What might an Obama offensive look like?

We’ve all been hearing talk since this morning that, given yesterday’s primary results, Barack Obama will have no choice but to start going negative (or, in the vernacular, “drawing sharper contrasts”) against Hillary Clinton. But what, exactly, does that mean? There’s a qualitative difference between going negative (hardball) and going hard-negative (dirtyball).

What’s Obama prepared to do? So far, it sounds pretty mild.

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday blamed his primary defeats in Ohio and Texas on rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s criticism and news coverage that he argued benefited her at his expense.

The presidential candidate said he planned to do more in the days ahead to raise doubts about his opponent’s claims to foreign policy and other Washington experience. In a television ad that her campaign credits with helping her win, she portrayed herself as most prepared to handle an international crisis.

“What exactly is this foreign policy experience?” Obama asked mockingly. “Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no.”

On the style, that seems fairly above-board and substance-oriented. It’s hard to argue this isn’t a legitimate area of inquiry.

On the substance, the AP noted that Clinton responded by pointing to a series events in which she played a role, including peace talks in Northern Ireland, the Kosovo refugee crisis, and standing up for women’s rights in China. (And, one assumes the Obama campaign will respond by noting that Clinton arrived in Macedonia after progress had been negotiated, George Mitchell said she was “not involved directly” in Northern Ireland negotiations, and her speech in China was just a speech, which isn’t supposed to count.)

So far, these aren’t the kinds of “contrasts” that are going to tear the party apart.

The other area, apparently, is Clinton’s reluctance to release her tax returns.

Obama campaign advisers are already making good on promises to confront Hillary much more aggressively on new fronts, hammering her on a conference call over her failure to release her tax returns.

And in the process, Obama senior adviser David Axelrod got off a pretty good line mocking Hillary’s recent “change you can xerox” howler:

“There is no reason she cannot realease her 2006 returns. Talk about change you can Xerox. You can Xerox your tax returns.”

Obama advisers, clearly signaling to supporters that they will take aggressive steps to contain whatever momentum Hillary has coming out of yesterday’s wins, charged that her refusal to release the returns suggested that she would be less than forthcoming as president.

It strikes me as a fair subject to bring up. For months, Clinton has said she’d release her tax returns, but only if she wins the nomination. Pressed for an explanation for the delay, neither Clinton nor her campaign have come up with anything. It hasn’t been much of an issue because, well, Obama hasn’t made any effort to make it an issue.

I have to admit, all of this seems rather mild as campaign attacks go. In fact, I’d argue that these “contrasts” aren’t nearly as harsh as Clinton’s “kitchen-sink” strategy used so effectively over the last week or so.

If this is as far as Obama is prepared to go, he’ll be able to argue with a straight face that he’s keeping a classy campaign, but there are a couple of angles to consider: a) if voters yesterday responded to real negative campaigning, is Obama being aggressive enough? and b) is this only the first stage in a series of ever-escalating criticisms that will grow more intense in the coming weeks?

I guess we’ll find out soon enough.

It’s a good place for him to start. Let’s his hands remain comparatively clean if he can get Hillary to step in her own shit and have the press do some legwork for him.

He doesn’t need to get down in the gutter yet, he just needs to chnage the press dynamic again.

  • It’s not enough for Obama to prove that he can take a punch. He needs to prove to all those blue collar workers who voted for Hillary Clinton that he can land a punch.

    Those voters are looking for a fighter and in Clinton they see a fighter. And her willingness to attack and attack harshly is the primary reason they think she’s a fighter. Obama needs to match that. He needs to prove he can be just as aggressive a fighter as Clinton.

    Or as Obama himself put it: “Look, I’m the challenger. I’m the upstart. I’m the insurgent. She’s the champ. She’s part of the Democratic network in Washington and, you know, if you’re the titleholder, then you don’t lose it on points. You’ve got to be knocked out.”

    That’s right. Now he just needs show some fight, land some hard punches and knock her out.

  • I agree, he really needs to get the press onto things. The crazy making thing about last week was that everyone sort of ignored the obvious and accepted the entirely bogus idea that there should be equal numbers of stories about a candidate and they should break down evenly positive/negative.

    That’s the kind of reporting democrats have been railing against, for, well, a decade or so. The press’ job isn’t to do just he said/she said or to find holocaust deniers to provide balance to stories about Nazis, it’s to report and investigage. sigh.

  • gah, Gov. Crist (R) of FL and Gov. Granholm (D) of MI just issued a joint statement saying it would be “reprehensible” to deny MI and FL voters their vote.

    (Why? Because it’s unfair that they should have to follow their own party’s rules? I don’t get it.)

    Prolonging this battle is fucking the party in the ass (which bcinaz and ROTFLMLiberalAO have pointed out is the reason Crist and the Republicans in general are so keen to be “helpful” in facilitating a do-over).

    Not that a long battle is bad for us, but a long, bitter, scorched-earth battle is.

  • We know exactly why Hillary hasn’t released her tax returns, has not made any effort to get her White House papers released and does not want to release the list of donors to the Clinton Library/Foundation (many of whom, no doubt, want influence in the next administration). She has something to hide.

    Fully vetted, my ass.

  • Well, there’s always time for more “Racist Clintons” backlash.

    I’m not saying that such behavior is unacceptable simply because he’s black.

    I realize that darkening and slightly altering your opponents features to obtain a more “sinister” or “stupid” look is a common strategy in campaign ads (are there any Obama ads that darken Clinton’s features?), but it does show some pretty poor judgment on the Clinton campaign’s end.

    Hopefully the discussion over this will expand beyond simple finger-pointing and campaign rhetoric to address the broader issues concerning the tactics of playing up stereotypes for strategic campaign advantage.

    I’m not holding my breath…

  • Pennsylvania has both small towns that have been whacked by WalMart and unions who have been kicked by WalMart. One might profitably remind people that she was on the board of directors that approved all those crimes.

    One might remind people who need health insurance who it was who screwed the pooch on that and how she did it, as an example of “experience” and ability to take on the job “on Day One.”

    As others have mentioned, the tax returns thing is big – Obama released his – he could perhaps make a bigger thing of it, be sure people know what are in his returns, and then keep asking her why she won’t (she won’t because that exposes all of Bill’s crimes)

    We could ask about the judgement of a husband who wrecks a US government policy promoting democracy (which she supported), so he can take a $31 million payoff from a Canadian con-artist.

    I think those torpedoes amidships should sink the USS Billary.

  • have to admit, all of this seems rather mild as campaign attacks go. In fact, I’d argue that these “contrasts” aren’t nearly as harsh as Clinton’s “kitchen-sink” strategy used so effectively over the last week or so.

    As much as possible, Obama should act as if he is the presumptive nominee and address John McCain while ignoring Clinton. When he is asked about Clinton’s latest “kitchen sink” attack, Obama should ask “Is SHE still in the race?” or say “I thought she’d dropped out and endorsed John McCain.”

    When pressed, he should link McCain and Clinton:

    “Clinton and McCain both claim to have more experience than I. I disagree, but it’s true that they both have things on their resumes that I don’t have — they both voted to approve George Bush’s disastrous war in Iraq, and because they thought that worked out so well, four years later they both voted to give George Bush an excuse to attack Iran.”

    “John McCain says he completely supports NAFTA, and Hillary Clinton helped push NAFTA through during her co-presidency.”

    “McCain’s campaign is being run by Washington lobbyists. Hillary Clinton’s campaign is being funded by Washington lobbyists. Do you think either of them will bring about real change?”

  • The caveat for Barack’s campaign with going too negative is if he’s the candidate of change and the messenger of hope, running around getting all negative about his opponent is really more of the same old campaigning and a buzzkill for hopefulness. I’m betting Hillary’s camp is counting on this to knock Barack off of his perch. If Barack keeps pounding his positive messages and his staff does the dirty work, he’ll look wiser and his machine will look more efficient.

    Hillary needs to be aware that continuing with the kitchen sink mentality will sink the party in November. If the Dems come off as some squabbling, disorganized party that can’t even settle on its best candidate, they’ll remind the public that they are acting too much like our aimless Congress that hasn’t accomplished much either. Given the media’s man love with McCain, he’ll come across as the stronger agent for change than either of a pair of bickering hens. These two need to stay positive and keep their eyes on the true prize of getting either one of them in the White House.

  • At least do a fact check and, if she lied, throw that back at her.

    According to today’s NY Times: “No candidate in recent history — Democratic or Republican — has won the White House without winning the Ohio primary,” Mrs. Clinton, of New York, said at a rally in Columbus, Ohio. “We all know that if we want a Democratic president, we need a Democratic nominee who can win the battleground states, just like Ohio.”

    John F. Kennedy did.

    Even high school debaters know that, right or wrong, you challenge statements like that. In this case it would have been the truth, too.

  • From Barak Obama:

    Chris —

    Our projections show the most likely outcome of yesterday’s elections will be that Hillary Clinton gained 187 delegates, and we gained 183.

    That’s a net gain of 4 delegates out of more than 370 delegates available from all the
    states that voted.

    For comparison, that’s less than half our net gain of 9 delegates from the District of Columbia alone. It’s also less than our net gain of 8 from Nebraska, or 12 from Washington State. And it’s considerably less than our net gain of 33 delegates from Georgia.

    The task for the Clinton campaign yesterday was clear. In order to have a plausible path to the nomination, they needed to score huge delegate victories and cut into our lead.

    They failed.

    It’s clear, though, that Senator Clinton wants to continue an increasingly desperate, increasingly negative — and increasingly expensive — campaign to tear us down.

    That’s her decision. But it’s not stopping John McCain, who clinched the Republican nomination last night, from going on the offensive. He’s already made news attacking Barack, and that will only become more frequent in the coming days.

    Right now, it’s essential for every single supporter of Barack Obama to step up and help fight this two-front battle. In the face of attacks from Hillary Clinton and John McCain, we need to be ready to take them on.

    Will you make an online donation of $25 right now?

    https://donate.barackobama.com/math

    The chatter among pundits may have gotten better for the Clinton campaign after last night, but by failing to cut into our lead, the math — and their chances of winning — got considerably worse.

    Today, we still have a lead of more than 150 delegates, and there are only 611 pledged delegates left to win in the upcoming contests.

    By a week from today, we will have competed in Wyoming and Mississippi. Two more states and 45 more delegates will be off the table.

    But if Senator Clinton wants to continue this, let’s show that we’re ready.

    Make an online donation of $25 now to show you’re willing to fight for this:

    https://donate.barackobama.com/math

    This nomination process is an opportunity to decide what our party needs to stand for in this election.

    We can either take on John McCain with a candidate who’s already united Republicans and Independents against us, or we can do it with a campaign that’s united Americans from all parties around a common purpose.

    We can debate John McCain about who can clean up Washington by nominating a candidate who’s taken more money from lobbyists than he has, or we can do it with a campaign that hasn’t taken a dime of their money because we’ve been funded by you.

    We can present the American people with a candidate who stood shoulder-to-shoulder with McCain on the worst foreign policy disaster of our generation, and agrees with him that George Bush deserves the benefit of the doubt on Iran, or we can nominate someone who opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning and will not support a march to war with Iran.

    John McCain may have a long history of straight talk and independent thinking, but he has made the decision in this campaign to offer four more years of the very same policies that have failed us for the last eight.

    We need a Democratic candidate who will present the starkest contrast to those failed policies of the past.

    And that candidate is Barack Obama.

    Please make a donation of $25 now:

    https://donate.barackobama.com/math

    Thank you,

    David

    David Plouffe
    Campaign Manager
    Obama for America

    Me? I’m sold. I made my donation today, and I’ll be making more in the future.

  • John Avarosis at AmericaBlog has more on the “release your tax returns” issue

    In 1992, Bill Clinton made his tax returns public during the primaries. But, there was a catch. He didn’t release his 1979 and 1978 tax returns. Those were the returns showing that Hillary had made a 10,000% cattle-futures profit that raised a few eyebrows. …So in a nutshell, Hillary says she’s been fully vetted, that there are no more surprises in her life. But Hillary doesn’t want you to know what surprises might be in her tax returns, lest it influence your vote. But she doesn’t care if you see her tax returns a few months from now, when it’s too late to influence your vote. … And were she to release her tax returns now, Democratic primary voters and super delegates might not like what they find, and vote accordingly. And we can’t have that.

    People with nothing to hide don’t usually hide.

  • There’s no way Hillary can win, even if things do swing in her direction, because of the delegate math. Obama should take the high road. Draw a clear distinction between the cynical, dirty way she’s campaigning and his clean path, then use his inevitable victory as a validation of his new kind of politics.

  • SteveT (8) :“McCain’s campaign is being run by Washington lobbyists. Hillary Clinton’s campaign is being funded by Washington lobbyists.”

    And both campaigns have lobbyists (Mark Penn & Charlie Black) who are partners. Apparently, not a conflict of interest.

  • I disagree, Tamalak. If Obama stays classy, like you advise, but loses a bunch more states because Hillary’s negativity works, she could be able to make the argument that he was just a “phase” and that she should be the real nominee. Unless his delegate lead gets really, really big, I think superdelegates might be inclined to support her in that case.

    I think he can fight back without jumping into the sewer with her. He’ll both look classy and like a badass. I personally got a thrill when I heard he was going to start busting heads.
    Go get ’em big dog, WOOF!

  • Mark Penn and Charlie Black are partners???
    Why has this not been reported more prominently? If it’s true, the two could be – no make that almost certainly are – coordinating their attacks on Obama.

  • IMHO since he has the math behind him, all he needs to do is take whatever BS attack she throws out, wrap it around her neck and say “Folks, this is exactly the kind of politics I want to get rid of. I am sure John McCain will have the same brand of baloney in his bag of tricks come the fall. And with your help, we will retire some of the politicians who have enabled this type of politics, the people who have squandered your children’s futures and done so by playing these same games to win elections. I’m not going to play their game, and if you want me to clean them out of washington, please support my candidacy.”

  • “It’s 3am and your children are safe and asleep.
    But there’ s a phone in the White House and it is ringing.
    something is happening in the world
    your vote will decide who answers that call.
    whether it is someone who despite all the evidence that showed otherwise,
    voted to send in the military into a quagmire without any regret
    someone who failed to step up to keep the US from making a huge mistake.
    its 3am and your children are safe and asleep.
    Who do you want answering that phone?”

  • I think superdelegates might be inclined to support her in that case. -CHEEZBURGER

    And thus continues the Democratic Party’s tradition of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory because that would tear the Democratic party apart. She’d lose in November, probably with 48% or 49% of the vote, and that would be the end of the Democratic Party because it would fracture between the ‘I told you so’ crew and the ‘It’s Obama’s supporters fault’ brigade.

    But at least we might get a third party who not only espouses the same ideals as the Democratic party, but actually believes in them.

  • say “I thought she’d dropped out and endorsed John McCain.” — SteveT

    I like it! The “I thought she’d endorsed McCain” line could be a classic!

  • Tough spot for Obama. He needs to stay on the high road, but he also needs to answer the challenge of her Rovian attacks.

    I think the first thing he needs to do is get up on the mountain top and start a little proclaiming. To wit: “So far i have refused to sink to a level of mean-spirited and vicious attacks on a member of my own party. I want to win this nomination. I want to win the White House. But i do not want to win so badly that i’m willing to hurt my own party to do it. I have to admit that i’m troubled by the actions of my opponent; i would expect these attacks from a Republican opponent, perhaps i should have expected them from my Democratic opponent as well. Nothing could be more disappointing to myself and my supporters that such an expectation would be necessary. So today i will ask the Honorable, Senator Clinton if this is the way she really wants to campaign for the Democratic nomination. If the answer is “yes”, i will ask my supporters if this is the way that they would like me to campaign, though it goes against everything i stand for…”

    Shame her; shame her supporters; shame the whole friggin party. And if she answers yes, that she wants to play dirty…well, i’d start by publicly calling for the Barrett Report to be opened (hell, he could walk into the Congressional archives and request it); the tax returns; questioning the campaign about the FALN pardons; and dissecting her “experience” with the finest tooth comb that history has to offer.

    She hasn’t been “vetted” and she knows it. She’s just lucky that Obama isn’t the kind of guy to do it to her. I’m most afraid the he won’t…the Republicans will…and a whole lot of people will have Clinton remorse come November.

  • Going after Clinton’s tax returns is a start, but he needs to keep after it in his press conferences until the MSM corporate media pick it up. Once they do he needs to drop the next bomb, and the next, right up until the day before the PA primary. The best things to go after her on are probably the things she’s resisted acknowledging, since she can never admit error. God knows, the Clintons have left enough kindling around to start a forest fire. All this can be done while still doing his positive thing. He’s been smart thus far, I think he can figure it out. If he can’t he doesn’t deserve the nomination.

  • I haven’t mentioned it before, but I totally think the tax return thing is a good place to start. I’m against negative campaigning and didn’t even want to bother with something like tax returns, but we’re now at a different stage of the battle. I think the tax return issue is something that will resonate with people.

    It would have been much better for her to say she’d never release it than this “You can see it once it’s too late” thing she’s going with. It really reminds me of one of the things I never liked about the Clintons when I supported the back in the 90’s: They’re just too cutesy with this having it both ways stuff. Like the “I Didn’t Inhale” thing. That was just dumb. They like it because it sounds like a clever way to get out of answering, but it never is. It not only makes them look guilty, but like they’re liars who think we’re all idiots. And as someone who always likes to play things straight, I always hated having to defend that kind of thing. And anything I wouldn’t want to defend is a great place to attack someone on.

  • Steve, you are constantly talking about how effective Clinton’s negativity has been. I just don’t see the evidence as being there. As far as I know there is no data on how firm the support was that Obama lost. Literally 5-10% of the voting public could have been waffling, perhaps because they felt like Clinton was toast. If they would have preferred Clinton initially, and then talked themselves into thinking she had a chance, this could have had nothing to do with Obama or the negative campaigning. There is just no way to know.

  • PERCEPTIONS MATTER!Obama should return fire with fire…He must expose Hillarry for a fraud running on her husband cotails that she is.Hil’liar was on CNN spreading more lies:She claimed to have secured Nothern Ireland peace accord which,as we all know,was the sole work of PM Blair & the accomplishment was only made 2 years ago where Bill failed;Hil’liar seems to confuse being on trips to get funds for her husband from questionable donors & being on diplomatic missions.We all know “China” wasn’t about women right but funding Clinton political career & later library.WHERE IS THE TAX RETURN,THE LEAST WE CAN ASK FOR NOW!

    Playing nice has got its limit.Preaching Hope isn’t being naive.Hillary should be brought down!

  • The way Hillary spends money on campaigns (2006 and now) is all this fiscal tightwad needs to know about how she will approach spending in the White House.

  • “That’s the kind of reporting democrats have been railing against, for, well, a decade or so. The press’ job isn’t to do just he said/she said or to find holocaust deniers to provide balance to stories about Nazis, it’s to report and investigage. sigh.

    jen:
    AMEN! the media just eats up controversy and spits it back out. i believe that desire to give equal time to crazies is why the global warming issue was also back-burnered until the past couple years. 99.999 percent of scientists point to data that indicates climate change is caused by humans? what’s that? oh, one industry shill believes otherwise? well, let’s give him 50 percent of the time to chat up his faith-based theories. the media is weak on so many fronts. certainly, the coverage of anything that bleeds and leads over issues that genuinely matter to people is not only a disservice, it’s disgusting.

    everybody else:
    unfortunately i agree that obama has to fight back, not with dirty tricks, but with honest criticism. this, if only to hone his skills when he has to fight the Karl Roves of the republican world. if they can play the media like a fiddle to “Max Cleland” a war hero, swiftboat another war hero or mire Obama in a Whitewater-like quagmire, he’s going to need to gear up to fight back.

  • I find it hard to believe that people are making such an important decision on who to vote for in the primaries based on Clinton’s red phone television campaign ad. Don’t people research the person they want to elect? Why rely on one ad to help you make that decision? Same with all these people who voted Bush in. They listened to swiftboat ads that were lies. I heard my cousin didn’t want to vote for Obama because she heard from her hair dresser that he is muslim. I guess if people are so stupid to make a decision based on a television campaign ad or by their dim wit hair dresser, then Obama needs to make his case with these ads too. Oh,Brother.

  • Clintonfatigue@25 said,

    Obama should return fire with fire…

    A brave man fights fire with fire. A wise man fights fire with water. Too often recently the Dems haven’t been willing to fight fire at all; they sit around and fret that the house is burning but they don’t do anything. But getting into a pissing match with Sen. Clinton is not the way for Sen. Obama to win. Besides ending up covered in piss, he’ll also damage his “brand”. But he doesn’t have to descend to her level to show himself as an effective and aggressive fire.

    What hasn’t been done in a generation or more is the principled active defense. He’s done OK with it so far — the way he turned around some of McCain’s barbs with poise and grace stand out — and he has to be more of what he’s been. It won’t help him to turn into Hilary-lite — the kitchen-sink strategy might work for her (barely) but it would never work for him.

    But… say he figures it out. Say he uncovers how to run an aggressive, smart, but positive campaign. What an amazing sight for this poor benighted Republic to see: Politics not as a dirty word but an uplifting endeavor. What then would be beyond our reach?

  • I saw David Axelrod, Obama’s campaign manager, on cable tonight and he said Clinton hasn’t been vetted which I guess is the direction Obama will go.

    Howard Wolfson said Clinton will release the returns on or around April 15th which gives the Obama campaign six weeks to speculate publicly about what she is hiding. I can hear it now:

    “Senator Clinton wants you to believe she is capable of making split second decisions in the middle of the night yet she needs six weeks to photocopy six tax returns.”

  • In TX & OH, Obama was never predicted to win. He closed the gap considerably from a few weeks ago. His lead in delegates barely changed by a margin of statistic error. In those contests, he was like Rocky in #1. Does anybody rememeber Rocky as a the loser in #1? Obama exceeded beyond all reasonable expectations.

    Overreacting to the negatives would only give them more validity in the public’s eye than they already have. Someone, not Obama, needs to ask Hillary flat out, ‘ Do you really think the country would be better off with McCain, who seems to be tied to Bush’s apronstrings, as president than Obama?’ How can she answer that without hurting herself?

  • ***Howard Wolfson said Clinton will release the returns on or around April 15th***

    Six weeks is a lot of time for “redacting” a tax return—and if it does come out then, it’ll be only to extinguish any damage caused by Obama on the issue—just enough to get her through PA on the 22nd.

    Obama needs to take about three or four days and have “the mechanics” come up with every conceivable ploy against Fortress Clinton. Release one assault at a time, one after the other, and release each subsequent issue before Praetorian Guard can put out the fire.

    These issues should be coordinated as a multi-front assault; a “head-and-horns” tactic whereby any attempt to back away from one issue causes her to step right into the next hornet’s nest. Rock her campaign far enough back on its heels so that it goes totally defensive, and keep it there for the duration—because Hillary’s brand of “democrat” is the triangulating type that threw good Dems out in the cold, to make room for Newt’s goons in ’94 ’95. It is the same breed of ideology that has continued the enabling of the Bushylvanians to this very day, and into the foreseeable future.

    One may even need to ask if an Obama presidency, and its vision for a better America, would be hampered by Clinton even remaining a viable force within the Senate—and whether the needs of the nation should once again be put on the back burner for the status quo. For the sake of the Republic itself, the time may well be drawing nigh whereby Obama has no option but to go “thermonuclear”—and bomb “The Bombastic Triangulator” into the mists of infinity….

  • I was watching Bush endorse McCain and noticed that McCain is still Bush-whipped. And Bush is one obnoxious bastard.

  • Obama needs to continue making pissy remarks about how Clinton is a negative campaigner. He should use sarcasm and mock her ads. He should be as condescending as possible when discussing her, referring to her periodic moods and her emotionality. He should be dismissive of anything she has accomplished and generally just treat her like a stoopid girl trying to play with the boys. He should continue to borrow from the Republican playbook and court crossover voters, since they are very loyal and will support him better in the Fall than the Democratic base would. He should also imply that Clinton is a racist and imply that every remark she makes is some coded racist appeal. He should continue to evade the press and never reply to questions about policy issues, specifics of his programs or especially his relationships with Rezko or his conversations with Canadians. He should equate himself with McCain at every opportunity, because that is how he can appear to be one of the big boys. Assuming the heir assumptive role will make it so, because Oprah told him that if you believe it will come true. It is all about bad vibes (Hillary’s) and good vibes (his), so continuing to emphasize hope will bring in both cash and votes. His path is clear.

  • It is obvious that the Republicans have had no contest in their primary. Why does anyone believe that all these Republican cross-overs will stick with Obama over McCain in the Fall?

  • Jen in post #3 makes a good point.

    “The press’ job isn’t to do just he said/she said or to find holocaust deniers to provide balance to stories about Nazis”

    Since there are probably more ‘holocaust deniers’ than there are ‘global warming deniers’ it stands to reason why Fox News and the Bush administration have been able to stay ahead of the curve for so long in making the general public believe that there is no such thing as global warming.

    Most people will readily believe that there are only a few holocaust deniers, and agree that they are morons…. but when it comes to similar morons who declare that there is no such thing as global warming, then…. thanks to the excellent republican spin machine… there is enough doubt planted, for the media to dutifully report there is still a serious debate on the issue.

    And so it goes when reporting on Democrats and Republicans…. It has to be even handed…. Report on all the wrong doing of Republicans, which is not all that hard, you’d have to dig really deep to find an equal number of democratic wrongdoing.

    Hence the shame of Hillary’s ‘cackle’ a while ago, and Obama being a muslim, Those are capital crimes, in comparison to what Republicans do. But… it’s fair and balanced, and that is what counts.

  • The Clintons no doubt have complex tax returns. You guys are expecting them to be done before April 15 when most of the nation (with uncomplicated returns) waits until the last minute? Then you suggest that there is some deep scandel being hidden because they didn’t drop everything in the midst of a campaign to do them? Get real.

    I get so tired of these trumped up criticisms. If Obama is going to be effective in his criticisms of Clinton, they need to have substance and not be these issues that most people can identify with. Most of my friends would react “It’s none of your business” if I were to ask to see their returns. I realize there may be a public right to see them, but most voters will sympathize with her reluctance, not assume there is some dark secret being hidden.

  • Amen to Mary…. I don’t see any reason why Hillary should produce her tax returns unless she becomes the nominee. If she ends up not being the nominee, it’s nobody’s business.

    No reason to give the Republican sleaze machine any information, they will invariably take out of context anyway.

  • Nuts to Mary, but Bruno’s point might have some merit if HRC showed as much caution about fracturing the party with her campaign’s own cut-throat tactics.

  • I’m black vote for me. Then I’m rich hows the streets in Chicago, oh I forgot

    USA means United States of America

    There is no Afican, Koreon, German or Japanese Americans. If you were born here your an American no /// your either american or not

  • Most of my friends would react “It’s none of your business” if I were to ask to see their returns. I realize there may be a public right to see them, but most voters will sympathize with her reluctance, not assume there is some dark secret being hidden. — Mary, @ 37

    And, when Bush says: “I’m only monitoring terrorist communications and you have to give the telecoms immunity” or “all my personnel picks are for the good of the country first and foremost”, or “all the emails got lost in the shuffle; no ill intent”…. do you also assume he has nothing to hide?

    When it comes to politicians (and lawyers), “trust but verify” is the fairest deal I’ve *ever* been able to offer anyone — and that includes my “first pick” (Edwards) and now Obama (yes; I do want to know if there’s anything to the currently swirling half-stories about Rezko and NAFTA/Canada). But, after nearly 8yrs of of Bush’s outright lies, I suspect *everything* that’s even semi-opaque and not totally transparent. So, I do want to know Hillary’s tax returns before IRS does, even if it seems unfair to her. And, if any of your friends ran for the public office — and the highest one in the land, at that — I’d want to know everything about them, too. “It’s none of your business” just doesn’t cut it. Not from the Chimperor, not from Her Royal Cuteness, not from the Xeroxed Bush McSame and not from Joe and Jane Schmoe, your friends… If you choose to swim in the public aquarium, you have to accept the rules of engagement.

  • Let’s make a deal Obama release all Rezko paper on Apr15 and Hillary releases her tax returns

  • I think Obama needs to watch last night’s Stephen Colbert Report on McCain

    McCain is been blathering about his experience and how that counts for a lot and should entitle him to be the President

    Unless of course when you show him the inconvenient voting record… then the answer is: “That’s history” (In response to Obama’s statement that if it wasn’t for Bush and McCain going to war with Iraq, there wouldn’t be Al Qaida in Iraq)

    When McCain is asked about other inconvenient things, then the answer could be either:

    That’s old news…. or We are here now or let’s not dwell on the past….

    In other words, his voting record can not be questioned when it is not convenient. Other than that he has a lot of experience.

  • I don’t know what Universe Obama’s supporters live in. They have copied the media’s shallow insults of Clinton for three months, done name calling, spit venom non stop, and thrown mud like the Mississippi delta on meth. They have brought republican smear tactics into the party from day one. Now Clinton points to his weak foriegn policy statements, and she’s Carl Rove?
    They think he’s Mr. Agent of Change, despite the mountains of change the Clintons have already made; despite his ultra cautious voting record, non performance in the Senate, co-opting sixteen year old Clinton policies of healthcare reform and reaching across the aisle, meanwhile promising campaign finance reform to the young and inexperienced, which is as probable as Nader’s proportional representation. Rhetoric and pretty words are fun. But anyone can recite a left wing wish list, and if they’re not backed up by accomplishment, they’re nothing. The Clintons don’t take orders from ideologues. They judge each issue on merit and circumstances; and they created the most brilliant legislative agenda in our lifetime.

  • I believe there are 2 additional issues to raise concerning Hillary’s experience.
    The 1st is that she touts her experience on national security issues during her years as First Lady yet she didn’t have a security clearance. What is important to remember is that the Executive, namely the President, i.e. Bill Clinton, has sole authority over what is classified and who gets a security clearance. Why did then President Clinton decide that his wife should not get a clearance? Was she actually involved in any White House meetings and if so can those meetings/deliberations be documented? We will need the up-to-now secret transcripts and papers from the Clinton White House released.
    The 2nd issue is that Hillary is a fighter and will fight for us as President. However, when the health care reform failed she packed up and quit. She didn’t even fight for incremental change in the system, even something as simple as fighting for better vaccinations or child obesity or any women’s issue such as universal breast cancer
    screening etc. She quit with nothing rather than at least some small change and a chance at gaining momentum on better and more affordable health care. That’s not a fighter.

  • To Ed

    Hillary didn’t have clearance because if Bill would have given her any, the Republicans would have gone even more ape shit then they actually were at the time.

    In regards to the White House papers being released…. Thanks George Bush for that one. It was one of his first acts as President; to make sure that White House papers stay out of the public eye for much longer.

  • The Clintons no doubt have complex tax returns. You guys are expecting them to be done before April 15 when most of the nation (with uncomplicated returns) waits until the last minute? Then you suggest that there is some deep scandel being hidden because they didn’t drop everything in the midst of a campaign to do them? Get real.

    She has committed to releasing all tax returns since Bill left office (and she’s been in the Senate.) The April 15 argument doesn’t hold water for returns for years 2001-2006. Does it seems odd to anyone else that Hillary wants to wait until the GE to release her tax records? Shouldn’t Democrats have a chance to take a look at her finances before we decide if she will be the nominee?

    I would like to point out that Obama only lost about 8-10 delegates after yesterdays voting. Next Tuesday (3/11) they vote in Mississippi for 40 delegates. Obama will probably win by a large enough margin (60/40) to more than make up that difference.

    In case you haven’t heard, the NAFTA thing has been debunked. TPM’s got the info and it was the Clinton campaign that called the Canadians to say they really weren’t against NAFTA. Sad. Just bald face liars.

  • I think it is very odd that when Obama is not “performing” one of his speeches, when he is just answering the press he does not seem to find the words to express himself. Another habit of Obama that I feel very irritated about is that he gives a compliment then says BUT, blah, blah, blan.. I counted the “buts” in his speeches lately and they are almost in every sentence. But is a cheap word. He says it matter of factly, then attacks. He is a smooth operator.

  • So much spin that i’m getting dizzy…

    Perhaps it is time to separate the support for a particular candidate from support for the Democratic Party and its chances to not only win the WH but also make the necessary, significant gains in Congress.

    Now, i don’t expect that to actually happen, because the diehard supporters on both sides will just spin why their candidate is the one.

    And honest assessment of that situation would probably give the edge to Sen Obama. His ability to attract youth, left-leaning independents, and even a few moderate Republicans is important…unless continuing the culture wars started in the 60’s is what we really want to do with our future.

    There’s a difference between tactics and strategy. The Clintons have always been practitioners of the former rather than the latter. It shows in the behavior of the party under their leadership; it showed in just about everything the Clinton administration did; and it shows in the recent, negative attacks on a fellow party member. The longer this drags on, the greater the likelihood that the Sen Obama will shift to tactics as well. I won’t bother to enumerate the very long list of wars lost because of commanders focusing on tactics at the expensive of strategy.

  • Obama is finally asking Clinton some questions–here’s a few more he should ask:

    Your husband made controversial pardons at the end of his term. Did you have anything to do with those pardons–especially Marc Rich and the Hasidim in upstate New York? If so, will you release any documents, etc. on them? If not, do you denounce and reject those pardons?

    You and your husband have refused to release the donor list from his Presidential library, leading many to think that payoffs for political favors, including the pardons, were funneled through the Library. Will you release those records, and will you pledge that, if elected, your Library’s books will be open and transparent? and

    Will you finally release your White House papers that the Clinton Library has refused to release?

    Fair questions, I think– all of which relate to her supposed governmental experience and honesty

  • I agree with Lex @50 on strategy & tactics for the party.
    Nonetheless we have a primary battle in progress. I don’t think Obama needs to get “into the gutter”. And I don’t think the potential upside vs. downside analysis of going after things that are currently “secret” is good. (Specifically the Tax return thing and the other non-disclosures … hunting for skeletons backfires when you come up empty).
    All Obama has to do is emphasize the stregths of his campaign and its message, as contrasted with already established facts about HRC’s record. He needs to stay on (his) message. Over time the HRC candidacy will look more and more anemic in comparison. There are reasons he’s still ahead in the contest.

  • Obama doesn’t have to go too negative to make the point ; the key should be tying Clinton’s record to the Clinton years’ failures in the following way :

    * When she talks about her experience, she has experience : 8 years in the White House as a key and influential advisor to the President
    * These were years of great service indeed, no one disputes that but also years of distraction and lost opportunity.
    * You can look at everything from the first few months in office [don’t ask don’t tell] to the last minutes leaving the White House [where’s the furniture and Pardongate] where there weren’t questions raise about misplaced priorities, missed opportunities and plain bone headed poor judgment [unsaid Lewinsky] – whether from the candidate or the person she was advising most.
    * These were the years of great opportunities and much achieved but can she say that she achieved her best ? That her record proves the judgment and ability to get things done when so much wasn’t
    * American doesn’t need more years of an era of lost opportunities – we can’t afford it
    * Regardless of what may have been done positively we can’t be risking the future on that record of judgment and it’s time to turn the page

    ‘Nuff said as they say in the Spiderman comics

  • Hillary experience with the read phone when Bill received a call and she had to get out of the room because she did not have security clearance.
    Hillary cried to get the pity of females and other voters to show a soft side.
    Hillary show 4 different types of personalities. In one of her speaches she mention making history for women and played upon the sympathy of women. What has Hillary tried to changed concerning women. Nothing except destroying the women that Bill had sex with. Do we need a President with 4 different personalities, one when other Nation will talk about us she will cry. Oboma need to put his accomplishments with hers. She want to Insure every one Legal citizens or illegal people. Where will be get the money from. If her and Bill Clinton stay together she will side with him because he her husband as she did when NAFTA came up even though she said she was against it.

    The large voters turnout can be credited by one person and that is Oboma. If he do not get the nomination and Hillary continue to tear this party apart. I guarantee we will have a Republican President again.

    She need to quit the dirty things because Texas and Ohio will be her last win. If Oboma do not call her out I don’t know what will happen to the Democratic.

    Change is what we want and change is what we need. She has stolen John Edward and Oboma words. Even her crowd was chanting Oboma chant. Yes we can.

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