, who decided that Bob Woodward, David Brooks, and Steve Hayes would be a good balanced panel to discuss the news? What kind of stupid stuff do I need to write before I get to go on Meet The Press to promote my book?

That’s an entirely reasonable question. Indeed, is there anyone who believes Hayes hurt his chances of being invited back onto Meet the Press by making absurd and demonstrably false arguments? Of course not; conservatives are not only allowed to dominate these “roundtable” discussions, they’re also rewarded by repeat appearances, no matter how shamelessly they mislead the television audience.

The mind reels.

As I recall, it was President Bush who said he never even thinks about Bin-Laden. Did no one bother to point that out?

  • “What kind of stupid stuff do I need to write before I get to go on Meet The Press to promote my book?” – M. Yglesias

    Extreme Right Wing stupid stuff.

    Thus ends today’s session of simple answers.

    And it is also the reason that the “Traditional” MSM (SCLM?) is hurting so badly. The lies & bias are too easy to debunk via the web.

  • Of course not; conservatives are not only allowed to dominate these “roundtable” discussions, they’re also rewarded by repeat appearances, no matter how shamelessly they mislead the television audience.

    NBC is owned by GE. When you hear “Tim Russert” think “General Electric” and the mind reeling will abate.

  • Yeah, it’s very interesting.

    ???

    Wow, what a distinguished discussion they were having.

    That said, is Hayes more insane or less insane than Tim Russert, who decided that Bob Woodward, David Brooks, and Steve Hayes would be a good balanced panel to discuss the news?

    Right on.

    What kind of stupid stuff do I need to write before I get to go on Meet The Press to promote my book?

    Matt probably needs to just life some sentences wholesale from Mein Kampf.

  • Matt probably needs to just life some sentences wholesale from Mein Kampf.

    Oops, “lift” some sentences

  • Just another example of one of Bush’s favourite speech tactics – set up the straw man, and then knock him down. “Some say we ought not to help the people in New Orleans, David – I disagree”. Of course nobody in their right mind ever said it, the position was invented purely so the Preznit could appear to be comfortably with the majority.

  • The Bush WH also knows the NIE is a negative net, and that is precisely why they have rolled the likes of Hayes and others to directly lie about the NIE. Remember, with this WH we are dealing with some very accomplished liars, who lie themselves out of any accountability for the various problems they have cause our society, our foreign relations, and the World Bank. -Kevo

  • Not that I think most of his talking points make any sense at all, but I have to assume that what Hayes was gesturing towards here was the common complaint that AQI is responsible for very little of the violence and instability in Iraq. That is, the left correctly states that AQI is not a mjor factor that should decide our continued involvement in Iraq as they are likely to be squeezed out by other players very quickly. In this sense, the AQI threat is overblow. This is not because AQI isn’t a threat, but because the rest of the mess created by this President makes them a relatively minor one.

    I just wish someone would clarify for the likes of Hayes that AQI and al-Qaeda in general are not the same thing and that conflating them shows a (surprise!) lack of seriousness about the topic.

  • For once, I’m not confused. Some days they care about bin Laden and some days they don’t. It’s simply a matter of the propaganda they choose to catapult on a given day, […Incoming!]

  • The problem with Russert isn’t GE; it’s the same as with O’Reilly which I talked about on last night’s thread: this guy is pulling in a big salary, he gets to see himself on TV, so what does he care what you have to say? As long as his bosses aren’t holding him accountable and as long as the American people aren’t putting enough pressure on him to make him or his bosses feel like they’re being held accountable, he can do or say whatever anyone wants him to say, whether it’s GE or not who is putting the pressure on. The influence can be coming from anywhere, and who knows what it is or to what extent Russert or his bosses may be invested in it. I guess if GE didn’t like it, they could pull the money, but who knows how closely they pay attention. I doubt reading blogs and giving a shit about the country are prerequisites to belonging to the CEO-class. If you had an honest person or a person who gives a shit in Russert’s position, you wouldn’t have a problem, but instead you have a person who can’t just be uninformed- it doesn’t make sense, the idea that Russert is uninformed- rather he has to not give a shit, too.

  • Good catch CB – I was watching that yesterday and, as I’ve come to learn here, there is a major difference between al-qaeda (of 9/11 fame) and AQI. Moreover, there was no AQI before there were ATI (Americans troops in Iraq). But this is an important point – and one that I think Woodward actually tried to make – is that AQI is NOT a threat to America. They are attempting to gain power but in the context of the sectarian violence and attempting to cash in on anti-American sentiment. The NIE and other docs show that AQI ranks fairly low on the threat meter in Iraq. Hayes just makes specious arguments and Russert just allows them to float out there….

  • The NIE shows that Iraq has been a disaster for America and a benefit for Al Qaeda. Pretty much what the pros in the intelligence community predicted all along.

    Timmy is part of the MSM full court press to Snow Job America into believing it doesn’t say that. Good luck with that!

    It’s just another nail being pounded into the MSM coffin. America has found them lacking and lackies and moved on.

    They will work hard to shut down the Internet when it really gets out of hand. Shades of China? Anyone?

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